On 01/24/2012 03:43 PM, Tony Duell wrote:
   The
advantage of the signature analyzer (SA) was you can deal with
 circuits that have feedback loops more easilyand without the need to
 fully understand the operation of the circuit. For example servicing 
 And that is precisely why I don't like it. I feel you can only reapri
 something -- and know you've repaired it -- if you understnaf how it
 should work, know what it's acutally doing, and then figutre out what
 could cause the behaviour you're obseerving.
 Signature analysis doesn't seem to help with this. 
 
    I agree 100%.  Last night I repaired an HP 5340A frequency counter
 and a Tek 7834 oscilloscope frame. (both glorious instruments)  I had to
 trace through a fair amount of circuitry in both cases, and I learned a
 lot about both designs. 
I can understand that. I've also learnt a lot from jhaving to understand
devices in order to repair them.
    In the "credit where credit is due" department, I had a kind assist
 on the 5340A from Dan Roganti who was here at the time.  He kept telling
 me to look at the Range switch, and I kept saying it couldn't possibly
 be that switch contact making partial connection when it shouldn't have 
Again I know what you maean. I've had my fair share of 'impossible'
faults over the years.
     In the case of the 3456A, though, it's an
instrument from a working
 lab run by a friend of mine, and he lacks the budget to have it
 repaired, and I just want to get it working as quickly as possible to
 help my friend, by any method necessary.  The alternative would be to
 loan him my beloved 3458A, but that beautiful instrument isn't leaving
 my sight! ;) 
:-)
I susepct (never having tried it) that singature analysis (to a rpeairer)
is like a monostable (to a digital hardware designer) or a goto (to a
programmer). All are useful (and my be the nbest solution) if used
intellegently, all are capable of making a right mess of things if you
don;t think about what you are doing.
I know from your postings that you'd use one sensibly, I hope I would
too. Cerainly if I saw an HP signature analyser at a low price I'd buy it
(I sort-of collect odd/interesting instruments), but I doubt it'd replace
a logic analyser as my faultfinding instrument of choice...
-tony