Max,
I live near a consignment hardware/software store that usually has all of the things you're looking for at very reasonable prices. I've seen the Inside Mac series there for $15-$25. On occasion they have the Apple C development environment but they always have older copies of Think C (V4.0 thru V6.0) for about $15. They are willing to accept credit card phone orders and will ship to you. You can view their web site at:
http://www.intex.net/software-etc/
If you are looking for something you don't see listed on the web site I'd suggest you give them a call as the web site only seems to list a small portion of what they have.
Regards,
Bob
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From: Max Eskin[SMTP:maxeskin@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 23, 1998 6:43 PM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Mac development
I know that programming on the Macintosh is hell, but I would still
like to try it, on an old one. Does anyone know where I could get
Inside Macintosh for the Mac SE era? Also, what should I use to develop?
I don't believe they used CodeWarrior all along! Didn't Apple sell an
IDE?
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At 11:07 PM 1/21/98 -0800, you wrote:
>>I'll leave this public since it might be useful to someone...I'm 29 now
>>but when I was 16 or 17 my parents expended GREAT energy trying to get me
>Well, I AM 17, and I'm up to 30 computers or so... Let me see if I can
>remember them all, my web site is a partial listing.
One other item that was pointed out to me in the collectibles forum of
Compuserve -- teenagers who collect things rarely get into trouble. You
don't see them spending money on drugs or liquor or whathaveyou, and they
don't often end up in jail. (Yes, I'm an exception, but I wasn't actively
collecting anything in high school.)
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>I know that programming on the Macintosh is hell, but I would still
>like to try it, on an old one. Does anyone know where I could get
>Inside Macintosh for the Mac SE era? Also, what should I use to develop?
>I don't believe they used CodeWarrior all along! Didn't Apple sell an
>IDE?
My favorite is the now discontinued Think Pascal. You should be able to find
it used for under $100. Apple used to sell a compilation of tools called
'Macintosh Programmer's Workshop', but from what i understand it was never
that impressive. If you're just want to play around Chipmunk BASIC can be had
as freeware.
I saw the complete set of Inside Macintosh on CD-ROM at Border's Bookstore
for $99. I recall hearing you can download individual chapters from the books
via Apple's web site, but I can't confirm that.
Sincerely,
Tom Owad
I know that programming on the Macintosh is hell, but I would still
like to try it, on an old one. Does anyone know where I could get
Inside Macintosh for the Mac SE era? Also, what should I use to develop?
I don't believe they used CodeWarrior all along! Didn't Apple sell an
IDE?
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>I know that programming on the Macintosh is hell, but I would still
>like to try it, on an old one. Does anyone know where I could get
>Inside Macintosh for the Mac SE era? Also, what should I use to develop?
>I don't believe they used CodeWarrior all along! Didn't Apple sell an
>IDE?
As far as I know, Inside Macintosh just keeps expanding, adding new books
as new stuff comes along. For a Mac SE, just don't get the later books.
Check around at used book stores. IM is also available on CD-ROM. As for
what to use, try to dig up old software, there's Lightspeed Pascal(aka
THINK Pascal), Microsoft Basic, I think Microsoft also had something for C
on the older Macs. If you just want to go D/L something of the net, there
are a lot of shareware/freeware programs out there that run on older Macs.
You just have to look a little harder... As for Apple, I know they had
something, I just don't remember what it was.
-JR http://members.tripod.com/~jrollins/index.htmlhttp://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/1681/
Many of you may remember a small haul of Digital PDP-8/e minicomputers
that Jim Willing had sniffed out. Well, things have changed a bit...
It turns out there are _five_ systems in six racks (one processor may have
missing parts), with all sorts of extra stuff (EAE, RX02s, expansion
boxes, boatloads of core, etc.). Jim is getting one system, and I am
getting another, still another is probably spoken for, but rest are up for
grabs.
The price?
$200 gets you as much of a system as you want - CPU only, or an entire
rack. In addition, Jim and I will need some help moving the stuff (located
in Charleston, West Virginia), mostly in the money department. I may need
to drive down to get the stuff in a rental truck (we take it all, or we
take none, thus we will need a truck) next week, or, as a back up plan,
Jim will look into shipping the stuff with a freight company. To be fair,
I must warn anyone that their share of initial shipping (getting them to
one of my storage locations) may be over $50.
I can store the stuff, either in Easton, PA (#2 storage locker),
Providence, RI (RCS/RI), or perhaps the new house just above New York
City. I will be packing and shipping Jim's stuff (he does not need a rack,
he says), and could probably do the same for any other parties. PDP-8/e
CPUs weigh about 90 pounds. I have lots of experience packing 90 pound
boxes for cross country trips (90 pound HFDF receivers, not one even
scratched). I would need shipping money and perhaps something for my
efforts, but not much. In other words, I can make deracked PDP-8/es
available to just about anyone in the U.S..
Anyway, do we have any interested parties? Remember, PDP-8s are not that
common anymore, especially ones with EAE (extended arithmetic element)!
Also, would anyone want to put in some time actually helping me unload
(they will help load)? A full system might weigh 500 pounds, and I really
do not look forward to unloading them by myself!
Please let me know as soon as possible, as the clock is ticking.
William Donzelli
william(a)ans.net
>What's the best way to clean out toner fluid from laser printers(or in my
>case a photcopier)? There's toner all over the inside, and it needs a lot
>of cleaning, but I don't want to destroy it trying to clean everything.
You must be very careful! The easiest way to do this is with a soft brush
and a vacuum cleaner, but because some varieties of toner are explosive, you
have to use a vacuum cleaner with a sparkless motor. Special ones are made
and sold for this purpose but they ain't cheap -- I don't know if you could
rent one.
Years ago at my last office job, a reload toner cart came apart and left
toner all over the inside of a Laserjet IID. We wanted to call HP service
but the skinflint boss insisted we clean it up ourselves. The receptionist
went at it with a garden-variety hand vac which shot a six-inch flame out
the exhaust, ruined the vac motor and scorched the wall. I didn't see the
flame but I sure saw the burn on the wall.
/kc
The other day I saw two RL02s in a dumpster outside the UW-Madison
surplus center. I didn't have anything to connect them to, and
they were a bit dinged. What sort of platter is inside them?
Should I go disassemble them to get the big platters to hang on
the wall?
- John
Subject: DEC PDP 11 Computer
From: Tim Armstrong <Tim.Armstrong(a)vuw.ac.nz>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:08:37 +1300
Message-ID: <34C809B5.11DF40B(a)vuw.ac.nz>
Organization: Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand
Newsgroups: nz.comp
We are closing down a system which used a DEC PDP11. As parts for these
rather old machines are getting a bit hard to get would anyone out there
be interested in this piece of hardware.
--
Tim Armstrong, Maintenance Manager
Victoria University of Wellington
PO Box 600, Wellington, New Zealand
phone (04) 495 5073, Fax (04) 495 5242
<http://www.vuw.ac.nz>
Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote:
> Got this from a friend of mine:
>
> I've never heard of an HP2250 either, but according to the 1983 HP
> catalog, the HP2250A is a "Measurement and Control Processor." It's
> designed to work with the HP1000 and HP9800 computers via an HP-IB
[snip]
1983 is probably about right -- it's not in the 1980 or 1981
Measurement/Computation catalogs. Instead there is something called
a 2240A that seems to be about the same idea.
Hmm. I guess I don't quite understand how this is substantially
different from a 6940B or 6942A Multiprogrammer, but then I haven't
worked with any of them. Well, the 694xs get a few more pages in the
catalogs, look like they might have a wider range of I/O cards, and I
gather the 6940B may be what you needed to resort to for
faster-than-HP-IB communications with the controlling host processor
(it can use a 16-bit parallel interface).
Joe, did you tell me (in private mail) that this thing was mounted in
a rack? There's a picture in the 1981 catalog of something called a
System 9030 that looks like a desk-height rack with woodgrain top and
wheels, and the accompanying paragraph of text:
"The HP 2240 can be installed in a roll-around cabinet with plug
connectors for portable use. Adding a controller (HP 9825, 9835, or
9845) and available exercising software, the preconfigured combination
is called the HP System 9030. Contact your local HP office for
information about specific ordering constraints."
The picture has what I'd guess to be a 9835A sitting on the woodgrain
top, presumably looking like the expected controller.
If the 2250A is anything like the 2240A, it's a smallish 19"
rack-mountable box, maybe 12" tall. Meaning that about half the
System 9030 rack is taken up with something else, maybe the "plug
connectors" mentioned above?
-Frank McConnell
