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Large (?) DEC 2000/x cache in Boston

by fdebros＠verizon.net

Folks, I have the spring cleaning derwish on my back: I have about 8 decstation 2000/x most of them loaded with ram! plus monitors plus cables, kbds, tapes, cdroms and networking and of course expansion boxen to get rid of plus 3 vlc4000 and manuals galore plus an infoserver vax and a vs3100...i think. These are located in downtown Boston. All would fit in a Suburban, just about. better in a van. the only rule: no cherry picking. Any interest now that the MIT swap is back on? Fred 617 723 5768 eves fcfs

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Front panel controller

by GOOI＠oce.nl

Alright, I am awake. Several of you are heading to bed ... I will give a short description of my project, then you can decide for yourself which way you want to go. Warning! Sort of longish reply ahead! My design consist of 2 boards, one is called "Core", the other "I/O". Both boards are almost Eurocard size. Power supply: only +5 Volts. Features of the Core board. --------------------------- Chips: 6809, 6821, 6850, 6264, 27128 and 27256, in words: the CPU is the 6809 which is a 8/16 bit quite powerful CPU which has good high-level language support (think of C), and you can read more abt the 6809 in an other recent thread. The 27128 is 16k EPROM at memory C000-FFFF, of which half is filled with a debug monitor and software to control the I/O board. The 27256 is 32k -optional- EPROM at 4000- BFFF. The 6264 is 8k RAM at 2000-3FFF. The 6821 (2x8bit I/O) forms the buffered interface to the I/O board(s). Last, the 6850 is the ACIA, which makes the serial (9600 Bd) connection to *any* host computer. On board level conversion makes it a true RS-232 port. The ACIA and the PIA are mapped in $0080-$00FF, that is legacy from the design around the 6802 (RealConsole Mk I). The serial port can be connected to a terminal (e.g. VT220) and you use the monitor to debug your own (assembler) programs. Or you connect the serial port to a PC, SUN workstation or whatever and control the "thing" via the serial port. My application for it is to control the I/O that drives LEDs and read switches from a home-brew console. I have made some patches in SIMH, and I can *boot* RT11 via my console as if were the real thing. See www.pdp-11.nl , click in the left menu on "homebrew PDP-11". On the opening page click in the top section on "SIMH software", "new design" and "action!" for more ... Features of the I/O board. -------------------------- The I/O board has 3 LS138 (1 to 8 decode chips) and octal latches (373 and 374). One I/O board can have up to *eight* 8-bit output ports and *eight* 8-bit input ports, thus there is on one I/O board 64 outputs and 64 input available, enough to drive a full PDP-11/70 console. The I/O board is connected to the Core board with a simple 20-wire flat cable. If what you want to control is bigger, or perhaps totally different, you can cascade (theoretically) up to 8 I/O boards by just running that flatcable from I/O board to I/O board. A single jumper on the I/O board settles the addressing issues. The practical limit of I/O boards is six (due to fan-out load issues), but if you insist and go outside specifications I guess you could get away with 7 I/O boards. Applications for the Core and I/O board. - First, the mentioned console, but *NOT* limited to PDP-xx/xx consoles! Think of the IBM S3; not a small one, but it can be connected. The console can be home made, but if you have a *real* console laying around, that can be connected too! (I'd prefer a real console to go with a real machine tough ...) - Why limit to "blinkenlights" consoles? You can just as easy connect it to the more modern console like the 11/34 or 11/60 ! The control of the 7-segment displays is of course in software not with hex to 7 segment decoder chips! - Use some I/O to make a parallel I/O port (if you need it). I am not sure if the speed will be sufficient to connect an IDE drive (in PIO mode 1), but that is something I intend to try ... - Whatever project to wanted to do! There is enough I/O capability ... The monitor software is described on the site mentioned. If you know the Motorola Mikbug monitor, this will look familiar. The RealConsole software controls the I/O ports. The input ports are read periodically in an interrupt service routine. The *debounced* data >from the switches is stored in memory locations, so your application can read the switches from those memory locations. Several "hooks" (in fact small subroutines) allow you to control any bit of any output port. There are a few 'special' routines to handle the issues involved with momentary push-buttons, toggles. A depressed toggle and then released would mean that in memory that specific bit would be set for a brief moment and then be reset. To solve that issue, you can specify via a hook on which input port(*s*), which bit(*s*) are connected to toggles. Those bits are processed differently. Once set (by pressing the toggle) that bit remains set until you command (an other hook) to return to zero. So, you can process each toggle when you want, and when that is actually done you reset the "toggle". Some "higher" level commands are e.g. "Axxxxx" where the "x" is a hex number. This command will put xxxxx on the Address LEDs. Likewise, there is a "Dxxxx" command. You figure out what it does :-) Project status -------------- The project was ready to go manufacture the lay-out PCB set prototype tpo build it and check if it does not contain errors. This week I am working on the "upgrade" from the 6802 to the 6809 CPU, because of its better availability. Performance improvement etc. are a nice side effect of this move. When the prototype is checked (within one month), the board sets are "mass produced" in the US. Silkscreened, solder mask, etc. - professional quality. To keep those costs low, it takes 5 weeks to get them made. (could be done in a few days, but don't ask what the compay charges!) You can order the board set (or more I/O Boards than Core boards) either bare, or together with the "difficult" chips, or as a complete kit that contains all components. I am not going to make much profit on it, but when more people join the bigger discount we can get on the parts! For those who rather not solder the boards, I am prepared to do that work and test them (for a fee though). I will write a "manual" that described the software, give a step-by-step DYI building the boards (with fotographs), connection diagrams, multiple I/O Board configuration plus the fan-out load calculations. >From my site you can download the software source code and the changes made to the current version of SIMH. Believe me, I am dedicated to this project! As Vince said, he did the PCB design and solved the routing issues. We try to buy the parts as cheap as possible, so those will probably be bought in the US and not where I Live - The Netherlands. We are working on how to ship it all. It is a little stupid to ship many parts from US to Holland, assemble the kits, anmd the send back some 70% of it all to the US again ... If you have any questions regarding this project, ask! I will try to give an answer as good as I can, as soon as I can. I will help thinking about your specific application. For example, one guy asked for the possibility to connect an 8-bit input port directly to an 8-bit output port and use the combination as a bi-directional 8-bit port. The final idea was building a setup to test M-boards! (BTW, the answer is yes with a minor patch!) kind regards, - Henk, PA8PDP gooi(a)oce.nl

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Z8000 parts question

by David.Kane＠aph.gov.au

> > > Cameron, > > > Do you have any docs on the ICs used on this board? > > > > I'm not Cameron :-), but I have a 1983 Zilog Components Databook in my > > hand > > that has datasheets for all of these parts. > > What he said. ^_^ Any chance that the data book has a datasheet for the Z8016. I got some on ebay and I don't exactly know what they are. I think they are a some form of DMA chip as they are labelled Z-DTC, which I have read somewhere means DMA Transfer Controller. David

21 years, 10 months

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Sun Ultra 1 questions

by dave04a＠dunfield.com

>At the moment it's set to boot from the network - any idea how I can >interrupt that and get into the boot monitor in order to switch that >off? I think there's some key combination to do it from a keyboard, but >of course I don't have one handy at the moment - just the console. I don't know it it changed by the time of the Ultra, however I just "figured this out" for a Sparc-1 ... You hold down STOP+A (Press STOP and 'A' at the same time) while it powers up. Regards, -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Vintage computing equipment collector. http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html

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Morrow MD2

by scfarms＠socal.rr.com

I just saw a year old post where you were looking for a Morrow boot disk. I still have m y old MD2 and all the manuals and applications. (it doesn't run anymore--as I recall the drives gave out). If I can help you (and this reaches you) let me know. Don D O N A L D W . R I C K E T T S <http://home.socal.rr.com/scfarms/resume.html>Attorney at Law 28855 Kenroy Ave. Santa Clarita, CA 91387-1721 Phone (661) 250-3091 Fax: (661) 250-1767 E-Mail: scfarms(a)socal.rr.com ---------- Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer do not consent to Internet email for messages of this kind. ----------

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Z8000 data sheets posted

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

David Bryan has scanned the data sheets for the following Z8000 parts; CPU (1.1 MB), MMU (0.7 MB), SCC (0.9 MB), CIO (1.0 MB), CGC (0.3 MB). I've posted them on my website at <http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/zilog/>. Joe

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Z8000 parts question

by David.Kane＠aph.gov.au

Only a very minor detail, but I beleive that the certain Zilog chip designations also indicate the max clock speed. For instance the Z0800110PSC is a Z8001 (Z08001.. portion), with a max clock speed of 10MHz (..10.. portion), and the PSC indicates a palstic DIP package. So I would guess that the CPU, clock generator, and MMUs are 10MHz, and the Z-CIO is 6MHz. The Z-SCC is probably an older chip that predates the current Zilog chip designation standard. > Z0800110PCS CPU Central Processing Unit, 4.0 MHz segmented version (8 MB addressing). > Z08030AB1 Z-SCC Serial Communications Controller (dual channel), 6.0 MHz. > Z0803606PSC Z-CIO Counter/Timer and Parallel I/O Unit, 4.0 MHz. > Z0801010PSC Z-MMU Memory Management Unit, 4.0 MHz. > Z0858110PSC Clock Generator and Controller, 6.0 MHz. David

21 years, 11 months

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A little help from my friends...

by ron.hudson＠sbcglobal.net

Ok, perhaps this is on-topic because I am writing a program for (at first) an apple IIC+ I need names for 50 kinds of cargo for a SPACE TRADER game... stuff like "Military Electronics", "Computer Software" , "Industrial Gems" "Metal Ore","Dangerous Plants" (what? man eating?) My imagination gave out after the first 8-10 ...

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Helping a Neighbor - Need Syquest SyJet (IDE) Driver SQATDRVR.SYS (DOS)

by patrick＠vintagecomputermarketplace.com

I'm helping a neighbor who's helping a neighbor. He's trying to get a Syquest SyJet IDE drive running under DOS (the neighbor->neighbor has a bunch of DOS games she loves to play). Does anyone have a Syquest SyJet IDE driver for MS-DOS? After a bit of Googling, it would seem the file might be called SQATDRVR.SYS. It's possible to set the BIOS parameters so the drive can be seen/read that way, but cartridges can't be removed when it's done this way. Apparently the driver facilitates that. If there's an accompanying utility that mounts and/or dismounts the volume, I suppose it would be necessasry to have that too. TIA! --Patrick

21 years, 11 months

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Need help with Sparc-1 (SUN)

by dave04a＠dunfield.com

Hi Gang, Recently acquired an old Sun SPARCstation-1. It boots! - but I don't know the root password - Guy who gave it do me did so because he was moving, and I can't locate him now. Got Solaris 2.6 CD/docs with it, so I figured I'd just reinstall a fresh system. Can't get it to boot from CD. When I power on the system, hit STOP-A to get to the boot prompt, then do: boot sd(0,6,2) It thinks a while, then I see one access to the CD, and I get the message: (From memory so not exact quote but pretty close): "The magic character in the label is incorrect. The file loaded, but it does not appear to be executable". Tried everything I can think of, but this is the only response I am able to get which involves any CD activity at all. Same procedure works perfectly on a Sparc-2 - boots right up off the CD. I'm assuming that this CD works on the Sparc-1, because A) it came from the same source at the same time (not a guarantee), and B) It's GOT Solaris 2.6 already booting on it (I just can't login) - I'm guessing that it was installed from this CD. Also tried a Solaris 2.7 CD that I have onhand - exactly the same result. Anyone have any insight to offer? Regards, Dave Dunfield -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Vintage computing equipment collector. http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html

21 years, 11 months

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midiboard

by synthesis＠telia.com

Hello- Do you still own a MIDIBoard? Still having trouble with it? Regards Michael Bransome

21 years, 11 months

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Driver downloads

by vcf＠siconic.com

Patrick, Try DriverGuide: http://www.driverguide.com They fool you into registering (I always use fake info to avoid spam) but they have one generic login/password for all users: Login: drivers Password: all Keep this handy. I usually find what I need there. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

21 years, 11 months

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QBUS block mode timing question

by vax3900＠yahoo.com

When the bus master requests block mode DMA, it inserts BS7 when inserting the first DIN. If the slave is capable of block mod DMA, it inserts REF when inserting RPLY. The master removes BS7 when inserting the last DIN to finish the block mode DMA. My question is, what will happen if the master finishes the DMA cycle early? The same question is, what will happen if the master keeps BS7 inserted when inserting the last DIN? Will the slave malfunction? It seems a small violation of the protocol. It seems the bus master needs to predict the availability of Data otherwise. Thanks. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/

21 years, 11 months

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Need help with Sparc-1 (SUN)

by dave04a＠dunfield.com

Hi Joe, >>Recently acquired an old Sun SPARCstation-1. >>Can't get it to boot from CD. > A lot of the older SGIs and Suns required that the CD drive DEFAULT to >512 bytes/block or else they won't work. The newer systems issue a SCSI >command to the drive to set it to 512 bytes/block but the older ones didn't >issue the command and if the drive didn't default to that then you wouldn't >work. On some drives like the Toshiba 3401s you could change the jumpers >to control the number of bytes/block that it defaulted to. Just a quess >but I could be completely wrong. Thanks! That was exactly the problem. Dug around in my parts and found a Toshiba 3401 and cut the required traces to make it default to 512 byte blocks, and the machine booted right up - installing from the CD as I type (and it looks like it going to take a while....) Regards, Dave -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Vintage computing equipment collector. http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html

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Z8000 parts question

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Today I found a big stack of computer cards with Z8000 CPUs on them. The Z8000s are socketed and I planned on grabbing them. But I'm wondering if it's worth the trouble to take the related parts off? They're all soldered on so they'd take more work. Besides the Z0800110PCS CPU, the others are Z08030AB1 Z-SCC, Z0803606PSC Z-CIO, Z0801010PSC Z-MMU and Z0858110PSC. Any thoughts on this? Joe

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soldering iron & advice for magnifier

by swtpc6800＠comcast.net

I have been using a Metcal soldering station for over a year. (Model PS2E) My previous unit was a Weller WTCPN that I used for 20 years. The Weller is OK but nothing like the Metcal. The Metcal gets up to temperature fast (seconds), this means you can change tips for one solder connection. There is a rubber pad for removing hot tips. It also holds the temperature under heavy use. Get a Metcal. The Weller WTC series uses a magnetic tip to control temperature. When the magnet heats up it loses strength and the heater switch opens, when the magnet cools down the switch closes.. This works but it makes it difficult to solder jumpers to restore cuts in PCB traces. Capacitor leads are often made of steel. The lead wants to stick the tip. Another thing is the WTC irons produce a lot of electrical line noise as the heater power cycles. In the early 1980s we were designing a digital instrument that would reset (lockup) when used on the same power circuit as our soldering irons. Seeing as how most of our customers would have a soldering iron next to our unit we had to fix this. We rigged a Weller WTC soldering station with the iron replaced by a relay that cycled on and off as a noise generator. A power line filter on our instrument fixed the problem. Michael Holley www.swtpc.com/mholley

21 years, 11 months

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TCP/IP setup under Ultrix on an 11/84...

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

We have a usable RA81 drive for the PDP 11/84 now (whoo!) and stuck Ultrix (3.1.1) on there earlier. The machine has a DELUA Ethernet board in it - not the DEUNA or DEQNA boards mentioned in any of the docs that we have. Anyone know if the board is supported with that release of Ultrix? If so, presumably a kernel rebuild is needed to enable support as it won't be built into the installed kernel? We added in the optional TCP/IP code during system install, but info on the 'net as to how to get networking up and running on these machines seems very thin on the ground. I found the 'netsetup' script but of course that still doesn't give us an actual device in /dev for the board. Any ideas anyone? cheers Jules

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PDP8s for sale

by tandem＠comcast.net

Here's the list of stuff that I've got for sale. I'm located in the Kansas City, Missouri area (USA). If someone showed up with a truck & some cash, they could take it all for one price. I don't really know what this stuff is worth now, however I do remember how hard I had to scrounge to get stuff like this back in the 80s. So make me an offer. You pay all shipping costs. I'd rather not have to deal with international shipping, at least on any of the big stuff. I'd prefer to sell the 8/e complete, & the 8/a complete with the RXs. PDP8/e SN: 1654 date 7/26/71 Rack Mount M8330 \ M8310 > KK8-E M8300 / M849 EMI Shield G104 \ H619A > 4K Core Memory G227 / G104 \ H619A > 4K Core Memory G227 / M8320 Bus Loads The 2nd backplane & the bus jumpers are missing. All of the 8/e stuff above worked fine the last time I used it, however I haven't tested it lately. I do have 2 M837 KM8-E Extended Memory options, however they are bad & I never got around to fixing them (see below). The front panel is in very good condition, & the box is in good shape & complete, however the little plastic clips that hold the lid shut gave up long ago (typical), and the foam pieces inside the lid are somewhat rotted (also typical). _____________________________________________________ PDP8/a SN 02709 (in a BA500 box) Rack Mount M8315 KK8A CPU Board M8317 KM8-AA Option2: Mem Extention, time share, boot, power fail M8316 DKC8-AA Option1: front panel, serial I/O , parallel I/O, clock M8417-AB MS8-C MOS memory (32K) H219A \ MM8-AA 8K core memory (for the "core music") G649 / M8357 RX01 controller RX01-BA Dual RX01 drives The above PDP8/a & the RX01 drives worked fine the last time I used it. My VT52 died a few years ago, so it's been 10+ years since I've even powered it on. It has the simple front panel with the 3 switches. Hardware boots to the RX01. I also have the KC88 Indicator Display option (missing the bezel), however it doesn't work & needs repair. I have lots of RX01 disks, with OS/8, games, & a good selction of "core music". Maybe some diagnostics as well. Also a complete fortran set on 6 rx01s. (also have a nice selection of VAX 11/780 console floppies for use as blanks or scratch disks) Currently, I have both the PDP/8s & the RX01 mounted in a standard DEC 50" cabinet (24u). ----------------------------------- Documentation available: (2) PDP8/a Miniprocessor Users Manual (big book) PDP8/e Processor Maintenance Manual, Volume 1 (1976) PDP8/e Processor Maintenance Manual, Volume 1 (1972) (2) PDP8/e Internal Bus Options, Maint. Manual, Volume 2 PDP8/e External Bus Options, Maint. Manual, Volume 3 RK05 Disk Drive Maint. Manual LAB8/e Maint. Manual PC04/5 Maint. Manual DF32-D,E Maint. Manual DF32 Maint. Manual (for -8 & 8/I) (2) PC04/5 Paper Tape Reader/Punch Maint. Manual (2) OS/8 Handbook OS/8 Pocket Reference Card (3) PDP8/e Pocket Reference Card PDP8/e Instruction List Card (2)PDP8/e Small Computer Handbook PDP8/a Engineering Drawings (8A500) KC88 Indicator Display Engineering Drawings PDP8/e Engineering Drawings KM8E Memory Extention & Timeshare Engineering Drawings PC8/C Engineering Drawings KA8-E Positive I/O Bus Engineering Drawings (2) KP8-E Power Fail/Auto Restart Engineering Drawings KD8-E Data Break Engineering Drawings PC04/5 Paper Tape Reader/Punch Engineering Drawings LE8-O Line Printer Engineering Drawings ASR/KSR Teletype Wiring Diagram Package 3 trays of paper tape diagnostics, plus paper docs 13 boxes of 'new' paper tape - DEC brand -------------------------------------------- The following items are either "probably bad" or "definately bad" as they were removed from systems as bad during service calls over many years, & were later thrown away by the logistics guys. Most still have the red tags on them. (I worked for DEC Field Service '76 to '89). Field service repair was never an exact science, sometimes guesses were made, & some FEs liked the "shotgun approach" to repair, so some of these parts may be good. I don't have any way to test them, so they all have to be sold "as is." BA500 box, including backplane & power supply (PDP8/a) RX01 power supply - water damage (2) RX01 drives - water damage CMOS-8 WT78 motherboard, lightning damage. M7726 RX01 logic board M7727 RX01 r/w board - nasty brown spot M860 part of Real Time clock M866 DP8EA (5) M8653 KL8M (2) M837 KM8-E memory extention (2) M833 Old style 8/e timing board M832 old style 8/e Bus Loads M8330 newer 8/e timing bd (2) M849 PC8E M865 20ma console board M835 KA8-E Positive I/O bus M868 TD8-E M848 KP8-E Powerfail M841 LE8-A M8326 KD8E Data Break M884 KG8-E parity generator dectector H919 8/e backplane H9194 8/a backplane H219B/G650 16K core memory set H212 8K core board M8317 KM8-AA Option2: Mem Extention, time share, boot, power fail VT52 (complete, but dead) ----- Original Message ----- From: tandem To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 6:37 PM Subject: Re: PDP8s for sale I'm in the process of putting together a list of what I've got for sale. I'm in the Kansas City, Missouri area (USA). I've got a PDP8/e, and a PDP8/a with RX01s. Currently, all are rack mounted in a standard DEC 50" (24u) cabinet. I'll get back with the list soon. tm ----- Original Message ----- From: tandem To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 7:13 PM Subject: PDP8s for sale I have 2 complete, working PDP8s for sale to a good home. Is there a good place to list them? tm

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In Memoriam: Sipke de Wal

by waltje＠pdp11.nl

All, It is with great sadness that I have to announce the sudden and very untimely death of Sipke de Wal (the Xgistor) of Noordwijk, The Netherlands. After a brief period of dealing with an extremely malicious form of cancer, his body decided to give up late yesterday afternoon, May 13th, 2004. About 15 years ago, Sipke got me started in the PDP-11 collection "biz", when I had to get rid of my 11/40's, /34's and associated periphs. My uncle had a friend (Sipke) who'd probably take them, and, sure enough, he took them in. When I saw his place, filled with all sorts of old computers, I decided to "do that too when I grow up". I still have the MicroPDP-11 he gave me then. Last week, I got forwarded a message of one of his friends, asking for a new home for a (PDP-11) computer collection, because the owner had gotten seriously ill and had to let go. I was the first to respond, and "got" the collection. Sometime later, I started to realize that the list of equipment sounded familiar. When the intermediate friend told me that the owner lived in Noordwijk, all alarms went off. Some checking (I called his number) clarified things.. indeed, it was Sipke's collection, and he indeed was very ill. Still.. we hoped for some more time for goodbyes, a chat, and so on. I'll be taking care of his systems, which, as he put it, with a smile, "were kinda overdue in picking up, after 15 years!" Rust zacht, dear Sipke, and watch your blinkenlights go! Sipke's site is at http://xgistor.ath.cx/aboutme.htm. Fred -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://VAXlab.pdp11.nl/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje(a)pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Mountain View, CA, USA

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In Memoriam: Sipke de Wal

by GOOI＠oce.nl

Farewell, Sipke. Rest in peace, and laugh at us from above! - Henk.

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SPARC-5 memory?

by dave04a＠dunfield.com

Also got a SPARC-5 - indeterminate condition - no drives - no memory. Can anyone tell me what I need for memory in a SPARC-5? I know there are different versions of the S-5 - here is the info from the label on the bottom: Model number: 544, Service code; 55, PN: 600-3853-01 SN: 546F0085 The board has 8 168-pin DIMM sockets at the front lefthand side of the board (looking from top/front), and running parallel to the front of the machine. Physically, PC 168-pin DIMMS can "almost fit", but the notches are just slightly in the wrong place - I have no idea if they are electrically compatible or not (I'd guess not - I tried this just for physical comparison only). Regards, Dave -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Vintage computing equipment collector. http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html

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DEC RK07 drive interface specs wanted

by dave＠mitton.com

On 5/14/2004 12:01 PM -0500, cctech-request(a)classiccmp.org wrote: >Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 09:04:48 -0400 >From: Brad Parker <brad(a)heeltoe.com> >Subject: Re: DEC RK07 drive interface specs wanted > > >Paul Koning wrote: > >.... Again, a software emulation may not get there in time. > >Yes, agreed. My plan was to be able to have the cpld "hold off" the >unibus cpu until the micro could "get there in time" in the cases where >that was needed. This is the heart of the shared-register-file-interlock >issue. > > >You might try to cheat by holding off SSYN on the Unibus read until > >any pending CSR fixups are done, but then the microcontroller has a > >rather tight time limit (20 microseconds or so). > >:-) as Homer Simpson says, "good idea, boss!" > >My plan is to try and make that work. 20us is not a huge amount of time >but it is in the relm of the possible. Off the cuff I'd say it would be >tight for a 40mhz pic; it might be easier on an ARM7 with an fiq >interrupt. I plan to simulate the unibus hdl, figure out the window and >plan the micro and it's code around that window. > >-brad Another approach would be to wire the interface to address two different registers; one for read, a different one for write. (use the R/W line to select even/odd words) Still have latency issues, but less likely to show bad bit combinations. Dave.

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Z8000 parts question

by aek＠spies.com

If this is like my S8000 (model 30 I think) system, then yse, 1/4" cartridges, DC300s IIRC. I believe the format is 4 track QIC11. -- I don't think they had more than one kind of cart controller. Have you archived the tapes, or the eproms from your system? I know it's pointless to ask, since you don't have any way to copy them, but do you have the hardware manuals for any of the cards in the system other than the CPU (which I have scanned already)

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More DEC boards available

by anheier＠owt.com

I have the following DEC board for sale (best offer) or trade. They are all in reasonable shape, but are not guaranteed functional. M7521 AA - ETHERNET L UNIBUS (2) M7486 - UDA50 CONTROLLER MODULE M7485-YA -M7485 W/ BLSTD RMS 4 LYR UDA50 (2) M8750-CJ- MEMORY (2) M7199-AF- MS750-J 4 MB MEMORY, HEX L0002-DATAPATH & MICROQUENCER (2) ComDesign -#010231- (?) Thanks Norm

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Altos 686

by dave04a＠dunfield.com

>My 586 ran _Microsoft_ Xenix as indicated all through the binaries. It was a pretty >impressive box, with support for five users on dumb terminals, with an 8086 processor >and only 512K of RAM. Sometimes I wish I had held onto it just as concrete evidence >that _Microsoft_ produced an authentic Unix port. So many people try to hand credit >off to SCO. (deep hatred of Microsoft can lead to that kind of thing) > >Does your machine have a bunch of DB25 jacks on it for multiple terminals? > >I also once had an Altos 580, which was in a case identical in some respects to the >586, except it was an 8080 machine with similar terminal ports, and ran CP/M. I had several Nabu 1200's, a Canadian built machine which was also an 8086 with 512K of RAM - 4 serial ports. Also ran Microsoft XENIX. Actually, you could run CP/M 86, QNX (a Canadian nix-alike) or Xenix - Xenix was the only one of the three which required an optional external (to the CPU) memory management unit board. I still have 1/2 of a Nabu - the machine consisted of two parts, a DISK unit which held the hard drive, WD controller and an 80-track floppy drive, and the CPU unit which sat on top. I got one of my CPU units back, however the disk unit is remaining elusive. If you are interested, you can view the CPU unit (inside and out) at my web page (see sig). Regards, Dave-- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Vintage computing equipment collector. http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html

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DEC 11-750 boards available

by anheier＠owt.com

I have some Vax 11-750 boards available for sale. They are all in reasonable shape, but are not guaranteed functional. They are as follows: L0001 L0002 L0003 L0004 (2 each) L0008 YA (2 each) L0010 L0022 (2 each) I would like $15 each or $125 for all of them + shipping Let me know if you are interested. Thanks Norm

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In Memoriam: Sipke de Wal (collection disposition)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 14, 15:48, Jay West wrote: > > P.S. Ok, Brits and others, what's IANAS ? > IANAL = I am not a lawyer > IANAS = I am not a solicitor > > british("lawyer") = solicitor Well, we have always used the term "lawyer" as well. A solicitor is a particular kind of lawyer (and there's a difference between Scotland and England). But in this context, yes, it would be a solicitor who would handle wills and the like. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Front panel controller

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 14, 15:52, Brad Parker wrote: > > "vrs" wrote: > >> > TQFP-144...I guess I could figure out how to attach > >> > that to my homemade > >> > PCB...something tells me you have way nicer tools > >> > than I do. > >> > > >> http://www.seattlerobotics.org/encoder/200006/oven_art.htm > >> It works, according to my own XC95144XL (TQ100) > >> experience. > > > >I'd heard of that, but haven't had the need/guts to try it yet. > > I draw the line at 100 pins and use a hot air rework tool :-) I don't have a proper SMD hot air fab/rework station (though I know a man who does). I do have a thermostatically-controlled hot air gun, and I've used that for a few jobs. One was almost on-topic: I removed two DRAMs from a DIMM and put them on a special one for my 486 laptop, which didn't have enough memory to even install an old Linux distro. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Z8000 parts question

by aek＠spies.com

> I've got one. I'm not sure if it's working, but it's complete. I also > have the install tapes (I believe). No manuals though... I just put the S8000 CPU Board manual up at www.bitsavers.org/pdf/zilog/S8000/03-3200-01_S8000cpuHw_Sep82.pdf I'll work through some others that i've scanned in the next week or two. Getting the tapes read would be a good thing. 1/4" carts?

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In Memoriam: Sipke de Wal

by f.heite＠hccnet.nl

>From: "Fred N. van Kempen" >It is with great sadness that I have to announce the sudden and very >untimely death of Sipke de Wal (the Xgistor) of Noordwijk I'm very sorry to read that Sipke is no longer with us. About two years ago, he revived my interest in the old SC/MP processor. He was very kind and patient when helping me to get his SC/MP emulator running on my system. Freek Heite.

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OT: Surface mount

by jpl15＠panix.com

I used to be quite disdainful / semi-scared-of SMD tech - until I designed a project for work which needed to use it and Marvin Johnston kicked my butt into working with the stuff. In addition to all the other items - I use a fine-tipped Weller adjustable iron, and I bought a nice binocular low-power microscope to work under - my past-half-century eyes need a bit of help with the tiny parts. I also use Eagle Cad for design and layout - such a long way from the tape and cut days of Xacto knives and transfer letters. All in all, I enjoy it very much, the things I'm building are postage-stamp size, and a huge parts inventory can be kept in one small set of plastic bin drawers... Cheers John

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cctalk Digest, Vol 9, Issue 25

by mtapley＠swri.edu

> I need names for 50 kinds of cargo for a SPACE TRADER game... > My imagination gave out after the first 8-10 ... AOL Subscription CD's. -- - Mark 210-522-6025, page 888-733-0967

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DEC RK07 drive interface specs wanted

by fm.arnold＠gmx.net

cctech-request(a)classiccmp.org schrieb am 12.05.2004: >Message: 24 >Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 17:12:00 +0200 >From: Jochen Kunz <jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> >Subject: DEC RK07 drive interface specs wanted >To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >Message-ID: <20040512171200.274707e7.jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >Hi. > >All this talk about frontpanel emulators... They are exciting... > >So I have this (mostly) working PDP-11/34, my one and only UniBus >machine. It came with a RK07 drive. But the system was stored under bad >conditions for years. There is rust and corrosion _everywhere_. The >machine works so far but the drive is quite rotten. I have no other >UniBus disk drive interfaces so I need either a new RK07 (unlikely) or >a replacement for the entire conroler / drive combination or: > >What about a RK07 drive emulating hardware? >A microcontroler with some TTLs to interface to the RK611 controler on >one side and a compact FLASH card on the other. Maybe cache RAM in front >of the FLASH to reduce write cycles to the FLASH. 32 MB is enough for a >RK07 disk, even if the emulator stores raw data including all sector >headers / trailers. > >Problem: Exact and detaild specs of the RK611 <=> RK0[67] interface. >I found some hints in the "RK06/RK07 Disk Drive User's Manual" but not >enough to build a new drive from scratch. Any pointers? > > >tsch??, >Jochen > Hi Jochen, A solid state disc would be a great solution, however, wouldn't it be a better (more general) aproach to work right off the unibus? That would help anyone that -like me- has a unibus-cpu with nothing else attached to it. If you have (?) the scematics of the RK611, how much work would it be to put this into a fpga-design and add connect this to a (better four) CF-card socket(s) Then a cheap 32mb CF card would become a RK07+ media... If you follow the RK611-design, there is no bothering about driver issues, just a patch to the block-count to get those extra 4 megs of a 32m CF-card. A project like this would be a perfect entry for the VCFE of next year, isn't it? (Hurry up, only 50 weeks left! :-)) ) Greetings, Frank

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IDEA - Collector interest database

by wacarder＠usit.net

Has anyone on here ever thought about putting up a site that documents the collector interest or areas of specialty for the folks who visit here? If this sounds like a good idea, I'll create a site and host it. It could have things like a "wish list", "current inventory", "items for trade/sale", etc. I know some of this type of thing exists elsewhere, such as on Sellam's VCM site, but I haven't seen a place where I can go to find individuals who have specific computers, parts, wants, etc. Other ideas and opinions are welcome. If this kind of thing already exists, just enlighten me as to where it is located. Ashley

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Optical mouse pad

by allain＠panix.com

>> What type of mouse do you have? > Yes, that was my first question too: > "an optical pad for what kind of mouse?". I had responded to Tom U. offline: > Mouse Systems m4 (on a Sun) John A.

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OT: Any PHP gurus? I have a question...

by vcf＠siconic.com

Are there any hardcore PHP gurus out there that can help me with an unusual PHP construct (converting an array into a list of elements to pass as parameters into a function)? Please e-mail me privately. Thanks! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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HP BPC description

by aek＠spies.com

I've just uploaded a scan of the 9845 assembler development rom which describes the BPC (among other things..) http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/hp/98xx/09845-91083_asmDevRom_Mar80.pdf

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VMS 5.5_2 Help

by karamatk＠isb.paknet.com.pk

Hi Hi i came across searching VMX 5.5-2. there i found your contact. I need these manuals.if you please can provide me these manuals i wll be thankful.Regards,Karamat Ali Khan. I came across these DEC VAX manuals while looking for something else. Am not selling, but will provide information from these if needed non-commercially. DECserver 300 RF30 / RF71 R215F KFQSA BA46 RRD42 StorageWorks family user guide VMS 5.5-2 release notes VMS 5.5 upgrade

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last of the Hyperion picture links

by brianmahoney＠look.ca

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Need Info On an Old 386 Motherboard

by gsutton9503＠wavecable.com

I'm looking for a manual and other info on this old 386 motherboard that I am trying to build into a working DOS 6.22/WfW 3.11 system for playing old games and to play around with DOS TCP/IP networking. The board, according to the BIOS string, is from Wintac-Edom (The BIOS string is: E0X3-1379-083090-K0 Beyond that, I can't seem to find any other info on this, as there are no other identifying markings that I can find. Here's a pic of the board... http://webpages.charter.net/scarletdown/Geekworks/GKW-Edom-MB-0.JPG Anyway, I currently have it set up with a VGA card, a 16-bit MIO card, Adaptec AHA 1542CF SCSI adapter, Databook PCMCIA card reader, PnP Soundblaster, 3Com EtherLink III 3c509 NIC, SCSI CD-ROM drive, 210MB Hard drive as the master drive, 1.5GB hard drive set as slave (will put EZ-BIOS on it shortly to make it useable on this old board), 386/DX-25 (or 33, I don't remember at the moment which) CPU, and 8MB of RAM in the form of 8 1MB 30 Pin SIMMs). So, when I boot up, she goes through the memory test, then the SCSI card does its self-test. After that, I get an error about the hard drive (this is because I haven't set either drive up yet), and am given the option to hit F1 to go to setup. Well, when I go into BIOS setup, everything freezes on me, no response at all from the keyboard, and all I can do is hit reset or power down. Odd thing is, though; I can boot up with a DOS floppy and access the C drive just fine, though the D drive is not yet visible of course. What would be causing this freezeup when I go to BIOS setup? And, where can I find a manual for this board? Thanks

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Need Help On a PDP 11/60

by g-wright＠att.net

Hi Everyone I have some (3) PDP 11/60's that I'm trying to get running. I did manage to get all of the Power supplies going, removed all of the cards and cleaned them. check the cable routing and power supply voltages. I have got the LA-01 and TE-10's running. These systems have been setting since 1986. I do have All zeros in the console display. No other console lights come on ???? . no responce from any keyed input. The Memory cards all have power LEDS turned on (m7984 Mos) The Memory controller has a LED but it's off ?? (M7983) These are from a large test system and each has 5 to 6 cabinets. So in time I want to trim these down to the Base double wide corp. cabinet only. It looks like the board label on top of each card cage matches the cards. I believe the grant cards are all there where needed. Most of the slots in the 2 main card cages are full. The memory back plane does not have grant cards in the open slots and from the manuals I have, this looks correct ?? The question for now is what do the LEDs on the M7878 (11/60 status card, all on) and M7872 (11/60 micro word card, all but the top 3 are on) stand for or tell you. I do not have any manuals on the cards and a quick search did not turn up much. I posted this yesterday and it did not show up so this is a second post. so if you see 2 of these you know why. Yes, I might need help with my power bill also. Thanks, Jerry Jerry Wright JLC inc g-wright(a)worldnet.att.net

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Need listmember info...

by pat＠computer-refuge.org

If anyone can provide me with Dan Cohoe's phone number I would really apprecate it. I need to give him a call about meeting up with him in Dayton, but have managed to discard my copy of his phone number. Thanks to anyone who can help, Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCS --- http://www.itap.purdue.edu/rcs/ The Computer Refuge --- http://computer-refuge.org

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Pro-Log M422 4040/4004 System Analyzer

by bill＠timeguy.com

I found this little gem while excavating in the back warehouse of an electronics surplus company while on vacation recently. I'm guessing that it's pretty rare. Lots of blinky-lights and toggle switches! It looks like it's almost brand new. Now I just have to dig up my 4004 CPU and build something around it so I can try this thing out. Anybody have any information about it? The closest I came was http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw/j-boards.shtml, about the 5th entry up from the very bottom. Looks almost identical, but is apparently for the 8080...

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PDP8s for sale

by tandem＠comcast.net

I'm in the process of putting together a list of what I've got for sale. I'm in the Kansas City, Missouri area (USA). I've got a PDP8/e, and a PDP8/a with RX01s. Currently, all are rack mounted in a standard DEC 50" (24u) cabinet. I'll get back with the list soon. tm ----- Original Message ----- From: tandem To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 7:13 PM Subject: PDP8s for sale I have 2 complete, working PDP8s for sale to a good home. Is there a good place to list them? tm

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Computer Estate( and collecting)

by cb＠mythtech.net

>And dont forget all the beer and snacks you need to get your friends >in order for them to come over and (help you) fix the damn things..! I guess the amount of beer and snacks depends on which "things" they are helping you fix. I'd think it will take more beer to get them to help you fix the horse. :-) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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finds from TRW Swapmeet (AKA Northrup Grumman swap meet) today

by rwhulvey＠broadcom.com

Very interesting to see RH32 in the swap meet. I worked some on verification boards for RH32 in '93 and again in '95. Sounds like the board you have was made after I left in '95, since it includes Orca FPGAs which I don't think came about until after that time. We mostly used Actel FPGAs when I was there. It was a fault-tolerant design which was supposed to detect a fault, then back up and start re-executing code prior to the fault. The boards I worked on had only 1 CPU chip, 2 MMUs (for for instructions (IMMU) and 1 for operands (OMMU)), and a connector for an SCU (I forget what that was ... system control unit?) daughtercard, as well as an FPU (floating point unit) daughtercard. I think it was designed to support multiprocessor configs, but we only tested single-processor, as we were bringing it up for the 1st time. As I recall, RH32 was started around '88, supposed to complete around '91, but was about 2 years late in '93 when I started working there. I think it was finally announced in '98: http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m0EKF/n2232_v44/21034857/p1/article.jhtml There were also efforts by IBM to make silicon-on-saphire versions of their RISC System 6000 CPUs which supposedly did not need the explicit hardware fault tolerance used in RH32, since the process was inherently resistant to radiation induced faults. I don't know if it was ever shown to work well. Seems to be a lot of info on the 'net about compiling code for RH32, and even references to it in source files. I guess they ported Linux to the thing long after I had left. I recall TRW contracted Green Hills Software to make tools for it. -Rob Hulvey

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Interesting robot

by vcf＠siconic.com

Has anyone else seen this? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3814127711&sspagena… A very interesting home-brew mechanical robot from the 1960s. Less than 9 hours left as of this writing. Perhaps someone local can purchase and preserve it? I'm trying to find a museum somewhere that can take it. Perhaps Ed Sharpe can find a way to acquire it? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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Apple mouse

by mtapley＠swri.edu

My 512K Mac has the squarer connector (although the Mac itself has been upgraded to a Plus). But I don't think it has the little Mouse icon on the connector - I'll have to check that. I could also check mouse serial number, etc. if it will help. Not sure I still have serial number for the computer, as that may have gone with the original back part of the housing. At 18:43 -0500 5/12/04, Marvin Johnston wrote: >Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 09:56:46 -0700 >From: Marvin Johnston <marvin(a)rain.org> >Subject: Re: Apple mouse > > >Michael Fincham wrote: >> >> > Does anyone know when the change took place from the squarish to the >> > rounded end on the early Apple Macintosh mice 9 pin connector? >> > >> >> I believe the Mac Plus was the last model to have the D-SUB 9 for its mouse. > >The original Mac 128 had the 9 pin connector but it had a square shape >as opposed to the later connectors. You can see the difference in this >photo: http://www.rain.org/~marvin/ap-mouse.jpg. The connector at the >right is the original Mac 128K and the one on the left is a later >version. My question is how much later :). > -- - Mark 210-522-6025, page 888-733-0967

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A little help from my friends...

by cb＠mythtech.net

>> >Some of this is inspired by stuff around my office (guess which ones :) >> >> The sex toys? > >I don't know about you, but where I'm at, you never know when an orgy will >break out in your office. Oh for the love of god. You just put that image in my head... and with the people I work with, I am now heating my soldering iron so I can jam it into my ear and forever remove that thought! Thanks for ruining my lunch break! -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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A little help from my friends...

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Some of this is inspired by stuff around my office (guess which ones :) The sex toys? -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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