"What He Said."
I was going to respond to Richard's email but you've said it all
here, Zane. I stand in agreement.
-Dave McGuire
On April 5, healyzh(a)aracnet.com wrote:
> > I really can't understand what all the hostility toward Microsoft is about.
> > If it weren't for the low prices resulting from the economy of scale, scale
> > which is enabled by the fact that Microsoft made computers simple enough to
> > use that the masses could and would use them.
>
> Well, in my case it started when I discovered that the copy of Visual Basic
> I bought wouldn't run under OS/2. This is DESPITE the fact that the box and
> manuals said it would!
>
> Then there is the issue of *stability*.
>
> Then there is the issue of *illegal* business practices.
>
> Then there is that question of innovation.
>
> Someone mind explaining why if I install software on a Microsoft system or
> make *very* minor changes I've got the reboot the @*& #$)@ thing?!?!
>
> I could go on and on, but I think you get the picture.
>
> > If you want to dog somebody, the go after DEC, (God be thanked that they're
> > gone!) with their antiquated technology always a generation behind everyone
> > else and with their ridiculous prices.
>
> Um, you do know that's flame bait in this group, and Microslop roasting is a
> regular hobby here? Personally I'll willingly pay more if it means I've got
> stability.
>
> > The only point I've seen in this thread that makes any sense at all is the
> > one about Visual Basic. If your really want that 6-7 figure income, you'll
> > learn it. I know at least half a dozen fellows who have taken that up.
>
> You know, I can't decide if that's a sad comment on the computer industry,
> or the United States.
>
> Zane
Has anyone else seen this? The only thing I get when I power up my iOpener
is a screen that says "Welcome! i-opener Out of the box. In the outlets. On
the counter. Nothin' but 'Net!" Nothing else. No other screens, or startup
messages. Control-alt-home, or home-4 do nothing.
Any suggestions?
-- Tony
> ----------
> From: ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk[SMTP:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk]
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 3:53 PM
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: iOpener Update
>
> >
> > > Also apparently they've put in a really ugly "Terms of Sale".
> >
> > Particularly ugly - if you don't use their $21.95 month net access
> > service for their required period of time, they'll charge you $499.
> > If they don't have your credit card number, they'll send you a bill.
>
> What if you buy one in a shop, and pay cash for it? Or do they insist on
> being told your name and address?
>
> -tony
>
>I just left CC and they would not sell me the demo unit saying that had to
>RETURN ALL the old units they had for the new model. Makes me think they
>had some ones in stock. And they will not take orders for the new model
>right now. SUCKS
I would have faced them down using BAIT and SWITCH as the cause. Which
is what is being done. I plan to drop in on CC friday after work likely to
cancle
as things is getting to be more of a project if it progresses along the
current
path. I have other projects I need tp put the time to. Unlike some I paid
in full,
so I feel I can demand product under conditions at time of sale, 3/13! All
in all
a big pain.
Allison
>time to write anything. I will have some people come over and feed in the
>paper tape this weekend. While I won't be able to archive most of it, I do
>hope to at least read in most of the source code on paper tape. (I have over
>310 PDP-1 paper tapes alone).
So how did the archiving go? Find any notable gems you're dying to tell
us about?
--
Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com
Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/
7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917
Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927
-----Original Message-----
From: CLASSICCMP(a)trailing-edge.com <CLASSICCMP(a)trailing-edge.com>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 9:15 PM
Subject: RE: I need some PDP-11 RT11 archiving software
>>time to write anything. I will have some people come over and feed in the
>>paper tape this weekend. While I won't be able to archive most of it, I do
>>hope to at least read in most of the source code on paper tape. (I have
over
>>310 PDP-1 paper tapes alone).
>
>So how did the archiving go?
Like shit. <pardon the expression>
> Find any notable gems you're dying to tell
>us about?
>
I was amazed with just how much paper tape software I had (not including
dectapes,disks, etc..). I had source code to every language and package ever
put out for the PDP-1. As for the PDP-11, I saved source code to the first
RSX-11 version, DOS/Batch, and paper tape operating system.
There was over 400 blue trays of paper tape (packed) for the
PDP-1,4,5,8,9,11,... I have been working 15 hour days with 3 others over the
past 13 days just to pack the collection and test each minicomputer and
peripheral. I am going out to the *new* home of my collection in a couple of
months and will archive most of the PDP-1 and the rest of the 11 software
there. It's in a *much* better home as this buyer has the capital to keep
this collection running well into the next millenium.
I backed up some of the PDP-1 software (about 10 tapes) but concentrated on
the PDP-8/11 software as private collectors want that kind of software
installed when I sell a mini.
I am looking forward to heading out to the west coast. I *really* wanted to
archive Fortran Source code for the PDP-1 but ran out of time and couldn't
hold up shippers.
I do feel kind of down though... I *really* liked my PDP-8/S minicomputers
but they are going to a better home...
As for documentation, I saved a copy of the Classic-8 maintenance manual (I
had 3). I understand quite a few people are looking for it... I will scan it
in next week when things quiet down. {many other "training manuals/prints"
were copied}
If there are still licensing issues over RSX-11B,C and others (licensing 30
year old software?? - crazy!) then I can email it to you or others next
week.
P.S. I did save the source code to PDP-1 DECUS "7A" - Expensive Typewriter.
Next week I wil be packing some wishlist items, other promised pieces and
*finally* ship them out.
john
>--
> Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com
> Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/
> 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917
> Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927
>
> Also apparently they've put in a really ugly "Terms of Sale".
Particularly ugly - if you don't use their $21.95 month net access
service for their required period of time, they'll charge you $499.
If they don't have your credit card number, they'll send you a bill.
See
https://secure.netpliance.com/store/terms_sale.asp
(Why you need a security-enabled browser to look at their terms
and conditions, I don't know. But at the bottom of that page they
encourage you to e-mail them with the name and address of anyone who
has violated their policies by doing as much as disassembling
or modifying the device.)
Makes $99 sound like not so much of a bargain anymore, huh?
--
Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com
Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/
7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917
Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927
My uVAX may have had some 4 or 8port serial card that was removed. The RS232
connectors are still present on the back. Now in the cardcage it seems a
card is missing.
Would that be a problem ? (bus continuity)
this is the current situation
Slot ... 6 5 4 3 2 1
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
(X) | M | M | M | M | M |
7555 7516 7609 7609 7606
| DI- | M | (X) | | | |
LOG 7546
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
The first 3 cards are Quad but the bottom position
of slot 4 is empty (X) as is the top slot 6
Would that be ok ?
Sipke
--- Lawrence LeMay <lemay(a)cs.umn.edu> wrote:
> Can RK05's from a PDP11 system be used on a PDP8? Do i need to find
> special disk cartridges?
16-bit machines (PDP-11) use 12 sector cartridges. 12-bit machines (PDP-8)
use 16-sector cartridges. The difference is in how many saw cuts are made
in the aluminum rim on the bottom. While it is *theoretically* possible
to plug the wrong cuts and make new ones in the correct place, I am not
aware of anyone attempting this, let alone succeeding.
I myself have a quantity of 12-sector packs and 1 16-sector pack (formatted
for an RK05F) (and no RK8E)
-ethan
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Anyone have a terminal (serial?) card for an MAI BASIC 4 to help that guy?
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 13:39:50 CLT
From: Luis Alejandro Peña Ramirez <douglas772(a)hotmail.com>
Gentlemen:
We are a small store; SOLARI Y CIA. LTDA. Located in pais of CHILE, city of
ARICA, My problem is the following one; We have a computer MAI BASIC FOUR,
with the following ones: Characteristic:
MAI BASIC FOUR 7.2 R Model 1800
Unix Propietari NO Standard
UNIX operating system (BOSS/IX)
In this machine there is a program build in language Business BASIC, the
operating system BOSS/IX that have the advantages of UNIX. And the Business
applications and associated data files
The main problem is in which the card multi port that it connects the
terminals this card I burn myself due to a blow of current. Good we needed
to acquire with extreme urgency this card, because we needed to continue
operating with the terminals. The characteristics of the card are the
following ones:
CARD:
Multi Port to 8 terminal
ISA 16 bits
Conectors : RJ
I need information Cost of the card, Cost of send, and more information
about purchase of hardware of MAI BASIC FOUR. (CHIP of serial number of
machine)
I wait for a very quick answer, thank you very much by from now on.
Luis Peña Rámirez
Ingenier of Computation and informatic
Email: douglas772(a)hotmail.com
miguelarias66(a)latinmail.com
Adreess: ARICA, CHILE: 21 de MAYO #221
Phone: (056)09-8360545
(056)(052)225020
P.D.: The information send me in Spanish, please. (If us do). If you don`t
help me. Need information the other place (e-mail, HTTP, phone) where help
me, with this hardware.
En Español:
Señores WAL ENTER:
Nosotros somos una pequeña tienda; SOLARI Y CIA. LTDA. Ubicada en el pais de
CHILE, ciudad de ARICA, Mi problema es el siguiente; Tenemos un computador
MAI BASIC FOUR, con las siguientes :
Caracteristicas:
MAI BASIC FOUR 7.2 R Model 1800
Unix Propietari NO Standard
UNIX operating system (BOSS/IX)
En esta maquina hay un programa implentado en lenguaje Business BASIC, el
sistema Operativo BOSS/IX que reune las ventajas de Unix.
El problema principal radica en que la tarjeta multi puerta que conecta los
terminales, esta tarjeta se quemo debido a un golpe de corriente. Bueno
necesitamos adquirir con suma urgencia esta tarjeta, debido a que
necesitamos seguir operando con los terminales. Las caracteristicas de la
tarjeta son las siguientes:
Multi Port to 8 terminal
ISA 16 bits
Conectors : RJ
Necesito información de Costo de la tarjeta, Costo de envio, y más
información acerca de compra de hardware de MAI BASIC FOUR. (Chip de número
de serie del equipo)
Espero una muy pronta respuesta, muchas gracias por desde ahora.
Luis Peña Rámirez
Ingeniero en Computacion e informatica
Email: douglas772(a)hotmail.com
miguelarias66(a)latinmail.com
direccion: ARICA, CHILE: 21 de MAYO #221
telefono: (056)09-8360545
(056)(052)225020
P.D.: La información por favor enviemela en Español. (Si se puede). Si no
pueden ayudarme le agradeceria que me dieran informacion de otro lugar donde
pueda acudir para comprar este hardware(e-mail, HTTP, telefono).
Your office software vendor has been found guilty of monopolistic business
practices, so...
"You must ask yourself 'What would Jesus do?'"
He'd ditch MS-Office and boot up WordPerfect, of course!
(Sorry - couldn't resist... So the rumor that Bill Gates is the Second
Coming isn't true?)
---
>
>Jesus needs WordPerfect 5.1. Can you help him out? Please reply to Jesus
>directly.
>
Bill Richman
http://incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r
(Home of the COSMAC Elf
microcomputer simulator!)
