- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by rich_bramante＠yahoo.com

I snagged a Wang PC-280 from destruction today. Email me if interested. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

21 years, 7 months

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Facit N4000 manual/docs/software?

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Subject says it all... looking for them. Anyone have them? Jay West

21 years, 7 months

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VT-220 has a headache

by trash3＠splab.cas.neu.edu

The way I understood the post, the only thing on the screen is about one inch high, with black every place else, which means vertical deflection is pretty much gone. It's been too long since I looked at crt stuff, but probably vertical deflection transistor. JOe Heck

21 years, 7 months

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Help with question about web page access

by jhfinexgs2＠compsys.to

I realize that the 2 questions I have are NOT within the 10 year rule, but I really could use some help! While I have been using computers for over 40 years, I have stayed with very old systems as far as programming and writing programs is concerned. Thus, under Windows 98 SE and Netsacpe 4.78 (which is what I am using to access the internet and this news group), I am ONLY able to use the operating system and the application; I am NOT able to make any modifications which is how I usually proceed when I encounter any problems. Last week, the web site that I usually access in a very standard manner using Windows 98 SE / Netscape 4.78 no longer provides the information I used to obtain. The reason is that the company which controls access to the web site decided to add additional features which require the use of at least Netscape 7.0 by the user. And while I agree that the company has every legal right to do so, at the very least some sort of warning could have been provided which was much more apparent other than placing the information under a link titled "required browsers" that I understand did provide some advance notice. However, at the SAME time, the error page which informed users that cookies were REQUIRED listed (and still lists) Netscape 4.x and Netscape 6.x as the required browsers if cookies were turned OFF. Some more background information: Because I ALWAYS run Netscape with cookies turned OFF, except when I am required to have cookies enabled to access the 2 web pages that I normally use, I often encountered the error page which listed Netscape 4.x as one of the required browsers. Since EVERYTHING works when cookies were enabled, I never bothered to access the "required browsers" link as the error page certainly seemed to provide that information when I forgot to turn cookies ON - which usually happened at least once a week. ALSO, while I am not able to fully use the web site, I am able to "log in" (with a userid and password) to get to the first level of information that I request. It is only subsequent screens that I am unable to FULLY access, i.e. when I request the next level of information, the next screen is reached, but the changing information is no longer displayed under Netscape 4.78, ONLY the top portion with the headers, etc. I have 2 questions: Based on the information on the error page, would a normal user be ALSO expected to look at the "required browsers" link when the specific naming of Netscape 4.x was (and still was when this post was made) displayed as an acceptable browser when I forgot to turn cookies ON? Could the company have continued to allow users access to the web site under Netscape 4.78 by the expedient of NOT providing those users the additional features that users of Netscape 7.0 and later are provided? NAMELY, do the fellows setting up the program have the ability to check as to which version of Netscape is being used and could the program have retained the old code for those users who stayed with Netscape 4.78 and used to new code for those users who shifted to Netscape 7.0 and later? I realize this post is very long, but I hope it should be possible to answer both questions with a simple YES or NO! If you wish to add an explanation, that would also be VERY MUCH appreciated! Sincerely yours, Jerome Fine -- If you attempted to send a reply and the original e-mail address has been discontinued due a high volume of junk e-mail, then the semi-permanent e-mail address can be obtained by replacing the four characters preceding the 'at' with the four digits of the current year.

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VT-220 has a headache

by acme＠gbronline.com

Symptom: a one-inch high band of horizontally scrolling garbage in the center of the screen. Any ideas before I go in there and poke around? Later -- Glen 0/0

21 years, 7 months

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CBTREE source code needed

by acme＠gbronline.com

This was a B+ tree package produced by Peacock Systems (Walter Peacock) for MS-DOS (and written in C) in the late 80s Some applications I wrote 15 years ago have come back to haunt me and I no longer have the library source. Any help out there? TIA -- Glen Goodwin 0/0

21 years, 7 months

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GPIB Card Availabe

by anheier＠owt.com

I have a no-name GPIB card available, untested. Free for shipping cost. thanks Norm

21 years, 7 months

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WTD: help debugging an eprom emulator

by philpem＠dsl.pipex.com

Hi, Sorry for clogging up classiccmp with this message, but it is sort-of classiccmp related (I wanted to build an EPROM emulator to make ROM development on my BBC Micro a little faster). I've been trying to get my EPROM emulator design to work - I can't see any errors in the wiring and AFAICT all the ICs are fine. I've uploaded the schematic to <http://www.philpem.me.uk/epemsch.png>. If anyone spots a design error, please let me know - I've gone over the schematic a few dozen times and I'm almost at the point of giving up :-/ It looks like data is getting loaded, but isn't getting output to the target device properly... %DEITY knows why, though... Thanks. -- Phil. | Acorn Risc PC600 Mk3, SA202, 64MB, 6GB, philpem(a)dsl.pipex.com | ViewFinder, 10BaseT Ethernet, 2-slice, http://www.philpem.dsl.pipex.com/ | 48xCD, ARCINv6c IDE, SCSI ... Psychoceramics: The study of crackpots.

21 years, 7 months

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ADM3A and Teletype Model 43 available

by trestivo＠cfl.rr.com

To all.just 3 days left on an ADM3A terminal and a Teletype Model 43, both in good condition. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5118849457&ssPageNam e=ADME:B:LC:US:1> &item=5118849457&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5118846659&ssPageNam e=ADME:B:LC:US:1> &item=5118846659&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1 thanks.

21 years, 7 months

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HP 2100 book sought ($BOUNTY$)

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I'm looking for an original copy (not pdf or other electronic format) of the "HP Pocket Reference Guide to the 2100 Computer". Unlike the title suggests, it's hardly pocket-sized. It's about 450 pages, with roughly 5x8 pages. I'm willing to pay non-trivial sums of cash, or provide lopsided trades, for said book. Regards, Jay West --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

21 years, 7 months

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CP/M-86 manuals, software available

by anheier＠owt.com

I have the following to offer: 1. Digital Research CP/M-86 operating system manual, release 1.1, 1982, has the user guide, system guide, programmer's guide, hard shell box, all in very good condition, includes well used command summary pamphet. Software 5 1/4" disks: GSX-86 version 1.1, CP/M-86 version 1.1, CBASIC/86 Version 1.4-- untested 2. Digital Research CP/M-86 operating system manual, release 1.1, 1982, has the user guide, system guide, programmer's guide, hard shell box, all in very good condition, includes mint command summary pamphet. Software 8" disks: CP/M-86 version 1.1, Sealed-unopened, untested If you are interested, shoot me some offers. Thanks Norm

21 years, 7 months

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CPU Chips

by bmachacek＠pcisys.net

I have been salvaging old computers now for over 6 years and have kept all the CPU chips that I have found in them. Most of the chips being from 386, 486, and Pentium I computers. Is there a list anywhere that identifies which of these chips might be rare or hard to find? Before I scrap them for the gold content, I'd like to find out if any of them might be worth keeping or selling to someone interested in a particular chip. Thanks for any information you can give me. Bill Machacek Colo. Springs, CO

21 years, 7 months

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Xerox Memorywriter System Disks

by jkalin196511＠mchsi.com

Do you have this item? If you still do I'm very interested in it. I know this is might be a long shot since the original message is from 2002. Sincerely, Jim Kalin ____________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________ Original Message: AVAIL: Xerox 630 Memorywriter system disks Robert F. Schaefer cctech(a)classiccmp.org <mailto:cctech%40classiccmp.org> Sun Dec 29 19:59:35 2002 * Previous message: Section <http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2002-December/006968.html> 9? (HP 1000 power supply) * Next message: M200 <http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2002-December/006947.html> interfacing * Messages sorted by: [ <http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2002-December/date.html#6941> date ] [ <http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2002-December/thread.html#6941> thread ] [ <http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2002-December/subject.html#6941> subject ] [ <http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2002-December/author.html#6941> author ] _____ Found a disk case at the thrift store that claims to contain the system software for a Xerox Memorywriter 630. Contains four 5.25" floppys marked as follows: white XEROX 630 Memorywriter label, blank, non-write-protected green XEROX 630 Memorywriter label, `Base System', `REORDER NO. 9R23303 VERSION 6.0 3Q85-B', write-protected blue XEROX 630 Memorywriter label, `Options', `REORDER NO. 9R23302 VERSION 4.0 1Q85-B', write-protected pink XEROX 630 Memorywriter label, `Forms', `REORDER NO. 9R23301 VERSION 3.0 1Q85-B', write-protected also 2 each spare pink & blue labels w/o the version, etc. info. No apparent physical damage, and the oxide showing in the window isn't funny-looking, but YMMV. Available for shipping, but I'm currently in need of a set of four 2MB SIMMs (w/ IBM's SPD) to fit in a P70... hint hint... :) Bob _____ size=2 width="100%" align=center> * Previous message: Section <http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2002-December/006968.html> 9? (HP 1000 power supply) * Next message: M200 <http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2002-December/006947.html> interfacing * Messages sorted by: [ <http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2002-December/date.html#6941> date ] [ <http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2002-December/thread.html#6941> thread ] [ <http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2002-December/subject.html#6941> subject ] [ <http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2002-December/author.html#6941> author ]

21 years, 7 months

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more VT stuff available

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Power supply for VT100, working, switch handle broken off. Model H7831. Cost = Shipping Jay West

21 years, 7 months

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dec LA/VT stuff available

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I have a Decwriter III (LA120) available. Never plugged it in, somewhat yellowed case, missing the break key. Very dusty but otherwise in good condition. It's taking up way too much space so I want it gone quick - otherwise it gets pitched or stripped for spare parts. Also have available 2 or 3 VT100 keyboards. Fairly yellowed, one is missing one keycap, the other is missing about 5 keycaps. Good for parts - they get pitched if no one claims them. Jay

21 years, 7 months

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HP memory modules

by jwest＠huey.classiccmp.org

They have been spoken for! Jay

21 years, 7 months

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HP memory available (HP9000)

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Maybe not quite vintage... but I have these, and no need for them, and would rather trade or give them away than toss them. I have four memory modules labled as follows: Series 800/900 Memory 32mb A2511-69001 The extractor handle on each module (and the label) says 32mb. But being somewhat familiar (although rusty) with HP part numbers and modules of this type, it is possible that even though it says 32mb on each module that each one is really 16mb, as modules were always sold in pairs for these particular systems. Knowing the origin of this memory, it mostly likey came from a G machine, or possibly a K machine. I cant be sure, but I suspect they are working fine. If anyone wants them let me know quickly... Jay West

21 years, 7 months

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Test - Please ignore!

by zmerch＠30below.com

Boy, you don't pay attention to subject lines, do you??? ;-) I seem to have stopped receiving cctalk postings... so this is just a test. Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers zmerch(a)30below.com Hi! I am a .signature virus. Copy me into your .signature to join in!

21 years, 7 months

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Best keyboards you've used ever!

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Mark Wickens <m.wickens(a)rhodium-consulting.com> wrote: > List the best keyboards you have ever used. Right now the keyboard I insist on using is LK201, but that's only because I'm a nut about DEC VTxxx terminals and don't want to use a keyboard whose set of function keys does not directly correspond to the set of VTxxx transmitted escape sequences. I like LK201 better than LK401 because I have no use for the latter's "Alt function" keys, because I don't like how they shrunk from 4 to 2 LEDs, and because LK201 is more sturdy while LK401 is more flimsy. The really interesting keyboard I've used (for Western readers) is the Soviet KOI keyboard. Unfortunately I never got to use the "real deal" (Soviet serial terminals), but I've used the KOI kbd on the BK0010, the Soviet home computer based on the 1801VM1 microprocessor, a Soviet PDP-11 clone, a single chip microprocessor roughly equivalent to an LSI-11. It was a home computer for which you were expected to write all software yourself from the ground up, by entering octal codes at octal addresses (assuming you wanted something other than BASIC or FOCAL that they had in ROM). I really miss that mentality (I still believe every hacker needs to write his own operating system as a rite of passage). Soviet KOI keyboards are really interesting. They are based on KOI, which is the Soviet reinterpretation of ASCII. In Latin mode KOI is identical to ASCII, but thought of differently, in that all characters from 100 octal up are considered Latin letters, so in the mind of a Soviet hacker, '@' is the 0th letter of the Latin alphabet, '[' is the next Latin letter after Z, and the last Latin letter is '_'. In Russian mode characters from 100 octal up are given alternative graphic renditions (Russian letters, not surprisingly). Note that it's the *graphic rendition* of the character that changes, not the character itself; the coded form is the primal form: a compiler will recognise a keyword equally well regardless of whether the tty displays it with the Latin rendition or the Russian rendition. The KOI keyboard was designed around this mentality, i.e., the upper/lower case switch acted on all keys that we considered letters. '{' is the lowercase '['. The layout was different. When we got the first PeeCees I at first couldn't stand their kbd because of the top row layout: how ridiculous it is that '^' (a letter) is on top of '6' (a digit). That drove me nuts. The KOI keyboards were much more rational in that the key layout directly corresponded to the ASCII/KOI chart. The top row keys were in their ASCII/KOI order. The encoding logic was a breeze since with this layout all modifier keys (Ctrl, Shift, upper/lower case switch and the RUS/LAT switch) only had to twiddle bits. MS

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Best keyboards you've used ever!

by mtapley＠swri.edu

At 10:23 -0500 8/27/04, Mark Tapley wrote: >From: "John Allain" <allain(a)panix.com> >Subject: Re: Best keyboards you've used ever! > >the Workhorse > IBM model M with ps/2 connectivity > >the Beauty > Apple MacIntosh ADB #1, where the keyboard > is hardly bigger than the keycaps. > >..... > >honorable mention > DEC lk201. It needs the custom edit/edt/tpu editor and custom DEC > terminal stand, etc. But great in that environment. > >John A. What he said. Exactly. Favorite keyboard I've never had the privilege to use: I have a picture on my wall. PS-2 connector, goes to a small keyboard unit. Unit says "Microsoft" on upper left corner and "intel inside" on upper right. The only three keys on it bear the legends: <Ctrl> <Alt> <Delete> :-) Worst keyboard is anything with the little eraserhead pointing device in the middle. Distracts from typing, useless for pointing. -- - Mark 210-522-6025, page 888-733-0967

21 years, 7 months

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6809 Forth (was: Sharp PC124x/5x/6x)

by dave04a＠dunfield.com

>You would get the 2 versions that I already have :-). I'd like to see the >6809 fig forth (I assume it existed, and used the 2 hardware stack >pointers, etc). It's not fig, but if you are interested, you can take a look a my tiny little FORTH implementation for the 6809 - Docs are a bit sparse, sorry - it was done on a weekend in response to a collegue who had been boasting that he had created a version of FORTH for the 09 that was faster than any other - I truly enjoyed the look on his face the next monday morning when his test program ran significantly faster on mine... Of course I cheated - my FORTH compiled to directly executable code, which eliminated the interpreter and chaining through threaded links - this has a bit of overhead (3 byte JSR instruction instead of 2-byte link address), however it is offset by the fact that I reduced the header to just the word name (no difference between word types - everything is "native"), which saved me 16 bytes (IIRC) over the wordsize in his dictionary. Yes, it uses both hardware stacks. If you are interested in playing with it, it's available on my museum web site, in the section on my D6809 homebuilt. The source code is included, and if you want to try it out, you can run the D6809 emulator, mount the included disk IMAGE, boot up my CUBIX OS and type FORTH - this will launch a ready to run version of my itty bitty FORTH (about a 2.5k executable as I recall). Regards, Dave -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Vintage computing equipment collector. http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html

21 years, 7 months

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Best keyboards you've used ever!

by witchy＠binarydinosaurs.co.uk

> -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of David Vohs > Sent: 26 August 2004 18:02 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: Best keyboards you've used ever! > > 2. The Original Macintosh keyboard. > 3. The Tandy 100/102/200 keyboards. Yes, I'd forgotten about those. The 100 one is excellent, and therefore by association so is the NEC equivalent. > Funny that a company that can't make a decent operating system to save > their, uhhh, assets can make such a comfortable keyboard! Go figure! I suspect they had as much input in the design of that as I did :) Cheers w

21 years, 7 months

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HP LA Inverse Assemblers for classic microprocessors

by RupertKirkham＠compuserve.com

Dear Jim, I followed this thread and tried the "FTP" addresses that were given regarding downloading the Inverse Assembler Development Package. Sadly without success as the directory structure has been changed. Therefore is there any chance of obtaining the software from another source. Funnily enough I have the reference manual as this is downloads from a couple of web sites. I am currently building a 68008 based system and I would like to have an inverse assembler for the HP1650A that I will be hooking up to it. Regards, Rupert.

21 years, 7 months

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Parts needed

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Looking for the following to repair a H-8. IC-2008 calculator keypad or ET-3400 non "A" version keypad

21 years, 7 months

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that OT: Tredennick, u-370, 68000, 5100... thread

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Sellam wrote >I suppose you're also going to tell me there's a South Carolina! HA! Having geographic knowledge is a dying interest. When there were still phone operators calling my relatives in New Mexico occasionally was a problem because the phone operators think it's an international call. However my patents live in Waverly which is near Dover, Lexington, Napoleon, and Wellington. Most of these towns are less than several hundred. I'm sure in the 1800's we borrowed the names from some foreign country. Mike

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Eclipse

by aek＠spies.com

Sadly, I can't front the shipment of this machine to my country. I hope someone could give it the proper use. -- MV9000 being sold by oregon state suplus property disposal http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5717559338

21 years, 7 months

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OT: Dream keyboard

by witchy＠binarydinosaurs.co.uk

> -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Patrick/VCM SysOp > Sent: 26 August 2004 19:43 > To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' > Subject: RE: OT: Dream keyboard > > Hmmmm, daydreaming... The Microsoft version, the "Natural Beverage > Keyboard USB/IBA". You have to buy a client license for each glass > you use. The keyboard oozes turpentine when you press the "Jack" key > while in Outlook, until you install hotfix K987666. ;-) Heh, I'd like a keyboard with all of these: An ANY key Separate F1 for when the keyboard is missing. An 'I know what I'm doing' key A 'just fucking do it!' key And a cluster of ctrl-alt-del keys to make 3-fingered salutes easier to do :) Cheers w

21 years, 7 months

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floptical drives

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Hmm, my first ever floptical drive just landed on the doorstep amongst a pile of hardware. Never seen one before now, and it seems there's very little info on the web about the technology. I assume that although it'll (probably) read/write normal 3.5" floppy disks, it needs special media to reach the 21MB that I keep on seeing quoted in various places? (i.e. it can't reach that figure combining the optical tracking technology that it uses with standard magnetic media) (the drive's an Insite I 325VM, likely culled from an SGI I think) cheers Jules

21 years, 7 months

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DECpc 320P

by woyciesjes＠sbcglobal.net

Anybody have any interest in one of these little buggers? It's in New Haven, CT, 06520. Make me an offer. -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- ICQ# 905818

21 years, 7 months

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Cleaning up yellowed/grubby plastic?

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 07:12 AM 8/27/2004, David V. Corbin wrote: >Go to a decent Harvest Festival [there are many on the East coast US]! >While peanut butter is much more common at the southern ones, it can be >found further north. A completely different taste, but as pointed out, it >seperates almost immediately and does not "look good". Here in Wisconsin, I've never had trouble finding "real" only-salt-added peanut butter in jars on the shelf. I can't imagine any part of the US that wouldn't have it in an ordinary grocery store, and certainly health-food stores carry varieties as well as many that have their own grinders. - John

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FW: WORST keyboards ever (was Re: Best keyboards you've used ever!)

by witchy＠binarydinosaurs.co.uk

> -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Vintage Computer > Festival > Sent: 26 August 2004 17:32 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: WORST keyboards ever (was Re: Best keyboards you've used > ever!) > > > How about the absolutely WORST keyboards? > > 1) Sinclair ZX series > 2) Coco 1 > 3) Coco 2 > 4) Aquarius (my first) > 5) Original PET Sharp MZ80K Memotech MTX (this pains me but they weren't the best) Any lightweight/cheap membrane job (see current peecee manufacturers) Kinnell, I can't think of any more right now, and that can't be right :) Cheers w

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Best keyboards you've used ever!

by witchy＠binarydinosaurs.co.uk

> List the best keyboards you have ever used. You might like the feel, > number of function keys, layout (let's not forget Dvorak or more > esoteric designs) or pure keyboard<->computer love (you might really > get off on Vaxen). Original IBM peecee - nice and clacky Apple Lisa, same reason and therefore ditto early Macs Later model RM 380Z (black one) ACT Sirius 1/Victor 9000 Acorn ACW VT1xx (wish I could peecee-ify it!) DEC LK201 (lack of ESC worrieth me not, I'm an EDT-head :) Atari Mega ST keyboards CPT 8520 (currently dead) Mac Design II keyboards (early fat ones) Apple ][GS NeXTstation (another one I want to peecee-ify) My current peecee keyboard (compaq heavy edition from a few years ago) Apple ][ and ][e There's probably more but you get the idea :) Cheers w

21 years, 7 months

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Toshiba 3200 questions (wireless?)

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Finally really digging into my toshiba 3200 and have a few questions maybe others know: 1) Even after adjusting the contrast & brightness knobs on the side, I can't get a black background. The background is decidedly orange-ish still. It's been over 20 years since I used a plasma screen. Is this normal, or is my screen possibly challenged? 2) I want this thing to work on my home wireless network. I'm assuming there are no ISA wireless cards, especially with DOS drivers. So I was thinking Xircom pocket ethernet adapter and a wireless bridge. Anyone have any better ideas? Thanks for any advice! Jay West

21 years, 7 months

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Cleaning up yellowed/grubby plastic?

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Fred Cisin" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> > >On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Mark Wickens wrote: >> WD40 WD40 WD40 WD40 WD40 WD40 WD40 WD40 WD40 WD40 WD40 WD40 WD40 WD40 WD40 >> WD40 WD40 WD40 WD40 WD40 WD40 WD40 WD40 WD40 WD40 WD40 WD40 WD40 WD40 WD40 >> WD40 WD40 WD40 WD40 WD40 WD40 WD40 WD40 WD40 WD40 WD40 WD40 WD40 WD40 WD40 >> Need I say more? > >REAL mechanics may or may not know anything about any of the >other characteristics of lubricants, but they do, at least, >know that there that there are many different viscousities >of lubricants, and that you need to use one of appropriate >"thickness". > >It's a drag to repair damage done by amateurs, putting >WD40 on things that actually needed a heavy grease. > Hi Fred My grip is finding a screw that was obviously intended for a #2 Philps but someone has buggerred it up with a #1. Not only that, the #1 driver they used is also buggered up because they have been incorrectly using it as well. Most Philps screws are actually #2 and not #1. Make sure you have a #2 in your tool box. If you have a good screw driver and you place it in a screw, and the driver feels loose, it means you are using the wrong size driver! Don't judge this by the amount of blade that isn't in the screw. The screw driver will be snug in the screw when right. Much of the blade may not be in the screw. Dwight

21 years, 7 months

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What fun from a Macintosh SE

by ejchapel＠comcast.net

The long Torx screwdriver needed for Macs is available at Sears for about $10. They have the PC version for about $6, but of course the Mac version works better.

21 years, 7 months

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$2 Sale, or $1 if it needs to be.

by aw288＠osfn.org

OK, time to clear out more junk. Each of the following is $2.00/each, plus shipping from 10512: 1) Colecovision steering wheel Expansion Module, with extra joystick. 2) Some sort of 68000 based Western Electric AT&T modem board for a PeeCee - it actually looks like pretty much a standalone 68K based thing, with some WE chips and three connections to the outside world. 56K CSU? 3) PeeCee card with four serial ports and three bidirectional parallel ports, with cables. Unknown maker. For the I/O junkie. 4) AT&T KDB301 keyboard, I think for that Unix PC thing. It has a DE9 connector. 5) Miniscribe model 8425 hard disk on a PeeCee card (Hardcard lookalike). 6) AT&T American Bell (a Baby Bell I never heard of) model EASI-1B synchronous to asynchronous RS-232 convertor. A true black box of magic. 7) Pre-Borland copy of Brief v1.33 editor, with original disk. 8) Intel PLDshell PLD design software, still sealed. I think this only does Intel chips, so don't get too excited. 9) Book, using the Horizon Spreadsheet with the Unix Operating System, by D. H. Beil. A fairly disgusting early 80s spreadsheet. Stuff is untested (including the book), but generally in decent shape. I take cash, checks, MOs, Paypal (but NOT to this email account! Please ask!), coins, favors, and begging. I might add a little on to shipping for my time ("handling"). First come, first served, but I can change the rules if I either like or dislike you. William Donzelli aw288(a)osfn.org

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Burroughs Part Numbers

by aek＠spies.com

> Can anyone out there tell me what Burroughs part numbers look like www.bitsavers.org/pdf/burroughs/icData

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What fun from a Macintosh SE

by cb＠mythtech.net

>My first 'PC Clone' was made with one of those old 63.5 watt IBM >supplies. In a totally non-matched Leading Edge Model D case. To fit >the supply in such a case, the supply circuit board had to be completely >removed from the steel case and just bolted inside the Model D case. I converted a bunch of IBM ATs into AMD K6-2 machines. And all still run happily today, whereas others built at the same time made with newer AT power supplies, all have died, and almost without exception, it has been either the power supply itself, or something damaged from the power supply. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Re; Mac SE boot disks

by davidewardjr＠yahoo.com

Hello List, Thank you to all who have replied privately and/or on the list. A fellow listmember is sending a set to help me revive this Mac SE. Sincerely, David Ward --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage!

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Cleaning up yellowed/grubby plastic?

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Fred Cisin" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> > >Have you tried JIF with naval jelly? > Hi Is that in place of strawberry jam? Dwight

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Best keyboards you've used ever!

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Ed Kelleher <Pres(a)macro-inc.com> wrote: > Worst keyboard: DEC LK201 on VT220 terminals - no <ESC> key, misplaced > angle bracket <> keys (both on same key), Yeah, that's the only big disadvantage it has. Everything else is great, but here they just screwed up. On VT320, though, there is a setup option to turn the '`~' key into ESC (putting ESC where it belongs to the left of 1), move '`~' down to where the screwy '<>' key is, and put '<>' where they belong on top of ',.'. Needless to say, that's the mode I use. Of course what I would really love would be a Classic keyboard with the original Classic ASCII layout, i.e., ESC immediately to the left of '1', Ctrl immediately to the left of 'A', separate CR and LF keys, separate BS and DEL keys, and all of the previous 4 plus BREAK being in the area where you find Enter and Backspace today. Having the top row keys in ASCII order would be nice too, as would having the kbd send ready ASCII down its wire instead of funky scan codes. MS

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Best keyboards you've used ever!

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Vintage Computer Festival" <vcf(a)siconic.com> > >On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, David Vohs wrote: > >> Funny that a company that can't make a decent operating system to save >> their, uhhh, assets can make such a comfortable keyboard! Go figure! > >It's the least they could do to help you get through the horrible >experience of using their software. Hi Just remember, a picture is worth a thousand words. So what if they are all the wrong words? Learn to work with it. Dwight

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FS/FT: SAGE junk

by aw288＠osfn.org

I recently obtained a number of modules from a SAGE AN/FSQ-7 (or-8) computer, and seeing that I will never even come close to thinking about having the whole thing, I could probably part with one or two. These are the real deal - complete with the original IBM numbered tubes. I don't know what the modules do. I'll trade one (or more) for something interesting (I think most people know what I like), or maybe sell one or two for a good pile of cash. William Donzelli aw288(a)osfn.org

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Burroughs Part Numbers

by aw288＠osfn.org

Can anyone out there tell me what Burroughs part numbers look like - specifically the house numbers they used for TTL and such? I have a bunch of chips with 1471-**** numbers that I strongly suspect are Burroughs ECD types, but I would like to confirm before I decide if they go to the refinery. Pickier question: Did the Burroughs mainframe people use the same house numbering scheme as the ECD people? William Donzelli aw288(a)osfn.org

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Looking for DOS command-line e-mail client

by vcf＠siconic.com

Does anyone know of a free or cheap DOS (i.e. not requiring Win32) command-line e-mail client? I'd like something that I can use to send off short messages with just the command line from DOS with TCP/IP drivers already installed (via MSNC). I Googled but only found programs for Win32. Thanks! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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Burroughs Part Numbers

by unibus＠gmail.com

Where I worked in the early 80s had a reference printout that gave the conversion between Burroughs part numbers and the industry standard parts. Thought some of that series were Farchild microCTL chips used in systems like the B6700. Sorry, don't have access to the printout as it would have been dumped years ago. Regards, Garry

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Security Bits (was: Re: What fun from a Macintosh SE)

by Arno_1983＠gmx.de

Tony Duell wrote: > > ...The one that's hard to get is > the System Zero. This looks like an inverse torx (The screw head is > male, with slots round the outside, the driver is female), but it's > designed so that nothing but the right tool will get it out (the sides > of the screwhead taper slightly so that you can't grab it with pliers or > a Mole Wrench (self-locking wrench), for example). > > Yes, I have a set of those tools -- one of my EPROM programmer [1] is > assembled with them, for what reason %deity only knows. > > [1] A thing called a Ferret. It's a combined EPROM programmer, breakout > box, RS232 / current loop / centronics converter, Z80 computer, strip > printer, etc in a portable case. Nintendo also uses them on their Super NES / Famicom Deck housing and game cartridges (not sure about the original NES/Famicom). They managed to pretty much defeat their purpose by placing them in "wells" in the plastic so you can wedge a pair of correctly sized tweezers between the well wall and the screw head and apply enough traction to get them out. Been there, done that (to investigate how to replace coin cell for save-game feature). -- Arno Kletzander Stud. Hilfskraft Informatik Sammlung Erlangen www.iser.uni-erlangen.de NEU: Bis zu 10 GB Speicher für e-mails & Dateien! 1 GB bereits bei GMX FreeMail http://www.gmx.net/de/go/mail

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dos electronics software?

by GOOI＠oce.nl

Great! Thanks, Ben. Had not found this one. "coco" is a good term to include in the search :-) Will continue looking, but if no cheaper source turns up, I think I will spend the $31 out of curiousity to see the actual performance it claims. The page says that the 63C09 runs cooler than the 6809. I can confirm that the 68B09 at 1 MHz is warm, but I heard from Vince that the 6809 at 1 MHz gets quite warm! tnx, - Henk. > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of ben franchuk > Sent: donderdag 26 augustus 2004 8:01 > To: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: dos electronics software? > > > Gooijen H wrote: > > Hmm, I tried to post this yesterday ... probably something > went wrong.. > > I am looking for a 63C09E or 63B09E. Anybody knows where I > can buy it?? > > I found a source in Australia, but that is the 63B09. The > suffix "E" > > is important, it is the *external* clock version, as used > in the Core > > Board of the Blinkenlight project (40 pin DIL case). > > I have a PDP-8/e simulation running on th Core board, but could use > > a performance increase. Upgrading to the Motorola "B" parts > will allow > > to double the clock frequency, but the Hitachi 63B09 is even faster, > > as it does many 6809 instructions in less cycles. > > Interested in the sim? Check my 'Homebrew PDP-11' page, > the link there > > is "spin off" ... > > You really don't want to know the price! > you better Sit down. > > > Sit > ... > > > sit > > > ... > > sit > > > ... > Now beg for the doggy snack. > Oh Sorry. :-) Here is the link. > http://www.cloud9tech.com/index.html > The price is about $32 US each. > > > - Henk, > > PS. If you ever get a good single board 63C09 computer design > thats runs OS/9 level two let me know. I have always wanted a > real computer and the COCO never quite made it. > >

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dos electronics software?

by GOOI＠oce.nl

Hmm, I tried to post this yesterday ... probably something went wrong.. I am looking for a 63C09E or 63B09E. Anybody knows where I can buy it?? I found a source in Australia, but that is the 63B09. The suffix "E" is important, it is the *external* clock version, as used in the Core Board of the Blinkenlight project (40 pin DIL case). I have a PDP-8/e simulation running on th Core board, but could use a performance increase. Upgrading to the Motorola "B" parts will allow to double the clock frequency, but the Hitachi 63B09 is even faster, as it does many 6809 instructions in less cycles. Interested in the sim? Check my 'Homebrew PDP-11' page, the link there is "spin off" ... - Henk, www.pdp-11.nl > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of ben franchuk > Sent: donderdag 26 augustus 2004 5:21 > To: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: dos electronics software? > > > Ethan Dicks wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 25, 2004 at 03:17:34PM -0400, Roger Merchberger wrote: > > > >>Also, if you're looking for something "more updated" > there's always the > >>Hitachi 63C09 - it's 4 Mhz, and has more registers, a > 16-bit integer > >>multiply (with a 32-bit result) and clock for clock is > faster than the 6809. > > > > > > Is it pin-compatible with the 6809? > > > > -ethan > > > > Off hand I think it is pin compatable since it was a 6809 > replacement part. > The gota is the hardware designers upgraded the core > instruction set to > switch instruction sets from the 'Motorola 6809' to the > 'Enhanced 6809' mode > with a mode changing instuction.Since they had a license to sell only > 6809 parts > this information was never documented other than hardware > hackers on the > internet. > More information can be found here. > http://www.concentric.net/~Alxevans/index.html > >

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Kim-1 on ebay!

by us21090＠yahoo.com

All, What do you know, there's a KIM-1 on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5118314680 Not a whole lotta description, though. Right now the price is $102.50. The auction ends on 8/30. I don't know the seller in any way, I was just looking around. ===== Free Mini or 20GB Ipod! Wired.com, CNN and others say its legit! Visit http://tinyurl.com/3tsvt __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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