- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Thanks for the info. I guess for this test I have to find a replacement high-denisty drive. The drives in the unit are, apparently, high-density drives but the disks are 360k disks made with another working system. -----Original Message----- From: Don Maslin [mailto:donm@cts.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 12:41 AM To: rcini(a)optonline.net; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Teac floppy replacement On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, Richard A. Cini wrote: > Hello, all: > > I'm trying to get my "new" Micromint SB180 to work with > the floppy drives > that came with it. I've been given two sets of disks, both of which were > made on a known-working system but which produce read errors on mine. > > The drives pass the internal disgnostics that are in the > SB180 ROM, but I > want to eliminate the drive from the problem by swapping another in. It > appears to use standard 5.25" 1/2-height PC drives except that the "old" > drive has a head-load solenoid while the new one doesn't. > > The model number of the "old" drive is FD55F-03-U and the > model number of > the "new" drive is FD55BV-36-U. There are differences in the jumper > designations between the models so I can't readily map the settings. > > Can anyone help with this? Thanks. Rich, the 55F is a 96tpi drive while the 55BV is 48tpi. That difference is likely the cause of your problem. - don > > Rich Cini > Collector of classic computers > Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project > Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ > /************************************************************/ > > >

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Introduction to Decysytem-20 Assembly Language Programming

by stephane.tsacas＠gmail.com

Someone interested by the book : Introduction to Decysytem-20 Assembly Language Programming, Ralph E Gorin, 1981. email me. Thanks Stephane

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GRiD Compass II 1137

by JMeyer101＠aol.com

I picked up the Grid with no documentation. The device boots up and lets me choose an OS (either MS-DOS 2.11 with BIOS Version C or Version 134.1.4 GRiD-OS / Version 31.0.0 of Common Code). If I boot into MS-DOS, I get an A: prompt. If I do a "dir" command, it brings up 3 files but that's it. If I boot into the GRiD-OS, I can get to some menus, but then it needs a password to continue. Does anyone know a hack to bypass the password? Or does anyone have access to the GRiD-OS software so I can reinstall? I would like to get this thing working but it is very difficult to find any information. Any ideas? Thanks, Jeff

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rarest computers

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi OK, I do have one that is going to be an unusual one that is significant in its insignificance. It is a SDK development machine for Intel's 2920 ( not to be confused with AMD's 2920 of the 2900 family of parts ). This was Intel's only attempt at the DSP market. It is only unique in that it is rare enough that few even know it existed. It was a time when Intel chose it's direction to be a mostly X86 processor company and began to leave the side markets alone ( for good or bad ). There may be others out there but I've not seen any. Dwight

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FA: Parsytec Xplorer Transputer Workstation - 16 T805-30MHz transputers with 4MB for each processor

by rmeenaks＠olf.com

Hi, Parsytec Xplorer Parallel Transputer Workstation on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5114739591&ssPageNam e=STRK:MESE:IT This is actually one of my auctions... Cheers, Ram

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contact lube

by jack.rubin＠ameritech.net

While watching me struggle with the cards in my OSI C4P, someone at VCF East (I can't remember who, sorry if it was you) suggested a product (I can't remember what, I was a bit distracted) that they used to clean and lubricate contacts. I just did a little googling and there seem to be two "major" products: Stabilant 22 and DeoxIT. Anyone care to share their experiences with either of these or make another recommendation? Thanks, Bill ********************************* Hey Bill, That was me - while DeoxIT is great for cleaning contacts, the lube I told you about is Nygel - check out www.nyelubricants.com - which is more like the Dow silicone that Dwight mentioned. It's especially good on the pin-type connectors used for the SS-50/30 buses, OSI, etc. as well as Heathkit H8 and H89. You could even use DeoxIT first to clean the contacts. You won't believe the difference after you've applied an appropriate lube. best, Jack

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IBM 5100

by aek＠spies.com

http://www.johntitor.com/ for more than you want to know about this loon.

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Contact cleaner/lubricant?

by wh.sudbrink＠verizon.net

While watching me struggle with the cards in my OSI C4P, someone at VCF East (I can't remember who, sorry if it was you) suggested a product (I can't remember what, I was a bit distracted) that they used to clean and lubricate contacts. I just did a little googling and there seem to be two "major" products: Stabilant 22 and DeoxIT. Anyone care to share their experiences with either of these or make another recommendation? Thanks, Bill

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Holy cow...

by melamy＠earthlink.net

my job takes me a lot of different places. Two years ago, yes, TSA was not as organized or as efficient as today. They are doing a necessary job to keep planes flying and people going where they want to go. Due to the fact that I worked for TSA two years ago, I am very familiar with what they have gone through. Now, all you do is check your bags in and they open them only if their MRI machine spots something with enough mass to potentially be a problem. They don't make you wait in line much longer now than you did before TSA was there. Passenger screening is also very efficient at most large airports anyway. They started with the notes inside when they quit having you stand in front of them while they checked your bags. I haven't been through any in the last year that did it the old way. As for it being BS, I disagree. I would rather have things safer than welcome another attack on US soil because things weren't being checked. best regards, Steve Thatcher -----Original Message----- From: "Joe R." <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> Sent: Aug 6, 2004 7:02 PM To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Holy cow... At 02:14 PM 8/6/04 -0700, you wrote: >On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, Joe R. wrote: > >> >You know when your bag was checked because the TSA puts a form in your bag >> >saying they did. >> >> I beg to differ. I sat in Kansas City airport two years ago and spent >> abut 3 or 4 hours with the security people and watched as they opened >> numerous bags and I didn't see them put a sticker on ANY of them. Even when >> flying and reclaiming baggage I've never seen one of those stickers. > >Have you flown recently? No and I have no intentions of flying as long as this crap continues. I have a very low treshold for BS! So don't expect to see me at VCF or anywhere else if it involves flying. Joe

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Holy cow... Concealed weapons

by Pres＠macro-inc.com

At 02:51 PM 8/7/2004, you wrote: >der Mouse, you obviously know nothing about what it takes to get a >concealed weapons permit in the US. I have a concealed weapons permit and >I also have done practical pistol shooting. I would not want untrained >individuals putting my life at risk. Having a permit in the US does not >require training or anything but the money and no criminal record. I did >my training at different opportunities in my life and without any >requirement to do so. South Carolina requires training and has a written test and a shooting test that people must pass before receiving a concealed weapon permit. Most other states have training requirements also. But, none of them are very arduous and yes many states don' t have training requirements at all as you say. But it really doesn't seem to matter. The majority of people in the USA live in areas where good citizens can and do legally carry concealed firearms, even in places that serve alcohol. And innocent people are just *not* being hurt by people with a concealed weapon permit -- training or no training. You're more likely to be hurt by a PC or an iPod (woman in Tennessee killed her boyfriend with an iPod) http://www.liquidgeneration.com/rumormill/ipod_killing.html or by a police officer or government storm trooper than a citizen legally carrying a concealed weapon. You don't even *need* a permit to have a loaded handgun in your car in South Carolina, Georgia, Flordia, North Carolina and Virigina. Yet people aren't having shootouts in parking lots or on the highways. Just the occasional rapist or carjacker being blown away is all you hear about. I don't know what training people would think necessary to carry on an airliner, but I'd be happy with anyone who could shoot a decent score on an IPSC or IDPA classifier stage. http://www.ipsc.org/ics/short/CLC-01.jpg But training or not, Glaser Safety Slugs or not, I'd much rather be on a flight where people with concealed weapons permits could carry than one that could be splashed by some highly trained F16 pilot because some bureaucrat, worried about "training" (read CYA), denied me the means of effective self defense. Until they start asking, "Carrying or Non-Carrying?", I'm like Joe, if I can't drive, I likely won't go. Ed

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Apollos

by aek＠spies.com

> Anyone interested in some Apollos? -- yes, esp the manual wall you have in the basement.

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Holy cow...

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

At 12:33 PM 8/7/04 -0400, Steve wrote: >the last thing I would want is some average guy with a concealed weapons permit having a gun on board... getting a permit is too easy and without proper training would be more dangerous than safe. Personally, I'd take my chances with a CWP holder over a hijacker ANYTIME! Joe

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VCF Security

by swtpc6800＠comcast.net

I am considering having an exhibit at the next Vintage Computer Festival (7.0). I was wondering what the security is like for the exhibits. Do you need to packup up each night? I would like to here comment from those who were there (Computer History Museum) last year. Michael Holley www.swtpc.com/mholley

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by melamy＠earthlink.net

as I said, you can intrepret things in any way you choose and you certainly did with no personal knowledge of facts. You took words, created your own meaning of what I was saying just so you can say you are right - amazing. end of thread... -----Original Message----- From: der Mouse <mouse(a)rodents.montreal.qc.ca> Sent: Aug 7, 2004 3:17 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Holy cow... > der Mouse, you obviously know nothing about what it takes to get a > concealed weapons permit in the US. I didn't, no; nor did I need to, since my response was based on your reaction, and thus your perception, rather than whatever the reality behind it was. > I would not want untrained individuals putting my life at risk. > Having a permit in the US does not require training or anything but > the money and no criminal record. Sounds as though I was right, that your issue is with concealed-carry permits themselves rather than with whether people with them are allowed to have their weapons with them on aircraft. Or do you think that a weapon in the hands of an untrained person is somehow not dangerous anywhere but on an aircraft? /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse(a)rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B

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Apollo Domain Aegis SR 9.7.1 lives, huge Y2K bug!

by bshannon＠tiac.net

While cleaning out the workshop, I decided to plug in a few old Apollo workstations. I was eventually able to get one machine (DN4500?) to boot into the Display Manager. The major trick was, I had to set the calendar date back prior to Y2K, otherwise the DM program would crash with an 'unable_to_map' error message. The Fuji SMD drive on my DN660 spun right up, and the 660 appeared to boot, but I have a minor video cable problem that prevented me from seeing the action (other than on the disk controller status leds). Anyone interested in some Apollos?

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by melamy＠earthlink.net

der Mouse, you obviously know nothing about what it takes to get a concealed weapons permit in the US. I have a concealed weapons permit and I also have done practical pistol shooting. I would not want untrained individuals putting my life at risk. Having a permit in the US does not require training or anything but the money and no criminal record. I did my training at different opportunities in my life and without any requirement to do so. With reagrds to before 9/11 and after, the paradigm shift is a fact and has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not people are allowed to carry weapons on a plane. People would have risen up and brought those first plaines down if they had a clue that the planes were going to be used as weapons and they were dead already so to speak. You can take my views however you want to in any way you care to. It wasn't your country that was attacked and left thousands dead. You have already pointed out what you think of America and its people in one of your earlier emails -----Original Message----- From: der Mouse <mouse(a)rodents.montreal.qc.ca> Sent: Aug 7, 2004 12:39 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Holy cow... Sounds to me as though your issue is with getting concealed-carry permits rather than with having people on board who are, almost by definition, trusted with concealed weapons. It sounds to me as though this is more an argument to scrap the whole idea of keeping weapons out of the hands of airline passengers (at least while they are on the plane).

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by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 7, 11:56, Ed Kelleher wrote: > At 08:12 PM 8/6/2004, you wrote: > >As for it being BS, I disagree. I would rather have things safer than > >welcome another attack on US soil because things weren't being checked. > > Sorry, it is BS. If we wanted to make things safer, we'd let citizens with > concealed weapons permits carry guns on planes. Not without some suitable training and glaser safety ammunition. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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rarest computers. was: RE: Xerox Alto Restoration + Emulation

by Adrian＠beovax.co.uk

> -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of John Honniball > Sent: 03 August 2004 18:32 > To: General(a)encke.easily.co.uk; > Discussion@encke.easily.co.uk:On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: rarest computers. was: RE: Xerox Alto > Restoration + Emulation > > > Jules Richardson wrote: > > Apple /// (possibly lots worldwide; there don't seem to be many > > people this side of the pond who have seen one though) > > I have one! It came with the ProFile external hard disk, and > a box of expansion cards, too. I rather like the two-click > cursor keys, where you can press harder on the key to make > the auto-repeat go faster. And I like the big holes in the > expansion cards to help you to lever them out with a > screwdriver. The whole of the machine chassis is one big > diecasting and acts as a heatsink. Yeah. I ended up with 2, one for spares, and it was a good job since I was crashed into bringing it home and it ended up with a mashed keyboard. Must get round to fixing it one of these days. I've also not managed to get my spare profile working with the other working machine yet, but it's 250 miles away and low priority :) Cheers -- adrian/witchy owner & curator, Binary Dinosaurs - the UK's biggest online home computer collection? www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the Museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - former gothic shenanigans www.aaghverts.co.uk - the place to whinge at adverts!

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by melamy＠earthlink.net

the last thing I would want is some average guy with a concealed weapons permit having a gun on board... getting a permit is too easy and without proper training would be more dangerous than safe. 9/11 was a paridigm shift from hijacking being a "take me where I want to go scenario" to guaranteed death. I would believe that any passenger jet that was taken over by any means would not succeed now because of what passengers would do rather than sitting back and waiting. Those days are gone. We all have different levels of tolerance, Some of the stuff is BS with regards to what coould be considered a weapon or even that 80 year old people were searched as possibilities. In my opinion, it is not all BS. What the puiblic hears about is a fraction of what goes on. What we do hear about, we have the giovernment and media all spinning the stuff in different directions. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Ed Kelleher <Pres(a)macro-inc.com> Sent: Aug 7, 2004 11:56 AM To: Steve Thatcher <melamy(a)earthlink.net>, "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Holy cow... At 08:12 PM 8/6/2004, you wrote: >As for it being BS, I disagree. I would rather have things safer than >welcome another attack on US soil because things weren't being checked. Sorry, it is BS. If we wanted to make things safer, we'd let citizens with concealed weapons permits carry guns on planes. Ed

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MXV22

by aek＠spies.com

I forget who, but someone was just looking for a qbus RX02 controller http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4193&item=5114514960 They work very well, and can format RX02s

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by evan947＠yahoo.com

I just heard the very end of a TV news report, where they said some airport terminal was shut down for hours today due to a bomb scare. They described the potential bomb as a small, odd-looking box with wires and various electrical parts. Then they said "It turned out to be an antique microphone." Which makes me wonder... has anyone here ever had a problem explaining vintage computers to airport security? When I flew out to VCF last fall I proactively told the security officer that my bag contained vintage calculators and handheld computers, in case it looked odd to her in the X-Ray machine, but she looked at me with an expression of "Why the heck do you think I'd care?" LOL, however that may be more of a comment on how poor the airport security hiring rules are. I'd like to hear some feedback, however, please let's NOT turn this into a rambling thread about politics or any similar B.S....

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by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that David V. Corbin may have mentioned these words: > >eyeglass screwdrivers and even nail files were taken off the list later >last year. > >I'm glad to hear that. But they shouldn't have > >Just after 9/11, my son daughter-in-lay... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I gotta ask: Typo, Freudian slip or exact description of the situation? :-O ;^> >[snip]...After they got home by son >realized he had a swiss army knife in an inner coat pocket [a letal weapon >compared to a baby's fork!] that was noit detected by the same guard at the >same time. Admittedly, I haven't flown since 9/11, but I flew just before that, and airport security had no problem with my leatherman. I removed it where you "remove all metallic objects" right with my belt, they asked me what it was, I said "Pliers." No problem... 2 knife blades, a saw blade that could easily rip off a finger (or jugular) or just adding weight to my punch to give it more "punch." ;-) <RANT> At least for the US, what we need for "Midflight Security" is a revival of the "minuteman" concept for flying. There should be a *totally volunteer* photo ID system of anyone willing to lay down their life in defense of the country[1], and they get to walk on with any type and quantity of non-projectile weapon(s) of their choice. "But what happens when a bad apple gets a card and tries to use it" you ask? 10 "Good apples" could easily subdue the bad one, and said "bad apple" is tried & convicted of treason and hanged[2][3]. Despite the fact that I'm old and fat, if I have my leatherman on me and know that there's a darned good chance 5 more people have similar, I'd go up against a couple of bastards with boxcutters... </RANT> Laterz, Roger "Merch" Merchberger [1] World, for that matter... [2] Or shot... I could live with shot... ;-) [3] Assuming he survives... Attempting to hijack a plane with a bunch of good guys with knives on board could prove fatal... -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger | "Bugs of a feather flock together." sysadmin, Iceberg Computers | Russell Nelson zmerch(a)30below.com |

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by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

At 08:59 PM 8/6/04 -0400, Steve wrote: >eyeglass screwdrivers and even nail files were taken off the list later last year. I'm glad to hear that. But they shouldn't have been on the list to begin with! That's one of my points, airport security is nothing but a show to make the public think the government is actually doing somehting about security. But all too much of it is meaningless and useless measures such as this. Eyeglass screwderivers and nail files have never been a threat to an airliner that I know of! BTW metal toothpicks ARE still on the list of "weapons". Can you tell me exactly how many airliners have been hijacked with a toothpick? > The people that are there are doing their job and are not given the ability to make decisions and exceptions on their own. People making >exceptions and doing their own security thing on 9/11 resulted in thousands of dead people. WRONG! The airport security people did exactly what they were supposed to do according to the rules at that time. The 9/11 commishion found where many mistakes were made, particularly in the intelligence area but to my knowledge they found no procedural errors in what security did. They actually found that some security people were suspious of the hijackers but allowed them to board the planes because they were NOT allowed to use their own judgement and had to follow fixed idiocic rules. > >Sure, the borders need to be protected better, but at least a person running into the side of a building will only give the person a headache. Wait a minute! What's this crap about running into buildings? Why don't you stay on topic? A number of the 9/11 hijackers came over from Canada the day before they hijacked the airliners on 9/11 yet you dismiss border security my merely saying that the borders need to be better protected and then jump to some totally irrelevent rambling about people running into buildings. Our borders should be our first line of defense against terrorism but they're wide open to even the most illiterate Mexican peasant to simply walk across. It's a good thing that Alqueda doesn't wise up and simply walk in 10,000 or so terrorists across the Canadian or Mexican borders. >Of course, I would suppsoe that he would sue the buiding manufacturer and win because there is no sign warning someone of getting hurt if they >do that... > >As for missing badges, most security systems require the badge and an ID code to enter, so just having a badge doesn't help much unless security is already lax at the airport. People are to badge in, enter their code, and then close the door so the next person does the same procedure. That's another thing that found, people letting other people through the doors and in some cases blocking them open and leaving them standing wide open for anybody that came along. In addition, they've found that there are 100s of missing airlines uniforms and a whole hosts of other security problems. They've also found a high number of convicted felons working there because the airports were lax about getting background checks. Like I said, hardly a week goes by with some new revalation about problems at the airports. > >If Miami is ruuning that badly then there is a good problem to start with. Miami running badly is an understatement! It's been that way for a LONG time and for some reason they can't seem to straighten it out. Too many airport operators looking to pince pennies, minoritie rights, unions, underpaid employees and other specail interest I suppose but that still doesn't excuse the smoke and mirrors approach to security that the government is using. Inspecting every airline passenger three and four times before he gets on a plane isn't going to do much good when you have drug addicts, ex-criminals and thieves working in the ground crews and wide open access for nearly anyone that wants to get on or to an aircraft while it's sitting on the ground. Joe > >Steve >

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by melamy＠earthlink.net

eyeglass screwdrivers and even nail files were taken off the list later last year. The people that are there are doing their job and are not given the ability to make decisions and exceptions on their own. People making exceptions and doing their own security thing on 9/11 resulted in thousands of dead people. Sure, the borders need to be protected better, but at least a person running into the side of a building will only give the person a headache. Of course, I would suppsoe that he would sue the buiding manufacturer and win because there is no sign warning someone of getting hurt if they do that... As for missing badges, most security systems require the badge and an ID code to enter, so just having a badge doesn't help much unless security is already lax at the airport. People are to badge in, enter their code, and then close the door so the next person does the same procedure. If Miami is ruuning that badly then there is a good problem to start with. Steve

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OT-ish: What's the HP9000 K Class K570 server equivalent to?

by vcf＠siconic.com

I just got an HP9000 K Class K570 server. It's got dual 200Mhz PA-RISC processors and 1GB RAM, plus some arsenal of hard drives. I've never worked with HP PA-RISC machines before. What's this equivalent to in terms of Intel processor power? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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DSSI CABLES / TERMS

by waltje＠pdp11.nl

Hi all, Sorry for barging in like this. I still have a DSSI cable plus 7 DSSI terminators in my trunk. One list member needed 3 terms, another needed a cable and 4 terms. Can these people please contact me off-list with their shipping info, so I can unload them from my poor, overloaded car? Now, back to our regular silence, Fred

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Who has Zilog System 8000/32

by vax3900＠yahoo.com

which uses AT&T WE32100 CPU? I have a small gift for you if you have such a system. vax, 3900 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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what is the value

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi I know someone that has a 11/45. I've been thinking of making an offer on it but have no idea what people consider the going rate for such a machine. Does anyone have any idea? I don't want to insult him but then I don't want to pay way beyond what I could get one elsewhere. Dwight

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Furguson BigBoard...

by bshannon＠tiac.net

Some time back, someone (Tom?) got a Furguson BigBoard from me in a trade. I've found a little documentation and the distribution CP/M disk. I'd like to send this stuff off to the board's new owner. (was this part of the Imlac deal maybe???)

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Holy cow...

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 6, 8:32, Joe R. wrote: > I went to a HP Calculator conference in England about 6 or 7 years ago > (pre-9/11) and I carried a LOT of calculators, parts, accessories and tools > with me. I was very concerned about going through security and customs but > had almost no trouble. I've not had any trouble recently, but here are three instances from the past. I used to fly regularly from Edinburgh to Belfast in Northern Ireland, or to London. On one occasion I was taking a pre-production Acorn Archimedes to demo in Belfast, but since I was flying I didn't take the monitor. Needless to say, that was the time security (actually, Special Branch) asked if they could see it working to prove it was a computer (didn't look quite like a PC), and eventually I had to dismantle it to persuade them. Once (late 1980s) I was travelling to Belfast with just a briefcase and small shoulder bag; in the shoulder bag was my toilet bag, spare shirt, socks, etc. In the toilet bag was the usual toothbrush, etc and a teaspoon and a small scalpel. The young lady operating the security scanner took about a 5 millisecond glance at the blurry image and said would I "mind leaving the scalpel behind, please." We compromised -- she kept the (detachable) blade. Last one: travelling from London back to Edinburgh I arrived with just a few moments to spare, only to be stopped by security who spotted my small toolcase in my bag. All the tools were OK, though they insisted on pulling most of them out, but they took everything out of the small side pocket until they found a small ziplock bag containing the rather grubby damp sponge for my soldering iron. "Would you mind telling me what this substance is, sir?" -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Gaps in the collection

by lists＠microvax.org

> > I would kill for a VAX 6000 in the UK. Mmmmm... *dribble* > > :D I walk past a 6000-410 every time I go upstairs here, and there's a > 7000 just round the corner in stores. They're both backup machines for a > customer though so you can't have 'em. Bastard. Dibs! ;) > > I'm still a student though, so i've not got a permanent base > > to keep one at. And I thought a uV-II in a BA123 was a > > bastard to heft around every end-of-academic-year... > > BA23 is the way forward, though still bloody heavy. I was just chatting to Greg this morning about swapping my worldbox for a BA23. Sad to see it go because it's so pretty and noisy, but I can rack a BA23 and get some work out of it. alex/melt

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Holy cow...

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

At 08:12 PM 8/6/04 -0400, you wrote: >my job takes me a lot of different places. Two years ago, yes, TSA was not as organized or as efficient as today. They are doing a necessary job to keep planes flying and people going where they want to go. Due to the fact that I worked for TSA two years ago, I am very familiar with what they have gone through. Now, all you do is check your bags in and they open them only if their MRI machine spots something with enough mass to potentially be a problem. They don't make you wait in line much longer now than you did before TSA was there. Passenger screening is also very efficient at most large airports anyway. They started with the notes inside when they quit having you stand in front of them while they checked your bags. I haven't been through any in the last year that did it the old way. > >As for it being BS, I disagree. I would rather have things safer than welcome another attack on US soil because things weren't being checked. It is BS when 10 million illegal Mexicans and others can simply walk across the border and enter (and stay) the US. And lets not even get into how many TONs of drugs are shipped into the US everyday. I live near one of the busiest airports in the US (OIA) and there's hardly a week goes by that I don't hear of a bust at OIA or Miami or some other majot airport where baggage handlers are smuggling in TONS of illlegal drugs, weapons, animals and other material. A recent check at OIA revealed that there were several HUNDRED badges missing that would allow anyone with one of them to get into the secure areas of the airport. INS recently raided Miami airport and arrested allmost 50 baggage handlers that were illegal aliens yet they still had access to secure areas of the airport. I could go on and on but my point is that the passengers being screened and harassed over and over but there are PLENTY of other areas in the airports, ports and borders of this country where security is non-existant! If 10+ million mexicans can walk across the border don't you think 10 terrorists can do the same thing? Security is one thing but mindless, pointless inspections and taking away things like eye glass screwdrivers is something else altogether. Joe > >best regards, Steve Thatcher > >-----Original Message----- >From: "Joe R." <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> >Sent: Aug 6, 2004 7:02 PM >To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> >Subject: Re: Holy cow... > >At 02:14 PM 8/6/04 -0700, you wrote: >>On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, Joe R. wrote: >> >>> >You know when your bag was checked because the TSA puts a form in your bag >>> >saying they did. >>> >>> I beg to differ. I sat in Kansas City airport two years ago and spent >>> abut 3 or 4 hours with the security people and watched as they opened >>> numerous bags and I didn't see them put a sticker on ANY of them. Even when >>> flying and reclaiming baggage I've never seen one of those stickers. >> >>Have you flown recently? > > No and I have no intentions of flying as long as this crap continues. I >have a very low treshold for BS! So don't expect to see me at VCF or >anywhere else if it involves flying. > > Joe > > >

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PS / RE: VCF West hotel

by evan947＠yahoo.com

Do NOT stay at the Pacific Lodge Hotel. That's also right on El Camino. I had my original reservation there last year, and left after the first night because it was a total dive.

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Free hardware to a good home.

by steve＠wren.vt220.org

Here's a bunch of stuff I have to get rid of. I really hope there's a good home out there for the somewhat rare Sparc I have, I think it's a pretty one-of-a-kind device. - A portable Sparc I have that was custom manufactured for the US military. Built to mil-spec, it comes in an imposing grey briefcase. Somewhat portable, has a battery backup that seems to consist of 22 NiCad AA batteries. Has a mysterious IC slot on the bottom with no chip in it that is not part of the original Sparc hardware it's based off of. 64mb RAM, it's an IPX under the hood. Has no disk, and the disk enclosure uses some kind of proprietary connector that you might be able to get to work with a normal SCSI drive. It has all sorts of cool features like an airtight enclosure and a depressurization valve for lugging it through the desert and changes in altitude. Last time I powered it on it worked fine and was able to netboot SunOS 4.1.4. - Two C64s + drives, an apple 2c, mac plus (4mb RAM), apple imagewriter dot matrix printer with about a 50 yr supply of ink cartridges and refill kits. - A real VT220 with a dodgy power button that could probably be fixed easily. - A miscellaneous assortment of external SCSI enclosures. All this (or part of this) can be yours for S&H. I'm not part of this mailing list so please e-mail me privately. Steve.

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Who has Zilog System 8000/32

by vax3900＠yahoo.com

which uses AT&T WE32100 CPU? I have a small gift for you if you have such a system. vax, 3900 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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vcf west advice

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I was toying with going to vcf west in october. Is San Jose the closest convenient airport to fly into? Also, can someone recommend a cheap hotel close to the venue? Jay West --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

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Here's a #1 tip on cleaning computers

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

Rescued a complete Atari Mega 2 from work that was getting thrown out. It was quite dirty being on a mailroom production floor. Anyway, my wife told me about these Mr Clean magic eraser things and they do the best job with cleaning just about anything. It got this Atari nice and clean, sun damage notwithstanding. These eraser things clean off china marker, smoke stains, dirty fingerprints, grease, permanent marker, and just plain dirt. They work perfectly on textured surfaces like plastic computers and car interiors and has not harmed anything I have used it on. I don't know how it works since it's a sponge of some sort, but give it a try. Better than any spray cleaning product I've ever used.

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STD Bus boards anyone?

by anheier＠owt.com

I have the follow STD boards with user manuals. These are spare boards >from a system and are in excellent shape. I am looking for $15 each or $40 for all plus shipping. 1. Pro-log model 7606 parallel I/O care 2. Enlode Inc. Model 200-1 realtime clock and prog. interrupt gen. 3. Datricon, model ANA10 analog I/O card 4. Cubit, model 7040 CRT controller (two styles of boards) thanks Norm

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cctalk Digest, Vol 12, Issue 18

by mtapley＠swri.edu

At 11:35 -0500 8/6/04, jhfinexgs2(a)compsys.to wrote: < ...compsys.to ?? cool, is Toronto its own nation now, or what? >Can anyone comment as to what level of ID is helpful, in addition >to a Passport and Driver's License, both with picture ID? Is >company ID helpful as well when electronic stuff is carried? Southwest Research Institute periodically has engineers transporting spacecraft power boxes, compute boxes, and scientific instruments. We cause minor headaches at security because many of these are contamination sensitive and want to stay inside of their dry-nitrogen-backfilled sealed ESD bags. The engineers carry drivers' licenses and passports (where applicable) and letters on SwRI or NASA letterhead and a contact number at SwRI for security to call and verify they are who they say they are. YMMV, but we have rarely if ever had problems. But then, we all look like geeks anyway (Mike Gemeny, you can confirm this with your brother :-) ). We do call security in advance, but since there's usually a shift change before we arrive, I think it rarely makes any difference. >How do security people get through security? >Or maybe I should not even be asking that question? Can't help with that. -- - Mark 210-522-6025, page 888-733-0967

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VCF 7.0 Date Changed to November 6-7

by vcf＠siconic.com

The date for VCF 7.0 has been changed to November 6-7. A more formal announcement is forthcoming. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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rarest computers

by Adrian＠beovax.co.uk

> -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Vintage > Computer Festival > Sent: 05 August 2004 20:21 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: RE: rarest computers > > On display until late October: > http://www.kahaku.go.jp/english/ I couldn't see anything about computer dinosaurs there, just dinosaur bones :) Cheers w

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Dell comercial

by kenziem＠sympatico.ca

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Can anyone identify the classic computers in the new Dell commercial? It has a tech duct taping a bunch of old machines to keep them running longer. - -- Collector of vintage computers http://www.ncf.ca/~ba600 Looking for: PICMG, Nabu CP/M disks Open Source Weekend http://www.osw.ca -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBEvq/LPrIaE/xBZARAgm+AJ4wfP7zCsF/7/wx/7giJaWPs35ffQCeOOxQ NzWjEEfOPnGud3r9yvH88kA= =JTMS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Gaps in the collection

by lists＠microvax.org

> > > 7000 just round the corner in stores. They're both backup > > machines for > > > a customer though so you can't have 'em. > > > > Bastard. Dibs! ;) > > You're in the queue after me :) I know, but I would just like it known in case something... mysterious happens to you ;) > > I was just chatting to Greg this morning about swapping my > > worldbox for a BA23. Sad to see it go because it's so pretty > > and noisy, but I can rack a BA23 and get some work out of it. > > Why not get one of the VAXstations he got from Jules? Do you have a > requirement for a QBUS box or summat? Yes, i'd like to transplant the fully-functioning guts of the MicroVAX-II in the BA123 into something a bit smaller. I've got various MicroVAX3100s around doing jobs too. Variety, man! alex/melt

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Gaps in the collection

by lists＠microvax.org

> > > > > 7000 just round the corner in stores. They're both backup > > > > machines for a customer though so you can't have 'em. > > > > > > > > Bastard. Dibs! ;) > > > > > > You're in the queue after me :) > > > > I know, but I would just like it known in case something... mysterious happens to you ;) > > For a small fee I could lock him up in D Block at Bletchley this > weekend... :-) *paypal sent* alex/melt

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Vintage computers in Towering Inferno?

by vcf＠siconic.com

I just saw a snippet of the movie "The Towering Inferno" where they were in a security control room and there was a panel in the background with a grid of large rectangular lamps all blinking like mad. Was this a real computer? If so, what was it? If no one can answer, I'll just get the movie in my next Netflix batch and suffer through it to check. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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CHM gripe (was: rarest computers)

by evan947＠yahoo.com

Many things went to Boston's Science Museum as well. > What became of the Boston Computer Museum, anyway? And what happened to > their collection, such as it was? It moved to the west coast and became the Computer History Museum. --

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Trying to remember a machine

by jcwren＠jcwren.com

I'm trying to recall the name of a machine made back in the 80's, I think. I'm pretty sure it was 68000 based, had 2 1/2 or 1/3 height 8" floppies stacked, was as wide as the floppy drives, about 8" tall (guessing), and maybe 6" to 8" deeper than the floppy drives. I was thinking it was a Sage II or Sage IV, but those all had side-by-side 5.25" drives. I'm not positive, but I think this was a Pascal P-machine, or at least was in it's native configuration, if it was 68000. Anyone remember what I'm trying to think of? --jc

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MITS Teletype Interface Board

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi It doesn't look like it has enough on it to be a RS-232 converter but it could be a 20 to 60 mil converter. You might look at the circuit layout around the thansistors labeled Q1 to Q4. Tracing this part out will most likely figure out what the intent is. It looks like it does replace some of the power supply sections of a ASR33 so that would explain the look of a power supply. You can power the unit up and look at the voltages on the DB25. I tend to agree that missing both pin 1 and pin 7 would indicate that it wasn't a RS232. Dwight >From: "Brian Knittel" <brian(a)quarterbyte.com> > >Hi, > >For those of you who asked to see the MITS >Teletype Interface board I mentioned a couple >of days ago, I've put a picture at >http://www.ibm1130.org/misc/mits-tty-interface.jpg > >The molex connector at the bottom left below the relay >is where the data cable connects. The other end is >a DB25 connector, and the wires go to pins 2-6. Since >there is no connection to pin 7 (signal ground) it must >be current loop. > >Brian >

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KA630 guru/tests?

by mouse＠Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA

Now that I'm back on the list, by dint of unsub + resub (which I really should have thought to do earlier, rather than waiting against the time Jay finally emerges from the aftermath of VCF East).... I'm trying to build a KA630 emulator, more because I think it'll be fun and will teach me stuff than because I actually have a use for such a thing (there are plenty of good open-source VAX emulators out there already). I picked the KA630 because it's the only VAX implementation I have enough information on to even really attempt to build a simulator for. I dumped the ROMs from one of my KA630s (e/l/p/n:3fff 20040000, plus some postprocessing of the capture file) to get firmware. But the emulated VAX hangs at selftest step B. The manual I have (EK-KA630-UG-001) says this means that the IPCR is not working properly (probably broken Qbus electronics, on a real KA630), but it doesn't go into any significant detail. Furthermore, if I break to the simulator and manually advance it past the "blbc r0,." that it's hanging at, it continues, but ends up with an error at step 7 - apparently it can't find any working memory(!). Now, the manual could be simply wrong. I've found it lying (or, let me be charitable, "not matching the machine I have") at once already; it claims certain bits are write-only, but the ROM code depends on being able to read them. Or I could be mis-emulating the Qbus stuff. Or I could have a bug in the emulation of an instruction somewhere. So, I'm looking for either or both of (a) someone who's enough of a KA630 guru to help or (b) some kind of VAX instruction-set test suite, to help verify that I have the instruction emulations right. (I caught one instruction emulation bug already, quite by chance; there is surely at least one more.) Thoughts? /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse(a)rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B

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Hardware/doc preservatoion, was Re: rarest computers.

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Paul Koning" <pkoning(a)equallogic.com> > >>>>>> "Paul" == Paul Koning <pkoning(a)equallogic.com> writes: > >>>>>> "Steven" == Steven N Hirsch <shirsch(a)adelphia.net> writes: > Steven> On Wed, 4 Aug 2004, ben franchuk wrote: > >>> PS. Years ago in BYTE ( early 1990's? ) they had spoke up of a > >>> CPU designed for reliable operation for real time control of > >>> things like power plants or subways or aircraft. They claimed it > >>> was so simple that programs could be proven to be bug free. I was > >>> wondering if they manufactured or sold any the devices. > > Steven> That would be the British "Viper" CPU. Computational theory > Steven> suggests (proves, perhaps? - it's been a few years) that use > Steven> of hardware or software stacks renders behavior > Steven> indeterminate. > > Paul> Baloney. Anyone who has paid any attention to Dijkstra knows > Paul> that such a statement would have to be complete and utter > Paul> nonsense. > >PS. It is certainly true that programs can be proven to match their >specification. That's not quite the same as proving them bug free -- >it now requires the specification to be bug free. > >But such proofs in no way require the absence of a stack. That's >actually rather obvious, because any program that uses a stack can be >rewritten into a program that does not use one. But in fact such a >rewrite does not help readability at all. > >It probably is not a coincidence that the scientist who did much early >work on stacks is also the scientist who spent a lifetime working on >program correctness (E.W.Dijkstra). > > paul > Hi I think that it is interesting that there is a programmer in the UK that produces one of the few provable program products for correctness ( to specification ) that meet some standard ( I forget which ) and his programs are all done in Forth ( that uses two stacks ). My understanding is that most of the reason he can produce this is that the language it self is built and verified by him and that even though there are stacks, use is usually more controlled and maximum depths can be calculated. Most Forth processes are done with cooperative tasking rather than the more random effects of preemptive. This also means better predictability. The other part is that Forth programs tend to be highly factored. This means that hierarchical verification is more practical. It is easier to understand the range of valid inputs for each piece and how those effect the next level up. He writes program for such things as subway control systems. His products need to meet tight controls that need to be absolutely correct or people die. Strange that he would use a language that not only uses a stack but uses two stacks and still produces verifiable results. He considers that choice to be a most important one. Dwight

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