David, or anyone who's going to drop by David's place... I'd pay for
packing/shipping for any of the Heathkit or Vector equipment that others
don't want to keep.
Kai
> ----------
> From: David Betz
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 1997 7:40 AM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Machines on the way to the dump...
>
> I'm taking the following machines to the dump on Saturday. If anyone
> is
> within striking distance of Bedford, NH and wants any of these
> machines
> please let me know.
>
> TI-99/4a (doesn't work)
> A few TI cartridges and books
> Heathkit H-11 (works)
> Heathkit dual 8" disk drive unit (doesn't work)
> Vector V3-5036 S-100 system (works)
> Vector dual 5.25" disk drive unit (untested)
> VT-100 clone
>
> --
> David Betz
> dbetz(a)xlisper.mv.com
> DavidBetz(a)aol.com
> (603) 472-2389
>
>From: "e.tedeschi" <e.tedeschi(a)ndirect.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: Why?
>Well, to get more specific, I have the (perhaps wrong) feeling that:
> a) You are against collectors who collect for the historical importance
> onyl and are not really worried if the item works or not (as long as all
> the parts are in there and the thing can be made to work if and when
> required). I have been ridiculized when I suggested this one way to go
> about collecting.
I have never felt that here, and I have several items in my collection
in non-working order. Would I give up my P-500, MTU VMM board, or
SuperPET if I never got them fixed? NO! I would hope to get them fixed
but the important thing now is to get them, mainly because it is part of
the 'collection' if they work, wonderful, if they don't they still has
meaning.
> b) You are against collectors who want ot take out bits and pieces from
> the systems in order to show them separately (but retaining and perhaps
> even ehibiting the "crippled" item). I have been refused help in thsi
> respect when it became apparent I was going to do this.
I think that may be personal views by individual collectors and not by
the group in whole. Some feel that not having 'original parts' or
add-ons is blasphmey. I can understand and appreciate where you come
from, there are compnents of computers that are shear art as the disk
controller in the apple II (from what I read the board was drawn 'not
designed by computer' by Steve Wozniac.) I would be interested to learn
more about it. There have been chips that have amazed me too. Everyone
has their own intrest. The only reason you are perceiving otherwise is
that those people are the ones that are posting more, from years of
running an BBS as well as participating on the group, the more you post
messages the more attention and notoriety you will receive. If you want
to see something written about an interest of yours, sometimes you just
have to sit down and write it yourself.
> c) You are against helping "foreigners" (and therefore "different")
> collectors to export "your" stuff perhaps in the wrong perception that
> it will diminish the heritage of the country (yours). I have striken a
> deal with one of the subscriber here and he disappeared in the distance
> after a while (he did not answer anymore...) By the way does anybody
> need British stuff? I would be glad to help you with it.
I reply to what I know (some times I also replay to what I don't know
and put my foot in the mouth in the process). If you see anyone post
about Commodores or PETs more specifically, you can be sure within a day
or so a response from me will follow (unless it is something I am
totally in the dark about). Case in point, Exidy Sorceror, I purchased
one and sent it to Sam Ismael, he is now looking for information, not
very many people ever seen one, much less an ad for one, sometimes the
best we can do is quiote from old magazine ads. :/ Also some of the
sytems are regional and there may not be many people from that area who
have seen that particular machine on this list...
> Of course I have no proof of the above but from the short experience I
> had here, I think that the problem exhists as opposed to the "openess"
> of other American collecting groups like, for example, the radio
> collecting community which has been VERY helpful with me and other
> "foreigners" to buy and export stuff from the USA and CANADA (what about
> the stuff you ARE importing from overseas then?).
I have sent fellow users disks and cartridges through the mail to
Europe, anything larger I could not afford the shipping. This depends
on the individual. Sam was lucky to get me to shop the Sorcer as quick
as I did, I myself lothe shipping things, especially heavy/bulky
things. I think that again depends on the individual.
> I think that if you think I am wrong the best way to demonstrate it, if
> you care, is not with words but with facts.
> Thank you for your interest
> enrico
You are very welcome and hope you keep with the list and help us all to
work out this misunderstanding.
Larry Anderson
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Scott Ware <s-ware(a)nwu.edu> writes:
> The main unit is a single piece about the size of a Processor Technology
> Sol.
I believe this may be a Big Clue. Isn't the Expander one of the
things that Lee Felsenstein designed between Processor Technology and
Osborne? I also seem to remember that it was primarily marketed in
Europe.
Good catch!
-Frank McConnell
> > Currently no one knows (or is saying they know) how to encrypt 7800
> > carts.
> >
>
> Actually, I seem to recall that a guy in rec.games.video.classic has
> figured it out, but there hasn't been any practical application of it
> yet. But I haven't read r.g.v.c in a LONG time, so things may have
> changed...
>
> I wish I could remember his name... he was one of the big cheese
> techie
> types in the newsgroup that was always hacking up weird stuff, so I
> don't
> doubt that he did it.
> -------
>
> My good friend, Bruce Tomlin, was the person who did that.
>
> -Mp
Browsing a local thrift, I found a box containing a "Matchpoint" card.
Apparently it's a PC card which allows you to read Apple disks, via an ISA
card and some software. Has anyone ever used one? Is it worth finding a
5 1/4" drive for my PeeCee?
Also, does anybody have a spare Apple 25-pin-to-19-pin drive cable? (Or
are all those pins supposed to be broken?)
Thanks,
--
Ben Coakley CBEL: Xavier OH bcoakley(a)teleport.com
http://www.math.grin.edu/~coakley
My PET 2001-8 is a 240V version and has serial number 1008669.
There is also a hand texta number on the board itself 38658
----------
> From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Pet Serial Numbers
> Date: Wednesday, July 09, 1997 9:53 AM
>
> Just curious if anyone knows what the starting serial number was for the
> Commodore Pets? So far, the following are the earliest Pets I have. I
> believe these both came from the local university at one of their sales.
>
> Description Model Serial #
> Commodore Pet Pet 2001-8 0035117
> Commodore Pet Pet 2001-8 0037625
This is the last call. On Friday I will be forwarding the final count to
Mike. For the benefit of those who haven't seen this yet (and for those
asking for more information) here is a casual spec of the Panasonic
HandHeld Computers that we are about to get a bunch of:
This computer came out around 1984. It was a handheld unit which featured:
6502 processor
8K RAM (the "top-of-the-line" model)
3 slots for 8K program EPROM on-board
Custom built tray to hold 10 additional 8K EPROMS
Tray also housed both computer and printer to make one compact unit
Printer is 40-column thermal (paper can still be found allegedly)
Full "QWERTY" keyboard
FORTH-like language in ROM called "SNAP"
Measures 9" x 3.5"
Some manuals available
Bunch of MCM 68674 8K EPROMs with programs on them
AC Adaptor
Now on to the original message. Instructions follow for reserving one,
two or many for yourself. Read on.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 10:52:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl4.crl.com>
To: Classic Computer Discussion <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: Panasonic Handhelds
PANASONIC HANDHELD UPDATE:
This is the latest message from Mike who has the hundreds of Panasonic
HandHeld computers. In case its not obvious what's going on, I put in an
offer of $10 each for 50, $9 each for 100, $8 each for 150, etc. I don't
have $2000 lying around with which to buy them all up. I have a plan,
but first read what Mike had to say:
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 10:39:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mikeooo1(a)aol.com
To: dastar(a)crl.com
Subject: Re: EPROM Burners re: Classic Computers
Dear Sam,
I believe the total number of HHC's available will be about 400.Based on
your offer I assume that for 150 of the units you would be willing to pay at
the rate of $10 for the first 50,$9 for the next 50, $8 for the next 50 and
$7 for the next 50 whcih would come to $1700 for 200 units.Would you be
interested in 300 units for $2000 even?To make the offer even sweeter I'll
throw in the memory expander trays with each unit.The cost for each tray
alone was well over $100 when they were purchased,as well as a quantity of
the MCM 68674 8K eprom chips that the programs were written on.
As always Best Regards,
Mike
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END FORWARD
So here's my plan...anyone and everyone who is interested, reply to ME
(do not reply to classiccmp! People will hate you and want to drown your
pets!) telling me how many you want. Do this soon. I will save all of
your e-mails and then at the end of say, 10 days I will tally up the
total and make Mike an offer. So again...
Reply to ME only (dastar(a)crl.com)
Tell me HOW MANY of the Panasonic HandHeld Computers you want.
Do it SOON.
You have about [2] days.
Price will be NO MORE THAN $10 EACH.
Sam
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Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass
The Canonical List of Commodore Products doesn't go into serial number
schemes... my 2001-8 is serial # 80684, no leading zeroes... could be a
different numbering scheme entirely.
Kai
> ----------
> From: Marvin[SMTP:marvin@rain.org]
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 1997 4:53 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Pet Serial Numbers
>
> Just curious if anyone knows what the starting serial number was for
> the
> Commodore Pets? So far, the following are the earliest Pets I have.
> I
> believe these both came from the local university at one of their
> sales.
>
> Description Model Serial #
> Commodore Pet Pet 2001-8 0035117
> Commodore Pet Pet 2001-8 0037625
>
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and often failed ;).
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1.1 Mailing List Basics
1.2 How to Talk to the Robot
How to set to Digest
How to Subscribe
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2. FTP
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2.1 FTP Basics
3. World Wide Web
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1.1 Mailing List Basics
A mailing list is a simple device which takes an e-mail and redistributes it
to a group of people. People can add and remove themselves from the
distribution list by Subscribing and Unsubscribing. When you send a message
to the list, it is first examined by the robot for key words that tell it
to process an automatic funtion (like help, subscribe, unsubscribe, etc).
If the message does not contain a keyword it is sent to the distribution
list.
1.2 How to Talk to the Robot
There are a few List Processor commands that you might want to use. To
send a command to the list processor, write a message to
listproc(a)u.washington.edu
(Do NOT send the message to classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu). In the body of
the message (not the subject line, that is) write one of the following
commands, then send the message.
SET CLASSICCMP MAIL ACK
Tells the robot to send you a copy of messages you
write to the list. This is the default.
SET CLASSICCMP MAIL NOACK
Tells the robot NOT to send you a copy of messages
you write to the list. I don't recommend this.
SET CLASSICCMP MAIL DIGEST
Tells the robot to send you a digest of messages
rather than each as it is posted. With this option
you will get a weekly bundle of messages and keep
a nice, tidy in-box.
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Subscribes you to the list.
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Removes you from the list.
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FTP is a protocol by which files can be transferred over the internet.
You can use FTP to connect to a remote site and retrieve files. The
commands you use with FTP depend on the software you use. In general
you must make sure that you are in BINARY mode before transferring a
program file or compressed files. The process of downloading a file
is usually termed GET and the process of uploading a file is usually
termed PUT.
Your FTP program will require an address to connect to. For the
ClassicCmp site that address is 140.142.225.27.
You then may be asked to log in (unless your program assumes an
anonymous login). When asked for a name, use anonymous. When asked
for a password enter your internet e-mail address.
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3.1 WWW Basics
The only complicated thing with the WWW is knowing what bells
and whistles your web browser supports. You don't really need to
know much other than the address for ClassicCmp. The web site is
all text which means just about any web browser from the oldest
Lynx to the newest Netscape or Microsoft browser should support it.
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At 11:30 AM 7/8/97 -0400, you wrote:
><< I have a LAPTOP 80286. Can I connect to INTERNET with it?
> Does any Winsock exist?
>there is a program out in the shareware world called nettamer which will let
>you do mail and text only web browsing. i plan to use it on my ps2 model 30
There is also a program called "Arachne" which does graphical web browsing
under DOS. (I use it when working on web pages under DOS -- far more
efficient and faster than loading windoze and using a windows editor!) I
believe it also works with some TCP/IP stack for DOS, but I've not really
looked into that.
P.S. the NetTamer home page is at <http://people.delphi.com/davidcolston/>
and there's a whole passel of DOS Browser/etc. info at
<http://www.concentric.net/~Cruzing/dosinet/dosinet.shtml>. Hope this helps!
P.P.S. you can, of course, use a shell account with pine, tin, lynx, etc.
with just about any computer that can hook up to a modem.
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