On Jan 25, 2010, at 1:40 AM, Keith M wrote:
But there's just something about Apple that I just
can't stand.
I'm not sure if it's the elitist attitude, or the prices, or the
forced-lock-ins.
What lock-ins would those be, specifically? My main desktop
machine is (right now) a Mac, because it is (right now) the best
way to get a very fast UNIX machine on a desktop. I suffer no
lock-ins of any kind.
Hi Dave,
SO you admit the elitist attitude and price part? :)
Elitist attitude: I prefer to refer to it as "having standards".
It's the same thing that causes me to avoid eating at McDonald's and
shopping at Wal*Mart.
But I have something to back it up. I've owned my primary desktop
machine for four years; I bought it used for $1K. In that time, it
has never crashed, never gotten a virus, and never had a hardware
failure. I am what most people would call an "uber power user"...At
any one time I've got probably fifty shell windows open, and maybe
twenty browser windows with upwards of a hundred tabs each, and
probably half a dozen PDF files, running across eight virtual
screens. Add to that a mail program, and probably half a dozen other
things. Oh, and at least two simh simulators, and three instances of
Hercules.
I work at home. I use this machine all day, every day, not just
"a few hours after dinner to surf porn and eBay" like most
people...but I use it ALL DAY, part of the time for work stuff, part
for personal, but on any average day I'm pounding the crap out of
this machine for probably fifteen hours.
It has never crashed. Never had a virus. Never had a hardware
failure. Never rebooted unless it was intentional. I've never
replaced anything due to breakage or wearing out except a keyboard,
and only because I wanted one. And oh by the way, that wasn't an
Apple keyboard. (though my new one is)
As for pricing, you get what you pay for...but do you really think
$1000 for a machine of this level of reliability and longevity, over
that many years, is bad economics?
For as long as I've been on the internet, you
think I would have
learned by now to avoid posting flame-bait like that.
Probably. ;) But I'd not dismiss it as such. I'll simply explain
my point and move on. You're laboring under some false assumptions,
which I will clarify.
There are tons of ipod/itunes and iphone issues abound
(see ongoing
Sherman Antitrust Act lawsuits, like slattery vs apple. This suit
has been renamed, and I'm too lazy to find it). If you've ever own
an ipod, you know exactly what the problem is. You must use itunes
to manage your ipod, and it only manages your ipod. Want to just
load mp3s onto your ipod without itunes? You can't do it (w/o
running 3rd party unsupported software that risks damaging the
stability of your ipod). Every other mp3 player sold(OK, I'm
probably pushing my luck here) supports simply copying the .mp3s
directly onto the player. Proprietary .AAC extensions, DRM issues,
problems w/ corrupted ipods and getting music that you paid for off
it. Moving/switching/upgrading ipods. Apple charging for removing
drm, etc.
I don't own an iPod or an iPhone. It's trivial to put mp3 files
on an iPod, though; I've done that lots of times. The suitly DRM
garbage is easy to avoid. I've never been bitten by it, and never
will be. You don't have to be either.
I was mainly talking about the hardware<---->OS
locks. According
to the license agreement for OSX, you must install OSX on Apple
Hardware.
No problem there...not that I pay much attention to licenses.
If your apple hardware breaks, you have to buy more,
expensive,
apple hardware to replace it. You are forced to buy their hardware
to upgrade.
Well, it rarely breaks in the first place, but since you mentioned
it...Stuff is cheap and available. Neither my video card, my DIMMs,
my GigE interface, my FibreChannel controller, nor my hard drives say
Apple anywhere on them.
Completely different situation with Windows, Linux,
and so on. You
can use any available (compatible) hardware, and if my dell breaks,
...which it will... (sorry)
I buy a new Dell, Gateway, Sony, etc etc etc.
...and if my G5 breaks, which it hasn't (and remember, it was a
few years old when I bought it!) I can just pick up some parts via
eBay. Problem solved.
I don't know about video cards, etc, but the pure
number of
hardware options available for Windows/Linux users simply kills any
mac offering.
Really? How many different video cards do you have in your
computer right now? Mine works great, I have no complaints and I'm
missing no functionality. There's probably a newer one out there,
but do I care? Not particularly.
I will admit, though, that I do enjoy the hardware flexibility
that exists in the Linux world. I set up lots of Linux machines for
people who finally figure out the Windows scam and jump ship. I
don't push them toward Macs because everyone around here (southwest
Florida) is broke, and I can give them Linux machines for free. I
drive around on trash day and pick up PCs that are too slow to run
Windows (typically 1GHz-2GHz machines) or have bad power supplies
(lots of lightning down here), etc, and load them up with Linux for
people. I like the hardware flexibility there, because I can
scrounge anything out of the junk box and it'll work.
But for my machines? I depend on them for my livelihood. I want
the best of everything, and I don't like to settle for less.
Isn't simply having much more choice about what
hardware to use
better than being given a smaller group to choose from?
http://www.pcworld.com/article/181200/
bad_apple_five_classic_apple_marketing_tactics_that_lock_you_in.html
Has this stuff changed recently?
I have no idea (haven't read the article), I generally don't
listen to what the media wants to tell me, I just use my computers.
I have no doubt that Apple employs a bunch of sleazy suits who
will do whatever they can to make money, no matter how dishonest, and
those suits need to be beaten to within an inch of their lives. But
that doesn't change the fact that:
This computer has been in daily, VERY hard use at about 15hrs/day
seven days per week and has never crashed, never had a virus, never
had a hardware failure...never so much as burped. Ever.
This isn't "religion", nor is it a "flame"...It's a fact.
I
looked at the stuff that was available, and made my decision. And
I'm not "an Apple guy": I use a Mac because, right now, it's the best
way to get a very fast, very reliable graphical UNIX machine on the
desktop. The moment that changes, I will move to a different
platform. If the PC world or Microsoft had anything better to offer,
I'd use it. The moment Microsoft comes out with a good, fast, solid,
standards-based desktop UNIX implementation, I'll use it!
-Dave
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Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL