- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by lbickley＠bickleywest.com

Over the weekend I ran accross (5) HP 13356A Disk Cartridges that look to be in excellent condition. The 13356A's are typcially used in HP 3000 Series II/III and are 7 platter/120MB. They are also marked 2613A. I collect DEC, SGI, etc., but not HP, so I didn't pick them up. If you'd like me to attempt to acquire them for you, please contact me off list. I have no business relationship (other than as a customer) with the firm that has the cartridges. Lyle -- Lyle Bickley Bickley Consulting West Inc. http://bickleywest.com "Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"

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Maynard Maynstream 1300 DAT / Archive Python 25588-005

by aek＠spies.com

tar and gzip then? :) -- No smiley necessary. I have tarballs I wrote in the late 70s that are still completely usable. I don't use compression on any archive I care about. If you get a bad block, everything after it is unrecoverable if it has been compressed. Tar also has the advantage that the file information is distributed across the archive, and can be resynchronized at block boundaries.

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I finally got something on topic outside Token Ring! hehe...

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Hi, John, *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 15-Nov-04 at 19:25 John Boffemmyer IV wrote: >it is an IBM PS/2 Model 70, found it is lacking the SCSI card he thought >was in there (he had 2 and the other one went to a relative). Looking for >a compatible SCSI card with standard 50 pin header for MCA as I don't >possess the funky ribbon for the non-standard edge-connector type that IBM sold. I may have a line on the MCA SCSI adapter AND the edge-connectored cable. RE-PC may be able to help with both. Failing that, you would want an Adaptec AHA-1640. >That being said, since it is a model 70, anyone know where I could find >the config disk for it? I believe I have that one in my archives. How big a file attachment can you accept? Keep the peace(es). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech do/t c=o=m "If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped with surreal ports?"

21 years, 4 months

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Maynard Maynstream 1300 DAT / Archive Python 25588-005

by aek＠spies.com

This should be a reminder to people to watch for old copies of backup software, and the trash bits of failed companies to try to document on-tape file formats. I gave up using anything but documented tape formats for my backups exactly because I was unable to get documentation for the backup file format used by Retrospect.

21 years, 4 months

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KM11 maintenance module

by bqt＠Update.UU.SE

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 "Charles H. Dickman" <chd_1(a)nktelco.net> wrote: > Is there a schematic online for the DEC PDP-11 maintenance tool KM11? > Googling, the best I found was a description by Tony Duell for a > homebrew replacement. Excellent as that is, a schematic is just so much > easier to read. See if you can find the cpu manuals for an 11/70. There are some documentation on the KM11 in those, I seem to remember. Johnny Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt(a)update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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I finally got something on topic outside Token Ring! hehe...

by mikeford＠socal.rr.com

At 07:25 PM 11/15/04 -0500, John Boffemmyer IV wrote: >it is an IBM PS/2 Model 70, found it is lacking the SCSI card Check out the MCA Mafia, its a whole bunch of sites that together have MCA totally nailed down. http://www.mcamafia.de/mcapage0/mcamafia.htm

21 years, 4 months

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Minolta PCW-1 and PCW-2 machines

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Just been offered a Minolta PCW-1 and PCW-2 - anyone know if they're typewriters or computers? :-) Google seems somewhat confused either way. The chap who has them calls them desktop computers, but a) I didn't know that Minolta ever made 'real' machines, and b) Google turns up a lot of hits about typewriter ribbons in relation to the PCW-2... ta J. -- I'm sorry for all the times I intentionally ducked underneath the sneeze guard at a salad bar and sneezed on everything until I couldn't sneeze any more. I have a problem.

21 years, 4 months

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Maynard Maynstream 1300 DAT / Archive Python 25588-005

by gary.katz＠csun.edu

Greetings! I have an old (ca 1992) SCSI-1 Maynard Maynstream DAT drive that uses DDS1 DAT carts without software. The drive is up and running in a Pentium 200MMX machine but we no longer have the TMENU MSDOS software that was used to write files to tape back then. Of course, we now need to get some of the data off of the drives. I've followed Archive via the web from Archive to Conner to Seagate to a "final destination" at a company called Certron. Needless to say, the tech support people at Certron have no idea where to find the software. By any chance, have any classic-comp'ers used this drive under DOS? Any other ideas where I may find the software? Thanks! -gk ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary S. Katz, Ph.D. 326 Sierra Tower Assistant Professor (818) 677-2964 office Dept. of Psychology (818) 677-2827 dept California State University - Northridge (818) 677-2829 fax 18111 Nordhoff Street Northridge, CA 91330 http://www.csun.edu/~gk45683 -------------------------------------------------------------------------

21 years, 4 months

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Sun Type 5 keyboard f*-up

by toresbe＠ifi.uio.no

Allright, I just fucked up severely. I tipped a scented candle over my two keyboards. One of them is a Tandberg PS/2 keyboard, hooked up to my Indy, which I without worry took downstairs and scrubbed thoroughly with a dishwashing detergent. However, the other keyboard is a Sun Microsystems Type 5. How rugged is this KB? Will it take water, and relatively hot water too? I will of course separate the keyboard layer from the logic layer if they turn out to be separate Does anyone know, or am I walking on undiscovered land? I'll report back if I try (I have two spares, thank God... This and the Tandberg are my two favorite KBs.) -- Tore S Bekkedal <toresbe(a)ifi.uio.no>

21 years, 4 months

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VAX 6600 UK Wales

by a.carlini＠ntlworld.com

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1484&item=57313 27055&rd=1 This looks like a VAX 6000-610 in Wales (UK). No bids so far. There's a VAX 4000 of some sort available too. Surely worth the trip in a Luton van for someone with a bit of storage (or a decent basement)? Usual disclaimer applies: it's not me and it's noone I know (AFAIK!) Antonio -- --------------- Antonio Carlini arcarlini(a)iee.org

21 years, 4 months

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HP 1000 opcodes?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Anybody know where I can find a list of the opcodes for the HP 1000s (21MX series)? They're not on Al's site. Joe

21 years, 4 months

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Moore mycroterm

by kenziem＠sympatico.ca

Does anyone know anything about a Moore mycroterm? Moore was taken over by Siemens, It is 2 beige boxes with handles, shorter and squatter than a Compaq luggable. I've been told that it has Motorla cpu. I haven't been able to get it past my wife yet to have a closer look. It came my way in exchange for a few 286's which are going back into service. -- Collector of vintage computers http://www.ncf.ca/~ba600 Machines to trade http://www.ncf.ca/~ba600/trade.html Open Source Weekend http://www.osw.ca

21 years, 4 months

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DEC colours

by mross666＠hotmail.com

Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 23:31:27 -0800 (PST) From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> Subject: Re: DEC colours To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >Actually Mike isn't the only one that would be interested in knowing the >Pantone colours for DEC HW. Though I'd also like to know the correct >colour >for "China Red" as used in later model PDP-10's. I have it on good authority that the 'Chinese Red' (aka orange!) was identical to the commonly-available car colour known as 'Toyota truck orange' - in fact a post mentioned that cans of the Toyota paint were used for touch-ups in final assembly at DEC, IIRC. That's why it wasn't on my list of colours! Though it would still be nice to have a Pantone number, I agree... Google alt.sys.pdp10 for 'truck orange'. Mike http://www.corestore.org

21 years, 4 months

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Brazenly OT: ThinkPad760XL local/v/remote screen

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 11/21/2004 5:17:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, allain(a)panix.com writes: OK, here's a an OT, I can't wait... I have a seven year old IBM 760XL Laptop somebody gave me for free with all the trimmings (with 2 different docking bays) that likes to switch over to the VGA port every time it boots completely up. The LCD panel is seen for the period right after power-on to the time the OS starts. I haven't seen LCD control in the BIOS start-up (powerswitch+F1) or in the Control Panel. I want to tell it to keep the LCD display on always. Perhaps someone has worked with this particular model? Reply to me directly, if you intuit that this is not a true list question. BTW this is mechanically a pretty interesting machine. You can lift up the keyboard and change out any of this: Batteries,spares, Floppy,CD,HD, and memory, all using no tools at all. Thanks, John A. ------------------------------ I have this laptop too and have never had this problem. You can switch using a function key, FN+F3 I think. What happens if you toggle through the LCD/external display options? 760XL is not a bad laptop because it does not have the crappy MWAVE stuff. Only problems are the keyboard keys get hard to push due to wear.

21 years, 4 months

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Can you beleive this S^&^!

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5138917267&ssPageNa…>. $800 with almost two days to go! And this is that INCOMPLETE and untested HP 1000!!!! Has everybody lost their minds? Joe

21 years, 4 months

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IBM System/34 available

by mross666＠hotmail.com

Folks, They keep coming... last week it was a System/38, this week a System/34. Two of them to be precise, in Ottawa, .ca. I'm down for one - but the recycler who is picking them up only wants to deal with both of them - he needs to recoup scrap value, plus pickup expenses. They're complete, working, with docs and disks. Any takers for the second machine? Someone local in NE USA / New England area would obviously help... Mike http://www.corestore.org

21 years, 4 months

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DEC LA100 on ebay

by williams.dan＠gmail.com

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=178&item=5140279859 Wish I had the space for it. It has no bids yet. Dan

21 years, 4 months

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New Find! VERY COOL!

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I picked up some INTERESTING manuals today! Instruction Mnaual for the Computer Control Company DDP-24 General Purpose Computer, 1964. AMS-C Computer System Manual (Copy #1!) "Supplements the Apollo Mission Simulator System Manual" and "reflects the addition to the AMS system of a DDP-224 Gerneral Purpose Computer", 1965. IBM - Logic Blocks Automated Logic Diagrams SLT, SLD, ASLT, MST, 1971. IBM - Service Manual "Selectric" Typewriter Models 7X1, 7X3, 7X5, 8X2, 8X5, 1972. Repair Operation Manual for the Jaguar Series 3 V.12 'E' type, 1971. Joe :-)

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Help in Locating Parts Needed

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Do to damage from shipping I need replacement parts for a IBM 548 Punch card Interpreter and a IBM 5211 Printer. Anyone know some sources for parts? Also would like to get three more cables to hook up the IBM 5251 terminals and a couple more plastic "magazines" used to hold the 8" floppies for reading (have 1). Thanks John

21 years, 4 months

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8 inch disk drives available in Vancouver Island, BC

by vcf＠siconic.com

See below. Reply-to: a7a10658(a)telus.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 19:19:38 -0800 From: Gerry <a7a10658(a)telus.net> Reply-To: ghickford(a)telus.net To: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> Subject: Re: 8 inch disk drives I live on Vancouver Island British Columbia small town of Port Alberni, if you know anyone that can use them and has someway to or someone coming this way they are quite welcome to the drives. Otherwise off to the dump they go. Thanks for your reply and I know it is a long way to ship such an item but they are here for the taking. CHEERS. Gerry On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:24:59 -0800 (PST), Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> wrote: > On Sun, 21 Nov 2004, Gerry Hickford wrote: > >> Have a Industrial Micro Systems Disk Drives in a approx. 24x24x12 inch >> case with 2 8in. drives in it I will donate if you are interested would >> be glad to get rid of them if they can be of interest to you. > > Hi Gerry. > > I'm not sure I can use them. But I'm sure I can find someone who can. > Where are you located? > -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

21 years, 4 months

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HP 110 assistance sought

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I just received a mint condition HP 110 plus computer from an ex HP employee. He didn't send me a manual or power cord, so I'm left with some questions I was hoping some folks could help. 1) I was thinking about hooking this up to my HP 1631D logic analyser. Connected to my logic analyser is a 9121 floppy drive and 2225 printer. The 9121 and 2225 are hooked up to the 1631D via HP-IB. My 1631 analyser has an HP-IB port (of course) and an HP-IL port as does the HP110 plus. So can I hook up the 110 plus to the 1631D via HP-IL, and have the laptop see the printer and floppy that are hooked up to the 1631 via HP-IB? In essence I'm asking if the 1631 will act as a hub between the two different types of connection since it has both. I know nothing about HP-IL. 2) Would anyone have a cable to accomplish the above? I have HP-IB cables but no HP-IL cables. 3) Um... uh... I have to admit I can't figure out how to turn on the 110 plus. It would appear to have no power switch at all. If my guess as to the power cable connection on the back is correct, it will require a non-standard power cable of some type. Anyone have a spare or know where I can get one? 4) It'd be nice to find a manual for the unit. Anyone have a spare, or know where a PDF copy is? I'd like to find a complete set of manuals for it and the apps built into the roms. Any help is most appreciated! Regards, Jay West

21 years, 4 months

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New Find! VERY COOL!

by brad＠heeltoe.com

"Joe R." wrote: > AMS-C Computer System Manual (Copy #1!) "Supplements the Apollo Mission Sim >ulator System Manual" and "reflects the addition to the AMS system of a DDP-22 >4 Gerneral Purpose Computer", 1965. I'm sure you know this, but Ron Burkey (http://www.ibiblio.org/apollo/) might be interested if this in any way touches on the AGC (which it may not, I realize). -brad

21 years, 4 months

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cctech archives down

by lists＠microvax.org

Hi, my friend Greg (Beermat) is on cctech and says he's not received any messages since Nov 12th, and that the cctech archives stop at the same time that his feed seems to have done. alex/melt

21 years, 4 months

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tracing out schematics

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

der Mouse <mouse(a)rodents.montreal.qc.ca> wrote: > As it left here it, like approximately all my mail, had < > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yeah, I see that message that them indeed, so I probably just overlooked them on the other one, probably because the mailing list filter moved the Content-Transfer-Encoding: to the end. MS

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tracing out schematics

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

der Mouse <mouse(a)rodents.montreal.qc.ca> wrote: > If we consider the lamp to nominally draw =BDA[%], that means we have ^^^ Tsk tsk tsk. You've posted an 8-bit character, and furthermore one of undefined meaning since there is no charset indication (no Content-Type: header at all in fact). Aren't you a proponent of ASCII mail like your signature says? ASCII is 7-bit. MS, who reads mail directly as it travels over SMTP without any decoding whatsoever, and is annoyed as hell by quoted-printable.

21 years, 4 months

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[Amps] FS: Transistors, diodes, IC's (fwd)

by jpl15＠panix.com

I've had several business deals with Marv - he's a stand-up guy, very pleasant and honest. I've taken the liberty to snip off the rather extensive list of RF and general-purpose devices, which are off-topic here. There might be some chips-of-interest to various of us on The List - contact him directly if so. Cheers John ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:37:06 -0800 From: Radio WC6W <wc6w(a)juno.com> To: amps(a)contesting.com **** Integrated Circuits **** Most, if not all of these are long discontinued, but may be just what someone needs for servicing a relic of the 20th century... Allegro (Sprague) ULN3859 IF chip $5 ea Altera -- $10 ea EP600DC EP900DC AMD 2964BPC $20 29C117 $50 29C516APC $50 AMI S2814 $15 CMDmicro CM1210 $5 CM1232 $5 Cypress CY7C901C $10 Delco NOS (Take all the Delco parts for $100) DM1 $7 ea DM4 $10 DM12 $20 DM14 $5 DM22 $20 DM25 $20 DM29 $10 DM37 $3 DM39 $10 DM43 $3 ea DM44 $4 DM45 $3 ea DM46 $4 DM50 $4 DM51 $4 DM68 $3 ea DM77 $5 DM79 $4 ea DM91 $5 ea DM103 $4 DM115 $5 DM118 $3 ea DM120 $5 ea DM127 $5 DM136 $7 ea DM166 $5 ea DM195 $5 DM201 $5 ea DM210 $5 DM235 $7 ea DM226 $10 DM270 $10 ea DS77 $3 ea (DM?)0879 $5 (DM?)0880 $4 (DM?)1202 $2 (DM?)2193 $10 21450 $5 23859/23-020 $3 ea 56728 $5 ea S005A3 $5 S014A4 $4 ea S812A1 $5 Fairchild 11C83DC 1 GHz ECL divide by 248/256 Prescaler NOS $20 ea 11C90DC 650 MHz ECL divide by 10 Prescaler NOS $20 ea Fujitsu MB3713 5.7 watt Audio Amp NOS $10 ea Hitachi HA1366WR 5.5 watt Audio Amp NOS $10 ea Hughes HNVM3708P 1Kx8 EEPROM $10 ITT -- $5 ea SAA1250 SAA1251 SAF1032P SAF1039 TEA1009 Lambda LAS 723B Voltage regulator, lead formed 10 pin TO-5 $3 ea Hybrid Regulators NOS -- $10 ea FBH-24-003 FBH-24-004 FBH-24-009 FBH-24-015 FBH-24-020 FBH-24-021 FBH-24-022 FBH-24-023 Linear Corp. -- Remote Control IC's $5 ea R7411-1 R7411-2A T7411-1 Micro Networks -- NOS in Ceramic packages; lots of Gold too! DAC87H 12 bit D/A $15 MN373 16bit Track & Hold $20 MN373H 16bit Track & Hold $20 MN376 12bit Track & Hold $15 MN379 Flash Track & Hold $15 MN565AJ 12 Bit D/A $25 MN574AL 12 Bit A/D $25 MN5101 8 Bit A/D $15 MN5131 8 Bit A/D $15 MN5143 8 Bit A/D $15 MN5211 8 Bit A/D $15 MN5240 12 Bit A/D $40 MN5245 12 Bit A/D $40 MN5290 16 Bit A/D $60 MN7120 8 Bit Data Acq. Sys. $60 MN7140 12 Bit Data Acq. Sys. $60 MN7150-16 12 Bit Data Acq. Sys. $100 Mitsubishi DN828P NOS $10 M51517L (Audio Amp?) NOS $10 ea MMI 74S409N $15 Motorola EF68000-10C $20 MC68000G8 $15 MC1438R (5) $25 ea MC1468R $25 Dual Conversion FM receivers NOS $3ea MC3359P MC3374FTB ECL NOS MC10102L $4 ea MC10104L $4 ea MC10131L $7 ea MC10138L $10 ea ECL pulls (from sockets, no solder) $2 ea MC10H124P MC10H174P RF amps NOS $10 ea SWA106H SWA127H Communications 51-84267A09 Whatever that is... NIB $3 National DP8409AN-3 $15 NS16032SD-4 $20 NS16032SD-6 $25 NS16081D $20 NS16201D-6 $10 MM53200N Remote Control IC $5 ea CRT Controller Chipset NOS $25 for all 5 DP8510CV DP8511CV DP8512CV DP8515CV DP8516CV NEC D751-4CW NOS $20 Nitron NC6400-0218 (An EEProm?) $5 Plessey NOS $5 ea ML924 ML926 ML927 MV500 SL301A SL301B SL486 SL1532C SL2521B SL2541B Plessey NOS $10 ea SL6600C SL6700C SP4632 SP4634 SP4642 SP5000 SP5010 SP5050 SP8634B SP8735B PLX Tech -- $10 ea PLX448-45 PLX464-45 Q-Bit QBH-110 Hybrid RF amps (15 dB, 5-500 MHz) NOS $15 ea. RCA CA3088E AM Receiver IC NOS $5 ea Regency House Numbered parts NOS $3 each 310-576-48 600-565 600-596 600 606-5 85420 -- These are Microchip ER1400's probably programmed with something Regency pulls -- a dozen chips total $10 all 600-603-16A 600-603-9B 600-680 600-565 301-576-3 Rockwell 6522 uP VIA Interface NOS $5 ea Siemens - $10 ea SLE5001 SLE5002 Silicon General SM625B - $10 ea Sylvania ECG1058 Audio Amp NOS $10 ea Telefunken U4062B FM Receiver IC NOS $5 ea Texas Instruments SN76477N Sound Generator $15 ea TMS32010JDL $15 Toshiba NOS TA7205 5.8 watt Audio Amp $10 ea TC9188N $10 ea TRW -- $150 ea 2310H7C MPY12AJ Unitrode PIC8015 $10ea PIC600 (13) used $5 ea Vanguard VN2018D $10 VN3018 $10 VN1025 $15 Waferscale 5901C $10 59016C $15 59016JSBS $15 **** SEMICONDUCTORS **** All of the above plus shipping, if necessary, naturally. Contact: Marv WC6W 310 649 3111 (reasonable hours Pacific Time please) or via wc6w(a)juno.com

21 years, 4 months

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Dealing with Mouse damage? (Not the computer kind)

by dave04a＠dunfield.com

[Wow - C.L.C. has an automatic spell checker on the subject line :-] >The conclusion is that, yes, you should always be careful, but Hantavirus >is not ubiquitous, and you shouldn't panic if you accidentally come in >contact with rodent poop. Yeah, thats pretty much what I have determined, although I will be excercising more caution when I find mouse "residue" from now on. This particular machine was in a garage in the middle of Toronto. From what I have read, the virus is carried by deer mice, which are less likely to be found in the city. Also there have been no reports of HPS in Toronto (closest is infected mice found in Northern Ontario which is quite some distance away). So I think the chances of a problem are minimal - nonetheless, since I'm scheduled for checkup this week anyway, I think it's serious enough that I'm going to mention my activities to my doc. For now, the machine is "double bagged" and not in the house - when I can work on it outside and with the right precautions, I will see what I can do with it. One question I have not found an answer to is "How long can the virus remain alive in a dormant state - outside of a host"? Most of the information I have seen suggests washing suspected areas with a 10% bleach solution, and to let it sit for at least 5 mins. Anyone know if this would be safe for a PCB? Assuming it was immediately rinsed afterward with distilled water and well dried? - Unfortunately there's a keyboard included in the PCB assembly... Regards, -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Vintage computing equipment collector. http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html

21 years, 4 months

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Daling with Mouse damage? (Not the computer kind)

by dave04a＠dunfield.com

At 17:09 20/11/2004 -0500, you wrote: > > > Right off the bat I'd be pretty careful of that, in terms of the various >(some pretty hideous) diseases that rodents carry with them - HantaVirus >comes immediately to mind. > > Me, I'da left the damn thing right where it was... yuk! Thats a good point... I had no idea it was so bad until I opened it up. Had I known, I might have left it as well. I hate to toss it, as it's pretty old, but you are right - I do have to consider the health risk. Other than gloves, mask and open-air venting, what precautions can be taken. Is it worth trying to rescue, or should I dump it asap. Interested in opinions. Regards, Dave -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Vintage computing equipment collector. http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html

21 years, 4 months

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DEC colours

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 11/15/04 11:03:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, allain(a)panix.com writes: BTW I have a 2nd hand Pantone guide right here, it reads out to "three parts Pantone light red and 1/8 part ..." yadda Well, that is how I mix the ink colors, by weight. Makes doing parts easy. All major ink manufacturers sell Pantone colors so you can mix whatever color you want. The only inks sold in RGB type colors are multiple color process inks and to blend them it is a process of screens and angles and you need to have multiple passes through the press. RGB does not lend itself to printing processes well. It is much cheaper to print just one color. John, since you have a Pantone book could you match the numbers to the DEC stuff you have? On each color swatch there should be a corresponding number. That is what is important not the formulation. You want to ignore the C and U letters as they refer to Coated and Uncoated, more printing terms. (refers to whether you are printing a clear gloss coat on top of the ink to get the glossy look or if printed on gloss stock.) Somewhere DEC published the Pantone numbers in their documents they sent to printers...... PS Printers are supposed to upgrade their $50 Pantone books every 6 months to deal with fading, not many I know did that. Paxton Astoria, OR

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Trendata Terminal/Computer?

by classiccmp＠vintage-computer.com

I've been contacted by someone interested in getting rid of a Trendata setup including a video terminal and a print terminal. I'm guessing that the latter, as a part of a large desk, also contains some sort of computer. I'm not sure about this, though. There are a few pictures at http://www.vintage-computer.com/trendata.shtml The system is located in Northern Ontario and is free for the collection. You may be able to convince the owner to ship it, at your expense, but it's going to be expensive (300 pounds worth of expensive.) I know almost nothing else, but I'll be happy to put you in touch with the owner if you are really interested. Erik Klein www.vintage-computer.com <http://www.vintage-computer.com/> www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum The Vintage Computer Forum

21 years, 4 months

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Can you beleive this S^&^!

by marvin＠rain.org

Did you notice that Vintage Computer Marketplace is ALSO mentioned in that ad? This is a terrific time to add more stuff to VCM!!! > > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5138917267&ssPageNa…>. > > $800 with almost two days to go! And this is that INCOMPLETE and untested HP 1000!!!! Has everybody lost their minds? > > Joe

21 years, 4 months

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M9301 ROM contents

by bert＠brothom.nl

Hi All, I'm trying to get my recently aquired PDP11/34A to boot. I already checked that the console port is correct and that the M7856 operates correctly. Since booting doesn't output anything on the console, I think I should check if the contents of the ROMs on the M9301 are correct. Does anyone have the contents of these ROMs available for me? Regards, Bert

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TZ30 question

by aek＠spies.com

> squeal continuously as long as they're attached to the SCSI bus The SCSI cable is backwards. I ran into this a few weeks ago. You should also think about cleaning the heads. The easiest, totally non-obvious way is pop the two C washers (with the power off obviously on the head stack, and pull the stack up to gain access to the head surface. Clean with "head cleaner" if you can still find a bottle, or 99% isopropyl -- TK50 media sucks.. I just had to read several hundred carts from the mid 80's and every one was sticky. The REALLY annoying thing about serpentine media is you get to spread accumulated gunk across the ends of the tape after each pass, and risk the motor stalling and leaving a big pile of gunk after each direction reversal.

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Sperry anyone?

by aek＠spies.com

The Sperry 7000, aka CCI 6/32, Harris HCX/7, Tahoe, was a nice machine -- It has some problems. UW Milwaukee bought a Sperry 7000 and there were microcode bugs that they couldn't get fixed which resulted in unacceptable numbers of kernel panics.

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Picture from 1954 Popular Mechanics Magazine

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Take a look at this <http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/Fw%20%5bVTOD-L%5d%20Fw%20Picture%20from%201.jpg> Joe

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Sperry anyone?

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Stephane Tsacas <stephane.tsacas(a)gmail.com> wrote: > The Sperry 7000, aka CCI 6/32, Harris HCX/7, Tahoe, was a nice > machine, AFAIR microcoded architecture, amd2901 based, and with a VAX > like (reduced) instruction set. Ah yes, the Tahoe of the 4.3BSD-Tahoe fame. It's a VAX knock-off deliberately modified to not run VAX binaries (particularly VMS), I guess so that DEC wouldn't sue them. They made it big-endian and reversed the nibbles in VAX opcodes, and made a few other random changes while they were at it. Its OS was, you've guessed it, 4.3BSD-Tahoe. It was the most short-lived architecture in the history of BSD UNIX, introduced after 4.3BSD and discontinued before 4.4BSD. Just out of curiousity, does there still exist at least one (1) Tahoe machine in the world that hasn't been melted down? I'm still carrying the Tahoe code in the 4.3BSD-Quasijarus source tree, completely unmaintained and bitrotten, and wondering if it will ever be touched by anyone in the time between now and the Big Crunch (opposite of Big Bang) in which the Universe will end. MS

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time machine...

by tomj＠wps.com

I'm in Assachusetts (Falmouth) visiting my ailing father, taking a break at the local cafe/bithole. How is it that we're related to our parents, anyways? Who are these people?!! I knew my brother Gregg had an old CP/M machine of mine, plus some other stuff, but I found out yesterday he has my ENTIRE CP/M HISTORY HARDWARE MANUALS DOCUMENTATION LISTINGS SOFTWARE SOURCE back to the middle 1970's, just sitting in his closet. Not even dusty! Every CP/M thing I've ever written, back to 1976, plus my Digital Research OEM 8" diskettes, manuals, sources to all the ROM debuggers, CPM BIOSes, things like details on making a 4FDC talk to Shugart 851's (plus my 801's and 851's) (solution: the data-separator add-on card for some Tandy Model x computer, a daughter board that fits under the 1771 chip) software I wrote for Alloy COmputing, about 50 S100 cards (all choice stuff; I worked for a bunch of system houses) plus !!linkable PDOS binaries, cp/m plink, plib, plus SID (the best debugger for cpm) PDOS docs, plus I not only didn't remember I did this, I anally documented everything and that's printed out, plus printed source listings (?) so even if every flop is bad I have records. UN-f'ing-believable. A few dozen brand-new 8" flops in those plastic flip boxes, all nice and loose in a warm house for 25 years. TVI terminal, my CMC Marketing S100 box (monstrous ferroresonant P.S.), a Comark dual flop box... 4-feet of manuals and docs OEM and hand-written. * TEI Inc was the name of the S100 box I was trying to recall for a year, not "Compupro". Nice boxes. * Comark is a company in Woburn MA I ported CP/M-80 for (to their Multibuss machine) then later -- bargain of bargains for them -- I did a full port of MSDOS 2.x or 3.x to their 8086 multibuss system, in exchange for one. THat machine was in the hands of Don Kulha, FidoNet #125 I think, recently deceased, Napa area, no idea what happened to it. Plus, this CP/M machine is the "original fido", that I named the BBS after, so named because it is a mongrel, eg. a dozen S100 cards, all different, including homemade EPROM card. The hardware and software documentation binder (!) has the name, EPROM monitor/boot ("bugger"). The Konan disk controller and the damned BASF-6172 8" hard drive (damn its miserable silicon soul to landfill). Oh yeah and I got a 32K Cromemco bytesaver card so I can read in (some few types of) old EPROMs for archival purposes. There are enough copies of bootable flops that I will clean the drives and simpyl boot it (after the usual old-hardware-bringup routine, though this thing was run 10 yrs ago allegedly). My TELINK program does XMODEM so I'll get a serial link up and transfer everything to my laptop. Plus I have some choice oldies, a very early (76?) copy of CBBS asm source, modem2.17, tdl/xitan FORTRAN4, Algol(!), somebody's pascal (forgot the acronym). Just going by floppy labels I can recall from yesterday. I'm taking one box of docs with me as checked baggage, the other stuff needs packing, which my brother has volunteered to do (my expense of course). Though I'm not very nostalgic (all my interest in old computing predates me) I have been bemoaning the fact I have utterly no recorded history of my work before 1994. I still have no examples of any my early 86DOS/MSDOS work, which was an interesting time, but maybe the 86DOS manuals are in the boxes, since I got most of this hardware when I worked at CSSN Inc (Boylston Ave, BOston) where I got the 86DOS manuals (and wrote an 86DOS BIOS with that one-pass 8086 absolute assembler of Tim Pattersen's). It's weird to come across so much stuff I have no recollection of. I remember a lot of it, but entire projects, and notebooks of writing, has my name on it and I recognize the style, but I don't recall it. It'll be some weeks before it's all shipped home, and while I swore I wouldn't do this before I had the other old thing up, this should be pretty easy to get up and running.

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'ICE' Apple /// cards

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

This Apple /// I picked up today has two boards in it: 1) Labelled "ICE KONAN ADAPTOR", with a ROM and 6116 RAM chip on it + a few 74xx logic chips. It's got a 26 pin header on board. 2) Labelled "ICE multiplexor host adapter". Has a 20 pin header on it, plus two (empty) 24 pin IC sockets (and a handful of LS logic). Any ideas what they are? The first *could* be a clone Profile controller I suppose - the owner swore that the Profile I got went with the Apple /// and not the Lisa. I get the impression he hadn't looked at either machine in years though so I suppose he could be wrong. The system itself has a large RAM expansion board in it, but otherwise looks to be stock. cheers Jules -- "We've had a lot of loonies around this place, but you're the first one who thought the sunrise was made out of stale beer. Now are you going to pick up your flute and leave, or shall I part your hair with this crowbar?"

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TZ30 question

by trash3＠splab.cas.neu.edu

Jumpers set wrong? terminator power? (probably shouldn't have any) Are they basically the tk50 replacement? 95 Mb tape? Joe Heck

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TZ30 question

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

I have 2 TZ30 drives that, instead of the short beep at power-up, squeal continuously as long as they're attached to the SCSI bus (RQZX1 TSCMP adapter). Attached to power but not on a SCSI chain, they beep like tey should. I honestly don't know if they work or not, because neither I nor my cats can stand the sound long enough to check. I do have one TZ30 that works correctly on the same mahine, so I'm relatively sure it isn't a controller problem. Does anybody have any idea what the deal is? Since the TZ30 is apparently the only tape device that's bootable on the RQZX1, I'd like to have at least 2 working units. Doc

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BBN and SMS pictures.

by aek＠spies.com

> The BBN CPUs are odd in that they don't plug into a socket This is a BBN Butterfly system. The processors interconnect through a "Butterfly Switch" I have to check with the Computer Museum, but this may be the only surviving system. It's a drag you weren't able to save at least one of the chassis. try googling "bbn butterfly switch" Butterfly Switch A parallel processing topology from BBN Advanced Computers Inc., Cambridge, MA, that mimics a crossbar and provides high-speed switching of data between nodes. It can also be used to create a hypercube topology.

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'ICE' Apple /// cards

by aek＠spies.com

Konan was a manufacturer of logic analyzers, and In Circuit Emulators.

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Stump the Historians at the Computer History Museum this Friday

by aek＠spies.com

> does anyone know what happened to the sigma computer I asked Lee Felsenstein, and it was scrapped. Some of the documentation and a few of the magtapes are at the Computer History Museum. I don't know if enough of the software survives to get it running in simulation. Even if it does exist, according to the histories I've read of the Community Memory Project, the mass storage interfaces were custom.

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BBN and SMS pictures. More

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Added more pictures. Here <http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/bbn/multibus/> are pictures of the Multibus cards that are used in the BBN. I don't think I mentioned it but the BBN has two card cages plus a place for the Switch card. As I mentioned earlier, the BBN card cage has no sockets and all the card connections are made through cables on the front edge of the cards. In addition to the BBN CPU card card, there's also a Multibus card cage for the IO controllers and such. These house an IKON DR-11W emulator card <http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/bbn/multibus/DR-11W.jpg> that's used to talk to the BBN CPU cards. A Burr-Brown 830-72 72 channel TTL I/O board <http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/bbn/multibus/Burr%20brown%20830-72.jpg>. A CMC or Excelan EXOS201 Intelligent Ethernet controller board <http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/bbn/multibus/CMC%20Ethernet.jpg>. A Data TRanslation DT5712E high performance A/D converter card <http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/bbn/multibus/Data%20Acq%20module.jpg> and a NCR HPSIO card with 8 RS-232 ports and 1 parallel printer port. Joe Here are some pictures of SOME of the stuff that I got last weekend. Besides a huge box of manuals that I've sent to Al, I found five BBN computers and I'm attempting to rescue enough of one to make a workable system for Tom Uban. Plus all the cards out of the other ones for him for spares. The BBN chassis is just too big to deal with but I got ALL the cables, the complete PSU (on the back panel!), the multibus card cage (and all the MB cards) and the switch card that lets all the CPUs talk to all the other CPUs. The BBN CPUs are odd in that they don't plug into a socket so the card cage isn't absolutely necessary. All the power and signals go through connectors on the front of the card. Warning: this is a SCRAP place and some of it isn't pretty! <http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/bbn/> Here's also some pictures of the internals out of one of the 7 1/2 (yes half!) SMS Multibus computers that I rescued. These are pictures of the card cage and cards from the 1/2 computer. The scrappers had already started on it but I managed to find the cards, hard drive, floppy drive, etc. <http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/sms1/> I'll post more pictures and details about these later. I also rescued three Masscomp Multibus systems but no pictures or anything for them yet. OOPS! I forgot, I also rescued four Intel 86/384 computers and a MN-26C radio compass on Saturday. More about those later too. Joe

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BBN and SMS pictures.

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Here are some pictures of SOME of the stuff that I got last weekend. Besides a huge box of manuals that I've sent to Al, I found five BBN computers and I'm attempting to rescue enough of one to make a workable system for Tom Uban. Plus all the cards out of the other ones for him for spares. The BBN chassis is just too big to deal with but I got ALL the cables, the complete PSU (on the back panel!), the multibus card cage (and all the MB cards) and the switch card that lets all the CPUs talk to all the other CPUs. The BBN CPUs are odd in that they don't plug into a socket so the card cage isn't absolutely necessary. All the power and signals go through connectors on the front of the card. Warning: this is a SCRAP place and some of it isn't pretty! <http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/bbn/> Here's also some pictures of the internals out of one of the 7 1/2 (yes half!) SMS Multibus computers that I rescued. These are pictures of the card cage and cards from the 1/2 computer. The scrappers had already started on it but I managed to find the cards, hard drive, floppy drive, etc. <http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/sms1/> I'll post more pictures and details about these later. I also rescued three Masscomp Multibus systems but no pictures or anything for them yet. OOPS! I forgot, I also rescued four Intel 86/384 computers and a MN-26C radio compass on Saturday. More about those later too. Joe

21 years, 4 months

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tracing out schematics

by melamy＠earthlink.net

yes, those mains light switches are complicated... -----Original Message----- From: der Mouse <mouse(a)rodents.montreal.qc.ca> Sent: Nov 18, 2004 10:14 PM To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: tracing out schematics > You will _never_ successfully trace a schematic you don't understnad. I think that's a bit of an overstatement. There have been devices that I understood not a lick until I sat and studied the traced-out schematic for some time. /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse(a)rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B

21 years, 4 months

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OT: OS/X - X11

by cb＠mythtech.net

>I attended a presentation at AppleNYC last night to oogle all >the neat hardware and hear about the Software but I failed to >ask this question: > Can you take an X11 application compiled for PPC/linux or > /freeBSD and run it on the Mac? > >Think they said that their OS was Posix compliant but apps >were'nt portable To other platforms. But From? > >I've seen a few X11 crashes in my day but I'll still give 'em >a chance. I would think there is a good chance. There is an X11 setup for OS X. You can download it from various places online, or it comes with OS X.3 (but I don't believe it is part of the default install, so you have to choose to install it). I know OpenOffice was ported to OS X for use with X11. I just don't know how much was involved beyond a recompile. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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dec stuff on e*ay

by trash3＠splab.cas.neu.edu

Just happened to look at what is current. a couple of infoservers and a couple of vax 4000 vlc systems. amazing what gets put up for bid. Joe Heck

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Cool finds: Apple, Be, Commodore

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Picked up some nice stuff just now: Apple Powerbook 170 Apple /// + Profile unit Apple Lisa BeBox + manuals + software Commodore PET 3032 Commodore PET 8096-SK Only just got back so I'm only just about to start poking around inside things :) What's more impressive is that it all works apparently, apart from the Lisa... I'm sure I'll have questions to follow as I pull cases off... cheers Jules

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Stump the Historians at the Computer History Museum this Friday

by vcf＠siconic.com

Here's a fun event. Have you got a computer history question that's been burning for an answer? Come ask it this Friday to a panel of computer historians at the Computer History Museum. FRIDAY, November 19, 2004 Stump The Historians Board members of the IEEE's Annals of the History of Computing share how they view the history of computation and what they see for the future. Come loaded with your questions and try to stump the historians! Panelists include: David A. Grier Editor in Chief, IEEE Annals of the History of Computing Associate Professor, Computer Science and International Affairs Center for Science and Technology Policy George Washington University Nathan Ensmenger Professor of History and Sociology of Science University of Pennsylvania Michael S. Mahoney Professor of History, Program in History of Science Department of History Princeton University Raul Rojas Professor of Artificial Intelligence University of Berlin Dag Spicer Senior Curator Computer History Museum 6:00 PM Member Reception 7:00 PM Lecture LOCATION Computer History Museum 1401 N. Shoreline Boulevard Mountain View, CA http://www.computerhistory.org/events/directions/museum_map.html REGISTRATION Free. Suggested donation of $10.00 at the door from non-members. RSVP is required. For more information on the event, please visit the Museum's Web site at: http://www.computerhistory.org/historians_11192004 -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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