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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 13, Charles P. Hobbs (SoCalTip) wrote: > This was a rather neat little graphics terminal (CRT). You could draw all > sorts of shapes on the screen by issuing commands such as "Square > 0,0,10,10" or "Line 4,4,20,20", etc. Cool! > They were pretty exciting back in 1984 or so (when I first saw one), but > probably long since outdone by VGA/SVGA graphics ... ...but since VGA/SVGA graphics are usually attached to PeeCees, I'd take the 4107 any day. ;) -Dave McGuire Happy with 960 MFLOPS on an SGI Max Impact Unhappy with PCs ...and finally getting over this damned cold.

25 years, 11 months

Home network routing setup

by sms＠antinode.org

From: "Shawn T. Rutledge" <rutledge(a)cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com> > On Wed, Apr 12, 2000 at 10:38:12PM -0500, Eros, Anthony wrote: > > I'd like to set up more of my systems in a home network environment, but I > > don't really properly understand routing and am looking for some help. > > [...] > > So, any suggestions on how I should set up the two NICs on the Alpha under > > NT 4.0? > > May be possible with NT but this is screaming for Linux... what you need > is IP masquerading, which will let all the machines hide behind one IP > address, that of the gateway machine. [...] Or a suitable cable modem/router. I have DSL service using a Cisco 675, routing, with a single IP address. It can do DHCP, but I don't use it. I set static NAT entries for the popular ports to pass through to my AlphaStation (running VMS), which acts as the (only) server. Everyone else on the home network has a static (internal-only) IP address (10.0.0.*) and gets client access to the network using the Cisco box's dynamic NAT, so I can do Web browsing from my Mac Plus, if I wish. What's your box, and what can it do? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda (+1) 651-699-9818 (voice, home) 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 763-781-0308 (voice, work) Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 (+1) 763-781-0309 (facsimile, work) sms(a)antinode.org sms(a)provis.com (work)

25 years, 11 months

FW: SMD drives available.

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Any list members near Kent, UK? The fellow who wrote the attached message has some nice Fujitsus available. Please reply directly to him if interested. Attachment follows. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:22:35 +0000, in comp.sys.dec you wrote: >>Hello. >>I have three pairs of SMD drives available. they are Fujitsu >>M2344K (690MB) and each pair is fitted into a 19" rackmount >>tray 3U high. I have all of the slidemounts and frontplates >>and also some cables too. all of the drives spin-up O.K. and >>become ready, and until a few days ago they were fitted into >>a Sequent Minicomputer. The system was last used a month ago, >>and has now been removed from service. the system dates from >>1990 and has had minimal use for the past five years. so the >>drives should be good for a few years yet. I'm open to offers >>on these drives, as I haven't got a clue what they're worth. >>Be warned though, they are big and heavy, and I'm in North >>Kent U.K. and they'll need to be collected, although, if >>you're local (within a couple of hundred miles) I may be able >>to deliver. >> >>please e-mail or fax if you're interested. All The Best. >>-- >>Tim Bluck. TB565 http://www.planet-tharg.demon.co.uk >>'Phone.01322-409955 Fax. 01322-410111 Dartford. Kent. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies -- kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech [dot] com Web: http://www.bluefeathertech.com "...No matter how we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them..."

25 years, 11 months

Fw: Sony microcomputer

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Here's another computer up for sell. Good Luck John ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Johnsen <pjj(a)sgi.com> To: <jrkeys(a)concentric.net> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 11:11 AM Subject: Sony microcomputer > Hello, > > Saw the write-up in the Pioneer Press about > your collection. I have a circa 1982 Sony > SMC-70 CP/M machine I'd like to part with and > I was wondering if you might be interested in > buying it. > > No manuals but it does boot from ROM and runs > Basic just fine. > > Peter > > > -- > Peter Johnsen Tel 651-683-5462 > Applications Engineer FAX 651-683-7482 > SGI pjj(a)sgi.com > 655F Lone Oak Drive > Eagan, MN 55121 USA > -------------------------------------------------------- >

25 years, 11 months

Scanning out-of-print books and documentation

by rmeenaks＠olf.com

Hi, I want to start scanning some of the transputer books and manuals that I have. A lot if not all are out-of-print. If I scan them and put them on the net, do I have to worry about copyright laws, etc. Would I get into any trouble?? What is the current policy on this?? I know several of you guys scanned several books/documentation/manuals etc for various machines. Any help in this would be appreciated. Oh, what about old software too. Thanks. Ram

25 years, 11 months

A disturbing conversation about documentation

by spc＠armigeron.com

While not exactly on topic for this list, it does have some relavance I think. I just got done talking with a friend about the lack of documentation in this industry. I mentioned the arguments I thought for it: the ``our competition will steal our ideas'' or ``our hardware/software is so bad we don't want anyone to know about it.'' My friend had another reason: companies are afraid to release documentation because most of it is inaccurate, incomplete, confusing, or just doesn't exist within the company. Or their products use third party vendor parts that themselves, are not documented or require thick layers of NDAs to even see (``I work here and I was told to get a copy of our business procedures.'' ``Are you a manager?'' ``No. I'm an engineer.'' ``Then I'm sorry, but you are not allowed to see our business procedures.'' ``But I work here!'' ``I'm sorry, but they're proprietary, and with proper management approval, you can't have them.'' ``But I was told I have to follow them!'' ``Yes, you do.'' ``But what are they?'' ``I'm sorry, but that's proprietary information.'') My friend even went on to relate a story that happened within his company: FRIEND: Yes, I'd like to use our XYZ chip. COW-ORKER: I'm sorry, but the engineer responsible for the XYZ chip died last year and no one knows how it works or even how to make it anymore. FRIEND: There was no documentation? COW-ORKER: Hahahahahahaha! You haven't worked here that long, have you? -spc (We're doomed! We're doomed I say!)

25 years, 11 months

DEC blanket permission was: Re: Scanning out-of-print books and documentation

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Apr 12, 12:45, Pat Barron wrote: > On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, Roger Ivie wrote: > > > > One document that I'm fairly certain is not covered by the blanket permission > > is a copy of the MSCP specification (!) that I have tucked away in a drawer > > somewhere. Is DEC still making MSCP hardware? Everything I've used > > recently has been SCSI. > > > > This is from John Wilson's FTP site, at > ftp://ftp.dbit.com/pub/pdp8/doc/README: > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > >From the January 1985 Software Documentation Products Directory (EJ-26361-78), > first page: > > 3. RIGHT TO COPY > > Beginning January 1, 1985, Digital customers are given a right to copy, at > no charge, any Digital Archival Software Documentation Publication > (excluding restricted or third party owned) that we no longer offer for > sale. However, the copyright is retained as the exclusive property of > Digital Equipment Corporation. > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > I'm pretty sure the MSCP spec would have fallen under "restricted" ... I'm not at all sure it is. My copy is "MSCP Basic Disk Functions Manual AA-L619A-TK Version 1.2 A part of UDA50 Programmer's Doc. Kit QP-905-GZ", and it has no restrictions indicated, apart from the usual copyright notice (1982). On the other hand, Sections 6.1, 6.2, 6.6, and 6.10 are listed in the table of contents as "This section deliberately omitted" :-) I think the Doc Kit was just two parts. Anyone know for sure? The other part I have is "Storage Systems Diadnostics and Utility Protocol AA-L620A-TK Version 1.2 A part of UDA50 Programmer's Doc. Kit QP-905-GZ". -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

25 years, 11 months

stibitz.adder

by hallsf＠alfredtech.edu

For the heck of it, I've tried to design an electro-mechanical binary adder that can automatically do the carry of the one that arises in 1 + 1 = 10. Of course, you reply, "George Stibitz's already did that in 1937 as you see here..." http://www.toronto-montessori.on.ca/bsutherland/electricity/stibitz.html But hey: this is retrocomputing, after all, and I'm not trying to duplicate Stibitz--my aim is to come up with an electro-mechanical binary adder architecture that's even simpler than his 2 switches, 2 bulbs, 2 batteries, and 2 relays version. I think I've done it using 3 switches, 4 bulbs, and 1 battery. Yes, still eight components but because it lacks the relays, I think it's definitely simpler and therefore a kind of retro-breakthrough. And yes, mine does carry the one for 1 + 1 = 10. Feel free to try building this (or better it if you can with even fewer components). But I do have a stupid question for everyone that exposes the holes in my education: if my adder can successfully do all of the below calculations but no more 0 + 0 = 0 0 + 1 = 1 0 + 10 = 10 0 + 11 = 11 1 + 0 = 1 1 + 1 = 10 1 + 10 = 11 10 + 0 = 10 10 + 1 = 11 11 + 0 = 11 have I constructed a 1-bit binary adder or a 2-bit binary adder? Thanks, S.F. Hall

25 years, 11 months

Dallas battery replacement -- what is it?

by kla＠helios.augustana.edu

Forgive me for asking, but would someone please reply OFFLINE to me with an answer to this question -- what is this Dallas battery replacement that a bunch of notes were about? I somehow missed (did not read) the start of it, and just to educate my mind (put it at rest), I would like to know what you are in fact talking about. Why should I know about this? Thank you. Cheers. Kevin * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Kevin L. Anderson Ph.D., Geography Department, Augustana College Rock Island, Illinois 61201-2296, USA phone: (309) 794-7325 e-mail: kla(a)helios.augustana.edu -or- gganderson(a)augustana.edu * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Opinions expressed here are my own and do not represent the administration of Augustana College.

25 years, 11 months

OT Comments -- Unix documentation / speed question

by kla＠helios.augustana.edu

This is clearly off-topic compared to 10-year+ old computers, so reply off-line if so inclined. (An observation -- since this list moved to its new site, the topics of discussion, plus the volume, has clearly taken a turn -- much for off-topic notes, such as my own, plus much more opinionated notes. A trend I've observed on other lists that moved their location. I wonder why that is so....) My few opinions include: While I was never a VMS or other DEC programmer, and hence never saw the "orange" or "gray" walls of documentation, I was for a time a Sun/Unix programmer. So I did see Sun's "green and white" wall of SunOS documentation -- about 3-4 four feet long of four- inch binders. It was a very good resource that was quickly augmented by a selected few Unix administration third-party books. With later version of SunOS, as well as the early Solaris releases, this same material was on a CD as postscript files -- another useful source (their so-called AnswerBook, which I never did actually install per se, but just read it directly using pageview PS viewing software). They mucked it up however with the release of Solaris 2.6, changing the AnswerBook format and making it much less useful. At the same time they significantly modified the Unix install procedure, using instead of a quick-loading mini-root from CD a very slow loading graphic shell -- yuck. Moves by Sun that I was thrilled about, despite their making Solaris cheaper for so- called developers. I have RedHat Linux 6 and I am not happy. I was very dismayed to see how big the loaded version was, which very quickly filled 400+ MB of material onto my 540MB hard drive with just basic stuff, and it seems to run slow to boot (including very slow to boot-up). In contrast, when I earlier played with FreeBSD (2.2.5), that seemed to be a lean and mean, fast running system on a comparable 486-33 that I have the Linux on. Software bloat is most definitely an issue -- and unless you REALLY KNOW Unix, it is tough (like for Win9x) to know which files can be trimmed away. And reliance on package installs/removes doesn't help, as they don't tell you of Unix dependencies in their documentation, hence a growing problem like for WinDoze. Not good I think. Now to my question -- Has anyone actually done an speed comparison between Linux, FreeBSD, and NetBSD? My impression (from limited exposure) is that BSD-based kernel versions run much faster (and are generally smaller in size) than comparable SYS-V or Linux systems. That comment stems from comparisons of SunOS and Solaris on comparable Sun systems, followed by FreeBSD and Linux on comparable 486 systems. In particular, I would like to know how FreeBSD compares to the more open (cross-platform) implementation in NetBSD. This is clearly off-topic, so reply offline. Thanks. Cheers. Kevin * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Kevin L. Anderson Ph.D., Geography Department, Augustana College Rock Island, Illinois 61201-2296, USA phone: (309) 794-7325 e-mail: kla(a)helios.augustana.edu -or- gganderson(a)augustana.edu * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Opinions expressed here are my own and do not represent the administration of Augustana College.

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