SAGE was a great pioneering thing, but here's a take that's likely not
to be popular here. Les Earnest is a genuine greybeard, and
appropriately crusty.
http://www.stanford.edu/~learnest/e2a.html
I know SAGE is a sacred cow, but they often make the best burgers.
Also check out some of his other pleasant rantings at
http://www.stanford.edu/~learnest
I have three boards. Two of them are Rev. K3. One of the boards has PROMS
on it, and no readable version, but the second has the 330-E5 and the
331-E5. What is your timeframe? I have to power up the right PC with
the eprom burner on it to read them, but that could be done within a
fortnight or less.
Joe Heck
I know this is OT but I thought this was just too neat not to pass on.
My father just retired and he's now trying to clean up 70 years of
packratting. I was over helping him sort out his TTY stuff and found an old
book in the bottom of a drawer titled Service and Instruction manual RADIO
B-24D Airplane. It's a hardbound book printed by Consolidated Aircraft in
1943 that describes all of the radio systems aboard the B-24 Liberator
bomber. It's over 250 pages long and every page in it is marked Restricted
and it covers everything you could ever want to know about the Command,
Marker Beacon, Radio Compass and Laison radio sets including detailed parts
lists, cable and antenna routing, large foldout schematics, pictures of the
radio sets with all the various parts labeled, pictures of the cockpit with
all the rdio controls labeled, radio theory and loads more. One of the odd
things about this book is that it's NOT a military manual. It's written in
(mostly) non-technical and very readable manner and not like the dry
writing style used in military manuals. It's also hard bound with leather
looking cover and a nice gold embossed Consolidated Aircraft seal and title
on the front cover and spine. My father wants me to try and sell it but I
think I might just lose it on my bookshelf!
Joe
Could not find a DS8136 in any book but found the DM8136 in the 1981
National Semiconductor Logic Databook, section 7. It is a 6-bit
Unified Bus COmparator, 16 pin. used to compare two 6 bit words. I have the
paper copy of the documentation, only 3 pages. I'll post more
if somebody needs it, or do it offline.
Joe Heck
On Aug 9 2004, 22:28, quapla(a)xs4all.nl wrote:
> You should have told me earlier. I have a controller here which has
> those 2 roms on them. Mind you, the other 3 I have all have 23-248 &
> 23-249 on them.
Ah. That's a shame -- I could have copied them while you were here!
> BTW, what's so special about them (other than being having a higher
> firmware revision)?
Later versions of some OSs don't like some of the bugs in the earlier
ROMs, when you have a full complement of memory, so I want to upgrade
the TQK50 in my MicroVAX.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
On Aug 9 2004, 14:35, trash3(a)splab.cas.neu.edu wrote:
> Pete,
> I have a few tqk50 controllers (at least they are qbus and run
tk50
> drives). I'll have to look up the numbers but I'm pretty sure they
say
> tqk50 on them. I am in the Boston, MA area. If I can fire up my
eprom
> programmer and they are of the 27xxx ilk, I can read them. If not,
I'll
> ship you a board, since I am a little closer.
Shipping would still be transatlantic, but the ROMs should be 27128s so
they should be easy to read. Intel HEX or a binary image are
preferred, but I can also handle S-record files if necessary.
Thank you!
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
We have used stabilant 22 for about 14 years now, mostly on 1/4 inch phone
jacks and plugs that get oxidized from infrequent use. Saw that trick in
a Byte magazine way back. Expensive but it works for us.
Joe Heck
Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> wrote:
> First of all, a pure DOS computer is a VERY handy tool to have around.
MS-DOS is really a program loader, which is actually extremely important
since PCs do not come with monitor program.
SUNs come with the Forth boot ROM which is arguably far more useful than
MSDOS, but not very popular. For this reason you won't see anything like
MSDOS for SUNs.
I have a VMware VM running MSDOS with network support and I use this
to compile TurboC programs (for some reason the tcc linker does not run
in a Windows 2000, or later DOS box, it does run on MS-DOS-based systems
like Windows 95/98/ME).
I also find the lack of any amount of resource management by MSDOS to be
invaluable for writing programs that explore the behaviour of hardware
systems (e.g. HP-IB devices).
Of course, I wouldn't use such a system for any real work :-) I am amazed
that people actually did so.
**vp
Hi Gang,
I'm looking for Commodore PET schematics, and any helpful info on troubleshooting
a PET.
The machine in question is a SuperPET 9000. This is basically a PET 4032 with an
extra pair of boards added that allows a 6809 processor.
I have two machines, one is fully functional, and one does not run on the "6502"
setting (works on the 6809 setting). I also have a working 4032 which has an identical
6502 board to the SuperPET.
I have stripped both SuperPET's down to the 6502 board only (ie: same as a 4032),
the working one continues to work, and the dead one continues to not work.
I suspect ROM's, as I have seen a lot of PET ROM's go bad ... unfortunately all
three machines are NOT socketed, so simple swap tests are "unfriendly".
All three machines when powered on, play a little "bee-dle-bee-dle-bee" in the
Pizo speaker, and clear the screen - the two working units then proceed to
display "Commodore BASIC version 4.0, .... READY", while the dead one does
not. Entering the command "print chr$(7)" on the dead one does NOT result in
a beep, indicating that BASIC is not running (it does beep on the other two).
I'm assuming that it does clear the screen, because if powered up without the
CPU plugged in it displays a screen full of "garbage" - ie: the video display
is "hard" and active all the time - (the CPU is one of only a few chips in
a socket due to it's being "moved" to the expansion board with a ribbon cable
in the full configuration).
Anyone have experience with these PET's? Anyone have schematics?
Suggestions, etc. welcome.
Regards,
Dave
--
dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield
dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com
com Vintage computing equipment collector.
http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html
On Aug 9 2004, 7:46, Ed Kelleher wrote:
> At 07:23 AM 8/9/2004, Pete Turnbull wrote:
> >I'm looking for ROMs (or ROM images would be better) for a TQK50
> >controller. The ROMs I want are 23-330E5 and 23-331E5. Can anyone
> >help?
> Have 2 TQK50's K3 Rev with those ROM's on them I'm not using.
> Haven't fiddled with the EPROM machine for years, so no easy way to
>get the images.
> But I'll send you a board if nothing better turns up for you.
If no-one else offers, that would be great. Thanks! Is there anyone
out there who could read the (EP)ROMs to save Ed sending them across
the Atlantic to me?
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) wrote:
> Talking of HP using 555 timers, they used one to drive the power-on light
> in the HP86 (and I assuem the HP97). [...]
(nitpicking here, you are talking about the 87)
> So the LED is dark if the machine is off, on steadily if the machine is
> on and no error (555 is held reset, so the output is low all the time),
> and blinks (controlled by the 555) if there's an error.
Actually the LED blinks when the machine is busy (e.g. running a program).
This is very neat as with the HP85 you sometimes do not know whether the
program has finished or is still running.
**vp
I've found several keyboards with the foam pads. Incidentally, none were
of either the Keytronic or Sun type that I've heard other people talk
about. All the Keytronic keyboards and two of the Sun keyboards I checked
do not have the pads, but rather rubber "cones". I've gotten fairly good
at being able to determine which keyboards have the pads and which ones
don't based on the feel of the keypress.
Anyway, if anyone needs these pads for restoration work, I'll sell the
relevant part of the keyboard for $10 plus shipping (minus extraneous
plastic/metal to reduce weight), or I'll take all the pads out for you
for $20 plus shipping. It may well work out to be a wash either way.
Figure the cost is $.20 per pad if you have me take them out, which I
think is a good deal.
E-mail me privately if interested.
--
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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Hi there,
I've just got an Altos 386/1000 with what appears to be 14M of memory,
an expansion board with four RS232 ports and possibly two AUI ports (one
is certainly AUI), and a 300-odd Mb hard drive that I suspect is dying.
Does anyone have a copy of some install media for this? I would like to
try another, healthier (and possibly quieter) SCSI drive in the old beast.
I think it probably boots an installer from tape, but there is a 5.25"
floppy drive as well.
Thanks folks,
Gordon JC Pearce.
>> You're more likely to be hurt by a PC or an iPod (woman in Tennessee
>> killed her boyfriend with an iPod)
>> http://www.liquidgeneration.com/rumormill/ipod_killing.html
>
>"Police said no motive has been confirmed, although evidence suggested
>the murder was the result of a domestic dispute after Pulaski erased the
>contents of Mathers' iPod."
>
>That is the funniest damn thing I have heard all week.
>
>"According to law officers, Mathers was hysterical when police arrived
>and told them that she killed her boyfriend only after he accused her of
>illegally downloading music and erased about 2,000 of her MP3s. Mathers
>complained that it took 3 months to build her music collection."
>
>Innocent. I'd a done the same damn thing.
Cripes... I want to know if the iPod still works! That would be a
durability test no one else could lay claim to. "You can bash in your
boyfriend's head, and continue listening to your MP3's, all without
missing a beat"
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
EUREKA!
Reading Scott Stevens' post regarding the FORTRAN decks, a bell suddenly
rang inside my wee head.
http://www.columbia.edu/acis/history/1965.html
The 7090 had an accurate, mechanical TOD clock.
I feel so clever now! ^_^
-tsb
Please CC any replies to me (toresbe(a)ifi.uio.no) as my cctech digest is
unreliable at best.
Pete,
I have a few tqk50 controllers (at least they are qbus and run tk50
drives). I'll have to look up the numbers but I'm pretty sure they say
tqk50 on them. I am in the Boston, MA area. If I can fire up my eprom
programmer and they are of the 27xxx ilk, I can read them. If not, I'll
ship you a board, since I am a little closer.
Joe Heck
Hi
I'm mixing it up with one of the others. It looks like
it is the comparator. I stand corrected.
Dwight
>From: "Pete Turnbull" <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com>
>
>On Aug 9 2004, 9:10, Dwight K. Elvey wrote:
>> From: "emanuel stiebler" <emu(a)ecubics.com>
>> > Hi,
>> > anybody out here has a datasheet for those ?
>
>> If I'm not correct, these are a 8 bit bus buffer.
>
>I'm 99% sure you're not correct. They're 6-bit bus comparators.
> DM8136 is the Signetics part number, and DS8136 is the NatSemi one;
>alas I have data for neither.
>
>--
>Pete Peter Turnbull
> Network Manager
> University of York
>
On Aug 9 2004, 9:10, Dwight K. Elvey wrote:
> From: "emanuel stiebler" <emu(a)ecubics.com>
> > Hi,
> > anybody out here has a datasheet for those ?
> If I'm not correct, these are a 8 bit bus buffer.
I'm 99% sure you're not correct. They're 6-bit bus comparators.
DM8136 is the Signetics part number, and DS8136 is the NatSemi one;
alas I have data for neither.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
they are 6 bit comparitors often used as address comparitors
on early unibus boards. I'm sure there is an example of their
use on early unibus board schematics
i'll see about digging up the data sheet. from memory it's
an xor/nand combination.
Personally, I'm becoming convinced that we need a USB to floppy "device,
configurable for 8", 5.25" and 3.5" drives, single/double/quad density,
single/double sided, with suitable software (of course). Perhaps separate
slightly separate devices are needed for different drive types (e.g. 8" vs.
5.25"). And preferably capable of supporting two drives.
I took apart a USB 3.5" drive hoping that it was a standard 3.5" drive
(34-conductor interface) with a USB "controller". Alas, however, it was a
"fully integrated" device.
Anyone interested in tackling the USB adapter project? It's beyond my
capabilities at this point.
Dear friends of old IBM and Siemens Gear,
I have a few IBM 3277 (at least 3) and Siemens (1 or 2)
Terminals available. They are from around 1980. The units
come complete with keyboards. I left my scribble-sheet in
my office, so I can provide the correct Siemens model no.
tomorrow. If you are interested please take a look at
http://www.eichberger.org/tmp_term.html. The units are
located in Linz/Austria.
Please contact me personally for more Details.
I know these units are not very expensive these days, but
I'd like to have a few Euros (not really much) or another
interesting Item in exchange for them if this is okay for
you.
I do not want to put them up in Ebay, so if you know
someone off-list feel free to forward this message.
Best Regards,
Wolfgang Eichberger
====================================================
Ing. Wolfgang Eichberger cell.: +43-664-240-65-92
http://www.eichberger.org
email: wolfgang(a)eichberger.org
----------------------------------------------------
Gruentalerstr. 24 - 4020 Linz ? AUSTRIA
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>From: charlesb(a)otcgaming.net
>From: "emanuel stiebler" <emu(a)ecubics.com>
>
>
>> Hi,
>> anybody out here has a datasheet for those ?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Hi
If I'm not correct, these are a 8 bit bus buffer.
I think they are bidirectional but I'm not sure about
that. They don't have the same pinout as a '245 but
function the same.
Dwight
>South Carolina requires training and has a written test and a shooting test
>that people must pass before receiving a concealed weapon permit. Most
>other states have training requirements also.
>But, none of them are very arduous and yes many states don' t have training
>requirements at all as you say.
In NJ to get a carry permit, you have to be 18, and you have to petition
a judge to issue you the carry permit. Before they will consider you, you
MUST "qualify" with a handgun. That basically means, you know how to
load, unload, handle, and can hit the broad side of a barn. After that it
is entirely up to the judge if you get the carry permit or not. Generally
speaking, they won't give you the permit unless you have a really good
reason for it (work as armed security, or have some profession such as a
diamond dealer that would give you a valid reason for it). General
shmucks would not be given the permit... unless you happen to be buddies
with the judge.
So in NJ, it isn't impossible to get a carry permit, but it isn't the
easiest thing for a general citizen to get.
At least that was the way it worked 10 years ago when it was last of
issue to me (I used to work for a security company as a "rent-a-cop" to
pay for college).
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
Hi there,
I've just acquired an Altos 386-1000. It's got an expansion board with
what seems to be two AUIs and four extra serial ports, what appears to
be 14M of RAM, and a 300-odd Mb hard disk that I suspect may be failing.
Does anyone have a copy of any manuals, or any install media for this? It
is running some kind of Sys V Unix, and does actually boot most of the
time, but I'd like to fit another (quieter, if nothing else) drive to it.
Also, it has a lot of old customer information from the previous owner,
and I'd like to do a clean install if at all possible.
Many thanks,
Gordon JC Pearce.
Hi,
I have a Sun Sparc Server 490 that I posted as being available on the
list for pickup (ie *free*) some time ago. Someone had previously
wanted it but they seemed to have fallen off the face of the Earth.
So, if someone doesn't claim this (and take it) it's going to the
scrapper.
Speak up now or don't bitch when it gets melted down!
--
TTFN - Guy
I have the "standard" docs that ship with this system,
but am trying to locate copies of the "programmer's
technical guide" and the "maintainence/service manual"
for this system (these names might be approximated,
but something along those lines).
Please drop me a line if you might be able to help.
__________________________________
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I need an Adaptec AHA2944 (any version) HVD SCSI card for an old SGI
(but not 10 years old so no strictly classic). Anybody have one they'd
sell for a modest amount, or trade for an AHA2940 (LVD/SE)?
I'm also looking for an HVD to LVD (or SE) adapter (usually called a
SCSI extender).
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
Well last year I travelled (from the US) to Europe with a suitcase full
of de-commissioned computers (incl. a Sun Ultra 1 which filled most of
the suitcase) and spare parts (about 5-8 year old stuff). Since I
couldn't care less about eproms or other media, I just let it go
through the normal checked luggage check. The suitcase was not locked
(as per guidelines) and I know they opened it (not in my presence, so I
don't really know how much time they spent looking though it), but
nobody said anything to me about it, and the suitcase went through
without any problems.
If you are packing clothing with the equipment (as padding or to save
carrying a second suitcase) I would advise you to pack them in
transparent plastic bags, so that the checkers can go through them
without spilling them all over the floor. Also avoid small unpacked
items that can fall off the suitcase during the visual inspection
process.
Finally remember that the people carrying out the inspection will not
use the same care as you in putting everything back in the suitcase, so
leave some extra space to accommodate the (less efficient) re-packing.
If your suitcase is a jigsaw with everything required to be packed just
right for the suitcase to close, then expect to see a mess at your
destination.
I remember that while I was waiting to check in at the Philadelphia
International Airport I could see TSA staff trying to close an opened
suitcase. Now that was a royal mess, with clothing sticking out from
all sides and the suitcase refusing to come anywhere near to closing.
Eventually the just closed the two halves as much as they could and
used plastic wrap to keep the insides from spilling over. I bet the
owners would freak out, especially if they had clean and ironed
clothing
**vp
On Aug 8, 13:52, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Aug 2004, Dan Williams wrote:
>
> > Any plans for VCF UK ?
>
> Eventually. I was speaking with some folks at Bletchly Park a few
years
> ago but that never went anywhere.
>
> Perhaps we can try again?
I'd be willing to help. I once investigated using facilities at the
University, but they charge an awful lot.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
An acquaintance referred me to this group because he thought someone here
could help me out.
I am looking for a copy of SunOS 4.1.3, preferably version C.
Can anyone assist me in finding a copy for purchase? I have an old Sparc
with a program titled SNAP that was written for this particular version of
SunOS, but I do not have this version...only Solaris 2.0 and SNAP will not
run on it.
Thanks for your help!
Chad Tillman
chad(a)ti-law.com
704-458-2423
Hi,
For those of you who asked to see the MITS
Teletype Interface board I mentioned a couple
of days ago, I've put a picture at
http://www.ibm1130.org/misc/mits-tty-interface.jpg
The molex connector at the bottom left below the relay
is where the data cable connects. The other end is
a DB25 connector, and the wires go to pins 2-6. Since
there is no connection to pin 7 (signal ground) it must
be current loop.
Brian
Chandra, Mike,
I was delighted to have purchased the Xerox Alto-I
>from John and Heather several months ago.
I was equally excited when I purchased from John
the McMasterUniv/KevinStumpf PDP-15 several years ago.
I used/programmed both of these machines long ago at Xerox PARC
and Arizona State University, respectively.
I invited Chuck Thacker (designer) & Ron Cude over soon
after the Alto-I arrived to review the boards and discuss
a bring-up strategy. Although I'm progressing very slowly,
I've been reforming/checking the caps/power supplies.
OK so far.
Some day I'll get info up on a web site to share...
- Robert
p.s. Check out "Dealers of Lightning: Xerox PARC and the
Dawn of the Computer Age". A generally accurate technical
history of PARC during the 70's/80's.
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 13:59:30 +0000
> From: "Mike Ross" <mross666(a)hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: Xerox Alto Restoration + Emulation
> To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org
> Cc: cbajpai(a)comcast.net
> Message-ID: <BAY22-F75yPC0EyQygD00053bbf(a)hotmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>
> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 23:32:18 -0400
> From: "Chandra Bajpai" <cbajpai(a)comcast.net>
> Subject: Xerox Alto Restoration + Emulation
>
>> Has anyone every heard of these guys.they seem to up in Canada and are
>> painstakingly restoring an Xerox Alto I since April 2003.
>
> <snip>
>
> That would be the Bordynuiks, Heather & John IIRC. They had a bunch of
> stuff
> on ebay a while back, bought some pdp-11/20 memory from them. Other
> than
> that my contact with them has been minimal.
>
> They own pdp8.com - they had some nice stuff, including a nice pdp-15
> with
> drum IIRC. Think Robert Garner has that one now...
>
> The Alto restoration is one *very* impressive bit of work, they're
> serious
> hardware engineers - seem to recall they also (according to rumour) had
> something to do with Paul Allen and his KL...
>
> Mike
> http://www.corestore.org
>
>
> End of cctech Digest, Vol 12, Issue 4
> *************************************
>
Hi, gang,
I've just started an E-pay auction for an item that those of you working on 8" floppy drives (and even the smaller ones) may find useful. It's a Lynx 470 floppy drive exerciser/alignment tester. It's in good shape, complete with a bunch of accessories and carrying case. Bid starts at $10.
FWIW, I remember seeing these sets in the catalogs for Specialized Products company in the late 80's. Horribly expensive back then... $1,500+, if I recall correctly.
Anyway, pop over to E-pay and do a seller search for bftbell if you're interested.
Thanks much.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy,
Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com
kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech do/t c=o=m
"If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped with surreal ports?"
At 08:12 PM 8/6/2004, you wrote:
>As for it being BS, I disagree. I would rather have things safer than
>welcome another attack on US soil because things weren't being checked.
Sorry, it is BS. If we wanted to make things safer, we'd let citizens with
concealed weapons permits carry guns on planes.
Ed
Hello,
Does anyone out there have any words of wisdom for someone looking into repairing an Apple Lisa power supply? I have 3 power supplies, 2x 1.2A and 1x 1.8A, and each has its own set of issues. One is just plain dead, the safety switch engages OK but nothing powers up. Another one, the 1.8A unit, pops the GFI on the circuit as soon as it is plugged in. The third one makes a chirping sound when the power switch is pressed. The chirping continues as long as the switch is pressed. The PS that trips the GFI was working fine about a year ago but seems to have some issues now. Each power supply was tested in two different working Apple Lisas. Each has been opened up and each looks fine, no noticeable damage, scorches, ect. If anyone has had similar problems I would be interested in any solutions you came up with.
Thanks,
Nick
Rick Bensene <rickb(a)bensene.com> wrote:
> Teletype ASR-33 or ASR-35: Maybe someday.
What's the difference between ASR-33 and ASR-35? I've also heard of
a Teletype 37, what is that one?
MS
This will seem like a digression, but it's not. I have a SOL & Helios pair
on E-Bay right now (if you are interested, hurry, it ends tomorrow):
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5112120888
If you read the auction, I discuss the keyboard issue at length and in the
set of 12 photos for the auction I even took a photo of a keyboard being
rebuilt.
I'm surprised that no one asked me where I got the foam pads.
Anyway, they came from:
Mike Stephens
Mil-Key Corp.
m-corp(a)qwest.net
You can buy a new PC (cordless) keyboard for what it will cost you to rework
a SOL keyboard (or any other Keytronic keyboard using these pads), but as
far as I know it's the only source. HE SAYS THAT WHEN THE CURRENT SUPPLY IS
GONE, THERE WILL BE NO MORE, ****EVER****. AND HE SAYS THAT IT'S ALMOST
GONE.
You can see a photo of the pads in the SOL auction above. They are
different from (and, I'm hoping, superior to) both the original pads and the
later ones used in the Sun keyboards.
Hi all,
How about this one...
Build it myself, so I know for sure only ONE exists of it on the globe.
See: http://www.siconic.com/crap/henk/
Regards
Henk Stegeman
All of this stuff is going to Goodwill on Monday, so, if you
are in the Houston area ....
Alpha XL366 +kbd+mouse
VT320 +manual
VT420 +manual
(3) LK401 (1) LK201
TZ86 tape drive
Carton of misc DEC Docs+manuals
Carton of (mostly) DEC branded cables
(4) DEC cdrom+tape drives
External DEC RRD42
......... no shipping!
-nick 0