I found a guy on comp.sys.apple2 selling //gs systems. $125 + S/H for a very
clean ROM.03 version with both 51/4 and 31/2 floppy drives, an RGB monitor,
keyboard, and all cables.
Since this is my first time looking at the //gs's, how does that price
sound? He also has ROM.01 versions.
Rich Cini/WUGNET
Charter ClubWin! Member
MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
<From: Zeus334(a)aol.com
<Is there any way that CP/M is better than MS-DOS? i.e. does it provide
<anything that DOS doesn't?
CP/M is a generic but there are distinct flavors so...
First off it's not a MS product and sources can be had. For the
8080/z80 crowd there is literally a mountain of free software out there.
For the 8088/6 and 80x86 family MS managed to snuff it out before much
was developed. CPM-86 uses a different directory than MSDOS.
Now... there are CPM for PC products like CCPM, DRdos7 and OpenDOS
and they are dos replacements based off the outgrowth of CP/M-86.
Caldara is one source. They offer things dos didn't do and most are
available as sources.
Allison
> Is there any way that CP/M is better than MS-DOS? i.e. does it provide
> anything that DOS doesn't?
One thing I've always really really missed in MS-DOS is the IOBYTE. I've done
enought whacky wild things with the IOBYTE (debugging a program running on one
screen by interacting with the debugger on another, interacting with a user on
one terminal while drawing pictures on a Tek 4010, even a serial mouse-based
dorky little sketch program) that I really miss it.
But by far the absolutely most important thing CP/M does better than MS-DOS is
be hardware independent. The CP/M community isn't tied to one hardware
platform like the MS-DOS community is. Sure, there _used_ to be wild and
interesting MS-DOS machines, but you can no longer run even the most basic
software on anything that doesn't have memory mapped video in a certain
location, a pair of 8259 interrupt controllers, 8250 UARTs, a particular
keyboard controller, etc.
I'm split about whether CP/M's filesystem or MS-DOS's file system is worse.
FAT sucks big time (especially FAT12), but at least it doesn't have to go
searching through the entire directory every 16KB. Of course, given exactly
how much FAT sucks, it's usually only one day a week or so that I think CP/M's
filesystem is worse than MS-DOS's...
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
Does anybody need some old Mac Software (great for all of those
"classic" macs that don't have the memory for system >= 6). Lots of
great stuff that I just can't bring myself to toss out, but which I will
*never* use again.
If you want it badly enough to pay for shipping, plus a token $1 for my
trouble, email me.
-mark
<thompson(a)tgsoft.com>
p.s. Includes lightspeed C, kriya neon, microsoft multiplan and borland reflex
Well; on the case; it just says "Zenith"; I believe. It's a square design;
with two horizontally-located 5 1/2" bays; occupied by some kind of black
disk drive. One of the computers IS a Zenith 286; w/ 20MB HDD; 2 FDDs; etc.
and a CGA (EGA?) monitor. The others are Wangs.... not really too peachy
either; but they seem to run like 286's. Of course; at the Embassy; we've
all got our Pentiums; our Windows 95 w/ a Windows NT server.....
But the HDD is just DEAD; from what I can tell. I'd just want to
replace that; hardware-transparently if possible; but if not.... I've got
all my life.
Thanks for the advice,
Tim D. Hotze
-----Original Message-----
From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Thursday, December 11, 1997 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: Donation For School Wanted
>>malfuctioning PCs that I know of. Remember; this is for a high school;
>>for >the Department of Defence dependants; and a few others, but their
>>funding is >not... ideal. So if you could please just send a MFM HDD,
>>or; if you have
>
>I can guarentee that, the whole base in Bahrain isn't that great. I just
>happened to realize something, are these 286's "Zenith 248's"? If so they
>can be a real pain to add anything to. The DOD had ton's of these, back in
>'87 the government was getting them for about $1500 apiece. Horrible
>design, but I've got "fond" memories of them :^)
>
> Zane
>
>
>| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator |
>| healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast |
>| healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector |
>+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
>| For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
>| see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |
>| For the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. |
>| see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/museum.html |
>
>
No idea how many Australians are on this list, but I have just been offered
3 CPC6128's with colour monitors. I am thinking I could do with one (both
of the others I own have some faults) and would be willing to pick up the
others if anyone is after one. They'll cost me around $30 each, though - a
good price (they are normally around $50 because of the monitors), but not
wonderful.
Adam.
>Dunno, I attended a Navy class on these back in '91 or '92, and the bit
>that really shocked me was the CPU on a daughterboard. I'm also almost
>positive it didn't use SIMMs. It could be this design was the DOD version
>of the Z-248, or was yours upgraded with a different MB to get a more
>expandable system.
Well; we'll find out soon enough! (When I get the supplies)
>I just happened to think of another oddity about this computer, it's the
>only IBM clone I can remember using that had a Boot ROM that you could drop
>into. I think CNTRL-ALT-INS drops you into it, but I'm not sure. I seem
>to remember finding it by accident originally.
I'll try that the next time I see one.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------|
Tim D. Hotze | "I'm Sure that God intended for me to be |
Techie | rich, it just hasn't happened yet."
|
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------|
