- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by fdebros＠verizon.net

dear friend: i cant somehow reach that board directly anymore could you pls broadcast the following message under decstation cache in boston i have a dozen or so mostly decstations and vax vlc4000 and vaxstations to give away. the decstations are mostly loaded with ram (96mb?) and many boxen have ultrix loaded. in addition i have cables, tapdrives, cdroms and yes megamonitors, terminals, scsi hubs (?) and connectors galore. trouble is: all is in one heap, i forgot which goes to what! incl passwords! other trouble: all has to go in one fell swoop, no cherry picking. other trouble: it wont fit in a gmc suburban, u need a van. other trouble: i wont lift the junk. other trouble: its in downtown boston, you can park in front of the house, and no, the hydrant has been moved. last trouble: its free. contact me at 617 723 5768 after 6pm, so we can make funeral arrangements.... fred

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vintage computers and lead poisoning?

by vax3900＠yahoo.com

I started to worry about lead paint problem when buying an old house. I bought a lead test kit and tested the paint chips from the windows and fould them to be positive. Then I tested some computer boards, and the result was postive too. Have you ever found white powders near solder on your vintage board? They are most likely lead dioxide. When you power up your vintage computers, some lead dust will be blown to the air and inhaled by your kids... Well, the last sentence is my pure imagination. Has anybody done any research on this issue? To be safe, I am going to throw most of my boards to attic, which are lying on the floor and accessible to my two year old daughter. vax, 3900 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

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Cheetah Cub board

by melamy＠earthlink.net

okay, 16 - 256kx1 chips will not give you 2meg... it is only 0.5meg. If the docs you have say 256kx4 then that is the chip you need and the ones on the ISA board are not the right ones. the 256Kx4 DYNAMIC ram chips that you would need were usually used in VGA cards for display memory. best regards, Steve Thatcher -----Original Message----- From: Bill Sudbrink <wh.sudbrink(a)verizon.net> Sent: Jun 9, 2004 8:22 PM To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: RE: Cheetah Cub board > Back to the DRAM nomenclature, the 1 bit vs 1 byte > explanation helps a lot. I'm still confused about > the multiplier. > > The Amiga docs show 16 256Kx4 DRAMs for a total of > 2MB, so does that mean that these chips are 256Kx1? Exactly!

21 years, 10 months

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Apple LaserWriter questions

by cb＠mythtech.net

>1. Are all LaserWriters 100% pure PostScript printers, speaking nothing >but PS? I know the very original one was, but I'm not sure about whatever >happened later and whatever they make now. No, some models spoke postscript, some spoke quickdraw. Many spoke postscript and other languages (like Diablo, ESC-P, PCL). In fact the original Laserwriter speaks both Postscript and Diablo 630. Apple has a listing of the printers they made, and what languages they spoke. <http://www.info.apple.com/support/applespec.legacy/laser.html> >2. Were there any LaserWriters made with duplex printing capability? If >so, what's the earliest duplex LaserWriter? Yes, and I'm not sure what the earliest one was (I'm also not sure which models supported duplex. Probably the Pro series and the 12/600, 16/600, 8500 series... I know at least the 12/640 rates a duplex page speed, but I believe others besides it also had a duplex option) >3. The original LaserWriter had a serial port. But given the assault on >serial ports coming from all directions, I don't expect the current ones >to have one, or do they? When was the last LaserWriter made with a serial >port? Was there ever a LaserWriter new enough to support duplex printing >but old enough to have a serial port? Actually, most of them up thru the end have serial. The problem is, the serial port doubles as the localtalk port, and it may or may not have been configurable for connection to a PC. As far as TRUE serial (RS-232/422 in the form of a DB25 or DE9), I think the Pro 810 may have been the last to carry that AND talk postscript. I don't know for sure if there is a duplex option for it or not. Later printers may very well also support PC serial via the Localtalk connector (which IIRC is really a RS422 with additional smarts to handle the localtalk protocol) >4. Are LaserWriter serial ports standard EIA-232 DB25 or something Apple >proprietary? If the latter, what kind of adapter would I need to make? Ones that had true serial were standard 232 and/or 422 ports in a DB25 package (there may also have been DE9 connectors, I don't remember for sure). So no adaptor should be needed. For those that handled serial via the mini din 8 connector's localtalk port, you would just need a mini-din 8 to D connector of your choice. Those should be 422 ports... but I can't say for sure that all of them were usable as regular serial. Some may have been localtalk only (and others may have done serial but weren't configurable, so you had to be able to know what it expected to have) Hope some of that is helpful. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

21 years, 10 months

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Help with Lisa Needed

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Does anyone know for sure that if the 4 batteries on the Lisa motherboard are dead, if that will prevent it from powering up? This machine was working about 3 years back when it went into storage. Thanks for any tips.

21 years, 10 months

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Simulators & AppleII copy protected disks ?

by dave04a＠dunfield.com

Hi Guys, I have a friend who has recently retired an Apple IIe in favor of running a simulator. He was able to use ADT and a serial card to transfer most of his disk images over to the PC for use with the simulation, however certain copy-protected games could not be transferred. Does anyone know if there is software available to transfer Apple II disk images on a raw-binary basis (ie: not necessarily well formed sectors), and if so, are there any simulators which can make use of such images? I know this would be fairly complex, as the Apple could do half tracks etc., and timing can be critical to many Apple copy protection schemes. These factors would also have to be delt with somehow - is there anything available which can do this? Regards, Dave -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Vintage computing equipment collector. http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html

21 years, 10 months

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L-COM IEEE-488 GPIB 3.0m cables (CIB24-3M) anyone?

by d_cymbal＠hotmail.com

I located a handful of these, they are never-used, brand new. I don't have a use for them any more, maybe you do. They are $92 a piece new from l-com, I'd be willing to let them go for less :-) Specs are here: http://www.l-com.com/jump.jsp?lGen=detail&itemID=2789&itemType=PRODUCT&iMai… Drop me an email if interested. Thanks.

21 years, 10 months

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Speaking of Boston...

by zmerch＠30below.com

I met a guy over Memorial day weekend, that says the best place for lobster is at "Anthony's Pier 4"... That said, has there been any headway WRT lodging arrangments & whatnot for VCF East? Thanks, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger | "Profile, don't speculate." sysadmin, Iceberg Computers | Daniel J. Bernstein zmerch(a)30below.com |

21 years, 10 months

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Cheetah Cub board

by melamy＠earthlink.net

that is a Micron part number for a 100ns 256K ram. It is probably an EXPANDED memory card unless it has two bus connectors then it might be EXTENDED memory (didn't we just have a conversation about PC memory...) It is more than likely one of the two memory standards and will work in any OLD PC. best regards, Steve Thatcher -----Original Message----- From: Doc Shipley <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> Sent: Jun 9, 2004 12:07 PM To: General(a)mdrconsult.com, Discussion@mdrconsult.com@null, On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>, null@null Subject: Cheetah Cub board I have a full-length ISA board marked "Cheetah Int'l Cheetah Cub 2Mbyte Fast Memory". Copyright 1986 It has 4 banks of 18 socketed memory chips marked: USA 8726 B MT 1259-10 I'm guessing those are 10ns 32KB chips? I'm really curious what this board will work with and its history. Google seems not to know it exists. Doc

21 years, 10 months

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Cheetah Cub board

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

I have a full-length ISA board marked "Cheetah Int'l Cheetah Cub 2Mbyte Fast Memory". Copyright 1986 It has 4 banks of 18 socketed memory chips marked: USA 8726 B MT 1259-10 I'm guessing those are 10ns 32KB chips? I'm really curious what this board will work with and its history. Google seems not to know it exists. Doc

21 years, 10 months

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CORMEMCO harddrive boot

by kenziem＠sympatico.ca

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Cromemco RDOS 02.52 no boot Found the disconnected HD power connector and reattached it. The HD is now spinning but what is the command to get it to boot from the harddrive? OR does anyone have a spare 8" floppy with a cromemco system three boot setup? - -- Collector of vintage computers http://www.ncf.ca/~ba600 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAxzQmLPrIaE/xBZARAjlWAJ9MEgqHP6KQZoSijKAZxWINcr332wCgigoY kADFFprB2IJHSMFAUXzBG+U= =RsyK -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

21 years, 10 months

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OS/2

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Does anyone have a copy of OS/2 (any version, but I'm really looking for all >of them...) for my Virtual PC collection of antique operating systems? > >I'm not sure how folks here feel about the piracy of software that is no >longer available. I would, of course, be willing to pay for a legal copy, >as long as the price was reasonable. You should have asked a week ago... I just gave two full copies of OS/2 Warp (2.0? 3.0?) to someone else on this list. Maybe if he doesn't want them he will contact you and give/sell you one (I don't know what his needs for them were... they were in a box of software that I told him to pick thru and take what he wanted... so he may or may not be willing to give one up) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

21 years, 10 months

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OpenVMS

by msabino205＠yahoo.com

Hello, I saw your posting to a newsgroup that you made about 1/2 year ago, and was wondering if you could give me the openvms media. I'm trying to get the media running on the x86 version of simh as an experiment, and need an iso image to install the media from. Is it possible that I can download the media from you? -- Michael S. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger

21 years, 10 months

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DOS application in WinXP

by GOOI＠oce.nl

> And thusly chris spake: > > > > So does anyone have any other recommended solutions? I'd > like this to be > > as transparent to the users as possible (they currently run > the software > > in a DOS session under Win95, so the closest I can come to that > > functionality, the better). > > > > Chris, > > Have you tried DOSbox? --> http://dosbox.sourceforge.net . > > Cheers, > > Bryan Pope Here's an othere one: http://www.freedos.org/ - Henk, PA8PDP

21 years, 10 months

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DOS application in WinXP

by cb＠mythtech.net

>> Its a medical scheduling application called Perfect Care. > >presumably not related to the "Perfect Software" office suite >of 20 years ago Er, I don't know. http://www.sticomputer.com/ I did just realize their NY Metro office is in Oakland, which is only a short drive for me (10-15 minutes depending on traffic). And I will actually be in Oakland Thursday morning anyway. Maybe I'll just stop in to their office and see if I can have a talk with someone. Although I know when I called the NY Metro office earlier, they redirected me to an 800 number for support, so there may be no one available in Oakland to help me. If I can at least get out of them what fails under XP, I may be able to find a work around. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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DOS application in WinXP

by cb＠mythtech.net

>WHAT "application"? It really DOES matter. >"old"? "legacy"? Its a medical scheduling application called Perfect Care. >WHO told you? the author of the program?? Uncle Charlie?? The support guys at the company that made the software. Their exact statement was "we've had major problems getting it to run in DOS under XP". When asked if per chance this was unique to XP, the answer was no, it was a problem with the entire NT line's DOS ability. Their recommended solution? Upgrade to their new Windows based product. That's more or less what is going to happen, but not for another few months (the upgrade is going to a different product, but regardless it will be upgraded, so I need a solution that will run for 4-6 months) >Have YOU tried it? No, but I plan to. But the location is 3 hours away from me, so it isn't something I'm going to drive to give a whirl. It will wait until I am at the location doing the rest of the upgrades. It may be a simple work around, or it may be very complex, I won't know more info until I get there next week. >Sorry to seem harsh, but "been told it won't run" is >quite a bit different from "it won't run". Agreed... but I've been "told" it won't run, and I need to make it run, so I want to arrive at the site armed with options on how to get it to run. >The DOS box in NT (which XP is one of) is just fine >for running "old legacy DOS application"s (PROGRAMS). >BUT,... >NT will NOT permit certain kinds of hardware access, >such as writing disk sectors, "for security reasons". >Therefore, XenoCopy can not run in any version of NT >(NT3,NT4,Win2K,XP). All this I knew. It may be doing some kind of hardware access, I don't know. >If the reason that the "old legacy DOS application" won't >run is because it needs to do something that has been >blocked "for security reasons" (such as writing disk sectors), >then it won't run any better with VPC. Won't it? VPC makes the software think it is running on its own computer. So I would think the software could write to "disk sectors" inside VPC. >From there VPC would take care of altering that into whatever method XP wishes to be used. >So, it DOES run in a Windoze DOS box. There are few things that >will run in a Win95 DOS box that won't run in an XP DOS box, >other than "security risks" Correct, they are currently doing it inside Win95. But like mentioned above, the software developers say it doesn't work inside the NT structure. So they may do something that is restricted (they may also just need a very tweaked PIF and don't bother telling anyone that in an effort to get them to upgrade to a newer version... I really can't say). >What kind of partition does the system have? >Does the "old legacy DOS application" need access to the hard disk? >(ones that REALLY are "old" would not) Don't know and don't know. I have not yet stepped foot on site, and the salesman that did originally spec'd out using a Terminal Emulator to access the legacy system. When I questioned why we had to purchase a new program to access something they are currently doing in Windows (ie: why not just run whatever program they are running now to access it), that is when I was put on the hunt to find the answer. After talking to the site myself, it now appears the salesman was incorrect and it is in fact running a DOS application. BUT, I haven't been there myself yet, so maybe it will turn out to just be some terminal front end. The people on the site don't really know themselves, all they could do is tell me what they do to make it run, and from that I get the impression it is a DOS application (that and talking to the developers, they said it is a DOS app). >1) Boot from floppy with DOS 6.2x. If it DOES need the hard disk, >then make a small FAT16 partition for it to use. > >2) install a dual boot of XP and Win98, and make the drive, >or a partition of it, FAT32. No can do. The app needs to be run side by side with other XP/2000 based apps (the new app that is dictating this hardware/OS upgrade requires either XP or 2k). So I can't do a dual boot as it will prohibit both the legacy and the new app from running at the same time (I can do a VPC type solution since that will run in a window inside XP... but VPC's pricing will probably be an issue for something that I need 5 copies for only a few months) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

21 years, 10 months

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DOS application in WinXP

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk > >> Find out why it's not working? [Tony's standard rant here, but replace >> 'hardware' with 'software' ;-)] > >:-) > >Yes, my comments apply to software, hardware, electronics, mechanical >stuff, just about anything... You will never solve a problem by making >random changes in the hope it goes away (it might well seem to be cured, >but it may also come back to 'bite' you later). Hi One most often introduces more problems by random fiddling. > >Fautlfinding is done by making 'measurments' (in the widest possible >sense -- in other words gathering evidence), thinking about what you've >observed, and then working out what to do to put it right. I'd like to add this here. Fault finding is a cycle: 1. Gather evidence 2. Make hypothesis consistent with the evidence 3. Create test to verify hypothesis 4. Repeat from 1 if that test didn't work and add this new result as new evidence. Number 4 may include replacing a part but usually not unless you are really sure that you've exhausted all the angles. The first rule of intelligent tinkering is, of course, "save all the pieces". The second rule is "don't fix it if it ain't broken". The second rule applies to step 4 as far as doing random replacements. Swapping boards is not all that bad if you are sure you have the right board from repeated steps 1 to 4. When working on old computers, expect to spend time repairing that board as well. Just my thoughts. Dwight > >Yes, this is a rant of mine. I've been caught too often by idiots who >don't follow this method... > >-tony >

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sorry for email delays

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Sorry to all those who are waiting on emails from me. My mailbox has hit 3000 emails and I just can't make myself go through it all yet, so I'm pretty much only responding to 'emergency' emails. I do plan on making it to VCF east, as long as several other people are planning to be there with certain gear. Was hoping to bring up a bunch of HP cabinets and 7906 drives and 13037 controllers and a 21mx or two. I know I promised the 7906 drives would be refurbed, but I"m not sure I'll get to that in time. The 13037's have been refurbed though. Hopefully I'll be bringing a big load of stuff back and some DEC rack sidepanels! woohoo! Anyways, my apologies to all who are patiently waiting for me to respond. I'll wade through it all sometime fairly soon. Jay

21 years, 10 months

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Saw on Ebay: 1959 Brainiac K-30 available on ebay

by lsprung＠optonline.net

Thought I would bring everyone's attention to the 1959 Brainiac K-30 currently listed on ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1247&item=5100613088 Talk about a technology artifact. WOW!

21 years, 10 months

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DOS application in WinXP

by cb＠mythtech.net

>What about putting an old 486 running DOS onto the network to run this >application? There are currently 5 machines running it, and 5 new machines are going in to replace them. I don't think there will be room to leave the old machines in place. But it is one possible solution (and because it should only be needed for a few months, it is a reasonable solution) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

21 years, 10 months

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Qbus hard disk controller

by vcf＠siconic.com

I want to re-pay someone for some help they've given me and they've said they're looking for a Qbus hard disk controller. Sounds like too generic a description but at any rate, if someone has one they want to sell or trade then please let me know. Thanks! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

21 years, 10 months

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DOS application in WinXP

by cb＠mythtech.net

>> So does anyone have any other recommended solutions? I'd like this to be >> as transparent to the users as possible (they currently run the software >> in a DOS session under Win95, so the closest I can come to that >> functionality, the better). > Have you tried DOSbox? --> http://dosbox.sourceforge.net . I have not, I didn't know about it. But it does look promising. Thanks! (anyone else have any other ideas? I'd like to hit the site with a pack of options so I can increase my odds of having one of them work correctly) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

21 years, 10 months

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HP 7908 woes

by david_comley＠yahoo.com

My HP 7908 (kindly donated last year by Steven Hirsch) failed this weekend. Investigation reveals that it has blown the 10A fuse in the +12V section of the power supply and when I replaced the fuse it blew again - but stayed up long enough for me to see that the on-board diagnostics do at least begin to run and that the disk itself begins to spin up. Rather than continue to stuff fuses in it I need to identify the root cause of the failure. Recognizing that there could be 1000 reasons why that 12V line is being overtaxed, has anyone encountered a similar issue ? Clutching at straws at this point, but any pointers would be helpful. The service manual that I have does not give any specific guidance on how to deal with this. What's irritating about this is that I had only powered it up to boot an HP64000 to copy some disks. Failing that, does anyone have a comparable CS/80 unit they might be willing to part with ? Or parts from another 7908 ? Thanks, Dave __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

21 years, 10 months

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Tiny BASIC

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi All For more stuff on the 6502, check: http://www.ping.be/kim-1__6502/ http://www.6502.org/ Later Dwight >From: "Dwight K. Elvey" <dwight.elvey(a)amd.com> > >Hi Walter and ClassicCmp > I just checked Tom's web page and he has the 6502 >tape dump there. It is for the KIM so it may need >a little fiddling for some other computer. The >code at 0100h is the terminal interface. Also, >down load the manuals he has there. As I recall >these explain how to match your console I/O to >his TB. > The tape form is similar to Intel hex. The first >byte is the number of bytes of data. Next is the 16 bit >address. The bytes follow. At the end of the line >is a 16 bit checksum. I don't think this matches >one of the more standard dump types. > If you absolutely need it in Intel Hex, I can send >you what I converted from the tape dumps. > >See: >http://www.ittybittycomputers.com/IttyBitty/TinyBasic/index.htm > >Later >Dwight > >>From: walterpark <walterpark(a)sbcglobal.net> >>To: dwight.elvey(a)amd.com >>Subject: Tiny BASIC >>Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:48:14 -0700 >> >>I'm also interested. If you're emailing this out, please add my address to >>your cc: list. >> >>I have one old hex print-out of TB for the 6502 on yellow TTY paper. >>It sounds like you already have that in electronic form. >> >>Thanks. >> >>Walter Park >> >> >> > > >

21 years, 10 months

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OT: laser printer for sale

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

evan <evan947(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Some of those interface details are over my head, in terms of technical > knowledge. I have it connected to my PC with a standard printer cable. Well, that won't work for me since I don't use pee seas. (This is ClassisCmp, remember, people use Classic computers here.) But I've read the manual and see that it speaks PostScript and that there are serial and Ethernet options available, while the base unit only has the damn parallel interface. Does yours have either of the serial or Ethernet options? Also the manual is conspicously silent about whether or not it supports duplex printing, so I suspect that it doesn't. Does it? If it doesn't, I'm unlikely to be interested in it, as in that case I would rather buy an LN06R (DEClaser 2250) or LN08R (DEClaser 3250) from a DEC dealer, both of which are PostScript printers with duplex capability and with EIA-232 serial interfaces in addition to the damn pee sea parallel. MS

21 years, 10 months

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Possibly OT: FW: Vintage Laptops Wanted

by classiccmp＠vintage-computer.com

Michelle writes: ----> Hi, I am looking for a large quantity of vintage laptops. They do not have to work, just look good. I will use them in my decor package for TGI Friday's restaurants. We are about to remodel all 500+ of our domestic TGI Friday's restaurants with an updated decor package, to include vintage laptops. Can you help me? Please let me know. Sincerely, Michelle Edwards 615-255-6767 Mejjandb(a)aolNOSPAM.com - Remove the obvious[/quote] <----- Please contact her, not me. The usual disclaimers apply. Erik Klein www.vintage-computer.com www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum The Vintage Computer Forum

21 years, 10 months

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Tiny BASIC

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Walter and ClassicCmp I just checked Tom's web page and he has the 6502 tape dump there. It is for the KIM so it may need a little fiddling for some other computer. The code at 0100h is the terminal interface. Also, down load the manuals he has there. As I recall these explain how to match your console I/O to his TB. The tape form is similar to Intel hex. The first byte is the number of bytes of data. Next is the 16 bit address. The bytes follow. At the end of the line is a 16 bit checksum. I don't think this matches one of the more standard dump types. If you absolutely need it in Intel Hex, I can send you what I converted from the tape dumps. See: http://www.ittybittycomputers.com/IttyBitty/TinyBasic/index.htm Later Dwight >From: walterpark <walterpark(a)sbcglobal.net> >To: dwight.elvey(a)amd.com >Subject: Tiny BASIC >Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:48:14 -0700 > >I'm also interested. If you're emailing this out, please add my address to >your cc: list. > >I have one old hex print-out of TB for the 6502 on yellow TTY paper. >It sounds like you already have that in electronic form. > >Thanks. > >Walter Park > > >

21 years, 10 months

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DOS application in WinXP

by cb＠mythtech.net

I have an old legacy DOS application that I need to run on new Win XP hardware for the next few months. The problem is, I've been told it won't run under XP's DOS Shell. I'm curious what others have used as solutions to run non NT kernel friendly DOS applications in such an environment. I'm thinking about something like Virtual PC to run a regular DOS 6.2.2 install inside it, but I have no idea if that will actually work. Plus I need to do this on up to 5 machines and buying 5 copies of VPC at the new Microsoft pricing may break the bank (Connectix used to have an OS free version for something like $50... MS now charges $130 for the base price). It looks like VMWare is going to be the same problem with pricing. So does anyone have any other recommended solutions? I'd like this to be as transparent to the users as possible (they currently run the software in a DOS session under Win95, so the closest I can come to that functionality, the better). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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DOS application in WinXP

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Find out why it's not working? [Tony's standard rant here, but replace >'hardware' with 'software' ;-)] I tried that. The support department at the developing company was vague, and I got the impression deliberately so. They want to sell their upgrade, not help someone run an outdated version for longer. All they were really willing to share was "XP like the rest of the NT line, isn't really running DOS. Its a kind of DOS emulator and it isn't fully compatible". Yeah, I knew that already, thanks for being helpful. So I really don't know for sure what happens when it tries to run. I will know better when I am on site and can try it myself, but I have a very limited amount of time that I can be on site, and a lot of work to accomplish, so I don't want to go in without some ideas of solutions. I'd rather be prepared then blind. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

21 years, 10 months

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CRT pinout

by mouse＠Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA

Does anyone know where I can find the pinout for a 3RP1 CRT? I have the CRT and I have most of the important numbers (V/in deflection, final anode voltage, that sort of thing) but I do not have the pinout. I went a-googling, but all I found was a few places that had the silly things for sale. /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse(a)rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B

21 years, 10 months

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DOS application in WinXP

by RMeenaks＠OLF.COM

Hi, There is a DOS compatibility layer build into XP. It *might* work. Take a look at the following website on how to run DOS-based games on XP. Should help you out.... http://www.dosgames.com/xphints.php Cheers, Ram (c) 2004 OpenLink Financial Copyright in this message and any attachments remains with us. It is confidential and may be legally privileged. If this message is not intended for you it must not be read, copied or used by you or disclosed to anyone else. Please advise the sender immediately if you have received this message in error. Although this message and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Open Link Financial, Inc. for any loss or damage in any way arising from its use.

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Archive Cartridge Tape Drive 5540C

by d_cymbal＠hotmail.com

Hi all, Anybody know how to access the above running under either DOS or Linux? It has a 5.25" floppy connector on it. I don't have any drivers for it (do I need them?), just a QS.EXE (QuicStream?) archive DOS app which pukes with a divide overflow error during its "Initializing tape drives" phase. Knoppix doesn't even see it during HW detection. Any config pointers? Thanks.

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Saw on Ebay: PDP-11/03 backplane

by jdaviscctalk＠soupwizard.com

It's got about a day to go, no bids, starting at $25. I think the 11/03 models are rarer than the later ones so I thought I'd mention it here. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1247&item=4135473360… Also has other PDP-11 stuff for sale on Ebay. Btw, I don't know the seller - they listed "vax" in a series of keywords in the ad text, which is how I found it. After reading the recent "VMS vs BSD on VAX" I'm inpired to drag out the vaxstation 4000/90 chassis I have and see if it works (now that I found a serial console cable to test it with), so I was browsing around looking for parts. For the record, if I can get it running, mine will run {Open|Net}BSD. Jeff

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FA: Clean Epson PX-8 with docs and boxed CX-20 coupler available

by d_cymbal＠hotmail.com

via VCM auction http://marketplace.vintage.org/bid.cfm?ad=933 if you're interested in that sort of thing

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Prerelease Mac Portable?

by cb＠mythtech.net

>But for those interested.... just be sure you can find a working >drive to replace it & a copy of the OS for it (probably System 6 or 7). >Cheers! LowEndMac.com has a small set of directions of adapting the cable to match a standard 50 pin narrow SCSI (the more normal SCSI for Macs of the time). And System 6.0.8 and System 7.5.5 are both freely downloadable >from Apple's web site. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Arg... Salesdroiditis strikes again!

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Well, I didn't write that, but... > >...yes. However, I see nothing wrong with using "flat" to refer to >something that's, oh, say, 15"x18"x4" as compared to, say, 15"x18"x20". > >Unless you mean there are flat-screen CRTs that have also done away >with the long neck? Wouldn't that really be a "Flat Monitor" then? The screen may be flat, but so is the screen to a number of other CRT based monitors. I have one such TV, and I have two monitors that the screen is flat (although they are not flat screen technology, rather they are flat as a side effect of the touch screen that is installed on them). Flat Screen CRT is just that, a CRT with a flat screen. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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OT: laser printer for sale

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: msokolov(a)ivan.harhan.org ---snip--- > >Well, that won't work for me since I don't use pee seas. (This is ClassisCmp, >remember, people use Classic computers here.) But I've read the manual >and see that it speaks PostScript and that there are serial and Ethernet >options available, while the base unit only has the damn parallel interface. > >Does yours have either of the serial or Ethernet options? > >Also the manual is conspicously silent about whether or not it supports >duplex printing, so I suspect that it doesn't. Does it? Hi Interesting, my HP3si does all of these. Now, if I could just get it to make a clean print. Dwight

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Arg... Salesdroiditis strikes again!

by cb＠mythtech.net

>"Flat-screen" != "LCD" or "TFT". > >Well, I guess I just joined the ranks with "Grumpy Ol' Fred"... ;-) You aren't alone. Seeing as I own a Flat Screen TV that is not of any of the LCD or Plasma or whatever technologies... but is rather a good tried and true CRT. I myself don't call LCD monitor's "Flat Screen", I call them what they are LCD Screens (although I do tend to lump all the LCD like technologies into one term "LCD" even though it is not technically correct to do so) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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OT: laser printer for sale

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Fred N. van Kempen <waltje(a)pdp11.nl> wrote: > You can always use a terminal server to fix the connection issue. ... except that to connect to a terminal server, the printer needs to have a serial interface, which is what I was asking for in first place. MS

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OT: laser printer for sale

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

evan <evan947(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi, I'm looking to help finance a GPS by selling my laser printer. It's a > DEClaser 3500 with FIVE extra cartridges. Hmm, I'm not familiar with DEClaser 3500 as it's newer than my most recent DECdirect catalog (1993). Is it PostScript or not? What interface(s)? Has to be PostScript with EIA-232 or DEC-423 interface for me to consider buying. MS

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8" hard sectored floppies

by melamy＠earthlink.net

just to keep terminology correct... the 8" inch came as single or double density - high density entered the marketplace with the introduction of the IBM AT in 1985 that had 5 1/4" high density disk drives. Maybe internationally things were referred to as low and high density, but not to my recollection in the States or in any drive datasheets I have seen. best regards, Steve Thatcher

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OT: laser printer for sale

by evan947＠yahoo.com

Hi, I'm looking to help finance a GPS by selling my laser printer. It's a DEClaser 3500 with FIVE extra cartridges. Location is central New Jersey. The printer works well. - Evan Koblentz

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Looking for Pittman's Tiny Basic

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Bob I told you to be patient. I found the stuff over the weekend. Email me directly so that I can send the stuff to you that won't overflow your inbox. I have what looks like an original tape dump, the same code done in Intel HEX and a disassembly of the code. It has a small chunk of code to the console I/O for a KIM but I'm sure one can reconfigure it to work under most any environment. The disassembly only has the address table at the end done as DB's. His code did an address interpreter, similar to how Forth traditionally did things. I'd ment to replace these with address pointers but I've been to lazy. If you send this to Tom, make sure that he gets the credit right this time. It is "Dwight Elvey" ( the second time I've sent it ). Dwight >From: "Bob Applegate" <bob(a)applegate.org> > >Tom offered to send me a paper tape if I could read it. I asked on this list and >got a lot of offers to help... thanks to everyone who wanted to help! > >Today I got email from Tom again. He moved several years ago, and just went >to look for the tapes. The box labeled TINY BASIC had paper tapes, but not >for Tiny. He's optimistic that he might still have the original tapes somewhere >and he plans on looking for them. The only version he found so far has been >for the 1802. > >In the mean time, if anyone on the list has any version of Tom's TB, he might >appreciate getting copies, even if it's just the binaries. I'm desperately seeking >the 6502 version, so hopefully someone can get a copy to Tom. > >He must have sold quite a few copies, considering they were originally $5 each >($5 for software? Amazing!). Hopefully someone has some old copies laying >around. > >Bob >

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IBM 5150 and Full-height 5.25 Floppy Drives

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "dave04a(a)dunfield.com" <dave04a(a)dunfield.com> > >Hi Bob, > >I would be interested in this - I Am located in Ottawa, and am planning to >be in Toronto later this month or early next month - where exactly are you >located? > >And I have a pair of TM100-2 drives sitting on the shelf! > >The Horizon is a nice machine - used to have one years ago, and have not >been >able to find another... I have a NorthStar disk controller installed in my >Altair, which runs NorthStar DOS as well as my own DMF system. > >There's a simulator for this machine on my "museum" page: > http://www.dunfield.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html Hi Dave You mean: http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html Anyway, great stuff Dave. Dwight > >This will let you boot up NorthStar DOS on your PC! >Also have most of the NorthStar manuals and a lot of other reference info. >scanned and posted there, which may be of use to you. > >Regards, >Dave Dunfield > >[posting from web client - so sig is not attached] > >Original Message: >----------------- >From: RMaxwell(a)atlantissi.com >Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:49:20 -0400 >To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: IBM 5150 and Full-height 5.25" Floppy Drives > > > I've been restoring a NorthStar Horizon that had its 5.25" full-height >double-sided floppy drives removed long ago. A friend has given me another >computer with those drives, but when I inspected it, I realized that it's a >true-blue IBM 5150 PC in very good condition! The 5.25" drives' front >panels are marked with the "IBM" logo, which makes them less-than-genuine >for installation into a pre-IBM microcomputer. > > There may be parties that would protest stripping one "classic" to restore >another: I'm hoping if there might be someone interested in both/either: > > - acquiring the 5150 as is (256K RAM [4 rows of 64K] on motherboard, plus >256K more on expansion card, no monitor); > - supplying (Tandon TM100-2?) full-height DS 5.25" drives for the Horizon. > > The big hole in the Horizon's front panel really calls out for full-height >drives. Any help/ideas/suggestions? I'm located in Southern Ontario, >Canada and am contemplating attending VCF East. > >Bob Maxwell >rmaxwell(a)atlantissi.com > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >mail2web - Check your email from the web at >http://mail2web.com/ . > > > >

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Prerelease Mac Portable?

by cb＠mythtech.net

>My Portable has a weird interface connected to the Conner, though. I think >it's a 40-pin variety. Humm... ok, then maybe it isn't a simple swap. I don't have a portable, so I have to go off the PDF tech guide I have. It doesn't indicate anything special about the drive, so I made what must be a wrong assumption that it was the standard SCSI drive Apple used in everything else of that era. The only picture of the drive in the PDF doesn't show enough detail to know what the connector is like. And Seagate doesn't seem to admit the CP-3045 (taken from the pic on ebay) exists. I did however locate a page on lowendmac.com that shows how to build a 50 pin to 34 pin converter cable to replace the Portable's drive with a more standard 50 pin SCSI drive. It was listed under the pages for the Mac Portable. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

21 years, 10 months

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Pictures Re: new hamfest finds

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Joe R." <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> >> ---snip--- > > You're probably right about them being only slightly valuable but it's >still interesting to look at. Most people today have nver seen the inside >of a battery and have no idea what they look like. This battery was built >by Willard. I took a picture today and posted it at ><http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/battery/willard.jpg>. Hi Seems to be a standard Lead Acid cell. I have some Silver Zinc cells that are dry stored that look similar. These use an alkali unlike the lead acid cells. > > I forgot to mention yesterday that I also picked up a battery for a >radiosonde. It's still sealed in it's orginal can so I don't know what it >looks like but the guy that I got it from says that he thinks it's a >Lithium battery. The date on the can is Sept 12, 1982 and it was made by >VIZ. I don't know exactly who VIZ is/was but they seemed to have taken over >production of cheap test equipment from RCA. I've seen their name along >with RCA's on a lot of educational grade electrical equipment. I've posted >a picture of this one too. it's at ><http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/battery/radiosonde.jpg>. FWIW I used to have >a radiosonde but the battery for it was MUCH larger than this. Most likely for a transistor unit, being from the 80's. I have two old tube radiosondes that I've collected. > > Finally, I took pictures of the two odd tubes that I got. They're at ><http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/battery/tube1.jpg> and ><http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/battery/tube2.jpg>. The filament is in the >large bulb at the side of the main tube. Only the first tube is marked. >"73" has been painted near the center of it. The can see it in the photo >but it's upside down. It was not printed but instead it looks like it was >painted on with a small brash. Only the first tube has the silver getter >material in it. Anyone have any idea what these might be for? I'll bet it is some kind of arc lamp. Dwight > > Joe >

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IBM 5150 and Full-height 5.25 Floppy Drives

by dave04a＠dunfield.com

Hi Bob, I would be interested in this - I Am located in Ottawa, and am planning to be in Toronto later this month or early next month - where exactly are you located? And I have a pair of TM100-2 drives sitting on the shelf! The Horizon is a nice machine - used to have one years ago, and have not been able to find another... I have a NorthStar disk controller installed in my Altair, which runs NorthStar DOS as well as my own DMF system. There's a simulator for this machine on my "museum" page: http://www.dunfield.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html This will let you boot up NorthStar DOS on your PC! Also have most of the NorthStar manuals and a lot of other reference info. scanned and posted there, which may be of use to you. Regards, Dave Dunfield [posting from web client - so sig is not attached] Original Message: ----------------- From: RMaxwell(a)atlantissi.com Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:49:20 -0400 To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Subject: IBM 5150 and Full-height 5.25" Floppy Drives I've been restoring a NorthStar Horizon that had its 5.25" full-height double-sided floppy drives removed long ago. A friend has given me another computer with those drives, but when I inspected it, I realized that it's a true-blue IBM 5150 PC in very good condition! The 5.25" drives' front panels are marked with the "IBM" logo, which makes them less-than-genuine for installation into a pre-IBM microcomputer. There may be parties that would protest stripping one "classic" to restore another: I'm hoping if there might be someone interested in both/either: - acquiring the 5150 as is (256K RAM [4 rows of 64K] on motherboard, plus 256K more on expansion card, no monitor); - supplying (Tandon TM100-2?) full-height DS 5.25" drives for the Horizon. The big hole in the Horizon's front panel really calls out for full-height drives. Any help/ideas/suggestions? I'm located in Southern Ontario, Canada and am contemplating attending VCF East. Bob Maxwell rmaxwell(a)atlantissi.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

21 years, 10 months

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Spectron Datascope

by mross666＠hotmail.com

Anyone by any chance got a manual for a Spectron D-586 datascope? I've (somehow) managed to kick the thing into 'menu mode' precisely *once*! TIA Mike http://www.corestore.org

21 years, 10 months

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Prerelease Mac Portable?

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Maybe not -- it's apparently not bootable. Dead disk, it seems. >From the description, it sounds like it is just another dead Apple SCSI drive. I have gone thru stacks of these 40 and 80 MB drives from Apple (all Conner I believe, just like the one pictured). They seem to have motor failures and stop spinning. But the Portable uses a standard 3.5" SCSI drive, so it is fairly trivial to swap the drive. Granted it lessens the "value" if it carries a different drive, but since I've already been outbid, I'll stick with the idea that it will exceed my price threshold before it sells. :-) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

21 years, 10 months

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IBM 5150 and Full-height 5.25" Floppy Drives

by RMaxwell＠atlantissi.com

I've been restoring a NorthStar Horizon that had its 5.25" full-height double-sided floppy drives removed long ago. A friend has given me another computer with those drives, but when I inspected it, I realized that it's a true-blue IBM 5150 PC in very good condition! The 5.25" drives' front panels are marked with the "IBM" logo, which makes them less-than-genuine for installation into a pre-IBM microcomputer. There may be parties that would protest stripping one "classic" to restore another: I'm hoping if there might be someone interested in both/either: - acquiring the 5150 as is (256K RAM [4 rows of 64K] on motherboard, plus 256K more on expansion card, no monitor); - supplying (Tandon TM100-2?) full-height DS 5.25" drives for the Horizon. The big hole in the Horizon's front panel really calls out for full-height drives. Any help/ideas/suggestions? I'm located in Southern Ontario, Canada and am contemplating attending VCF East. Bob Maxwell rmaxwell(a)atlantissi.com

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