This is a general question (and a return to topic -- sorry, I didn't mean
to start a whole meaningless thread) for my fellow DEC'ers or anyone else
with knowledge on the subject; which Unix is Ultrix (notably 4.3) based on,
and how badly did DEC bastardize it?
It would help me to know, 'cause I plan to use an Ultrix box as a mail
processor eventually.
Thanks!
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Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272)
(Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net)
"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own
human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
I have an Intel PDS-100 Personal Development System but no manuals or
information on this unit. It is from 1979-1982 I believe, and has two
prom programming boards with it. The unit is the size of a slightly
large pc, has a carrying handle with built in monitor, keyboard and
two 5 1/4" half height floppy drives.
Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks-
Marty Mintzell
email:marty@itgonline.com
Does anyone know of a more-or-less comprehensive history of Operating
Systems online? I'd like to come up to speed on the OSs that are being
discussed here--some of them sound very interesting.
I'd be very interested to see a geneology tree--I've noticed some Unix
genes in DOS (few) and I'm told it was based in part on things CP/M was
doing at the time.
--
David Wollmann |
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DST ibmhelp.com Technical Support | Data, document and file conversion for
IBM http://www.ibmhelp.com/ | legacy file and media formats.
The more that I think about this, the more that I hate it. People are
attacking Microsoft, which I think is *very unfair.*. Sure, they've always
got their eye on being the undisputed leader. But is that any different
>from what Intel, DEC, Apple, or any other company, no matter how grand in
technologies wants? Is that different from what *you* want? So,
Microsoft's outgrown itself. For instance, it takes weeks to get a tech
support reply back. So what? They're stepping into new territories, that
they don't really know about. It makes *competition*, what brings out the
best in companies, people, and prices. Anti-competitive measures? Everyone
tries them, the only problem is when they *work*. Then, we get upset. For
instance, Sun closing software and hardware design discourages competition.
It's the same with drivers, hardware specs, and why companies keep most beta
information under wraps.
So, we've had our fun. We've stated our opinions. Time will prove us
right, wrong, or indifferent. Let's let it take it's cource. And, enjoy it
while we're on our way.
Flaming isn't a solution, it's a problem. I implore you to think of
this.
Thanks for your time,
Tim D. Hotze
Kai Kaltenbech chose to produce the following...
>Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:45:01 -0800
>From: Kai Kaltenbach <kaikal(a)MICROSOFT.com>
>To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
>Subject: RE: Arrrgh! Micro$h*t again....
>You know Bruce, it's offensive unthinking tirades like yours that make me
>want to unsubscribe from this list and throw my classic computers in the
>dumpster just so I would no longer have to count myself among your company.
I'm truly sorry you feel that way. I notice that you work for Microsoft.
With that in mind, your own statements are very understandable.
I would point out that I have not attacked you, personally, in any way.
You have given me no reason to. You, on the other wing, seem intent on
attacking me strictly on the basis of my statement of a personal opinion.
Chill out, have a brew, sit back, and think about this for a minute. Who's
the one that really produced the "unthinking tirade?" ;-)
We are all entitled to our own opinions. I welcome the fact that you
obviously disagree with me (if everyone on the planet agreed on everything,
I think we'd all be in more trouble than we are now, as a race!). If you
would like clarification on why I feel the way I do, and the basis behind
my statements, feel free to E-mail me so we don't end up cluttering the list.
If you do not feel inclined to do so, that's no problem either. I will say
this much and let it go. I have no great love for Microsoft products or for
Billy-boy Gates' arrogant attitudes. I am not alone in these beliefs. I am
a firm believer in consumer choice for hardware and software. Microsoft
seems to support that choice -- as long as it's Microsoft's code-bloated,
resource-wasteful software that is chosen.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to get to work. BTW, my apologies to the
other readers of this list. This is the last you'll hear from me on this
thread.
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Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272)
(Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net)
"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own
human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
<Does anyone remember Basic5, for CP/M IIRC? It was a 5k Basic which
<took up about 8k. As for small languages, ETI published 'Simple' for
I do and I have about a truckload of different basics for 8080/z80.
The WC CP/M cdrom has at least that many and I haven't looked at all the
CPMUG and SIGM files.
amoung them:
LLL basic
Li Chen Wang TBX
TINY basic
TDL 5k basic
Zbasic
NS* basic
Ebasic
Cbasic
Sbasic
MITS8k
MS 8k basic in rom (netronics explorer).
MS BASCOM
MS extended disk basic
I'll bet this is not a definitive list either.
<the 8080 c.1977 which was a non-trivial self-contained interactive
<interpreter, in 256 bytes including space for your own UART drivers.
Simple yes, useful?
Allison
Doesn't help much, sorry. COmmon Business Oriented Language and you
say that the C is the only part that's good? What is COBOL like, anyway?
>>What's wrong with COBOL?
>
>The OBOL part.
>
>
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"Max Eskin" <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>A few years ago, I got a Practical Peripherals thing which was
>supposed to be a modem. The model number is PM2400SA. It is external.
>It dials out, but for some reason, does not connect when the carrier
>on the other end starts. Could someone tell me what this thing is?
I believe that's called a "non-functional modem". Try "AT&F" to see
if it's resettable to factory defaults.
- John
Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>
Subject: Hardware for PDP
From: H G Duehring <duhring(a)meister.aball.de>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 23:46:52 +0100
Organization: aball Internet Netzdienste GmbH, Hannover, Germany
Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11
I give some hardware for free for UNIBUS and PDP 11/34, pick up by
yourself in Germany:
RL01/02 Drives ; differtent boards ; R;L01/02 Disks.
RX01/02 parts ; 8" Diskettes.
RX50 Drives ; RD 51 Drives ; LA50 Printers ; VR201 Screens.
Kai Kaltenbach <kaikal(a)MICROSOFT.com> wrote:
>Please give me an insight as to _your_ life's work so that I may call it a
>steaming pile of horseshit as well.
Is this the first time you've heard someone criticize Microsoft or its
products?
>You know Bruce, it's offensive unthinking tirades like yours that make me
>want to unsubscribe from this list and throw my classic computers in the
>dumpster just so I would no longer have to count myself among your company.
I'd be glad to pay shipping... Do you have a web page describing
what you're giving away? :-) Me? I find myself defending Bill at
every turn, and that has nothing to do with sending him/you thousands
of dollars a year.
- John
Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>
