On Mar 23, 16:33, healyzh(a)aracnet.com wrote:
> Well, I know it's a /23, but I don't know the rev, knowing my luck it's
not
> a Rev A. I'll have to check, thanks for the warning!
>
> <Sigh> I gather these things would work in a 16-bit backplane such as my
> /03's?
Yup, that's what they were designed for.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
On Mar 23, 13:40, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
> Speaking of teletypes, I ended up with a matching set of Philips TX-1000
> Text Tells which are, I guess, meant for teletext transfer over phone
lines.
> (The manual and the machines are Dutch.) Anyone ever dealt with these?
> Know the communication protocol, or are they just like any other
traditional
> modem when they transmit/receive?
The type number looks familiar, but I can't be certain. What do they look
like? I expect they'll be V23 Mode 2 (1200 baud FSK receive using
2100/1300Hz, 75 baud FSK transmit using 450/390Hz CCITT tones). If they're
what I think they are, they can be programmed with a number to dial, a user
ID and a (numeric) password which is sent on receipt of a ctrl-E (ENQ) from
the remote end, but it should also be possible to use them manually.
Ob.pedantry: it would be Viewdata (comms channels), not teletext
(broadcast).
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
On Mar 23, 14:31, Chuck McManis wrote:
> You mean like "this board isn't compatible with a 22bit backplane" kinds
of
> things. (which it isn't BTW, that's what the note is about BDAL18 is
> address line 18 which is called BC1 on 18 bit backplanes.)
>
> I'm not sure how you would use it in a system with a 22 bit backplane.
Even
> if you pulled the address line off the back plane the board's CSR
registers
> would show up in memory space and you would have bus contention.
I don't believe that's true -- that board uses BBS7 to decode I/O space, so
it should appear at the correct address. The only problem is BC1, which,
like other "unused" contacts, is grounded (presumably to reduce noise).
Just cut the track from the BC1 finger. The ADV11 is listed as
"restricted compatibility", not "incompatible".
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
On Mar 21, 23:05, Allison J Parent wrote:
>
> <I don't really see how the fanout units on offer (or my unsuccessful
> <back-to-back device) could do that -- the termination isn't in the
> <transceiver or fanout unit, it's a resistor on the end of the cable.
> < Anyway, it would still only be one termination domain. Or maybe I've
> <misunderstood what you mean? If you mean my back-to-back transceiver
idea
> <yes, if it had worked, you could use it to split a termination domain
into
> <two, just like a two-port repeater, or a very simple bridge (except a
> <bridge usually separates collision domains too).
>
> Anyone ever heard of a DELNI? Ok, it was an 8 port AUI to AUI with a 9th
> for AUI to h4000 fat eithernet cable. Popular use was for cobbing 4-7
> system together locally if you didn't have the BIG backbone. Logial
> equivilent of a 8 port hub used for 10bt.
Yes, never knowingly used one, but I've seen them. 3Com made an 8-port(?
or 6?) AUI repeater -- one of my friends used one as his hub for a while, I
believe.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
Hi everyone.... I tried to post the message before but never saw it posted
so excuse me if you see this twice.
I'm trying to find a teletype to add to my KIM-1- if anyone has one that
they are willing to part with ( for a reasonable price) or knows anyone who
is selling one please let me know.I've checked the obvious places
(e-bay-hell) and have not yet seen one.
mark
-------
ICQ 40439199
http://www2.msstate.edu/~mja2
>Does anyone know if any FOCAL (DEC originals or otherwise) documentation is
>online?
The DECUS PDP-8 Focal sources (in PAL10) are available. FOCAL.PA begins with:
/**** FOCAL 5/69 ****
/E.A.TAFT - REVISION OF FOCALW 8/68 /EAT/ 25-JUL-72
/ASSEMBLY INSTRUCTIONS FOR DECUS VERSION:
/INPUT FILES:
/ FOCAL.569 FOCAL LANGUAGE PROCESSOR
/ FLOAT.569 FLOATING POINT PACKAGE
/ EXTEND.569 EXTENDED FUNCTION PACKAGE
/ 2USER.569 2-USER OVERLAY
What I have is in the "nickel" PDP-8 DECTAPE archive rescued by me from the
University of Indiana several years ago. The Focal stuff, in particular,
is on the web at:
http://www.trailing-edge.com/~shoppa/focal/
If you were asking about FOCAL-10 (for a PDP-10), this is available on
the web as well, from the home to all good software that's PDP-10
related:
http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/www/lib10/0462/
If you want the PDP-11 (specifically, for RT-11) sources, you can
find this at the Metalab.unc.edu PDP-11 archives as DECUS entry
11-0447. Go to
http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/
then go into the RT-11 archives, pick the "decus11" directory, and
you'll see three 110477 directories (d1, d2, and d3), one for each original
floppy.
I also have much RSX and DOS-11 FOCAL stuff that's not indexed yet.
I hope this helps. If none of these packages meets your needs, you
might ask again for your specific platform(s). Enjoy!
--
Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com
Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/
7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917
Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927
Does anyone know if any FOCAL (DEC originals or otherwise) documentation is
online?
I am delighted to find someone with this software. I would have been
satisfied with a printed hex dump, but if you have the manual and the
source code, yee-haw! When you find it please contact me. I'll take
photocopies, faxes, scans, .PDF, anything. As far as being
"machine-readable", for the KIM that would be paper tape or cassette tape;
neither are as useful as a "human-readable" version. I found the Denver
Area 6502 Group on the web at www.6502group.com; so far they have not been
able to help me with FOCAL. www.6502.org has no leads to it that I could
find.
I want to get this stuff to run on my Apple IIe. I am interested in any
KIM/SYM/AIM/6502 software that folks might have, especially with source
code. Anyone have issues of MICRO (the 6502 journal) they want to get rid
of? I do have the Best of MICRO, vols 1-3 and a few separate issues
(#73-76), plus the MICRO on the Apple vols 1-3.
Paul R. Santa-Maria
Ann Arbor, Michigan USA
paulrsm(a)ameritech.net
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> From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com>
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: KIM/6502 code (was ClassicCmp paper tape)
> Date: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 08:48 PM
>
> I don't know that anyone has machine-readables of the FOCAL interpreter
that
> was cooked up in the Denver Area 6502 group, but I do believe I have a
> printed manual and a printed listing of the interpreter. I'm quite
certain
> that I won't be able to find it until well into spring, however. Now
that
> many of us have scanners, new life is breathed into software available
only
> in the printed listings.
>
> Frankly, I hope someone has machine readable files of these items, but
I'm
> not aware of them.
>
> Dick
>Hi All
> I've been resisting putting this out but I've run out
>of my resources. I have a real dilemma!
> I've been trying to get in touch with Tom Pittman
>but I've not had too much success. I have a copy
<snip>
>The fellow that claimed to have contacted him was
>"Bill Richman" <bill_r(a)inetnebr.com>. I have sent him
>mail but not gotten a reply. I hate being in this position.
>I know that there are a bunch out there that are looking
>for this code.
Just for the record, I forwarded your information to Tom, as I don't feel
comfortable handing out his e-mail address. He replied that he would get
back to you shortly. I'll try to remind him tonight.
Bill Richman
http://incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r
(Home of the COSMAC Elf
microcomputer simulator!)
There's some ASR-33 info in this offer from the Greenkeys list...
- John
>X-POP3-Rcpt: jfoust@threedee
>From: Merz Donald S <merz.ds(a)mellon.com>
>To: TTY Friends <greenkeys(a)qth.net>
>Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY Diagrams, Specs, BSPs FS
>Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:44:59 -0500
>Sender: owner-greenkeys(a)qth.net
>Reply-To: Merz Donald S <merz.ds(a)mellon.com>
>
>FOR SALE: Teletype Documentation
>
>Each of these packages is a thick stack of Teletype docs from AT&TCo. There
>are 20
>or more docs per set. There may be some duplicates. Condition ranges from
>like new
>to covered with Teletype oil. Mostly offered for the cost of postage and
>aggravation.
>
>Package 1: Model 28 Bell System Practices. Starts with General Instructions
>for installing
>the Model 28 ASR and covers all manner of modification kits such as
>horizontal and vertical
>tabulation, multicopy roll paper, keyboard modifications, etc. This is just
>a random set--no
>attempt was made to organize these or make a complete set. As-is. $5
>postage-paid.
>
>Package 2: Model 28 Bell System Practices. Same as #1 except a few less docs
>in this set.
>$5 PPD
>
>ASR User Manual photocopy. Old copy of AT&T 1961 ASR user guide. Free with
>any purchase.
>
>Bell System Practices Manual Set for Model 164C1, C2, C3 & C4 Telegraph
>Transmission
>Measuring Sets. 2 manuals: Description/Principles Of Operation and
>Calibration and Test
>Methods. Both original and like new. This looks like a nice instrument but I
>have never seen
>one of these. $8 PPD
>
>Bell System Practices Manual Set for Model 164C1, C2, C3 & C4 Telegraph
>Transmission
>Measuring Sets. As above but the "Calibration and Test Methods" manual is a
>photocopy.
>$6 PPD
>
>Package 3: Model 28 Wiring Diagrams: A 1" thick stack of un-sorted diagrams.
>$5 PPD
>
>MWO 80-3: Mandatory Modification Work Order For M-28 ASR, KSR & KTR. This is
>a
>comb-bound set of wiring diagrams and modification instructions dated
>August, 1971. I'm
>not sure what this set was used for. $5 PPD
>
>Package 4: This is a polyglot of wiring diagrams for "Multi-voltage
>Rectifiers," "High-Speed
>TDs," "Selective Calling Systems," "CXB200 & MU43," and much more. A total
>of about a
>1-1/2" thick pile. $5 PPD
>
>Package 5: M33, 101C, "Four-Row TWX," wiring diagrams. About 1" thick. $4
>PPD
>
>Package 6: Dataspeed wiring diagrams, Data Systems Schematics, "Recognizer
>Module"
>diagrams. About 1" thick. $5 PPD
>
>Package 7: 48V rectifier, high speed receiving distributor, multi-voltage
>rectifier,
>isolation repeater and others. About 1" thick. $4 PPD
>
>Package 8: Model 35 wiring diagrams, specifications for various
>modifications and a
>couple M35 BSPs. About 1/2" thick. $5 PPD
>
>Package 9: A reasonably complete set of M33 wiring diagrams on 11x17 paper
>plus a
>package of various M33 diagrams still in unopened wrappers. About 1" thick.
>$5 PPD
>
>Package 10: Everything you wanted to know about the Model 33 but were afraid
>to ask.
>This includes a complete set of M33 wiring diagrams and a mostly complete
>set of
>BSPs for the Model 33. This is really nice. About 2" thick. $24 PPD
>
>Package 11: BSPs and wiring diagrams for a lot of the early Bell data gear.
>Covers 101C,
>113A, 202C, 402D, 1001D and many more. Nice. About 1-1/2" thick. $7 PPD
>
>Contact Don at merz.ds(a)mellon.com
>
>----
>Submissions: greenkeys(a)qth.net
I have a friend who may be selling some of his TU58 / HP 85
tapes. Is there anyone who wishes to trade and PDP-11 Qbus
hardware. I am also looking for a SONY SMO S501 or
compatible magneto optical drive and cartridges (512 bytes per
sector).