- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Bob I just got a HP2113E. It is expecting to have a battery connected. I don't have a battery but I understand that one can use what is called a battery simulator plug. Do you have any information on what components this plug would have? Also, do you have any schematics for one of these supplies? It seems to be identical with the type B used by the 21MX machines. Dwight

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Vaian 620?

by aek＠spies.com

> Does anybody around still have one of these that works? yes, along with all the documentation am looking for software in any form (tape, paper tape or disc) There are several different 620's BTW 620-I 620-L 620-L/100

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HP 6101x and PCIB

by aek＠spies.com

I just picked up several dozen 6101x series PCIB instrument boxes and was wondering if anyone knows anything about them? What I've found so far is at: http://www.sismilich.com/hpjrnl.htm As usual, no interface card, software or power supplies. I did also find a short description of PCIB. Not quite totally unlike HPIB..

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Book, history of Bletchley Park

by foxvideo＠wincom.net

For anyone interested, the book"Action This Day", by Michael Smith and Ralph Erskine, which is a history of Bletchley Park, is available for $12.99 Canadian from: Hampstead House Books, 80 Doncaster Ave. Thornhill Ont. 1-800-361-1576 www.hhbooks.com I haven't had a chance to read mine, but it looks interesting. Cheers Charlie Fox Charles E. Fox Video Production 793 Argyle Rd. Windsor Ontario Canada N8Y 3J8 519-254-4991 foxvideo(a)wincom.net Check out the "Camcorder Kindergarten" at http://chasfoxvideo.com

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VCF and lisp machines

by aek＠spies.com

Bob, Bill VonHagen has a Lambda and would be interested in those boards, and I can use the NuMachine ones in a computer that I have.

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Free stuff (UK) again

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

I had a more careful look at the pile of terminal servers and hubs today, and found some more "stuff". I'm surprised I've had so little response, but if anyone definitely wants any of this, please let me know before the end of next week or it will be gone (crushed/landfill). However, if I know for sure that someone wants particular things, I can hold some of them for a little longer. qty.1 VT220, amber screen, working, in resonable condition, with keyboard qty.1 VT510, green (I think) screen, decent condition, with keyboard (There may be a few more VT510s or VT420s. Apparently someone found four in a storeroom this morning, but I've not inspected them yet.) qty.15 Emulex P4000 terminal servers, 32-port, network booting (DECnet or TCP/IP), with parallel port, BNC connector, AUI connector, and 32 MMJ ports. I'll throw in 32 short MMJ-to-RJ45 cables and an Allied Telesyn 10baseT microtransceiver with each. 1 is working (well, it powers up and passes the self-test); 5 are "faulty" (power light comes on but not much else happens -- probably faulty PSU), 3 are "dead" (almost certainly blown PSU), 4 have no PSU board, and there are two that I've not properly tested yet. qty.6 32-port 19" rackmount panels, 2U high, to take clip-in jacks (eg RJ45 couplers). Sorry, no spare RJ45 couplers. These were used with the terminal servers, we used short MMJ-RJ45 cables to connect the TS to the back of the panel, and connected normal patch leads to the front. You can buy couplers (but be warned, I've never yet seen one that met the Cat5 spec, despite some claims), or individual clip-in RJ45 sockets with Krone/110 punchdown connectors (which do meet Cat5/5e/6 specs) in various colours, BNC connectors, ST fibre connectors, etc. qty.?? several (a dozen or so) 3Com Linkbuilder FMS II 24-port hubs, 1U high 19" rackmount, mostly with management units. Good for the PSUs if you don't need a 10Mb/s hub :-) qty.?? several (a dozen or so) 3Com SuperStack II PS 40 24-port hubs, 1U high 19" rackmount, with on-board management. Neater than the FMS II hubs. Various expansion modules that plug into the back of 3Com hubs. You can fit two to a PS 40, or one to an FMS II: qty.10 AUI port, 10base5 module qty.1 BNC 10base2 module qty.5 Fanout module, like an AUI in reverse qty.1 AUI bridge -- looks like an AUI port but has a lot of electronics too qty.6 (or maybe more) fibre optic adaptor with 2 x ST connectors Also a box of Allied Telesyn AUI-to-10baseT microtransceivers, and several older (mostly 12-port) hubs that are good for the PSUs (and not much else IMHO). I'll be away from tomorrow night until Wednesday, but if you want any of this stuff, please email me. It seems a shame to scrap it completely. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Old IBM

by classiccmp.org＠irrelevant.fsnet.co.uk

An old IBM, XT? Ends midnight tonight (UK time) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5107012017&ssPageName=… As it's not got any bids yet, and is right around the corner from me (so can collect easily) and I haven't seen one in the flesh since they were brand new, I'll put in a bid for the minimum just to save it! :-) Should I actually win it at that price, then it'll be up for grabs for anybody on here who wants it - I don't have a lot of room to keep it for too long after I've had a nosey. (and have a pile of other stuff to go through and find homes for - watch this space) Rob

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Large-capacity 5.25" SCSI disks (Cambridge again)

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

I think I closed my email client without sending this yesterday - oops. Sorry if I'm repeating myself :) I've got the following 5.25" FH SCSI drives going spare: One Fujitsu M2266SA (1.2GB I think) Three Fujitsu M2652SA (around 2 GB) One Seagate PA4G1B (4.1GB I'm guessing??) Three Seagate ST410800 (9GB) Shout if interested, I'll see what I can hook them up to and test that they seem to work. Oh, anyone seen my post about SCSI cabinets to go with them yet? I've not seen that on the list even though I sent it yesterday. If it's lost in the ether I'll re-send tonight... cheers, Jules

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VCF East helpers

by vcf＠siconic.com

Who was volunteering for VCF East duty? Please e-mail me, and soon because I'm printing the name badges. All exhibitors/vendors will get an update/instructions on Sunday. Everyone (on the VCF mailing list) will get a general update on Sunday. Everyone else to whom I owe a favor or a response or whatever, I'm very sorry that I haven't gotten back to you, and you'll be a doll and continue to be patient possibly all the way through VCF East. I'll be out of town all next week and tomorrow is my only day to finish up preparations for VCF East. If you're going to be in Burlington at the end of the week then I'll see you there! Please e-mail me if there's anything urgent that needs to be addressed (with regards to VCF East...everything else will have to wait I'm afraid). -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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HP Software License Update.

by MGemeny＠pgcps.org

Some people at Hewlett Packard are willing to explore an updated "Non-Commercial Technology Enthusiast Software License" for older software products. As a part of this process your input is encouraged. (By posting to the list HP would be able to read your comments directly from the list archive, should they choose.) Information on existing licenses is encouraged. (Existing DEC licenses, etc.) This license is intended to add to existing Licenses and not to replace them. Although, your input in this regard is also encouraged. (If you have problems this would be a good time to get them out on the table.) Just as HP is willing to look at this issue from our prospective, we would ask that you also try to look at this issue from HP's prospective. (Don't just ask for the moon.) We would also like to ask if anyone knows the date of release of the last version of HP1000 RTE and also if anyone may know the date of the End-Of-Life of the HP1000 product line. (Yes it would seem that HP was threatening to end-of-life the HP1000 as early as the late 70's or early 80's but we're looking for the final end-of-life date.) Some people at HP are considering a recomendation for a license to software that is older than some age, and/or products that were at end-of-life more than some number of years ago. (The desire seems to be to exclude newer software such as HP3000 MPE from the license. The license would include software such as HP2000 Access. Inclusion of software such as HP1000 RTE is to-be-determined) Thanks in advance for all of the thoughtful input that this thread is sure to attract. Mike Gemeny

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Available: RS/6000 & PS/2 parts

by pat＠computer-refuge.org

I'm moving soon, and need to get rid of some things. Everything is priced to move. ;) I've got a set of 4x 64MB ram boards for an RS/6000 7012-3xx or 7013-5xx series machine, they came out of a 580. $5 + shipping for the lot The next lot of stuff came out of a PS/2 model 80: 1) 2x 92F0669 memory cards (1M or 2M, daughter board for model 80) 2) Token Ring card with DE9S connector, 16bit MCA, 25F7540 3) 32bit MCA memory expansion card (EMS?) with 4 SIMMs of unknown size 4) XGA card with 4 socketed ZIP memory chips (8 total) 5) 32bit MCA SCSI card, with internal cable, 15F6561 I'd like $5 + shipping for that as well. Next, 2x1.44MB PS/2-style floppy drives, with cover plates. $5 + shipping total for both. Finally, two AMD LabPro PLD programmers. Handles a bunch of older PALs/GALs, but I've got no documentation or software for them. I've heard that PALASM (the DOS program) works with them; PALASM is freely downloadable from somewhere, I don't remember where, but google found it before. $5 + shipping for both. That's all for now, I may post more stuff in the next few days as I sort through and move things. I'll randomly pick someone if more than one person wants one lot. I really don't want to split up lots, as that means I've got more boxes to ship. Anything not claimed gets trashed Tuesday evening. Don't bother asking on/after Wednesday, 7/15/04, as it'll be gone. Shipping will be from 47906. If you're going to be at VCF East, I can bring the stuff to you there, as I'll be going. Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCS --- http://www.itap.purdue.edu/rcs/ The Computer Refuge --- http://computer-refuge.org

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FW: Pimping VCF East...

by vcf＠siconic.com

On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, Bill Sudbrink wrote: > > Since I'm going to be exhibiting, I'm interested in having a > > lot of people show up for VCF East... general (or at least > > technically inclined) public as well as the "usual suspects". > > I noted that last fall's VCF West didn't show up on Slashdot > > until Saturday at 2 PM. A number of people complained that > > they would have attended with a little more notice. It did > > show up on Wired on Thursday. Should we try to talk it up? > > Is there a reason not to? Everyone should talk about it where ever they go, mentioning it at the oddest moments and to include in completely inappropriate settings :) That being said, a few submissions to Slashdot ought to get it /.'d. Brief mentions to your favoriate (appropriate) (or not) mailing lists and newsgroups would be cool. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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Commodore PET & 64 floppies (Cambridge UK.. again :)

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Saved from the tip again... I have beside me 15 boxes of 5.25" floppies which *appear* to be for the PET and '64 (mainly '64). Lots are unlabelled (just Commodore floppy jackets), Lots just marked as 'games', and some other assortments - serious applications etc. Any Commodore enthusiasts want to take this? At the very least hopefully someone can catalogue them for distribution to others if they're useful - I haven't got a Commodore PET or 64 on which to look at them... cheers Jules

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New Finds

by marvin＠rain.org

I finally have a couple of TI Silent 700 data terminals (looks like the TRS Model 100 ... kind of), 50 - 100 pounds of old databooks, and other books, docs, etc. for the classic computer era. The earliest docs were 1971/1972 Signetics and Fairchild logic databooks. I didn't take complete C-64 system in the hopes someone else would want it (they did), but I did get a box of C-64 docs and software. The best find (at least for me) was an HP Model 46 calculator that badly needs cleaning, but seems in pretty good shape otherwise. I just wish the carrying case and manual had come with it. The duplicates and stuff I don't want for my collection will be posted on VCF as I get time.

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4004 TIC-TAC-TOE Project

by vcf＠siconic.com

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004, John L. Weinrich wrote: > If you look a my web site you'll find that I have available for download the > three main design documents, Hardware, software, & FPGA. The hardware > design document contains all the information to build a complete system, > schematics, parts lists, drawings and such. The software design document > contains all the information to write the software and describes how the > TIC-TAC-TOE game is written. The FPGA design document describes the FPGA > in detail to include all addresses and nibbles (and bits) that the 4004 can > access. > > Also the FPFA schematic file is downloadable (.pdf) and all the software I > have written for the 4004 to date. > > I would have more available such as a .pdf of the 4004 datasheet but my web > site is max'd out (25MB). > > I have and can make available a CD that contains all the 4004 informatio I > have collected off the web and elsewhere that also includes all my design > information. > > Because of your link and the link at Chrisbot > (http://www.chrisbot.com/prog/4004/default.htm) others have searched the web > and found my site. Hi John. I'm posting this message to the Classic Computers mailing list to let other people know about this cool project. If you are having problems with bandwidth limitations, talk to Jay West <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>. He runs the CC mailing list and offers free hosting to people with vintage computing projects. For all reading, John's 4004 Tic-Tac-Toe project website is here: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jsweinrich/ Check it out...it's VERY cool. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

21 years, 9 months

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Microrobot Motor Mover?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Does anyone know exactly what this <http://home.cfl.rr.com/rigdon14/microrobot/box.jpg> is? I found it in a pile of surplus material yesterday. It appears to be a computerized controller for a robotic arm. The box is marked Microrobot Motor Mover. Inside it has a large circuit board with a 6502 CPU, two 68B05 MCU ICs, a 6522 VIA IC and an EPROM and two external DB-25F connectors. It looks like a complete microcomputer controller that can be controlled by a computer or via the front panel. There's also a daughter board that sits on top of the main circuit board. It also has two Opto 22 OAC% solid state relays that appear to control the AC sockets on the back of them box. Around the large hole in the main board, there are a number of connectors that have cables that run to the back of the box. The connectors are marked Wrist (2 each), Grip, Elbow, Base and Shoulder. I've posted more pictures at <http://home.cfl.rr.com/rigdon14/microrobot/>. Joe

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HP 6101x and PCIB

by aek＠spies.com

My question, though, is what's the alternative to PC-based test equipment? Completely self-contained proprietary stuff? -- I'm of the Tony Duell school here.. Document as much as you can if you care about using it in the future. The PC stuff is 'proprietary' as well, with the exeception of a few card vendors, you can't find out from them how it works (or doesn't...) Any instrument with a microprocessor should have its ROMs read and backed up. I got VERY lucky and was able to get my 16500B analyzer going again because I had access to another unit, was able to read the eprom, and was able to reprogram the part that had gone bad (a bit had gone to a '1' and could be reprogrammed to '0') The entire CPU board is a FRU, it's cheaper to find an entire chassis on eBay than trying to find just the processor board.

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TI 52 manual

by tobiaspetschke＠gmx.de

Hello, some time ago, i asked for a manual of the TI-52 calculator in a message board Do you still have such a manual? If yes, would you be so kind and send a scan to me? That would be really great! Thanks a lot Tobias

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Free stuff (UK) again

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 8, 10:11, Rob O'Donnell wrote: > At 22:00 07/07/2004, Pete Turnbull wrote: > > >I had a more careful look at the pile of terminal servers and hubs > >today, and found some more "stuff". > My first thought was "well to save it being scrapped, I'd grab it and eBay > it" :-) but having just checked selling prices of 10Mbps hubs ... it'd > barely be worth it, especially after adding in a 150 mile round trip, and a > day's work.. I don't want to see this stuff on Ebay. If it was going to make money, I'd put it in the Christmas fund, or give the equipment to the local computer recycling project. The reason there are no PCs or other common items is that they're going to an African charity project. > I don't need them myself, as I've already got spare 10Mbps hubs, a terminal > server and a couple of terminals I don't use [yet]..) > > Does nobody use 10Mbps any more? It's not cool. Everyone thinks they need 100Mbps at least, or preferably Gigabit. The fact that their PCs mostly can't keep up with that seems to be immaterial, as is the fact that their web connection is hardly likey to keep up with the PC. On the other hand, many of our students in residences love it -- it's 20 times what most of them get >from broadband at home. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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HP 6101x and PCIB

by aek＠spies.com

Thankfully Agilent were nice enough to leave a scanned copy of HP's "A Tutorial Guide to the GPIB Bus" on their FTP site. -- url? I have a poor quality paper copy.

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somewhat modern Unisys line printer available

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Local electronics store has a Unisys 9246-7 printer. This is a pretty big/heavy animal. I'm sure it's made by someone else like printronix or citoh or dataproducts or mannesman, etc. Looks like a band printer, parallel interface, high volume in a floor standing cabinet. That's all I know. The guy said he had a buyer from out of state, but the guy doesn't seem to be following through on the deal so he said it was available. If anyone is interested contact me offlist and I'll pass on the contact info. The printer is in St. Louis. No, I won't haul it to VCF, vehicle already full. Jay West

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vcf east - riders? - trades?

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

by the way... I am not bringing an 11/45 to vcf east :) I was referring to how it looked when I got it recently from TN. I haven't started on that restoration project yet, and I doubt pretty seriously it'd get any awards the way it looks now *GRIN* Well, maybe... "system carrying the most dirt and grime". Now, if Sellam would ever have a VCF-Central, in St. Louis, I would bring the dual bay HP2000/Access system. If it'd be in St. Louis then I wouldn't mind so much having to tear a wall out of the basement to get it out. It does look like there is a pretty reasonable chance I will make it to VCF east. Can't wait to meet everyone! I will most likely be driving from St. Louis to VCF and back with either a small flatbed trailer, or a van (or both). Any riders along the way want to come with and share gas costs? It'd be nice to make the drive in one stretch, doable with multple drivers. If anyone going to VCF east wants any HP racks, 13037 controller systems, or 7906 disc drives, now is the time to speak up cause I'll bring it all with me. Could bring some 21MX's too. Regards, Jay West

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New York City, anyone?

by evan947＠yahoo.com

Hey, anyone else here from the city? At 9:00 tonight I'm meeting some VCF attendees (including Hans Franke, all the way from Munich) at the bar of the Carlton Arms hotel (160 E. 25)... if anyone's around, call my cell phone, 617.461.7194. - Evan

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21MX M series need

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Anyone have a 21MX M series box I can borrow parts from for a bit? My M series machine is sick and I'm not sure if it's the front panel or the cpu board. If someone wants a speed upgrade, I can trade them a E series cpu for the slower M series cpu/front panel. At the least, I'd just like to see which one is dead. Jay West

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Fwd: Harmonicomputer Available

by rdd＠rddavis.org

Someone (Cyrus, orangutone(a)usa.net) over on the SDIY mailing list just posted the message below, in case anyone's interested in obtaining and preserving a Harmonicomputer: So, I have posted to this and other lists, and emailed various vintage gear techs, and nobody is interested in fixing an ailing Deltalab Harmonicomputer. Two techs have suggested I just throw it away, as the parts are hard to find and it would be cheaper to replace than to repair. Does anybody here have any suggestions for a project? This thing has an interesting set of front-panel controls, and it is loaded chock-a-block with a variety of chips, most of which are perfectly good. Garbage or salvage? -Cyrus -- Copyright (C) 2004 R.D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: an All Rights Reserved unnatural belief that we're above Nature & her www.rddavis.org 410-744-4900 other creatures, using dogma to justify such Uncle Fester for President! beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.

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Motorola MVME131

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

> I have the Motorola "16/32-Bit Microcomputer System Components" databook > (DL127, Revision 1, 1985), but the MVME131 datasheet therein is marked > "Advance Information" and is only seven pages long. It's not much more > than an overview. However, if it will help you, I'll scan and PDF it. That's more than I have at the moment so yes it will help. If anyone else has jumper and I/O pinouts, memory maps etc. that would be of use. Cheers, Lee. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

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Amiga 3400 (A400 prototype) on Ebay.

by fsteff＠bigfoot.com

Hi all listmembers, I have decided to part with my old Amiga A3400, and hope to see it go to people who has a love for classic computers, and who will honor it for what it is; A unique machine. For more information and pictures, please look at the following URI: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4598&item=5106538803… Best regards, -- Flemming

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WTD: Fairchild 96LS488 datasheet

by philpem＠dsl.pipex.com

Hi, Does anyone happen to have a copy of the Fairchild 96LS488 datasheet lying around anywhere? I've checked Bitsavers and Google - nothing at all - not even a pinout. The datasheet is listed on PartMiner/FreeTradezone but I haven't got an FTZ account that has datasheet downloading enabled. Bah. Thanks. -- Phil. | Acorn Risc PC600 Mk3, SA202, 64MB, 6GB, philpem(a)dsl.pipex.com | ViewFinder, 10BaseT Ethernet, 2-slice, http://www.philpem.dsl.pipex.com/ | 48xCD, ARCINv6c IDE, SCSI ... NetWare does not have bugs, it has "Undocumented enhancements"

21 years, 9 months

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Old copy of PCTools...

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Another find for someone if they want it: Ancient manual + floppy for Central Point's PC Tools Deluxe. Requires at least 256KB of memory and DOS 2.0 or higher. Version 1 presumably, as I can't see a version number on anything. There's a single 5.25" "DOS Utilities" floppy. Flicking through the install section in the manual, I believe that's all there's supposed to be. cheers, Jules

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Buying in the States was Re: HP analyzer probes

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

der Mouse <mouse(a)rodents.montreal.qc.ca> wrote: > I don't even own a working television, > haven't for decades. Wow! I'm not the only one! (Though it hasn't been decades for me yet, as I only stopped having a TV in my home in 2000.) MS

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JetDirect EX print server

by ben_daily4＠yahoo.com

Robert, About a year ago you were having this conversation (through email) and now I happen to have one of these print servers (model J2382 B). Did you locate the particular manual for this unit? Can I get a copy of it if you did? Thank you, Ben JetDirect EX print server Feldman, Robert cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Thu Jun 12 15:38:01 2003 Previous message: Model 43 Teletype (ASR43) info needed Next message: Osborne 1 Voltage Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] --------------------------------- I believe I have one at home. I'll check tonight and let you know tomorrow.Bob-----Original Message-----From: chris [mailto:cb@mythtech.net]Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 3:16 PMTo: Classic ComputerSubject: JetDirect EX print serverI'm not sure if this is older than 10 years yet, but people on this list have a library of manuals, so I'm asking anyway.Does anyone have a manual to an HP JetDirect EX print server device? Specifically model number J2382.I'm trying to find out how to default it to factory settings, and how to get in and change configurations. Holding the TEST button on power up doesn't seem to do default it (or if it is, it isn't clearing the error condition, but that might also be because it isn't taking the BootP info for its IP address).I have two doing the same thing, and I tend to doubt both are broken, so I'm guessing that the manual HP has on their site for the EX Plus doesn't have the right directions for it (not too surprised).So, anyone have that manual? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

21 years, 9 months

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Transport arrangement needed UK -> GER

by Arno_1983＠gmx.de

Hello everybody, along with Mr. Hans Pufal, I was among those interested in Pete Turnbull's recent offer of network/terminal server equipment. However, the stuff needs to disappear fairly quickly from where it is now - i.e. a definitive arrangement has to be made until 23rd of July and pickup would have to take place before the end of the month. And here the fun begins: I have no chance to go abroad and get it in time as I'll be doing my 2nd Term Electrical Engineering testpapers in late July/early August. Just about no way around that. Pete and I have worked out that I should ask here if anybody from the UK (preferably near York) would go on holiday on the Continent this summer (passing through Southern Germany), or vice versa, and could be persuaded to collect and drop off the equipment in question. In return I offer lunch/dinner, drinks and if wanted a financial contribution for fuel. >From what it looks like by now, the cargo will be the following: (most certainly one each, max. two) Emulex P4000 terminal server w/ bits and pieces/cables) Connection panel for above (rackmount 2U high) 3Com Linkbuilder FMS II 24-port hub (rackmount 1U high) 3Com SuperStack II PS 40 24-port hub (rackmount 1U high) (small stuff) assorted plugins for above hubs AUI/10baseT-Microtransceivers (perhaps) one terminal DEC VT220, 420, or 510. To Mr. Hans Pufal: I've been told that you are already making a transport arrangement for the stuff you want. If nobody hits my area closer (Nuremberg, southern Germany) it has been suggested that I ask if you could have the additional material transported to France, which is at least a bit nearer for me to come by and pick it up later this summer. Please CC any answers to Peter <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> as well; I don't know if it's useful to answer on-list, I'd rather not. Thanks in advance -- Arno Kletzander Stud. Hilfskraft Informatik Sammlung Erlangen www.iser.uni-erlangen.de "Sie haben neue Mails!" - Die GMX Toolbar informiert Sie beim Surfen! Jetzt aktivieren unter http://www.gmx.net/info

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spare: IBM System/370 Extended Architecture Principles of Operation manual

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Up for grabs: "IBM System/370 Extended Architecture Principles of Operation" manual. ta, Jules

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IBM manuals available

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

IBM XT Guide to Operations (contains hardware reference library diagnostics floppy) IBM Portable Guide to Operations (contains diag floppy) BASIC for IBM PC All three are in very good condition. cheers, Jules

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what the heck!? (bodged eurocard system)

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Any ideas what system these boards are for? http://www.moosenet.demon.co.uk/temp/comps/eurocard (sorry for bad photos - in a rush!) Looks to have been homebrewed into an XT clone case. Bus connectors are 96 way. Memory card DRAMS are 21256's, so I presume that's 1MB on the board. CPU card has a Z80B on board plus memory - and a D765 IC, which I think is an FDC chip IIRC. ROM is labelled "Prof MON 1.3" Larger chips on the I/O board are a 6845 CTRC, 8255 (PIA IIRC), Mostek MK3801 (no idea!), Z80A CPU, 6116 SRAM, and a EPROM (with no label). There's a homebrew card right at the back with nothing much more than a ROM on it - unfortunately I can't read the handwritten label, but the first three letters are "tas". Anyone able to tell me what the machine is or anything about it? cheers, Jules

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NCD 88k Xterminals available (Cambridge, UK)

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

I saved three NCD 88K Xterminals from the tip earlier (some of those mentioned on here last week). Or at least gave them a stay of execution - I can't hang onto them for more than a few days unfortunately. Now, someone on here said they might be interested in an xterm if there were any keyboards with them. Only prob is I've gone and lost your email, whoops. Shout if you read this. These NCD's work with standard PC keyboards (PS/2 connector) and mice (9 pin D-type) - I know they do as they're the same model as I have already. Anyway, two of the machines have coax / AUI Ethernet, and one has twisted pair / AUI. They all have memory and boot ROMs. The only annoying thing about them is they use DA26 connectors for video (I soldered a trailing video lead directly onto the board of mine with a VGA connector on the end - messy but chances of finding a scrap DA26 to use were around zero). The DA26 side of things means I can't test them, but the fans on them work as do the power LEDs, so no reason to suspect them being bad. I almost certainly have all of the info archived locally that used to be on NCD's site - including the video connector pinout and the Xncd19c server boot image. >From memory they run at 1024x768 resolution with 8-bit colour. Oh, they're about the same dimensions as a NeXT slab. Spray them black, and you'd almost be fooled into thinking they were! (given they were heading for the tip, I wouldn't be offended if people took them to put PC boards into in order to make firewalls, mp3 jukeboxes etc. - although other list members might :) Anyone want? I can't really keep them longer than a week unless I know they have homes though. cheers Jules

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USB 5.25" floppy drive

by Watzman＠neo.rr.com

Ok, now you have to promise not to laugh too hard. Does anyone know if it's possible to make a USB Floppy Disk Drive. Oh, ...... I mean a 320k/360k 5.25" USB floppy disk drive. [hey, you promised .....] I occasionally need to transfer things between my PC and an old S-100 system, or a Z-100. The Z-100 has 5.25" disks, but not 3.5". So ..... I actually wondered if one could buy a USB 3.5" floppy and use the "controller card" with a 5.25" drive, since the interface is nominally the same. However, these mostly use notebook drives, and while they may have the same electrical interface, the physical interface is a flex cable. Worse, some of the USB 3.5" drives may "integrate" the USB controller and drive mechanism so that there is no standard floppy interface at all. There may also be software issues. Anyway, it seems like a question to post to this group, and in a few other places. [Next I will want a USB 8" drive ..... which, actually, with the right software, would not be a bad idea !!]

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Free stuff (UK) again

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 8, 19:10, Jules Richardson wrote: > I believe the laws are changing fairly soon here so that it costs money > to dispose of unwanted computer equipment. I'm not sure how such charity > organisations will be hit when they have to pay to dispose of any bits > which are donated and they find to be unsuitable or non-working. It's hitting now. We have too many monitors (anyone want a not-very-good mnonitor?) and some crap even the charities don't want. Therefore we have a skip (dumpster) outside. In years past, we had an ordinary skip once every year or two -- the "topless" sort you see full of building rubble and garden refuse -- and CompServ staff used to place things in it carefully and watch people removing things from it to reuse. This was a good thing; it kept the audience amused, it preserved some interesting "stuff", it let things be recycled instead of putting them in landfill, and it saved a lot of space in the skip so CompServ only had to hire one instead of two :-) On one occasion, when I was still finishing my degree up the hill at CompSci, my tutor (now a senior professor), his colleague, myself and two other students , emptied the entire skip, spread the contents across the car park, and spent a couple of hours sorting it. We had quite a large audience most of the time. Now, alas, that's illegal. There are too many regulations about disposal of electrical waste, electrical safety testing, and liabilities, so we are required to have a totally enclosed skip that's padlocked. Nowadays we would have to rely on the grapevine to let interested parties know in advance so they can intercept items of interest between the back door and the skip. Not that we would be so irresponsible as to allow any dangerous items, eg terminal servers, hubs, or PCs to go astray, of course. Bringing this back to what Jules mentioned specifically, we're not allowed to put monitors in the skip. They have to go somewhere else to be properly disposed of, at ?15 a pop (pun intended). > Uh huh! Personally I'd find 100Mbit to be handy between a couple of my > modern machines just because I shift a lot of large images around - but > the 10Mbit serves me quite well otherwise. Same here. Indeed, some of the older machines in my collection that do have 100baseTX (or in a couple of cases 100baseFX, 100Mbps FDDI, or 155Mbps ATM) can't drive the network at much more than 15-20Mbps. And since only a couple of devices at home use wireless, 802.11g is more than adequate for any practical purpose. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Free stuff (UK) again

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 8, 14:01, Rob O'Donnell wrote: > Most dodgy connection I know of was put in at a customer ages back.. they > had two separate units on an industrial estate. Line of sight, barely, > from back of one, to front of the other, but about 200M distance, with > other units and a road and car-park in the way. You should actually get quite decent results -- much better than 128kbps ISDN -- at that range with even a cheap and cheerful directional antenna on the AP. You can make most APs work in bridge mode (which is what you want for point to point), and a cheap AP would only cost ?60-?100; you can also get cards that can be connected to an external antenna. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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LGP-30 software

by jpaul.tardif＠sympatico.ca

Christian, I used to work on an LGP-30 over 37 years ago and was fortunate in having ACT V as the complier for the machine. You will see Graeme Scott's name in the first part of the ACT V compiler tape on your website. After joining IBM in 1969 I happened to encounter Graeme working for Bell Northern Research in Ottawa in 1972 or 1973. He mentioned that he had written ACT V in a rather short time as he was frustrated at how long it took to do things in ACT III. He turned out what I still believe was a masterful piece of software that exploited the LGP-30 hardware capability to its maximum. You will see that the compiled code branches to highly optimized run-time subroutines in the ACT V Run Time portion of the package. The compiled code executed at a very reasonable rate for such a slow machine as every floating point operation ran optimized. The compiler itself used HASH coding to determine if a variable was a reserved word in the language and if not, was stored away in the hash table of variables. Optimal Assembly routines were devised for most drum memory machines like the LGP-30, IBM 650 and Bendix G-15. The ACT V compiler made assembly coding on the LGP-30 unnecessary. It was hard to outperform the compiled ACT V code. Compile times for ACT V were about 1/3 that of ACT III. And with the Load & Go compiler, you didn't need to reload the run-time routines [or the compiler after execution]. The 4096 word machine seemed reasonably sized for many problems. Unfortunately I had lost any and all LGP-30 documentation many years ago but if you put up the ACT V material you have on your web-site, I can probably offer some additional comments as it will likely jog my brain cells that haven't thought about these things for many years. Paul Tardif [former LGP-30 programmer and technician] -- J.Paul Tardif 17 Lyall Avenue Toronto, Ontario CANADA M4E 1V7 (416) 694-5309 FAX: 416 694-2381

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Software License Update.

by aek＠spies.com

Some people at Hewlett Packard are willing to explore an updated "Non-Commercial Technology Enthusiast Software License" for older software products. == This is wonderful news. == We would also like to ask if anyone knows the date of release of the last version of HP1000 RTE == As of a few months ago, this was still on HP's web site. There has also been a release of RTE 6 to Interex (w/o sources though) RTE for the A series is a very different beast, and I beleive that was what HP was supporting up until a few years ago. There were many, many versions before that. I'd also be interested in their feelings about software from non-HP product lines that they've purchased. Apollo DOMAIN, and the various TI 9xx/1500/Explorer would also nice to be released.

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DECstation

by KParker＠workcover.com

Thanks Antonio - I did locate that site but as you pointed out it doesn't specifically mention the 125 but thanks for your advice that they are all much of the much - I wasn't sure - so I'll dig around a couple of those. +++++++++++++++++++ Kevin Parker Web Services Manager WorkCover Corporation p: 08 8233 2548 e: webmaster(a)workcover.com w: www.workcover.com +++++++++++++++++++ -----Original Message----- From: cctech-bounces(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Antonio Carlini Sent: Thursday, 8 July 2004 4:48 AM To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' Subject: RE: DECstation > Looking for owner manuals for a DECstation 5000/125 IIRC the DECstation 5000-1xx machines are all much of a muchness, differing mainly in processor speeds. You can find manuals for almost any one of them (except, ironically, the 125) over at Manx: http://vt100.net/manx. Antonio -- --------------- Antonio Carlini arcarlini(a)iee.org ************************************************************************ This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee only. It may contain information that is protected by legislated confidentiality and/or is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from disseminating, distributing or copying this e-mail. Any opinion expressed in this e-mail may not necessarily be that of the WorkCover Corporation of South Australia. Although precautions have been taken, the sender cannot warrant that this e-mail or any files transmitted with it are free of viruses or any other defect. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy the original e-mail and any copies. ************************************************************************

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Free stuff (UK) again

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 8, 21:11, Jules Richardson wrote: > On Thu, 2004-07-08 at 20:03, Pete Turnbull wrote: > > Yeah, we keep getting asked why we're not putting wireless in our > > residences, offices, and everywhere else.. > > Glad it's not just me :) > > > The fact is that wired is > > cheaper, especially given the steel in many of the buildings, > > I wonder if it is that buildings in the UK tend to have a lot more steel > in the walls than elsewhere in the world? No, I don't think so :-) We had a guy from Intel here a few weeks ago, talking about Centrino technology, and wireless is a key part of that. He was someone senior from EMEA marketing but was well genned-up technically, and was quite open about some of the limitations nd what people had found in practice. > Thing the worries me is that a lot of schools seem to be upgrading here, > presumably at vast expense, only to find that it doesn't do the job. Well, it depends what the job is, how many users there are simultaneously, and so on. If you're talking about a primary school where there's one incoming 512kbps broadband line, only a few computers, and they get moved about, it might make sense to put in minimal cabling to a couple of staff rooms, and use wireless for the rest. If you're talking about our offices and study bedrooms, where there will be lots of simultaneous users (and students generate an amazing amount of traffic), wiring is cheaper. We did the study. Twice. Don't forget you need an infrastructure to support the wireless APs. In fact, I came across a paper by one of the members of the 802.whatever committe which indicated that in many contexts, wireless mean more infrastructure, not less (because of the number of APs, power points or power-over-Ethernet, etc etc, and you still need the backbone and the fibre between buildings). > I'm not actually aware how the prices for wireless compare to Ethernet > cards, hubs, cabling etc. so I can't say how much a fresh wireless > installation would cost against a more traditional setup. Depends on the facilities and bandwidth you need. We get a very good deal on certain types of switches, and cabling isn't very expensive per outlet if it's done in harmony with other works. On the other hand, to use wireless for the student network, we'd need an awful lot of APs, still need cable to get to them, fibre between the buildings, and although the switches would be fewer in number, we'd need a lot of PoE ports which cost money, and we'd be using Cisco Aironet 1200s or similar (I forget what the model number is for the 11a/b/g version), with full management facilites, VLAN support, panel antennae, etc. We get a really good price on those too, but they still cost several times as much as SOHO APs and either don't give a great bandwidth or don't cover a large number of users. Plus it takes just one oik with his own AP (which we ban, for reasons that have to do with experience :-)) to disrupt our nicely laid out coverage. This is getting a bit off-topic :-) Wireless may be classic, but I'm not sure wireless ethernet is ;-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Free stuff (UK) again

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 8, 9:40, Jules Richardson wrote: > (Interestingly, there seems to be a huge drive toward wireless at the > moment, and people only find out how slow and unreliable it is when it's > too late - all I've heard from real installations so far are horror > stories and nothing along the lines of "oh yeah, it works fine") Yeah, we keep getting asked why we're not putting wireless in our residences, offices, and everywhere else.. The fact is that wired is cheaper, especially given the steel in many of the buildings, which limits wireless range. Many people who've tried wireless see 54Mbps and think it's fine; even if they realise that the true throughput is limited to about half that, they've usually never seen the graphs that show what happens when you have multiple clients (for those who don't know, the total useful bandwidth falls dramatically for every client you add; the net effect is that bandwidth per client falls off approximately exponentially). And when we upgraded our Cisco access points it took us a day or so to realise why the range dropped off -- it turns out Cisco made a small miscalculation, and all our tests done with the old firmware were using illegally high power levels. Someone at Cisco hadn't realised the difference between radiated power and EIRP when you have 2.2dB antennae. Wireless is great for some types of point-to-point, casual use, a very small number of users in a small area, or devices that must remain in contact while moving about. Otherwise it sucks. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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New Finds: Mentis wearable computer!

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I got a call from one of my sources today. They had a new load of stuff for me to check out so I went out there LATE today and stayed till well after dark. One of the more intersting things that I found is a Mentis wearable computer! Pictures to follow when time permits. TELTRONICS - INTERACTIVE SOLUTIONS Mentis, fully functional wearable computer, Intel Pentium 166 MHz MMX, includes CD capability. "The Mentis system is created and manufactured by Interactive Solutions, a subsidiary of Teltronics, Inc. Belonging to the new generation of wearable computers, the Mentis system takes "wearable" to new dimensions. Multimedia dimensions. With the Mentis solution, users gain the portability of a laptop, the ruggedness of a wearable computer, and the full multimedia capabilities of a desktop system. It is a truly universal computing platform. And, it's ideal for any environment, any occasion where users need real-time, interactive information, in the field or on the fly. The Mentis processing unit is little more than an inch thick and measures 7? by 5? inches. This compact system houses a Pentium?-based, fully multimedia-equipped, single-board computer." (Home Page) Joe

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Wireless networks (was Free stuff (UK) again)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 8, 7:40, James Rice wrote: > In our experience, wireless is fine for casual internet connections, > thin clients (terminal services, citrix, rdp) but much too slow for > anything that involves any level of data transfer. I agree with that. And I agree with Christopher's observation that it's good in proptected buildings; we use it for that too. > I use wireless 802.11g at home for my kids and wifes internet > connections. All of my Unix boxes are wired. Much the same here. > Christopher McNabb wrote: > > >Interesting, because we have LOTS of wireless here at Virginia Tech > >and oh yeah, it works fine. I'm on a wireless connenction right now. But shared with whom, doing what, at what range? > >I think that wireless installations that are slow and/or unreliable > >probably have configuration issues or interference from other sources. Not necessarily. You won't notice a problem if you use it to read your email, even sharing it with a few other users. When you start doing more serious stuff, the throughput, something like 1-10Mbps shared under optimum conditions for 11g, is very low compared to wired networks, eg 100Mbps switched per port on a Gigabit backbone (which is what most of the campus is). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Buying in the States was Re: HP analyzer probes

by cb＠mythtech.net

>> Now I just buy the DVDs. > >Not that you can avoid the advertising on DVDs anymore. I rented one a >few months ago that wouldn't even let you skip them! If I wasn't so lazy >at that point I would taken it back to the video store and demanded a >refund. Yeah but remember, DeCSS is pure evil. There could never be a legit reason to want to be able to bypass whatever restrictions the MPAA puts on a DVD. After all, they know exactly what is right for everyone. The worst one I had to deal with was a DVD that played SEVEN freaking trailers before letting me get to the menu. Plus the FBI warning, and a handful of production company animated logos. It took a solid 15 minutes >from when I put the DVD in to when I could access the menu and actually play the movie. (IIRC, I think it was "Cheaper by the dozen" that did it, although I could be wrong. I know it was a NetFlix rented movie that I watched about two weeks ago, and that's the one that is popping in my head). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Wanted: KLESI-UA

by pds3＠ix.netcom.com

Patrick, I have these. Trades are always welcome. I am always looking for: M8186 M8043 M8192 M8578 M7676 M8063 M7840 M7656 M7506 M5977 and most other pdp equipment. Thank you, Shannon Hoskins pds3(a)ix.netcom.com -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Finnegan <pat(a)computer-refuge.org> Sent: Jul 6, 2004 10:04 PM To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Wanted: KLESI-UA So, now that I discover I had a TU80, not TU81 controller in my 11/750, I'm looking for a KLESI Unibus card, aka M8739. If anyone has one, I'd be willing to offer some money or a trade of some sort. Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCS --- http://www.itap.purdue.edu/rcs/ The Computer Refuge --- http://computer-refuge.org

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HP 1000 M series on Ebay

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I noticed this the other day... I'm a bit confused as to it's lineage. First, the M series has a unique keyswitch, unlike the E and F series. In the E & F, the keyswitch is nothing more than a latch to open the front panel. On the M series, the front panel switch is electronic, selecting R (reset memory I think), Off, Standby, On, and perhaps Lock (going from memory). The one on ebay has no such markings on the front panel. This would make me think E & F. But the front panel is clearly from an M, as it only has the ABSTPM registers, not the special register mode (index registers, etc.). And in some of the pictures there are two pictures showing behind the front panel, and to me at least, it looks very non-HP (custom) with regards to the cables coming off the front panel board, and some kinda (non-hp?) board underneath that. Wierd. Not to say it isn't a fully functional M series, but... I have never seen one quite like that. Regards, Jay West

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Motorola MVME131

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

This board appears to be fitted with the VME130 diagnostic/debugger V3.1 ROM. ANyone have the destructions for this or a similar ROM? (E.g. MVME147 etc) Cheers, Lee. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

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