Rochester and Schenectady are metropolises compared to where I am. The
closest urban "city" (pop 8000) is 60km away. The bustling metropolis of
Winnipeg, about 300km. Now that's what I call "remote". :^)
 But I do have neighbors giving me pieces of deer, moose, and elk, as well
as game fowl and fish. Oh well, it's a trade-off.
Lawrence
   While this is
true in urban centers, it certainly
 isn't for those of us that live in the boonies.   
 One good thing about boonies.
 They have less agressive companies that hang on
 to older computers longer and thus release them into
 the world later.  I speak of the small remote cities like
 Rochester and Schenectady.
 John A.
  
 
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