14 Jul
2000
14 Jul
'00
12:44 a.m.
From what I've been reading in the last couple of
months it was neither -
both Steve Jobs and Gates toured Xerox PARC in the late 70s; Lisa at this
point was already in development but needed a front end so the Lisa team
took some of the ideas from Smalltalk running on the Xerox STAR and
improved
on them to develop the QuickDraw primitives found in
Lisa. Gates
apparently
got more ideas from when Microsoft were at Apple while
Apple were helping
them develop software for the Mac that was being worked on at the same
time.
I have it on good authority that Smalltalk-80 was not ported to the Star.
It was running on the Alto and the Dolphin at the time, as well as another
Xerox workstation whose name I can't recall. Larry Teslar was working at
PARC at the time, and ended up following Jobs back to Apple, because
Xerox couldn't get their asses in gear and Apple looked like it knew
what it was doing (w/r/t getting new technology out the door).
For those interested in what Smalltalk-80 feels like to play with, you
should try Squeak, a successor developed by some of Smalltalk-80's
authors, Alan Kay and Dan Ingalls, at Disney. Squeak is everything
ST80 was and more.
You can find info about Squeak at: http://www.create.ucsb.edu/squeak/
2 of the main developers of the Mac platform were
Bruce Horn
and Jef Raskin, their side of things can be found here:
Bruce Horn also "did time" at PARC, working on Smalltalk-80.
-doug q
http://www.apple-history.com/quickgallery.html?where=lisa.html
Follow the link at the bottom of the screen. Makes for
interesting reading
IMO!
-----Original Message-----
From: David Vohs [mailto:netsurfer_x1@hotmail.com]
Sent: 08 July 2000 21:37
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Another tech legend for discussion!
I have another tech legend to be dicussed:
It is generally believed that the Apple Lisa is what spurred
Bill Gates to
create Windows. But recently I have read something that says
it was *not*
the Lisa that inspired Bill Gates, but that it was
VisiCorp's VisiOn
software (remember that, yeah, me neither!). So
my question
is: Which one
was it? Was it Lisa or VisiOn?
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