- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by MTPro＠aol.com

> > However, I have run Windows NT 4.0 on both DEC Alpha systems, and on an > > IBM RS/6000 box** . > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > You are so weird. > > > (** I'm probably one of the .0001% of people who has seen > a Windows NT > > desktop on a PowerPC system) > > (but then so am I ;) Did you see it running on an Apple Common Hardware Reference Platform (CHRP) box, or an IBM one? I was really looking forward to being able to run my Mac OS and IBM's OS/2 on future Macs back in 1995! That's almost 10 years ago now! Best, David Greelish, classiccomputing.com

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Downsizing a Convex SPP1600?

by Arno_1983＠gmx.de

Hello everybody, as there were a few posts about HP Convex multiprocessor computers on the list last week, I thought I'd jump in and ask a few questions for the job I'm currently doing a few hours a week. The University of Erlangen (Northern Bavaria) has a collection of computing equipment and the like, which is run by a former boss of the regional computing centre. When I showed up there at the beginning of my Electrical Engineering studies and had a talk with him, he offered me a student job - which I subsequently accepted. A few months ago we got a Convex SPP-1600 which was decommissioned by the computing center due to a hardware fault (rumour: Bad PSU in one cabinet). This is a 3-cabinet unit and we would like to show part of it as an exhibit - since the entire computer is too big to fit in our showroom, we would like to set up only one unit and put the remaining two into storage. The question now is: Could this sucker be reconfigured in a way which would allow the separated unit (obviously one with a sound PSU...) to actually operate, using the original HP frontend machine? I understand the memory interconnects between the processors are fairly complex so I fear it's not just a matter of "un-plug and play"... We haven't found any documentation about such reconfiguration jobs and we think it might not even been handed out to customers. Calling HP Field Service is obviously out of question (obsolete machine, constrained budget), so any information about this is greatly appreciated. Yours sincerely -- Arno Kletzander Stud. Hilfskraft Informatik Sammlung Erlangen www.iser.uni-erlangen.de "Sie haben neue Mails!" - Die GMX Toolbar informiert Sie beim Surfen! Jetzt aktivieren unter http://www.gmx.net/info

21 years, 9 months

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Ancient Electronics (was Re: List charter mods & headcount... ;

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Fred Cisin <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> wrote: > ... and where is Bill Gates REALLY from? >From Hell of course, where else?

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Modern Electronics (was Re: List charter mods & headcount... ;

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

> Are we really "doomed" to re-invent the vacuum tube? ;) My dad told me that he designed special vacuum tubes for the Soviet Venus missions, which were special tubes made of ceramics that could work at 500 deg C. Those spacecraft were able to last several hours on Venus before giving up the ghost. No semiconductor can work at 500 deg C. MS

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Diablo 33F (Series 30) Disk Drive (D.G. Nova, Datapoint, etc) F.A.

by msg＠waste.org

Greetings: Please view our auction listing for a Diablo Series 30 disk drive: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5103296988 This drive was part of a Data General Nova configuration; this model was also commonly used on Datapoint (2200) systems and many other minicomputers. The Diablo I/O bus was also used by plug-compatible drive makers. Included is a complete set of manuals on CD-ROM in PDF format. Funds are badly needed and any interest in this drive is much appreciated. Regards, Michael Grigoni Cybertheque Museum msg(a)REMOVETHIScybertheque.org

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Atari 520 at a yard sale today

by CCTalk＠catcorner.org

Never owned one, but couldn't resist. Complete Atari 520 ST, with floppy drive and power supplies. Any ACTIVE resources out there for these? I wouldn't mind upgrading the TOS, memory or putting together a hard disk interface. It has a video out port, and a composite NTSC out too. Thanks, Kelly

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Modern Electronics (Batteies)

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

David V. Corbin <dvcorbin(a)optonline.net> wrote: > If a "sufficiently advanced technogoloy is indistinguishable from magic" and > many people that magic once existed on earth, is it not possible that the > older civilizations were actually more advanced than ours????? That's what Erich von Daniken, Zecharia Sitchin, Michael Cremo, David Hatcher Childress and me have been saying for a long time. MS

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Looking for BA23 rack mount hardware

by bob＠jfcl.com

Actually, I guess what I really need is one of those 14 slot double high BA23 rack mount chassis that DEC used on big MicroVAX systems. It probably wasn't called a BA23, but it was effectively two BA23s stacked up, with two power supplies, a double backplane and room for four 5 1/4" drives. Just in case somebody happens to have one lying around that they don't want :-) Bob

21 years, 9 months

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resubscribing to list

by lgwalker＠mts.net

I am resubscribing to the list after about 2 years absence due to the # of posts, the DEC and mini predominance, and the time I was spending going thru the posts. I had also forgotten the access to info and the humor and off-beat perspectives of many of the members. The final thrust was the post by Tony Duell which I am still giggling about. > And FWIW, according to the current UK educational standards I don't know > how to use a computer (!)... > -tony So I'm back unless Jay rejects me. And I imagine some members will not welcome the crazy Canuck. Too bad Ward (Mr. TRS-80) still hasn't relented. (I hear a collective groan from some members) Lawrence

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New finds. Silicon Graphics Personal iris.

by cvisors＠gmail.com

Hi all, its been a while since I have had a decent find of some good machines, but anyway yesterday I got given two personal IRISes. One seems to be dead, as it doesn't seem to pass the diagnostics, the other well it will boot, but the os is hosed on one of the disks, and refuses to boot into single user mode. The other disk which has a realy old version of IRIX (3.3.1) is at the moment attempting to boot, I have got the UNIX copywrite boiler plate, followed by the version of IRIX it's trying to boot, but nothing else.. But it seems to be going through a file system check, as the drive light is pretty much on solid (well its pulsing) , but this has been going on for a few hours. And as I have no idea how long fsck would take on one of these older machines I plan to leave it running for a while to see if it will get anywhere. The other cool things I got with this machine, are manuals galore (Including the Personal Iris Owner's Guide). And one of the installation tapes. (But no tape drive) Does anyone know where one can source the older versions of IRIX for these machines, be it cd or tape images? I know this machine could run IRIX 5.3 which one could get off ebay, but as this machine only has 16 meg of ram, I would prefer to run one of the older versions of IRIX on it, be it 3.x.x or 4.x.x as I haven't ever realy played round with these older versions of UNIX before. Benjamin -- one you lock the target two you bait the line three you slowly spread the net and four you catch the man Front 242 Headhunter

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Two free SGI Personal Iris systems, Melbourne Australia

by lists＠popcorn.cx

Greetings, About a year ago, amongst a bunch of stuff from a university, I picked up three SGI Personal Iris systems. They didn't all have hard drives and I think one of the keyboards is dodgy so my plan was to sell one on ebay (which I did) and get a working system out of the last two. This has not happened and I don't forsee it happening in the near future, plus I need the space... I did take a few pictures (just after i got them) for my site and they can be found at http://popcorn.cx/computers/sgi/iris/ What there is: - Two SGI Personal Iris units, '4D/20 ENTRY' configuration (but I'm not sure if they are still that configuration) - Two 21" monitors (see pictures) - Two keyboards - One mouse (maybe two but definitely only one of the special red/blue mouse pads for the early optical mice) - At least one video cable per monitor - Various Irix administration and programming manuals (see the pictures for titles) The cost: Free. The catch: You have to pick it all up from Glen Waverley, Melbourne, Australia. Also since they came from a student computer lab where they booted off the network they will almost definitely need some degree of operating system reinstall. I'll give it a week or two but after that I'll try and find a computer recycling place that will take them, otherwise it is off to the tip (rubbish tip that is)... Stephen -- _ _ _ Stephen Edmonds _/ \_ / \_/ \ Melbourne, Australia <_ " _> / \ / O \ / " \ stephen(a)popcorn.cx / ___ \ | O | http://popcorn.cx/ \_____/ \___/

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WTB: MIT Radiation Lab books

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Hi, I have a couple of the MIT Radiation Laboratory electronics books that were published in the late 1940s and I'd like to get the rest of them. Does anyone have any of them that they're willing to part with? Joe

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The Future of Commodore (fwd from cbm-hackers)

by spectre＠floodgap.com

Those of you on cbm-hackers will have already seen this message. Some preamble: Commodore, just yesterday (see www.commodoreworld.com) was reintroduced by trademark holder Tulip as an electronics subsidiary. Most of their current and envisioned product line is fairly unimpressive me-too products including an iPod/iTunes ripoff and they're actually trying to resell the old Epyx Commodore 64 titles to which they have acquired the rights. One thing that has not endeared Tulip to the Commodore community was an attempt to grind down on trademark enforcement. First it was the Commodore name and logo, and then the system ROMs, and there is also some argument over the IP of the 64 itself. Apparently a collabourator called Ironstone is developing a new 64 of their own, separate from the C-1 being created by Jeri Ellsworth, which is nearing completion. There is worry that Ironstone/Tulip will clamp down on new hardware development as a result. What appears below is a note about the new policies by Ruud Baltissen, who was one of the speakers at Commodore's "relaunch" yesterday and a long time member of the Commodore community who was asked to speak at their launch likely as an attempt to bridge the (at the moment) contentious gulf between the classic community and the new corporate environment. Anyone have any comments? This seems like the C64 community is going to get stomped on. (None of this affects the Amiga, AFAIK, which is not owned by Tulip.) ----- Forwarded message from Baltissen, GJPAA ----- From: "Baltissen, GJPAA (Ruud)" <--> To: "'cbm-hackers@..'" Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:29:19 +0200 Subject: CommodoreWorld Hallo allemaal, As some of you already know, yesterday the new Commodore presented itself to the world. I was invited as well to speak to the community as one of the users. I felt awfull when on stage :( Most important thing: I have spoken with the top of Tulip and Commodore, four men. One thing we have discussed are the sites like FUNET and ARNOLD, sites that archive ROMs and games. Regarding the games, utilities and other non-system-ROMs they were clear: they considered that as there legal property and as they wanted to make money with it, they would protect these rights. And with reason, see later. Personal point of view: I understand completely and accept it. (But I cannot say I like it). The system-ROMs are another matter. They realise that the C= community is as it is nowadays, thanks to you guys and the information that is available worldwide. Three of the four agree that there has to be made an arrangement or whatever where both parties, Commodore and we developers, could live with. I spoke with the fourth guy, one of the original Tulip-guys and merely money orientated, and showed him things the community had developed on their own the last ten years: Retro Replay, X1541, IDE64, 64HDD and.... Marko's CD. He was impressed and would think things over. But don't blame him as a person, he is a nice guy IMHO, but one that has to run a bussines. A small problem is that they want to sell or include an emulator with one of their products. But they realise that the community as it is now probably is not waiting for their emulator as there are some very good ones available for free. With this emulator they have a reason to forbid publishing systemROMs as wel but..... I spoke with Darren Melbourne, the man behind Ironstone, as well. Ironstone is responsible for the C64-joystick C= will start to sell around october/november. I, of course, asked him about the hardware. The bad news: it will a single chip ASIC. I only forgot to ask him if the ROM with OS and games were inside the ASIC or apart. The good news: I know about who is behind the development of this C64 and therefor we can expect quite some suprises: - The new C64 will have at least 265 colours - It will have higher resolutions - It will have two SID's onboard - The ASIC runs on 27 MHz. I hardly can imagine it needs 27 cycles to emulate one of the original C64. - I asked Darren if there are plans to produce a big C64 based on this print. So he revealed that, although it resembles a joystick, all connections of the normal ports are available in the form of pads. So one could solder his own expansionport, userport or whatever to this stick. - Regarding the extra features: they want to publish the memorymap and other technical details so programmers are able to develop new games etc. for this new C64. The disclaimer: The above info is given by me as it was told me. I'm only human and I could have understood some things wrong. Etc., etc., etc. About the person: Darren doesn't mind to tell me who it is but the person self does because of a personal reason. This C64-joystick is the reason they want to protect their legal rights about the games. But they also want to stimulate the old community to develop programs for this new C64, the community that has thrived on the availability of ROMs and other information. And you won't be making friends by taking away that where those friends are thriving on :) Another point is the makers of hardware like Maurice Randall but also people like Markus Brenner and the Czechs who produce the IDE64. Particulary those who produce hardware that is to be connected to the userport or expansionport. I didn't realise it but these ports are intellectual properties of Commodore as well. So actually anyone building hardware for these ports has to pay C= a fee as well. Regarding Maurice, he bought the stuff from CMD and Tulip/Commodore doesn't know what agreement CMD had with the original C=. Regarding others: three of the four agreed that as long as no big money is involved, they leave the situation as it is. I mentioned the above in my speach and the fourth guy told me he started to realise that actions against these people would loose them a lot of sympathy of the old community as well. The fact is: Commodore/Tulip thrives on the fact that the name Commodore is know worlwide and on the sympathy created (merely) by the C64. So they want to avoid any action that will loose this precious sympathy. But they have a bussiness to run so some things are unavoidable. So: - sites publishing games and related software owned by Commodore have to remove it. - sites publishing kernals/systemROMs are tolerated for the moment [1]. - producers of hardware are tolerated as long as there is not really big money involved for the moment [1]. Rereading the above I may sound a bit pro-Tulip but it is a fact that they have the law on their side. Yesterday I used this example: imagine you inherit a fruitgarden with apples and pears, which has been left alone for ten years. Because nobody cared, the neighbouhood got used to pick their own fruit every autumn. You as the new owner, are only interested in the apples as the pears have no real commercial value for you. So you can leave them hanging to rot or.... tell the neighbourhood generously to help themself with the pears as you don't have a really need for them for the moment [1]. As you have the law on your side, most people will accept the situation. But what are you going to do with people that still pick (thus steal) your apples as well? [1] notice the "for the moment". Lets face it, things can change in the future. But I have been there and I left with a good feeling. And now you can shoot..... -- ___ / __|__ / / |_/ Groetjes, Ruud \ \__|_\ \___| URL: Ruud.C64.org =====DISCLAIMER================================================================= De informatie in dit e-mailbericht is vertrouwelijk en uitsluitend bestemd voor de geadresseerde. Wanneer u dit bericht per abuis ontvangt, verzoeken wij u contact op te nemen met de afzender per kerende e-mail. Verder verzoeken wij u in dat geval dit e-mailbericht te vernietigen en de inhoud ervan aan niemand openbaar te maken. Wij aanvaarden geen aansprakelijkheid voor onjuiste, onvolledige dan wel ontijdige overbrenging van de inhoud van een verzonden e-mailbericht, noch voor daarbij overgebrachte virussen. The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be privileged. It may be read, copied and used only by the intended recipient. If you have received it in error, please contact the sender immediately by return e-mail; please delete in this case the e-mail and do not disclose its contents to any person. We don't accept liability for any errors, omissions, delays of receipt or viruses in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. Message was sent through the cbm-hackers mailing list ----- End of forwarded message from Baltissen, GJPAA ----- -- ---------------------------------- personal: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Floodgap Systems Ltd * So. Calif., USA * ckaiser(a)floodgap.com -- The world only beats a path to your door when you're in the bathroom. ------

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awesome collection of older data books, manuals etc.

by nbreeden2＠comcast.net

Not sure if this has already been posted or not, there is what looks to be an awesome collection of older data books, manuals etc. for auction on E-Bay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6907274702&sspagename=STK %3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 I emailed the person selling them, he estimates them at 1000lbs. They are for local pickup only (NJ area). -Neil

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Apple IIe's

by jdjdmfamily＠yahoo.com

hello, you have 10 iie's with cards and software are you willing to sell some? I need the courvs 74mb thing and the "transporter". PLease let me know. THanks So Much, JIm j.

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L @@K RARE MINIVAC 601, 1961 COMPUTER, UNIVAC, EXC L@@K

by esharpe＠uswest.net

L@@K RARE MINIVAC 601, 1961 COMPUTER, UNIVAC, EXC L@@K wow... some one shure choked this down for 600+ bucks.. silly me I thought they were $300 high! Please check our web site at http://www.smecc.org to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us. address: coury house / smecc 5802 w palmaire ave glendale az 85301

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Commodore 75BM13 monitor ?

by lgwalker＠mts.net

I recently acquired a Commodore 75BM13 monitor. Its' signal-in port is a female 6-pin Din like the C64 serial port. It was manufactured in 1986. The 1902 (non-A) also had a 6-pin port and a cable with an 8-pin on the computer end but I tend to doubt this was a low-cost alternative. The M13 part of the model # undoubtably stands for monochrome 13". I've been unable to find any info on it other than a few oblique references in the CBM newsgroup and a Commodore monitor list with no specs and a question mark opposite a similar model 76BM13. Anyone know what this model might have been used with ? When looking thru my cable stash I came across a cable with the same pin-out on both ends and also "monitor" printed on one end and "computer" on the other end. It didn't come with the monitor and I'm curious what it may be for. Anyone recognize it ? Thank you. I'm no longer on the list but browse it occasionally when I have time. Lawrence

21 years, 9 months

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DEC Technical Journals - F.A.

by arcarlini＠iee.org

I'm auctioning some excess (duplicate) DEC Technical Journals and a few duplicate DEC manuals: http://cgi6.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&include=0& userid=dampingwire&sort=2&rows=100&since=-1&rd=1 That will probably wrap horribly, so just search for seller dampingwire. The ones that might interest this list are - the "VAX 8600" - the "MicroVAX II" and - the "Internet and Performance". That last one has an article by Max Burnett and Bob Supnik that covers computer preservation (PDPs etc) and emulation (SIMH). Antonio -- --------------- Antonio Carlini arcarlini(a)iee.org

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Places To Visit in NYC?

by ohh＠drizzle.com

Hey, all: Any good places to visit in New York City?... and I should be clear that I'm asking regarding classic-computing kinds of places, rather than MOMA or Shea Stadium or the hellish Disneyesque nightmare that Times Square has become. :) -O.- (who knows I'll be visiting at least two of those in the next week or so, but that's strictly a coincidence)

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Casio CFX-40

by tomhudson＠execpc.com

I just found out about this list and thought I'd mention that I've just listed a Casio CFX-40 scientific calculator watch (circa 1985) on ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4906266445). I bought my original CFX-40 back when they were originally sold, and started getting paranoid that it was going to die, so I bought some spares from a guy who had a few of them. Well, my original watch is still going strong, so I decided to unload one of the spares on ebay. I love this watch! My wife once joked that if anything ever happened to my CFX-40, she was worried that I'd off myself! Seriously, I told her after getting the spares that she never had to worry about getting me a Rolex or anything, because this is the only watch I would ever need, or want. When the year 2000 rolled around I was a bit concerned that it wouldn't properly deal with the calendar issues, but it never had any problem with it. Those Japanese engineers really know their stuff. I'm a programmer, and since this is the classic computer list, I thought I'd mention that my first computer was a Compucolor II, an 8080-based system with a color screen and built-in floppy drive and a whopping 32K(!) of memory. I think I kept it running for 9 months once without it blowing up. It was great -- The thing normally died fairly routinely, but I remember sitting at it one day and my mom came into the room (I was in college) and I said something about how great it was that the computer seemed to be getting more reliable. The VERY NEXT MORNING I turned it on and there was a loud SNAP! and smoke came out of it. There was no local repair center so I had to take it 180 miles to Kansas City for service. Any other Compucolor veterans out there? -Tom

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Places To Visit in NYC?

by evan947＠yahoo.com

I happen to like Disney World. Anyway, re: New York. There used to be a great store downtown called Computer Bookworks, but I think it's gone now. There is the famous J&R Music and Computer World, which is no Fry's, but is still a fun and large store to wander around. Across the river are the Stevens Institute of Technology (in Hoboken) and the New Jersey Institute of Technology (in Newark.) Both are easily reached by train from Manhattan. If you're interested in the history of PDAs/handheld computers, then you're welcome to contact me -- been working hard on building a nice collection. As for baseball, I highly recommend Yankee Stadium, not Shea! I am, however, a lifelong Yankees fan. :) Evan > At 06:16 PM 6/18/04 -0700, you wrote: > > > > > >Hey, all: > > > >Any good places to visit in New York City?... and I should be clear that > >I'm asking regarding classic-computing kinds of places, rather than MOMA > >or Shea Stadium > > > >or the hellish Disneyesque nightmare that Times Square has > >become. :) > > Sheesh, be glad that you don't live here in central Florida, home of > Dismal World! > > Joe > > At least Orlando has Universal Studios, you can skip Disneyland and head there.

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The Future of Commodore (fwd from cbm-hackers)

by jbmcb＠hotmail.com

How about an all-singing, all-dancing super Commodore emulator? Emulates PET, C16, VIC20, C64, Plus4, C128, Amiga 500/1000/2000, all relevant cartridge and expansion slots, internal IDE hard drive to store program, and disk/tape images. >From: Cameron Kaiser <spectre(a)floodgap.com> >Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic >Posts"<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> >To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: The Future of Commodore (fwd from cbm-hackers) >Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 07:01:08 -0700 (PDT) >I spoke with Darren Melbourne, the man behind Ironstone, as well. Ironstone >is responsible for the C64-joystick C= will start to sell around >october/november. I, of course, asked him about the hardware. >The bad news: it will a single chip ASIC. I only forgot to ask him if the >ROM with OS and games were inside the ASIC or apart. >The good news: I know about who is behind the development of this C64 and >therefor we can expect quite some suprises: >- The new C64 will have at least 265 colours >- It will have higher resolutions >- It will have two SID's onboard >- The ASIC runs on 27 MHz. I hardly can imagine it needs 27 cycles to >emulate one of the original C64. >- I asked Darren if there are plans to produce a big C64 based on this >print. So he revealed that, although it resembles a joystick, all >connections of the normal ports are available in the form of pads. So one >could solder his own expansionport, userport or whatever to this stick. >- Regarding the extra features: they want to publish the memorymap and >other >technical details so programmers are able to develop new games etc. for >this >new C64. > _________________________________________________________________ Getting married? Find great tips, tools and the latest trends at MSN Life Events. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married

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Resend: TSZ07, "5F MOTOR FAULT"

by drb＠msu.edu

Pardon the nag. If anyone has any clues on working on these drives, or thoughts about someone who can fix them (cost?) would be greatly appreciated. Is this drive a rebadged F-880? Dennis Boone ------- Forwarded Message To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org From: Dennis Boone <drb(a)msu.edu> Subject: TSZ07, "5F MOTOR FAULT" Reply-to: drb(a)msu.edu Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 18:32:08 -0400 Sender: drb(a)yagi.h-net.msu.edu Dear all, I just obtained a TSZ07, and of course promptly tried to load a tape. The drive blows for a while, rotating the front hub, routinely seems to get the tape about halfway through the serpentine path, then emits an error message "5F MOTOR FAULT". The rear hub seems to be moving at least some, the front hub works the way I remember these units working. (Ok, _my_ memories are of 1600bpi Cipher-badged units from my Prime days.) Any suggestions, or am I screwed? Thanks, Dennis Boone ------- End of Forwarded Message

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Washington DC classic computing resources/museums?

by jplist＠kiwigeek.com

Greetings all; I'm heading off to DC tomorrow, and it occurred to me while there are all the usual haunts for museums (NASM, Holocaust, monuments, so on, so forth) that there quite possibly is a computing museum, or at least "Warehouse o' Junk" somewhere in DC. Anyone have suggestions as to things to look at along this vein? JP

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Master 5S external 5.25" floppy drive for Atari

by d_cymbal＠hotmail.com

Can anyone give me the lowdown on this drive? I found a drive and power adapter, but no docs. There are some dips on the back. Thanks.

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need hex prom code or source for Intel MDS-800 monitor

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Steve I've got the source someplace if Joe doesn't come up with it before I do. Of course, I should be able to do a ROM dump but I'll be busy with a couple things this and next weekend. Dwight >From: "Steve Thatcher" <melamy(a)earthlink.net> >> >I have finally had time to start bringing up my Northstar Horizon system. What I was hoping was that someone had the hex prom code or source for the Intel monitor in the MDS-800. In past time, I actually had ISIS-II running on a Northstar system and it requires a Intel style monitor program at 0f800H. Once I get access to my 8" disks again, I will be able to supply modified source that would allow someone else to do the same thing. > >best regards, Steve Thatcher >

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A case for downgrading to PCs (was: WARNING: RANTING COMPUTERNUT...

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Most know about motor rotation but he was talking about delta versus Y. This can be quite different. Dwight >From: "Antonio Carlini" <arcarlini(a)iee.org> > >> I can't think of a specific incident like that, but I do know >> that our University uses a non-standard order of phases, and >> that all the electrical contractors who come on site get a >> lecture about it, for obvious reasons! > >What's a "standard order of phases"? I know if you inadvertently >swap any two you potentially end up spinning the other way. For >some things this matters and for other it doesn't. > >I can only assume I'm missing something obvious ... > >Antonio > >-- > >--------------- >Antonio Carlini arcarlini(a)iee.org > >

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OT: EBay UK search hanging

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Knowing that there's a few EBay users on the list who also know how to fix modern software... :-) On the rare occasions that I do actually bother to search EBay for anything classic computer related I quite often find that hitting the search submit button just hangs, with the browser (Opera under Linux in my case) sitting there saying "Waiting for DNS confirmation of cookie domain(s)". If I open another browser window at this point and then try and go to any other site it'll just sit there with the same message. If I close the browser and come back later it's fine. Very frustrating. Anyone else see this or know what causes it? I've *only* seen it happen trying to do an Ebay search, never with any other website - but it's been this way for months. Whilst it's hung like this in the browser I can do DNS lookups from the shell fine, so it's not a DNS problem or a local configuration problem. I assume Opera happens to use shared DNS lookup code and for some reason something to do with EBay's search *sometimes* makes it hang. Presumably others might be able to shed some light on this, or at least confim / deny that they've seen similar problems with EBay UK from different platforms and browsers... cheers Jules

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Compiling a list of "neo-retro" hardware

by vcf＠siconic.com

I'd like to create a resource listing of all the neo-retro hardware being developed today. For example: - IDE or CF interfaces for the Apple ][ and other 8-bits, - IDE HD interfaces for minis like Bob Shannon's for the HP1000, etc. - Vince's M452X and W076X PDP-8 replacement boards - Vince Briel's Replica-1 - Catweasel (I count this as "neo-retro" because it's useful to us) - Bob Armstrong's SBC6120 - etc. So basically, I'd like to know about any new hardware (and I guess software) being developed and/or sold for vintage computers. I'm going to compile a directory for this stuff and I also have other plans that may or may not come to fruition. I imagine you can post them to the list since it might be useful for other folks to know about these projects, but please copy me directly <sellam(a)vintage.org>. Thanks! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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Interesting part

by vcf＠siconic.com

I was scrounging around in a surplus electronics shop the other day and came across an interesting part. It was a Delay Line, part number ADL-CN037. I forgot who the manufacturer was, but it was someone big and established (GE maybe)? Anyone know what this is? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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Intel i960 MC Programmer's Reference Manual

by RMeenaks＠OLF.COM

Hi, Picked this up on ebay and have no use for it (I really wanted the i860 Programmer's Manual that came with this), so if anyone wants it let me know $3 + shipping... Thanks, Ram (c) 2004 OpenLink Financial Copyright in this message and any attachments remains with us. It is confidential and may be legally privileged. If this message is not intended for you it must not be read, copied or used by you or disclosed to anyone else. Please advise the sender immediately if you have received this message in error. Although this message and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Open Link Financial, Inc. for any loss or damage in any way arising from its use.

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Jupitor Ace on eBay

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi There is a Jupiter Ace for sale on eBay. It is in the UK and has the PAL type output ( faster processor ). It comes with a large pile of software. I sure hope someone in this group gets it. Dwight

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Fun new stuff

by aw288＠osfn.org

Here is a bit of good mainframe junk recently obtained: http://users.bestweb.net/~toober/images/3803.front.jpg http://users.bestweb.net/~toober/images/3803.open.jpg http://users.bestweb.net/~toober/images/3420.front.jpg http://users.bestweb.net/~toober/images/3420.open.jpg Basically, the big blue box is an IBM 3803 Tape Control Unit - the brain that connects 3420 Tape Units (one of three is pictured) to an S/370 thru a Bus & Tag channel. The 3803 and two of the 3420s are from 1972, and the third 3420 may be from 1980. The 3803 apparently works - it was in service quite recently - but all three of the 3420s have problems. Luckily, I obtained a full set of MLMs (service binders) for the units, plus some Bus & Tag cables. Note the 3803 has a full control panel. It better, as it has more electronics in it than most minis of the era. William Donzelli aw288(a)osfn.org

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FIND: Commodore SuperPET SP9000 + 2040

by paul＠mirams.org

Hi If you don't want them, i would be interested. Thanks Paul paul(a)mirams.org ________________________________ From: cctech-bounces(a)classiccmp.org on behalf of Paul R. Santa-Maria Sent: Thu 6/17/2004 11:13 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: FIND: Commodore SuperPET SP9000 + 2040 If you need manuals for your SuperPET then I have the following: SuperPET... Waterloo BASIC (2) System Overview (2) Waterloo 6809 Assembler Waterloo microFORTRAN (2) Waterloo microPASCAL (2) Waterloo microCOBOL Waterloo microBASIC Waterloo microAPL The first one is published by WATFAC and the rest are published by SAMS. -- Paul Monroe, Michigan USA

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need hex prom code or source for Intel MDS-800 monitor

by melamy＠earthlink.net

I have finally had time to start bringing up my Northstar Horizon system. What I was hoping was that someone had the hex prom code or source for the Intel monitor in the MDS-800. In past time, I actually had ISIS-II running on a Northstar system and it requires a Intel style monitor program at 0f800H. Once I get access to my 8" disks again, I will be able to supply modified source that would allow someone else to do the same thing. best regards, Steve Thatcher

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OT: Re: Duplicate Posts - Burst Posts...

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

> > That, however, is a good idea. Might do that myself. > > -spc (Didn't hear of that one ... ) Hi One of the things that would knock out a lot right now would be to reject any mail that contained html pointers that had the recipients email address or name in it. This is almost always junk. Dwight

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Modern Blinkenlights

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 17, 23:31, Teo Zenios wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Donzelli" <aw288(a)osfn.org> > > The "old" (mid 1990s) Bay routers have a large amount of blinkenlights > > inside. Pretty neat, but I don't know what they did. > > I have a Bay Networks Instant Internet 100 router and it has 7 blinking > lights on the front, each one does mean something but only a few actually > blink constantly when in normal use. I have a Newbridge Orange Ridge 12-port 10/100 switch in the office, which I keep because each port has 5 LEDs: Tx, Rx, Link, Collision, 100Mb/s. It also has some status LEDs and a set for its ATM port. It looks like Christmas every day :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Vector Graphic

by gtulloch＠shaw.ca

Hello all: I recently acquired a pair of Vector Graphic MZ systems - I've always had a fondness for Vectors since I had a chance to play with a hard drive equipped version in the early 90s when I was a consultant transitioning a company from the Vectors to PCs. One of the MZs worked very well, one worked not so well. To appease the wife, I sold the good one and am now looking to get the other one up and running. The issue seems to be minor, the Flashwriter II that's in the box is throwing up garbage on the "terminal" and not interpreting keystrokes properly. Anyone familiar with these puppies who might be able to give me some pointers? I've noticed a real dearth of info online for these boxes so I'll be putting a site up to start gathering info. If there's any lurkers out there playing with Vectors, send me a note, I'd love to compare notes. Thanks! Regards, Gord

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Do you want old Amiga manuals?

by tosteve＠yahoo.com

I have a box of old Amiga manuals for free - you pay shipping. Probably over 20 pounds in a large box. I don't have a list of what's there, shout-out if you're interested. Manuals only, no software. STS __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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Plus Passport

by vcf＠siconic.com

I'm trying to find information and/or a controller card for the Plus Passport. Plus (Plus Development Corporation) is the same company that made the Hardcard. The Passport is a removeable drive chassis. You install the chassis into your PC and then the hard drive modules slide into it and connect to a connector on the back end. You boot the computer, do your work, then when you're done for the day you slide the hard drive out and take it with you. I've got the chassis but need the interface card and/or any drivers that it may have required. Has anyone ever heard of one of these things, or used one, or have what I need? Thanks! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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MPF-1B manuals

by cfostier00＠versateladsl.be

Hello have you a copy of the mpf-1b manuals now? Is it possible to receive a copy of your copy? Thank you and best regards. Fostier Claudy.

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FIND: Commodore SuperPET SP9000 + 2040

by paulrsm＠buckeye-express.com

If you need manuals for your SuperPET then I have the following: SuperPET... Waterloo BASIC (2) System Overview (2) Waterloo 6809 Assembler Waterloo microFORTRAN (2) Waterloo microPASCAL (2) Waterloo microCOBOL Waterloo microBASIC Waterloo microAPL The first one is published by WATFAC and the rest are published by SAMS. -- Paul Monroe, Michigan USA

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A case for downgrading to PCs (was: WARNING: RANTING COMPUTERNUT...

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "der Mouse" <mouse(a)rodents.montreal.qc.ca> > >> Most know about motor rotation but he was talking about delta versus >> Y. This can be quite different. > >What _is_ the difference between delta and Y? A while ago we had a >discussion that ended up revolving around what point is grounded >("neutral"). As far as I can see, delta and Y are basically >equivalent, provided you don't try to refer anything to ground (or >anything else beyond the three phases), and provided you don't overload >anything. > >Am I missing something? They would be the same if one only connected the points of the three phase. The problem is one often ties 120V stuff between on of the legs and the neutral center of the Y. If one has three balanced 120V, everything is OK. If not, one will have all the voltage drop and bang! Dwight

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Gordon Bell's Computer Structures: Readings and Examples book is online!

by esharpe＠cox.net

was going through some books to add to the reference library here at the museum and ran across a most excellent book Computer Structures: Readings and Examples by Gordon Bell..... has the inside facts on many early system and even the 9100A HP calc. also to my surprise I found it online at the below listed url. http://www.research.microsoft.com/~gbell/Computer_Structures__Readings_and_… If you have plesnty of disc space you may want to archive it in case this link ever goes away.... Happy reading! Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC Please check our web site at http://www.smecc.org to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us. address: coury house / smecc 5802 w palmaire ave glendale az 85301

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A case for downgrading to PCs (was: WARNING: RANTING COMPUTERNUT...

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 17, 23:48, Antonio Carlini wrote: > > I can't think of a specific incident like that, but I do know > > that our University uses a non-standard order of phases, and > > that all the electrical contractors who come on site get a > > lecture about it, for obvious reasons! > > What's a "standard order of phases"? I know if you inadvertently > swap any two you potentially end up spinning the other way. For > some things this matters and for other it doesn't. Exactly. Apparently one order is more common than the other, and we use the "uncommon" one, but I can't remember which is which. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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O(ff)T? or O(n)T? 22DISK on a PC

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 17, 21:38, Jules Richardson wrote: > On Thu, 2004-06-17 at 20:29, Joe R. wrote: > > At 09:22 PM 6/16/04 +0100, you wrote: > > > > > In that case, you might want to give this a try. > > <http://www.jasons-toolbox.com/Articles/BootItNG/>. > > I don't recall Pete saying he needed to tweak an existing partition on a > drive though - or is there some other justifcation for using that > software? The problem of having DOS and Windows coexist. It might be OK with XP, which certainly coexists happily with earlier versions of Windows; I don't know if that extends to DOS but I'm sure I'd find out quite quickly if I tried it :-) If I do I'll let the list know in case it helps anyone else who needs an environment for retro software/hardware. > Currently I triple-boot the desktop PC between Linux, Windows 2k and DOS > 6.22 - but I'm using SCSI disks, so Linux and Windows co-exist on the > larger drive and DOS has a seperate drive all to itself. I just change > the boot SCSI ID in the SCSI BIOS to boot from the DOS drive when I need > to. Not sure if there's an equivalent if you're using IDE drives though. Yes, it's called a DPDT switch ;-) Or you can just use a boot floppy. > As an aside, I'm curious as to what (if any) equivalents to 22disk there > are for Linux. Certainly it's probably a more viable platform if you > want to have hardware fitted at strange addresses or outside the scope > of the BIOS than DOS is. I've not seen anything and in fact last time I looked at Linux's support for non-PC formats, notably anything that started it's sector numbering at zero as %deity intended, it was sadly lacking (but that was quite a while ago) > I have no idea what sort of control the kernel headers allow you over > the floppy controller(s) though. Of course you probably have a good > reason for using 22disk - either a) because it's there That's the main reason. I'd use teledisk for disk images, as people seem to use that much more often. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Lodging for VCF East 2.0

by vcf＠siconic.com

I've arranged lodging for VCF East. I've got a room block reserved at the Marriott Burlington. $69 a night if you pay in advance (no cancellation/refund) or $79 a night if you just reserve in advance. It's a pretty good deal, considering this is a 3-* facility with internet access in each room (I don't know if there's an extra charge for that, but probably). It's also within walking distance of Sun's campus. More information is here: http://www.vintage.org/2004/east/lodging.php I'm sure there are other cheapie hotels in the area but you'll have to find them yourself. A good place to start is to go to Yahoo! maps, put "Network Drive" in "Burlington, MA" into the search box, and then click on the links to find local hotels. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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Lodging for VCF East 2.0

by vcf＠siconic.com

I've arranged lodging for VCF East. I've got a room block reserved at the Marriott Burlington. $69 a night if you pay in advance (no cancellation/refund) or $79 a night if you just reserve in advance. It's a pretty good deal, considering this is a 3-* facility with internet access in each room (I don't know if there's an extra charge for that, but probably). It's also within walking distance of Sun's campus. More information is here: http://www.vintage.org/2004/east/lodging.php I'm sure there are other cheapie hotels in the area but you'll have to find them yourself. A good place to start is to go to Yahoo! maps, put "Network Drive" in "Burlington, MA" into the search box, and then click on the links to find local hotels. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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O(ff)T? or O(n)T? 22DISK on a PC

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

I've put off asking about this in view of the discussion about what's on/off topic, but I need some help from Those Who Know These Things. My specific requirement is to put together a PC to run 22DISK, my DOS-only PAL/PROM programmer software, and the like. It will run DOS 6.22 in a FAT16 partition (and probably WinXP in another partition because I will not permit more than one PC in my workshop, but that part is definitely off topic so I mention it no further). I want it to be able to support single-density floppies, and eventually 8" drives too. Available "ingredients" are an Intel SE440BX motherboard (if it matters) with a P2 400 and stupid Intel/Phoenix BIOS, a Teac FD-55GFR 5.25" floppy drive, choice of any number of 3.5" floppy drives, the usual other bits that go to make a PC, and a few harddisk/floppy controllers, including a Western Digital WD1006V-MM2 F002, and a Western Digital WDAT-240. I have a couple of older no-name ISA floppy cards but I suspect they won't support HD floppies (though I wonder if they'd support 8" DD? Same speed...) and I probably have other 5.25" drives somewhere. I picked those controllers, by the way, because they have 37C65 FDCs and the magic second (9.6MHz) crystals and are reputed to do SD correctly. A problem is the braindamaged BIOS/mobo, which only handles one floppy. Yes, really; not content with bastardising the interface to enable cables-with-a-twist, they've removed all drive selects but one. No pins, no PCB tracks, or in the words of the manual, "no connection". However, if I disable the onboard FDC in the BIOS, I can persuade the machine to see the FDC on a WD1006V-MM2. Only it won't boot; it gets so far and then hangs. It almost looks as if disabling the FDC in the BIOS actually disables support for an FDC at the primary address, and MS-DOS can't complete the boot. Do I need to do something with CONFIG.SYS? Maybe it would be better to leave the onboard FDC alone, and use the WD controller as a secondary? I guess I do need DRIVER.SYS for that, yes? I have a similar problem with the HD controller. I want to use two IDE channels, but I can't disable the HDC on a WD card; I can only change the address between primary and secondary - and I can't even do that on the WDAT-240, unless someone here knows something I don't. But I can't get the PC to work properly with the IDE controller on the WDAT-240; if I leave the onboard controller enabled, they fight, and if I disable the onboard controller in the BIOS, it seems to stop the WD controller working properly. Any suggestions? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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ROCC R2840 systems

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Anyone know what these are? Just been offered a couple of processor boxes with cache streamers, front-loading reel tape drives with vacuum load, and some sort of disk units ("platters the size of dinner plates" I was quoted) + terminals, printers, cabling etc. I'm awaiting photos, thought I'd ask in the meantime though. I assumed at first (from the mention of the size of things and the age) that it was "just" rebranded DEC stuff, but I could be wrong. Google didn't seem to have anything useful to say on 'ROCC' though, other than a modern systems company who could well have been around in the 70's selling rebadged equipment I suppose... Sounds like stuff that should be saved anyway, so reserve space in those garages now :-) cheers, Jules

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