< He's got to be thinking of the HP 9800 series. I'm not sure when the
I gotta get that sex change. It happens it's MS Allison and I don't have
the problem of the wife objecting. Anyhow 9800 series it was most likely
as when I'd seen it it was not new and I was doing 8008 design when that
part was $180 each!
Allison
OK, I've powered on both of the systems with the PDP-11/73 processor boards
in it. I now know that they are apparently "SMS 1000" machines, but I've
been able to find nothing on it on the net, except for a web page that has
a picture of one in a 'tower' case
http://staff.motiv.co.uk/~kevan/collection/manufacturer-sms/1000.html
Mine is in a rack mount case though.
It has 5 buttons and a small alphanumeric LED display that gives some
system info when the system is powering up. I'm quite honestly not sure
how to proceed. I've connected a laptop running TELIX for VT100 emulation.
This gave me some trouble initially, but it started working once I added a
"Null Modem" adapter I had (trust me you don't want to see the console
cable I put together with three adapters).
The display and buttons are layed out like this.
+-----------------------------+
| DISPLAY |
+-----------------------------+
+------+------+------+------+
| MENU | < | > | * |
+--+---+---+--+---+--+---+--+
| RE | RUN | WRT |
| START | HALT | PROT |
+-------+------+------+
On the one with the 5.25" floppy I get the following when it comes up.
SMS 1000 BOOTSTRAP
256KW MEMORY 11/73 CPU
BOOTABLE DEVICES:
DEVICE DEVICE UNIT
NAME TYPE NUMBERS
DU DSA 0-15
MU TK50 0
MS TS 0
ENTER DEVICE NAME AND UNIT NUMBER: AUTO - BOOT
BOOTING FROM DEVICE 0
***THIS VOLUME DOES NOT CONTAIN A HARDWARE BOOTABLE SYSTEM ***
000034
@
On the one with the 8" I get
HELLO MIKE BOOTSTRAP
256KW MEMORY 11/73 CPU
BOOTABLE DEVICES:
DEVICE DEVICE UNIT
NAME TYPE NUMBERS
DU DSA 0-15
MU TK50 0
MS TS 0
ENTER DEVICE NAME AND UNIT NUMBER: AUTO - BOOT
BOOTING FROM DEVICE 1
BOOT-U-CI/O error
000724
@
I played around and they both appear to default to the correct device
numbers for Hard Drives. It gives me a *** DEVICE NOT IN SYSTEM *** if I
try to access MU0 or MS0. Well, MU0 is no surprise, I know it doesn't have
a TK50 in it, but I've no idea what the TS is, or how I would, or if I
could boot from floppy.
The 'C' in BOOT-U-CI/O error is actually a wierd c like character with a
little squiggely under it.
I'm assuming the first simply doesn't have an OS, and that the second has
some sort of hardware problem, most likely a dead Hard Drive. I've tried
to ensure that all the connections on both are good. I've learned that
typing in 173000G at the @ prompt will get me back to the "ENTER DEVICE
NAME AND UNIT NUMBER:" and that I can then specify a device instead of
letting it go with it's own choice.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I can do at this point? I'm
guessing not much until I can scrounge an OS from somewhere. Is it
possible to attach the RL02's from the /44 and see if I can boot off of
those? What kind of a card does it take to interface with a RL02?
Zane
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-----Original Message-----
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn(a)ricochet.net>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Monday, January 12, 1998 2:40 AM
Subject: What I did this weekend
>A busy weekend, actually.
>
>1) I took pictures of a bunch of systems:
> Amstrad PPC640
I didn't know these were available in the US. I just hauled one back
(PPC512) from France last week and I thought that I had a very original
portable (even though it got pretty heavy waiting for customs;)
Were there any other of the Amstrad marketted in the US like the CPC series?
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Francois Auradon.
Visit the SANCTUARY at http://home.att.net/~francois.auradon
"Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>I've got one in the basement... six-seven years ago, I even had it
>>fired up over DECnet, talking to Macs and Amigas over Ethernet.
>>Haven't gotten around to documenting it for my web page, though.
>
>Ah, what does it take to get it talking to Mac's and Amiga's? I'm assuming
>if this can be done for the DEC Pro 350, I can do something simular with
>the 11/73 or a VAX.
Well, it takes DECnet networking software. For a while, my company made
and sold a version of DECnet for the Amiga, a licensed port of the
Mac DECnet called TSSnet from Thursby Software <http://www.thursby.com/>.
I don't even have a copy any more, and I've long forgotten how to
use it. You might be able to find a used copy. Don't even bother
to ask Thursby for an Amiga version.
- John
Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>
At 04:43 PM 1/11/98 -0600, you wrote:
>On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Zane H. Healy wrote:
>
>> >> first portable computer
>> >
>> >Again, same problem. Define "portable". Allison carted, what was it, a
>>
>> Well, if you believe the Smithsonian's "Museum of American History" and I
>> believe DEC's advertising this goes to one of the PDP's, I don't remember
>> which one. I don't think it was a -8 or -11, and it's been over four years
>> since I was last to the museum so my memory isn't the best. They showed
>> the computer being in the back of a convertible IIRC, and actually had the
>> computer there at the musuem. Big sucker.
>
>Wasn't there a DEC ad showing a PDP-8 fitting in the trunk (boot, or is
>that a hood or bonnet?) of a VW bug? Would that qualify it as portable?
Don't know about that one, but the PDP-8/i was available in a (rarely seen)
'pedistal' configuration that would have been fairly easy to move around,
and the PDP-8/e/f/m came in a 'desktop' configuration that even had handles
on the side. (the 'major' qualification for something to be considered
'portable'). At about 90 pounds for the complete (core, no disks)
configuration, it could be moved with minimal pain by two people...
-jim
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<Close, the Altair 8800 was introduced as the cover project in the Januar
<1975 issue of Popular Electroncs.
Back in those days the January 1975 issues was recieved by mid december at
the latest. I know as the cover of my issue has the last of MITS numbers
and a $1300 total and a mailing date in december 1974.
Also the machine on the cover bore only a resemblance to the production
machine as it was a proto.
ALlison
Can anyone help this guy? Please respond directly to him.
Thanks,
--pec
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:12:00 +0100
From: Haering Martin <MARTIN.HAERING(a)hl.siemens.de>
To: Paul E Coad <pcoad(a)wco.com>
Subject: AW: Re: MCS-85 manual wanted
Hello Paul,
thank you very much for your quick respose.
You're right, I'm german and I can see the problem with shipping. But I
think we would find a solution there.
But let me first tell you that my problem has changed now. I looked for
the MCS-85 manual on my loft and - under a thick layer dust - i found it
there. But instantly my next problem arised: I'm looking now for the
SDK-85 manual. Even though the System Development Kit is described in
the MCS-85 book, I need more detailed information to operate my old SDK
board.
Can you help me with this matter, too. I can see on several web pages,
that some of your universities still use the MCS-85 and ask for the SDK
manual for the lessons, but I can't get the manual itself over the net
or any source to buy it.
Now my question is: Do you have the SDK-85 manual for sale yourself or
can you tell me a source or seller to get it?
Thank you for your support in advance
Martin
----------
A busy weekend, actually.
1) I took pictures of a bunch of systems:
Atari Portfolio
Radio Shack Model 100
Epson HX-20
NEC PC-8401a
GRiD GRiDCase 3
NEC PC-8201A
Apple Mac Portable
Hewlett-Packard LS/12
Data General DG One
Altima 2
IBM PC Radio
Amstrad PPC640
Osborne 01
Compaq Portable 386
GRiD GRiDPad 1910
Hewlett-Packard 75D
Amstrad PenPad PDA600
Panasonic Sr. Partner
2) Got them developed
3) bought a Land Rover (actually, 2)
4) wrote a system to automatically generate web pages for each of my
computers based on simple data files. It uses 4 data files: Text,
Resources, misc. Data, and Image list. There are a handful of template
files used to build the actual web page. So all I have to do is come up
with some text about the computer and lists of related links, images and
specs to generate the web page.
So, expect me to be asking about some of my systems in the near future.
And, if anyone is interested in using this program, let me know. It's
written in QBasic for DOS (Is that 10 years old?) but could probably be
ported to just about anything. (In fact, I'll bet Perl or Cobol would be
even better for some things.)
You can see a sample of the layout it generates at
<http://www.sinasohn.com/clascomp/m100.htm>. Note, the pics aren't there.
I'd love to get any feedback anyone cares to offer.
Thanks!
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
Talk about coincidence, after this thread popped up, and me never having
laid eyes on a C-64c, I found one in a local thrift shop. Bought the whole
thing, included a 1541 floppy, all cables, a whole box of software, and a
Magnovox RGB color monitor, which I now have hooked up to my Atari Jag. I
never noticed before how much sharper those RGB monitors are compared to TVs.
Well, I plan on playing with the C-64c for a while, but when I tire of it,
I'll be selling it, sans monitor. Anyone be interested?
At 09:02 PM 1/8/98 -0600, you wrote:
>I see them from time to time here in the TwinCities. I do not buy them
>anymore, I have 6. They have shape like the C128 and the same color and
>run all the old cartridges.
-John Higginbotham-
-limbo.netpath.net-
At 04:38 PM 1/11/98 -0600, you wrote:
>On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Joe wrote:
>
>> >> first personal computer (I think I know that one)
>>
>> I think the credit on this one has to go to the IBM 5100 again. It was
>> released in 1975.
>
>Is it not true, then, that Ed Roberts coined the term 'personal computer'
>to describe the Altair? (That's the legend I've been led to believe.)
I don't know if he did or not but the Altair wasn't announced til
January 1976 or 77 (I don't remember which but I have the magazine that it
was announced in.) The IBM 5100 was already in production in 1975.
Joe
>
>> Joe>
>
>ttfn
>srw
>
>
