> > promote the interests of the
Microsoft-haters, however right
 > > or wrong they may 
  > FWIW, I believe they're right.  I count
myself among the "microsoft
 > haters," and have no (absolutely none...) microsoft products, paid for
 > or otherwise on any computer in my home. 
  I count myself among the Microsoft-haters.  I think I
qualify as a system
 programmer, considering I can bootstrap an S/390 from the console machine
 from memory in binary (or almost, it's been a few months) and bring it up
 to a level where I can run channel programs. 
Still not very far, but who cares, one could write usfull multi user
apps at that level in just a few K's
Gruss
H.
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