27 Jan
2013
27 Jan
'13
6:16 p.m.
The e-mail below is a perfect example of why I do not like bottom posting
I had to scroll through Liam's original e-mail then Dave's complete response to
get to Liam's response to that response.?
This is?annoying. If you want to bottom post then trim please.?
So this is why I no longer support bottom posts..
?
----- Original Message -----
From: Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com>
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Cc:
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: Top Posting, was Re: What was that
On 26 January 2013 02:16, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 01/25/2013 09:02 PM, Liam Proven wrote:
...
I am mystified. Who said anything about POP3? I am not talking about
POP3. I don't know anyone who is.
I am talking about email providers and UIs.
I do not have "a computer". I have 3 main home computers, several
"work" computers, a smartphone - usually just 1 at a time - and I also
use other devices. On about 25-33% of the machines I use, I have no
privileges to install software. One the ones I own, I do, but I run
multiple OSs and change regularly, so local apps with local state are
a nuisance, to be avoided if possible.
My Gmail inbox has 124 folders in it alongside the standard ones like
"Bin" and "Spam". I have more rules than folders to sort my incoming
mail.
How could I reproduce that sort of setup with local apps?
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? Wow.
? I do not follow that logic AT ALL.
? But that's ok.
I think he is absolutely right and I have done the same.
I have tried all the leading webmail systems and have been doing so
since Hotmail launched in, what, 1996 or so?
I use webmail with an IMAP server that polls my 4 or 5 various POP3
accounts and collects all mail in a single inbox for spam-filtering
followed by application of my sorting rules. I then access this via a
web page, a mobile web page, a specific client app, or an ordinary
email MUA, as is most appropriate for the platform I am using at that
time. I access or have accessed my mail from the following platforms
on a regular basis:
Symbian
Android
iOS
Mac OS X
Windows XP
Windows Vista
Windows 7
Linux, various distros
I use half a dozen of that list virtually on a daily basis, some
online, some offline.
Can you suggest any /other/ way of accessing a filtered, sorted,
single global email inbox /other than/ using webmail? If you can come up with /any/ credible
alternative, I'd be interested.
? Yes.? Using [drum roll please] A MAIL PROGRAM.? Actually several of
them.? I do it all the time.? All day, every day.? All day long, two
laptops, a desktop, an iPhone, and an Android tablet are connected to my
IMAP server.? Filtered, sorted, single global email inbox.? Are you
honestly suggesting that either:
? 1) I don't actually do this,
? 2) This is not "credible",
? or
? 3) A web browser is somehow BETTER at being a mail program than a mail
program?
? Further, I have an instance of SquirrelMail running here that also
hits the same IMAP account, just in case something *terrible* happens
and I'm somehow without any of those devices.
? I run Thunderbird on the desktop and laptops, and the default mail
client on the iPhone and the Android tablet.? The software on any of
them could be replaced at any time with anything else that speaks IMAP,
and it works great.? That is, after all, why IMAP exists. (RIP MRC)
? POP3 needs to die.? It has needed to die for fifteen years.? In more
than two decades of running mail servers, for all but the first five
years or so of that I've not seen a single GOOD reason for POP3 to
continue to be used, other than stubbornness, laziness, or
cluelessnesss.? I have managed mail services for TENS OF THOUSANDS OF
PEOPLE and have not seen a single credible case for the use of POP3 past
about 1995.
? Note that I'm not accusing YOU personally of any of those things
specifically, because I (for the life of me!) don't know WHY you
continue to use POP3.
? But hey, have fun. ;)? I have no patience for shoddy solutions.? If
webmail works for you, more power to you.? If POP3 works for you, great.
? I could never in a million years suffer through that garbage.