I just picked up a book on Macintosh Think C (MS Press, 50c, I didn't
bother getting Macsbug and others, also 50c each). For one thing, does
anyone have an extra/unvalued license copy of THINK C, version 2.1-5.0?
Also, what was the first programming language (I mean not binary or
assembly)?
Another thing: CP/M was run on just about everything, usually with
about 64K ram. How is it that MS-DOS blew up to about 384K? What
did they put in there?
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Ok Kaypro freaks Look what I found!
Please (as mentioned) email Eric direct 8-)
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From: epement(a)ripco.com (Eric Pement)
Newsgroups: chi.forsale
Subject: FS: Kaypro computers, books, software
Date: 27 Jan 1998 22:10:51 GMT
Massive sale of CP/M, Kaypro, and ZCPR books and software:
Kaypro computers:
------------------------------
About 12-16 Kaypro computers: Kaypro 1, II, 2, 2x, 4, and 10s
in varying stages of repair. A few are missing FDDs, a few
are missing power supplies, a few are missing power cords,
a few have video trouble. Probably 4-5 of them work as is,
and the others can be used for spare parts. 2 have Advent
TurboROMs included. Original master disks included.
External CP/M or ZCPR software, with disks and manuals:
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NZ-COM v1.0 (replacement for the CP/M command processor)
ZSDOS v1.0 (replacement for BDOS, Plu*Perfect Systems)
MULTICOPY, DOSDISK (foreign disk formats, Plu*Perfect Systems)
HYPERTYPER (typing tutor, Summit Software)
KAMAS v1.2 (outline editor, Kamasoft, Inc.)
DOCU-POWER v1.1 (document outliner, Computing!)
POWER! (front-end shell for CP/M, Computing!)
SCS DRAW (Kaypro drawing program, Second City Software)
SMARTKEY II, SMARTPRINT (keyboard redefinition, Heritage Software)
FREE FILER v5.0 (freeform database, Telion Software)
PUNCTUATION + STYLE v1.21 (2 copies, Oasis Software)
CATALOG (disk catalog system, SRX Systems)
FOOTNOTE, PAIR (supports footnotes in WordStar, Pro/Tem Software)
NOTEBOOK v1.3 (text-oriented database system, Pro/Tem Software)
Books:
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CHILTON'S GUIDE TO KAYPRO REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE, Gene Williams
(Chilton, 1985)
CP/M AND THE PERSONAL COMPUTER, Thos. Dwyer & Margot Critchfield
(Addison-Wesley, 1983)
CP/M REVEALED, Jack Dennon (Hayden Book Co., 1982)
MASTERING CP/M, Alan Miller (Sybex, 1983)
SOUL OF CP/M, Mitchell Waite & Robert Lafore (Howard W. Sams, 1983)
THE PROGRAMMER'S CP/M HANDBOOK, Andy Johnson-Laird
(Osborne/McGraw-Hill, 1983)
A PROGRAMMER'S NOTEBOOK: UTILITIES FOR CP/M-80, David Cortesi
(Reston, 1983)
DIGITAL RESEARCH CP/M VERSION 1.4 & 2.0 DOCUMENTATION, Digital
Research, Inc. (Digital Research, 1978)
HOW TO PROGRAM THE Z80, 3d ed., Rodnay Zaks (Sybex, 1980)
Z80 USERS MANUAL, Joseph Carr (Reston, 1980)
Z80 ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE PROGRAMMING, Lance Leventhal
(Osborne/McGraw-Hill, 1979)
Z80 ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE PROGRAMMING MANUAL, Rel. 2.1 (Zilog, 1978)
Z80-CPU, Z80A-CPU TECHNICAL MANUAL (Zilog, 1977)
Z80-CTC, Z80A-CTC TECHNICAL MANUAL (Zilog, 1977)
Z80-PI0, Z80A-PIO TECHNICAL MANUAL (Zilog, 1977)
Z80-MCB HARDWARE USER'S MANUAL (Zilog, 1977)
Z80-AIO/AIB HARDWARE USER'S MANUAL (Zilog, 1977)
Z80-PPB HARDWARE USER'S MANUAL (Zilog, 1977)
RMB (RMB/E) HARDWARE USER'S MANUAL (Zilog, 1977)
MCZ-1/20,25 HARDWARE USER'S MANUAL (Zilog, 1977)
TURBOROM USER'S MANUAL, 0816D1 Rev.B (Advent Products, Inc., 1986)
CROMEMCO Z80 MACRO ASSEMBLER (looseleaf notebook). Contains
"Cromemco Macro Assembler Instruction Manual," plus addendum (1980),
"Cromemco Text Editor Instruction Manual" (1978), and "Cromemco Screen
Editor Instruction Manual" (1979).
AN INTRODUCTION TO MICROCOMPUTERS: VOLUME 0, THE BEGINNER'S BOOK,
2d ed., Adam Osborne (Osborne & Associates, 1979)
AN INTRODUCTION TO MICROCOMPUTERS: VOLUME 1, BASIC CONCEPTS, 2d
ed., Adam Osborne (Osborne/McGraw-Hill, 1980)
WORDSTAR AND FRIENDS FOR THE KAYPRO II & 4, T. Gregory Platt and
Roz Van Meter (PeopleTalk Associates, 1983)
THE COMPLETE HANDBOOK OF PERSONAL COMPUTER COMMUNICATIONS, Alfred
Glossbrenner (St. Martin's Press, 1983)
THE COMPLETE HANDBOOK OF PERSONAL COMPUTER COMMUNICATIONS,
rev. ed., Alfred Glossbrenner (St. Martin's Press, 1985)
HOW TO GET FREE SOFTWARE, Alfred Glossbrenner (St. Martin's Press,
1984)
HOW TO TELECOMMUNICATE, Corey Sandler (Henry Holt, 1986)
PERFSTAR: MAKING PERFECT WRITER ACT LIKE WORDSTAR, Jon Trott
(self-published, 1986)
GREY KAYPRO MANUALS (for CP/M; standard size, 7"x9"):
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CALCSTAR USER'S MANUAL - 4 copies
CBASIC - 2 copies
CP/M MANUAL - 5 copies
DATASTAR REFERENCE MANUAL - 2 copies
DATASTAR TRAINING GUIDE - 3 copies
dBASE II - 1 copy
INTRODUCTION TO SOFTWARE - 4 copies
KAYPRO 1 USER'S GUIDE AND PERFECT WRITER - 3 copies
KAYPRO II USER'S GUIDE - 2 copies
KAYPRO USER'S GUIDE - 1 copy
MAILMERGE REFERENCE MANUAL - 3 copies
MICROPLAN - 2 copies
MICROSOFT BASIC - 7 copies
MICROSOFT BASIC QUICK REFERENCE GUIDE - 5 copies
PERFECT CALC - 4 copies
PERFECT FILER - 3 copies
PROFITPLAN - 2 copies
REPORTSTAR GENERAL INFORMATION MANUAL - 2 copies
REPORTSTAR TRAINING GUIDE - 3 copies
REPORTSTAR USER REFERENCE MANUAL - 4 copies
S-BASIC - 2 copies
SUPERSORT - 1 copy
SUPRTERM - 1 copy
THE WORD PLUS - 5 copies
USER'S GUIDE FOR WORDSTAR/MAILMERGE - 1 copy
GREY KAYPRO MANUALS (for CP/M; large size, 8 1/4"x10 3/4"):
------------------------------
CP/M: AN INTRODUCTION TO CP/M FEATURES AND FACILITIES - 1 copy
KAYPRO II USER'S GUIDE - 1 copy
MICROSOFT BASIC - 2 copies (1 spiral-bound, 1 perfect-bound)
PROFITPLAN - 2 copies
S-BASIC - 3 copies
WORDSTAR v3.0 - 1 copy
LOOSELEAF NOTEBOOKS:
------------------------------
KAYPRO 10 USER'S GUIDE - 2 copies
PERFECT WRITER - 1 copy
WORDSTAR MANUAL v3.0 - 1 copy (MicroPro)
WHITE QUICK-REFERENCE COMMAND CARDS:
------------------------------
WORDSTAR - 1 copy
DATASTAR - 2 copies
CALCSTAR - 2 copies
REPORTSTAR - 1 copy
PERFECT WRITER - 1 copy
PERFECT CALC - 1 copy
I really don't have any good idea what to ask for this stuff in
terms of prices, so make me an offer. All the books are in very good
to excellent condition (no damage, no highlighting or underscoring,
etc.). I'll be accepting bids or offers until March 1, 1998.
First, I'd prefer to sell it all together, all at once, to save
myself multiple boxes for shipping. However, I'll *consider* selling
sections to people who really want it. Ideally, the person who gets
the Kaypro computers should also get the manuals to go with them.
Second, I'd prefer to sell the set to someone who can pick them up
here in Chicago, or who will pay for shipping. If you're involved with
a church or nonprofit helps organization (or a bona-fide CP/M museum),
leave me your phone number or e-mail address even if you can't afford
to buy them. If nobody is interested, I'll contact you.
Feel free to copy or repost this message in other "for-sale" areas
that would be relevant to CP/M, Z80, ZCPR, or Kaypro hardware.
Kind regards,
Eric Pement <epement(a)jpusa.chi.il.us>
senior editor, Cornerstone magazine
939 W. Wilson Ave.
Chicago, IL 60640
phone: 773/561-2450, ext. 2084
fax: 773/989-2076
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"Perfect Writer on the other hand, because it is written in 'C',
will not become obsolete, but will easily accompany advances in
computer hardware through the year 2000, at least. This means
that if you upgrade your computer hardware in the coming years,
you can be safely assured that:
* Your text files will still be usable.
* You will not need to purchase a new word processor.
* You will not need to learn a new word processor."
-- Perfect Writer User's Guide [for CP/M], 1982
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Well, you could see it coming. Poor financial performance (and hence, weak
stock price) over the last few years. Weak products. Then, DEC sells-out the
Crown Jewels (its Alpha procesor) to Intel.
After listening to an interview with Eckhard Pfeiffer of Compaq, they
paid $9.6 billion for DEC's customer list, not its products. He mentions
nothing about DEC's products.
It's a shame...but it seems to me that DEC should have seen it coming.
Death comes to the last of the old-line computer companies.
Rich Cini/WUGNET
<nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use)
ClubWin! Charter Member (6)
MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
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That's good to know, Tony. I think I have one or two TRS-80 cables around
here somewhere. It would be nice if a Tandy cassette player would also
work; I think I have one of those here as well. I've put a couple of
feelers out there looking for an IBM variety.
Cliff Gregory
cgregory(a)lrbcg.com
-----Original Message-----
From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
To: Cgregory <Cgregory>
Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: Development, round II
>> I've never seen an IBM cassette drive; fact is I've never seen a 5150
>> without at least one disk drive. The 5150 does boot to cassette BASIC if
no
>> boot disk is present. Now my curiousity is piqued. I'm going to have to
>> find a cassette player and interface cable somewhere.
>
>AFAIK the IBM 5150 PC cassette cable is the same as the cable used to
>link a cassette recorder to a TRS-80. That should make it quite easy to
>find - I have a couple here (which I need to hang on to).
>
>It wouldn't be hard to solder one up, well, apart from soldering those
>infernal DIN plugs.
>
>-tony
>
>
I've never seen an IBM cassette drive; fact is I've never seen a 5150
without at least one disk drive. The 5150 does boot to cassette BASIC if no
boot disk is present. Now my curiousity is piqued. I'm going to have to
find a cassette player and interface cable somewhere.
Cliff Gregory
cgregory(a)lrbcg.com
-----Original Message-----
From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
To: Cgregory <Cgregory>
Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 1:14 AM
Subject: Re: Development, round II
>
>I never saw anybody use the cassette port for practical purposes. In fact,
I
>never saw a cassette drive from IBM. Good trivia question. Has anybody ever
>seen one? I do remember reading something years ago about hobbyists using
>the cassette port for plugging in wierd hardware hacks.
>
>The original PC came with Cassette Basic. As I recall, defaulted to that if
>you had no DOS boot disk. GWBasic and BasicA had to be loaded off the DOS
>disk.
>
Actually, I've had lots of bad luck with Compaq. They're semi-PCs (like the
Tandy 1000's) I mean, if you go to download Internet Explorer 4 from
Microsoft, they have a seperate download for Compaqs. If you call tech
support, they'll charge you for ANYTHING they can.
Tim D. Hotze
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 1:56 AM
Subject: Re: back ontopic: mac 400k drive.
>>
>> Big CHOMP!
>>
>> >... You could hose up the head, or send a minute
>> > electrical charge through your body that could affect your ability to
>> > reproduce in the future. Unless you are really good with working on
tiny
>> > mechanical parts, save yourself the headache and replace the drive.
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>> To vent abit...
>>
>> This reponses is typical of tech-support droid who do not wants
>> anyone to mess with internal computer parts without giving any tips
>
>Well said. I agree 100%
>Not only do I _enjoy_ doing repairs, but I am getting fed up with the
>number of times I've received replies like :
>'Monochrome monitors are old-fashioned. You can buy a new SVGA colour
>monitor for less than the cost of repair'
>
>The problem is, the monitor in question was off a Whitechapel
>workstation. Not the sort of machine you can just plug a PC monitor into.
>
>Ditto disk drives. You can't plug just any hard disk into a PERQ or a
>PDP8, or an Apple ][, or a whatever. Sometimes you have to repair the old
>unit.
>
>That's apart from the fact that you should try to keep as many original
>parts in a classic as you can.
>
>Without wishing to blow my own trumpet, some people on this list are
>quite good at handling small parts (a lot smaller than you find in disk
>drives), are quite happy to replace surface mount components at home,
>will rebuild thick-film hybrids, will rewind motors, will realign disk
>drives, and have an array of tools and test equipment that exceeds just
>about any service centre.
>
>Another mini-flame for service manuals that claim that some part is 'not
>field repairable'. Sorry, but _I'll_ decide what _I_ can repair. At the
>moment, the only thing I can't rebuild is hard disk HDAs. But I'd much
>rather have a service manual that starts 'Take the HDA into a clean room
>and undo the cover screws (#1 in fig 4.2), lift off cover' etc than one
>which entirely misses out the HDA.
>
>> or solution besides telling them off to "authorized sites". Compaq
>> is pretty bad especially when I own years out of date equipment and
>> needs trival info on two resistors to fix a SLT power brick, I'm
>
>Do you have any idea as to the circuit topology in this unit? I don't
>have any Compaq stuff, but I may be able to guess what's going on if you
>indicate what the main chopper control chip is, and where the resistors
>are located (electrically) in relation to it.
>
>> Jason D.
>
>-tony
>
I have the manuals somewhere, i.e., not handy. Do you need something looked
up?
Cliff Gregory
cgregory(a)lrbcg.com
-----Original Message-----
From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
To: Cgregory <Cgregory>
Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 6:53 PM
Subject: Monitor woes
>Lastly, does anyone have any of the original stuff for it, ie software,
>manuals, etc.
>
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part of my new additions last week was a bunch of old mac stuff. i finally got
one of the 400k drives, but its having eject problems. the mechanism was stuck
so now im able to get a disk in, but when i call it to eject, the motor turns,
the disk lifts up to the slot, but wont pop out, then the mechanism goes back
down in position to read the disk. it does the same thing when i use a paper
clip; it will go up, the disk will stay in, then it goes back down into read
position. amazingly, the drive works fine otherwise. i dont quite understand
the mechanicals of it, anyone have ideas?
david
i enjoy reading what others have acquired, so i'd add what i just found.
apple //e and a franklin 5.25 drive $5
ibm dictionary of computer terms on disk (never opened) for $1
also, an old IBMer at work gave me some interesting things.
i got the usual 286 boards and some mfm drives and controllers.
i also got some kind of interface board that prompts for a password before
booting. made by sdi incorporated. i tried it in a 486 i built, but it wont
accept the passwoid.
also got something called a corvus systems ibm interface. it has a 34pin
header in some kind of funky mounting bracket. anyone know what it is?
also got something called a videotrax in its original but ragged box. its a
card that lets one use a vcr for backup. i think 80 meg per tape. i wont plan
to archive important data, but would be useful to image one old xt drive to
another.
i also got the host/client cards for the old pc expansion case. i have
extras, so if anyone needs them, make a deal.
i also saw a trs80 model 4? it looked like my trs80 model 3 except it had no
disk drives and was white! i never saw a white trs80. i might go back and get
it.
also found a tandy trs80 model ? which was similar in a way to the model 4
except it had a vertical 8 inch drive, but someone had gone into it and the
keyboard was missing. not bad for finishing out the week.
david
> Well, I found out that Atari is kicking. Has anyone heard about the game
> "Primal Rage" It's copywrighted to Atari Games.
Atari Games is the arcade division of Atari, which is doing just fine
(though I think they're part of some MegaArcadeConglomerate these days).
The home computer and console divisions of Atari are pretty much gone.
--
Ben Coakley http://www.math.grin.edu/~coakley coakley(a)ac.grin.edu
Station Manager, KDIC 88.5 FM CBEL: Xavier OH
Wow, this is global. -Mtn Goats
