- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

Troubleshooting an IBM 5155 - (portable personal computer)

by Innfogra＠aol.com

I, too, am interested in the question of how to lube and maintain the floppies. I need to go through a several 5 1/4 in full height floppy drives myself. And the first has IBM on the front also. Thanks for the help, Paxton Astoria, OR

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Minc-11 available in Minneapolis

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

If someone is interested in obtaining a minc-11 setup on its stand with a RX02, and including a VT105 terminal, this is available at the University of Minnesota, Minneapolis campus. -Larry LeMay lemay(a)cs.umn.edu

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Subject: apple's internet connectivity

by aek＠spies.com

For yucks, I did a google groups search for the earliest news posting I made from apple. My sig had: UUCP: {mtxinu,sun,nsc,voder}!apple!aek ARPA: aek(a)apple.apple.com This was mid-1988, so that was our uucp connectivity at the time. I also noticed that my previous posting about MacTCP and Gopher would have been incorrect, since Gopher servers didn't appear til '91 or so.

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Linux and growth of Internet

by classiccmp＠crash.com

Sellam Ismail wrote: > Well, if I'd made such a bold claim ("not possible") I would be > on shaky ground. Okay, I took your original post to mean something more than you had intended. Sorry. I'd be far more interested in getting people's recollections of that period on the record, so to speak, than being "right." It's a big world, other people would have seen/remembered different things out there... Hell, maybe I was stuck in a backwater and missed all the action, who knows? > But was not Linux another major driving influence behind FOSS? As I said, or meant, open source would have changed a lot more than the spread of the Internet in a Linux-less universe. So I don't really disagree with you here. And I think we could have a really long discussion of the rise of FOSS and Linux separately >from email and the Internet. At least that's my opinion, that even with a very different FOSS movement we still would have seen much the same spread of email and the 'Net. I am content to be viewed as an isolated crackpot if need be -- that was in fact a career goal of a friend of mine in college. ;^) >Steven M Jones wrote: >> One is the rise of CompuServe and AOL, which I'll leave for >> another discussion. >> > And which were closed, proprietary online services which > eventually transformed into Internet gateways only after the > Internet had "arrived" at the mainstream. Well, that would be the "other discussion." ;^) But while they were proprietary and so on, they were recognized and acceptable to a very large population. I don't say this to take anything away from the BBSes, which were still cruising along in this period; it would be interesting to see if anyone can dig up some contemporary statistics about users in the two categories. But the point was that since these services were popular, they did introduce a significant user segment to the online world including email, and they did allow email addressed to external users, all of which increased what we'd now call the network effect of Internet and email adoption. > Again, TCP/IP only came to Windows and the Mac because it became > necessary to offer this due to the rising popularity of Internet > access. Maybe yes, maybe no. This is also the era where "open systems" were being deployed on a large scale in the corporate world, and access to these systems via TCP/IP from the desktop was a key requirement. And that trend was independent of whether or not the corporation had external IP network connections, though by this period they were sprouting up all over the place too. In that world in New York and Boston if we had to use a PC, we made sure there was an IP stack and if at all possible X Windows on it. For the home users I was talking about earlier there were packages like Trumpet Winsock and Russ Nelson's Crynwr packet drivers. I seem to recall Mac fans taunting me about how easy MacTCP was to setup, but I'm not clear on the timing for that... All I mean to point out is that there were other strong factors behind TCP/IP coming to the Windows/Mac platform. And while the corporate users would pay, the realities of the academic budget ensured that something cheap/free would be available to meet the same needs. Anyways, I hope that at some point you get a chance to write up what you saw happening around that time with the small ISPs and Linux, and share it with us. That goes for the other list members too; I was hoping for a wider response, and especially views from outside the US. I've been focusing on the 1993-4 period because of the way it set the stage for growth once the Web caught on, but feel free to roll forward or backward too. Then again, maybe this is the wrong forum. I'll let the silence be my guide... --Steve.

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The Little Garden / TLGnet Inc.

by aek＠spies.com

Some how, I am missing the context of the "The Little Garden / TLGnet Inc." messages. What the heck is all this about -- "The Little Garden" was one of the earliest ISPs on the mid-peninsula. There were a few others, like meernet, who are still around. I have been told it was named for a the resturant by the same name. Tom could probably give more details. This was around the same time that spies.com moved from Apple to General Magic then later to what became WebTV. Spies was also the home of rotten.com. When what became ebay.com was just starting, he asked Andy to put the auction service on spies. Andy didn't want to, so he used a domain he had for the 'east bay'.

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Computer Museum of America closing -- article posted

by news＠computercollector.com

As promised... an article about the museum's status and future is now posted on my homepage, http://news.computercollector.com. The link is below the "About us" heading. ===== Tell your friends about the Computer Collector Newsletter! -- It's free and we'll never send spam or share your email address -- Publishing every Monday(-ish), ask about writing for us -- Mainframes to videogames, hardware and software, we cover it all -- W: http://news.computercollector.com E: news(a)computercollector.com -- 647 readers and counting!

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FW: [Fwd: Old Teletype Paper]

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 14 2005, 16:03, Tom Jennings wrote: > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005, Tom Jennings wrote: > > >> Your guys took good care of me last time...again, I'm in need > >> of yellow-ish, old teletype paper...prefer one box for our boss. > >> Any suggestions? Thanks for your time. > > > > www.wetnc.com > > OH CRAP, it's > > www.WESTNC.com You beat me to it. Trybus and wncsupply also sell 1" tape (now mainly for CNC machines but I think they mostly do mylar or laminated tape. BTW, you really want oiled tape for a teletype. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Heads Up - VAX 750, 785, 8550 etc. plus Kaypros IIs

by Innfogra＠aol.com

Plus two Kaypro IIs in lot 286. Quite the mix of stuff in the lot. It will be a fun auction. Can you give some feedback afterwards how things went for those of us that can't attend?

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FW: [Fwd: Old Teletype Paper]

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 14 2005, 15:09, Tom Jennings wrote: > On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, Dresner, Steve (NBC Universal) wrote: > > > Your guys took good care of me last time...again, I'm in need > > of yellow-ish, old teletype paper...prefer one box for our boss. > > Any suggestions? Thanks for your time. > > www.wetnc.com www.westnc.com ^ -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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FW: [Fwd: Old Teletype Paper]

by steve.dresner＠nbcuni.com

Erik: Your guys took good care of me last time...again, I'm in need of yellow-ish, old teletype paper...prefer one box for our boss. Any suggestions? Thanks for your time. Steve Dresner/Producer "The George Michael SportsMachine" WRC-TV Sports 4001 Nebraska Ave., N.W. Washington, DC 20016 202.885.4127

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ANSWER (dumping)

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Answer to "why did I get dumped" "what did I do wrong" "what gives" etc. etc. short answer: No one was actually unsubscribed. Ignore it. long answer: I'm spending a lot of time to get the new classiccmp server up. Actually, I put the new mirrored drives into a different machine... and I'm moving all services to that machine one at a time (theres more than just the list to move). Once I get everything moved and working, I will then just moved the mirrored drives and controller to the new (old) system. So while I was moving the subscriber lists I was subbing and unsubsubbing "en-masse", but not to the current list server (huey), but to the new (hidden) list server (dewey) that is not in production yet and not running the list. I specifically put a command line option on the unsub en-masse command that was supposed to prevent sub/unsub notices from going out (-a n -w n). Obviously there is a bug and it sends out the messages anyways. But if you look at the unsub message headers carefully, you'll see that they are from dewey, not huey, so no one was actually affected (the list is still on huey for now). Jay

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The Little Garden / TLGnet Inc.

by aek＠spies.com

> Remember 'the little garden'? Great little Chinese place on El Camino just before Arastradero. RIP

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Computer Museum of America closing?

by aek＠spies.com

> This would be the only extant copy of LGP-21 software in the > world. I would really like a copy (emphasis on copy). Any ideas? This seems very odd. Paul Pierce doesn't have any in the LGP User's Group collection? Either way, it would be a good thing to get the CMA paper tapes read and verified.

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the little garden / TLGnet Inc 3 and last

by tomj＠fiche.wps.com

>From admin(a)tlg.org Mon Jan 31 12:41:58 1994 Received: from relay1.UU.NET by fnord.tlg.org (8.3/wps.com-hackery) id MAA02194; Mon, 31 Jan 1994 12:41:41 -0800 Received: from cygnus.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwbgs08709; Mon, 31 Jan 94 15:42:49 -0500 Received: from fenchurch.MIT.EDU by cygnus.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17472; Mon, 31 Jan 94 12:42:42 PST Received: from localhost by fenchurch.MIT.EDU id PAA13164; Mon, 31 Jan 1994 15:40:49 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 94 15:40:47 EST From: "M. Strata Rose" <strata(a)fenchurch.MIT.EDU> Reply-To: strata(a)fenchurch.MIT.EDU To: private-garden(a)cygnus.com Cc: strata(a)fenchurch.MIT.EDU X-Tlg-Info: The Little Garden Network-- affordable Internet today! X-Tlg-Info: Finger info(a)tlg.org for info, speeds from 14400 to 56K & T1 X-Tlg-Info: San Francisco - Santa Cruz - Berkeley - San Jose areas Subject: meeting notes Message-Id: <CMM.0.90.0.760048847.strata@fenchurch> Status: OR I feel officially silly-- after typing in the meeting minutes a few days ago, I realized I hadn't actually *posted* them. Luckily I remembered this before calling Tom and asking what was wrong with the mailing list....anyway, here they are, I apologize for the delay. Tim, John, Tom, and others, feel free to correct or clarify my summations and/or paraphrasings of what you actually said, I was taking brief notes and trying to keep up with the flow of conversation and topic-jumping. This also makes them somewhat disjoint topically, but I felt that keeping the meeting flow in the transcript was more important than trying to group topics after the fact. Pull up the message with the posted agenda in another buffer and you can see what we were trying to stick to... Notes from TLG Meeting at 444 Market St. POP, 1/19/94 Tim Pozar, TomJ, & John G. suggest $800/mo as T1 colocation. Hubbub, folks start talking about IP redirect services. TomJ runs mini-service ("scamatron") for IP-redirect stuff via telnet. John Hargin [Harkins?] is TLG customer who is doing colocation, has own rate structure. Discussion as to saving space in crowded POP. Strata offers possible second POP location in Sunnyvale. Mark from WIRED mentions their expansion plans, have budgeted space for colocation facilities. Tim & co point out that physical site of 444 Market is very security conscious and that colocation would have access problems regardless of space, only very few people on access list now and they don't have time to babysit colocated machines. Various arguments on topic of "I want to colocate for reliability and won't use the full bandwidth, shouldn't I be able to pay less". Metering/analysis software need brought up by various. John mentions HNMS, Hierarchical Network Mgmt System, could do metering we need. Company is negotiating with Cygnus for support of HNMS, it will be released to public if they work out a contract. John will file FOIA to get it otherwise (assuming it looks interesting enough). WRT wider pipes and response from Toad POP folks, John offers to widen pipe to T1 to Toad for better latency if he can get Toad POP community to help with the $500/mo difference. Response from Toad folks present is enthusiastic, looks like it will happen. Given that, there is some amount of space w/TLG member physical access for colocation on T1 ether, talk to John for details as to how that's progressing and what the availability is. T1 colocation rate still applies, BTW. Offical thanks to KKSF (Tim Pozar's employers) for donating ~$3K of vital wiring & etc Stuff to the setup at 444 Market; they will have SLIP connection with fees waived for some considerable time approximating their donation to the cause. TLG info business cards passed out, Rich Morin donated his extra cardstock from his business printing and had his printer do up all his extra sheets with the card design. Contact him to get a handfull to give out to interested parties, still has sheets that haven't been cut to card-size yet. NNTP servers: newsfeeds are our primary traffic on TLG in the opinion of those who've been watching our traffic, lots of it going down skinny pipes. John Harkins has NNTP service for nominal fee to TLG members, much less than UUNET. Possible Cygnus donation of Sparc 1+ for NNTP server mentioned, John G. is upgrading hoptoad. Edward Elhauge is interested in setting up Garden-wide NNTP on a fee basis. General agreement that having an NNTP server on each POP would be desirable to keep traffic of leaf sites local to POP. Bill Custer agrees to organize 814 University NNTP server, Edward E. & Fen will organize Toad NNTP server. People in either of those POP communities should get in touch with those folks to see what they can do to help or donate in the way of time/materials-- they're organizing a volunteer effort, not committing to doing it singlehandedly. The 814 University POP is now moving to the TLG "pay your own POP" model; it has been subsidized for a while now. Basic arrangement similar to Toad's-- leased line is paid by TLG, 56K rate of $325/mo is paid by POP Responsible Party/Group, TLG gives them $10 kickback for each 14400 connection at POP. Dollar amounts paid by individuals at 814 will not differ by more than a few bucks per person after conversion says TomJ. John G. asks assembled members for support for conversion, general assent. Bandwidth issues for usage-based rates comes up yet again, from discussion of whether 814 University folks are using more than their "fair share" since they have multiple machines on POP-local ethernet. Various folks draw formal attention to "are we growth-based or do we parcel out bits grudgingly?"-- ie do we assume we will keep adding T1 connectivity from the outside if we need the bandwidth? [yes] We need to set some baseline rates for "measured rate", ie you should be able to get a wide pipe and not use the full width, but be charged for a combination of bit usage and latency. More discussion of whether or not measuring will put noticeable drag on the net, nothing conclusive. Coming up with the abovementioned charging model would also facilitate POP startup, since folks could pay to have a wider pipe than they would use put in for future expansion, grow more slowly and need a smaller group to spawn a POP. Various pricing models proposed, ranging from John G. 64K steps to latency baserate + stepped usage. Issue needs more exploration, dropped for this meeting. POP Security-- right now anyone could compromise a single host and sniff passwords for anyone elseon TLG net, this is Not Good. Stu, TomJ, Tim, John G are setting up router ring topology and bridging POP-local traffic so that the routers don't touch cross-POP hosts, each router touches only other routers who in turn talk to local POP hosts. Good idea, general kudos to them. Now a WWW (World Wide Web) server on TLG.ORG, PC-based BSD unix box; TLG members running Web servers can put a pointer URL on TLG.ORG "Member Web Servers" page, contact TomJ or Tim P about this. March issue of WIRED will carry TLG ad, will run every other month. TLG.ORG is mostly DNS, admin info, the mailing lists. Stu, TomJ, Tim, and Tom's new intern Flesh have accounts, tlg-ops. Dave Sharnoff mentions he gateways his email to newsgroup format on his machine, talk about need for downstream/POP based mailing lists, hard to contact neighbors on local POP when TLG.ORG is out if that's where all the mailing lists are! Kee points out that TomJ has made sublists but we still need per-POP access lists so people can offload local POP maint and make POPS more independent. John G mentioned Randy Bush is doing profiles/lists of toasternets, contact him (Randy) if you want info or have listings. Will be published in paper and HTML/Web served. Tim Pozar needs 300M drive & Adaptec controller for 444 Market, spontaneous hat passing nets $350. Nice work & a good feeling... Tim P. is working with McGraw-Hill on a pending 56K connection in San Mateo to TLG. He has asked them about colocation of TLG equipment to make a San Mateo POP but they are wary. Peter & Tim will investigate if Frame Relay makes sense for this pipe, McGraw is apparently in or near a building loaded with net-goodies. Various folk point out that random closet rental can bridge TLG service gap between Palo Alto and SF. There is concern about McGraw & another potential TLG customer sucking down "too much" bandwidth. John G talks a little about how you buy latency with a T1, not stricly bandwith, but still there are no guarantees on speed. We [TLG] have never guaranteed constant bandwidth, ie 56K pushed to 56K 7x24, but instead worked out varying rates so that we approximate bandwidth by steps (14400, 56K, T1) with rates that let the bigger connections take a bigger share of the cost. Dave Sharnoff mentions WRT latency, he chunks his NNTP data down to the smallest packet size he can to keep decent latency on simultaneous typing/telnet access on his link, suggests it as a technique to improve 14400 connection performance. John G & Tim suggest that he is dragging down overall network performance by doing this, don't recommend it but no clear consensus on what the effect would be if more folks were doing it. TomJ talks about statistical multiplexing briefly. TomJ: wants help by skillset. Fen suggests mailing list for potential helpers. Tim P offers gopher list for helpers skills. Peter suggest finger account for help(a)tlg.org w/contact list, also setup a help mailback of info using the vacation program. Tim P mentions SJ POP, send potentials to TomJ, we would like to start one. NOS boxes-- only one left, TomJ praises the Livingston boxes for running smoothly once set up, notes that the documentation was hell though. More general discussion of problem solving-- several people brought up a suggestion that we should do PacBell-like cost recovery on troubleshooting. If the problem turns out to be on your end, charge time and materials for looking into it. Need more discussion on how to implement this. Trouble tickets: we need some kind of system; Cygnus has one that we could adapt, and NEARNET has a free FTP-able one as well. Roger Klorese commits to looking into various systems on our behalf. Thanks Roger! TomJ does virtual intro of Randy Mills aka Flesh, his new "intern" (Flesh couldn't make it due to a last-minute schedule conflict). Tom has budgeted $100/mo at first, and mentions that both his and Flesh's stipends should go up as TLG starts breaking even/getting ahead. Flesh has been educating himself in PC tech and BBS stuff, is sharp and interested. TomJ has set him up with a connection on the maintainance port of the 444 Market router w/2400 baud TCP/IP, will upgrade to 9600 when he can scrounge modems. Fen donates pair of 9600 baud modems on the spot, cool. TomJ comments as an aside that he's enthused about getting more folks like Flesh involved with TLG, people from the non-techy side of the world, punks, artists and the like. The Spreadsheet: Tom has new estimates, so spreadsheet at meeting is gloomier than real picture. He observes that we seem to be growing by approx $500/mo. We have to spend $2400 to start up new T1's, $600 for new 14400 (TLG buying ports for new customers to connect to). TomJ has done approximations of a step-up curve where cost/resources/new members are tied into steps where we have to expand. Tom T mentions that we should encourage folks to upgrade their SLIP/PPP connections when the new modem chipsets are widely available in May, as it leverages our current ports into higher revenue without additional cost to us. More grumbling/concerns over large customers (corporations, network services) potentially "sucking dry" the pipe. TomJ points out that all of TLG averaged less than 56K over 5 min spikes in September. John G points out that the entire Internet was on T1 in 1993, w/many 56K interconnects, and that the arpanet/Internet was on 56K for years. Slight digression into T1 costs of our competition, Tim P says Barrnet is cheapest, $600+/month for T1 but (gotcha) no resale. Mini-history review of Barrnet decision, went to no resale because of "predatory" ANS routing pricing for downstream resellers (figure of $55K/year/service provider-reseller was mentioned). Tom's salary: nothing really decided except that TomJ deserves more money and less hours, and that Flesh's presence and a help-list will alleviate the latter complaint but that we need more members and to start running more in the black to work on the $$ issue. John G reminds folks that there's also the matter of eventually repaying his $10K TLG starter loan at more than $40/month, too. WRT TomJ's hours and offloading, we will try to formalize some of the written docs that he has done and put them where they are easier to get to. TomJ has already set up some docs on tlg.org for FTP, we will put up HTML (Web) and probably gopher stuff too. Strata volunteers to edit and otherwise help assemble docs. TimP has partial book/manual, as does TomJ. Rich suggests monthly open house/class for TLG newbies. General enthusiasm for this idea. Peter says have them bring in their machine and just *set it up* as part of the class/workshop, and/or put together a kit like the one the WELL sells for new members, sales of the kit can help with TLG cash problem as well. Robert points out that SW developers and the phone company slam folks for asking questions and taking tech time if the answers are in the manuals/provided docs, maybe we need to do this too (cost recovery again). Will Kreth mentions BAIL (Bay Area Internet Literacy?) and their toasternet classes, they have a committed space reservation that they don't fully use and may be open to letting TLG host/cohost classes in the space. Will will post BAIL info to TLG list, also bail-list-request(a)well.sf.ca.us for info on their classes. Send mail to strata(a)fenchurch.mit.edu re: skills you have that might be helpful to TLG members getting connected and/or maintaining their connection. List ones you are comfortable with volunteering to newbies as well as more experienced folks, and don't list things you know that you consider a potential waste of your limited time, ie for a routing expert to be spending an hour on the phone telling someone how to configure their modem. Strata will collate and post a list, as well as periodic updates as we get new members. That's basically it, folks... ************************************************************************* M. Strata Rose Unix & Network Consultant, SysAdmin & Internet Information Virtual City Network (tm) strata(a)virtual.net | strata(a)hybrid.com | strata(a)fenchurch.mit.edu

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Switcher PS temperature...

by wh.sudbrink＠verizon.net

In the ongoing saga of my OSI C4P-MF that had a PS melt down at VCF east, I determined that the whole thing, in operation, draws 7.2 amps at 5 volts. The two stock 5V supplies are rated for 3 amps each. They are obviously being over stressed. I can't point my finger at any particular "bad" component... everything seems to work just fine when given sufficient current and nothing seems to be drawing more than a few percent out of spec. Anyway, being tired of running it belly up with a large fan blowing on the PSs, I identified a small switcher that would nicely fit in some spare space near the original supplies. You can't actually remove the original supplies, their frames are integral to the structure of the machine. The supply is a Power-One MAP42-1005 available used (and cheap) from WeirdStuff (note URL broken across lines): http:www.weirdstuff.com/commerce/catalog/product.jsp ?product_id=4158&czuid=1104890632078 spec sheet here: http://xtronics.com/stock/pdf/map40.pdf It's rated for 8 amps with no significant airflow (if I understand the specs correctly) so, I'm not even pushing it to its limit. Anyway, after about 10 minutes of operation with the case open and the new PS sitting off to one side (clear all around), the two heat sinks are too hot to touch. Is that normal operation for this kind of supply? Maybe I got a bad one from WeirdStuff? Or could this be some additional clue as to something wrong somewhere else in the computer? According to my meter, the voltage is spot on 5 volts and the current is 7.2 amps. Any suggestions appreciated.

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Switcher PS temperature...

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Eric Smith" <eric(a)brouhaha.com> > >Bill wrote: >> Anyway, after about 10 minutes of >> operation with the case open and the new PS sitting off >> to one side (clear all around), the two heat sinks are too >> hot to touch. Is that normal operation for this kind of >> supply? > >No. They're expected to be hot, but you should be able to >keep your fingers on them for a couple of seconds. > >WARNING: The heat sinks on open-frame switchers may be >electrically hot as well as thermally. Yes, like 400+ VDC with an ampere or 2 of capacity. Dwight > >Eric > >

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interak

by ap007h5122＠blueyonder.co.uk

Hi Errol I have just seen your message on the web, while searching for some other stuff. I expect by now I am too late but I have a working Interak which I still use quite a bit. I like making up new cards + interfaces for it. I have also modified the cpm bios to enable an 80 character screen. (The original monitor card could only display 64 characters as you probably know.) If you still have any related items - hardware, software or documentation - I would be very interested. I live in Hilperton, Trowbridge Wiltshire. Hopefully, Alan --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.642 / Virus Database: 410 - Release Date: 24/03/2004

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Computer Museum of America closing?

by jfoust＠threedee.com

"The museum will be closed to the public beginning January 15, 2005 due to a lack of funding. We regret any inconvenience this may cause. For further information or to help financially, call David Weil at (619) 464-8220 or email dweil(a)computer-museum.org". http://www.computer-museum.org This also included the North American Datacomm Dept., http://www.nadcomm.com/ , as run by Greenkeys member Don House: "The museum is closing tomorrrow. I got the call about an hour ago. The college is no longer able to fund it. David is looking for someone to take over funding and provide a new location in the San Diego area. Anyone with some connections, for God's sake help us. I am very depressed." - John

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You have been unsubscribed from the cctalk mailing list

by jhfinexgs2＠compsys.to

Anyone else get this message?

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Are there any Zenith Minisport owners in the house?

by netsurfer_x1＠fastmailbox.net

Hi all, I was just wondering if we had any Zenith Minisport owners in the house. David M. Vohs Digital Archaeologist & Computer Historian Computer Collection: "Triumph": Commodore 64, 1802, 1541, Indus GT, FDD-1, GeoRAM 512, MPS-801. "Leela": Original Apple Macintosh, Imagewriter II. "Delorean": TI-99/4A, TI Speech Synthesizer. "Spectrum": Tandy Color Computer III. "Monolith": Apple Macintosh Portable. "Boombox": Sharp PC-7000. "Butterfly": Tandy 200, PDD-2. "Shapeshifter": Epson QX-10, Comrex HDD, Titan graphics/MS-DOS board. "Scout": Otrona Attache. (prospective) "Pioneer": Apple LISA II. "TMA-1": Atari Portfolio, Memory Expander + "Centaur": Commodore Amiga 2000.

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Switcher PS temperature...

by melamy＠earthlink.net

one of the key specs for power transistors is operating temperature. When near the top end of dissipation, the case can be past the temerpature of boiling water and still be able to dissipate 60% of what its top rating is (typical for 2N3055 power transistor anyway). If you want to make absolutely sure, then get the part number and find the specs on it. Measure the case temperature and then the emitter and collector voltages. The difference between the two times the output current of 7.2 amps will give you the wattage it is trying to dissipate. Refer to the specs to see if the temperature vs dissipation is within spec. A simpler solution is just run it and see if it eventually blows up... (it is probably okay) best regards, Steve Thatcher -----Original Message----- From: Bill Sudbrink <wh.sudbrink(a)verizon.net> hot to touch. Is that normal operation for this kind of supply? Maybe I got a bad one from WeirdStuff? Or could this be some additional clue as to something wrong somewhere else in the computer? According to my meter, the voltage is spot on 5 volts and the current is 7.2 amps. Any suggestions appreciated.

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DNS history? (fwd)

by tomj＠wps.com

I asked my friend Randy who has done a lot of DNS work. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:06:15 -0800 From: Randy Bush Subject: Re: DNS history? > Anything written? i googled. the first entry seems written by someone who could read rfcs and then add political spin. <http://www.byte.org/one-history-of-dns.pdf> <http://www.ahref.com/guides/industry/199903/0323piouprintable.html> is far too terse and short. nothing else looks interesting i would ask on inter-hist list randy

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Linux and growth of Internet

by classiccmp＠crash.com

John Allain wrote: > First home ISP: Public Access Networks (Panix NY) > running on Suns. A friend of mine was involved in the startup of Panix and has said several times that the original platform was A/UX, of all things. He's been on and off the list from time to time, maybe I can get him to tell the tale... --Steve.

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ebay HP book

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Item # 5156451806 This is one of the best books to have for HP collectors. It pulls together many different manuals into one reference book. It's got a lot of hardware info, but you can almost think of this book being to the HP software what the CE handbook is to HP software. Lots of good stuff :) Jay

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What is this RK05 style pack?

by wacarder＠usit.net

A couple months ago I acquired a new, still in the plastic wrap, still in the box, never opened disk pack that at first glance appeared to be an RK05. I finally decided to look further at it to see if it was a 12 sector or 16 sector RK05 pack, since it had no identifying label or markings. Upon further inspection, I found that it did not have the usual rim on the hub, where normally you would be able to count the thin notches to determine whether it was a 16 sector or 12 sector RK05. Instead, it has a short, rounded, unnotched rim where normally it would have the tall thin rim with notches. Otherwise it looks just like an RK05. The case is interchangeable. I actually took it apart so I could use the case on another RK05 pack that had a decent platter but a bad outer case. What is this thing? RK03? Ashley

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Wanted: Used electronic / Computer resellers

by ICS＠Core.com

Anyone know of Used or Salvage Electronic / Computer equipment resellers in the Maryland, Virginia area? or of a Mr. Wilson Drummond that buys from the NASA auctions?

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Any one remember...?

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

Wow Eric! That was QUICK! Thanks! I'd be interested to hear about your experiences with this board. Do you like it? My original Model I is not working properly at this time. My friend Tom and I will have to take a look at it more closely. It powers up, and will work stand-alone, but when attached to my E/I or an LNW E/I I have, it does not see the RAM in the E/I or access the floppies. I may simply have to resolder the gold plug on the expansion connector, OR something more insidious is wrong. This particular Model I has the Dennis Kitsz LowerCase Mod from his book (very similar to the Electric Pencil Mod), Dennis's High Speed Upgrade (4mhz if I remember correctly) with a special circuit that slows down the Mod for Cassette or Disk Access (along with a Tri-Color LED that goes Red for normal, Green for High Speed, and Orange for Auto Switch). We also built in an Audio Amplifier, Composite Video Out (for an Amber Monitor OR a TV through an RF Modulator), AND an Alpha Joystick Connector one can attach ANY Atari-Style Joystick to. I miss those days... Al > From: dittman(a)dittman.net (Eric Dittman) > > > All this talk of TRS-80's on the list (Those two > S-100 > > Systems sound COOL!!!), prompts me to ask if > anyone > > remembers a garage project called "The Trash > > Compactor". > > > > Basically, some guy (a REALLY SMART guy!) > > reimplemented the entire Model III logic Board on > a > > board that would fit inside a Model I case. > > > > It also incorporated the E/I and the RS-232 port, > and > > did some other cool things. > > > > I lost the literature I used to have on this > board. > > > > Anyone remember it? > > I have a board that sounds like what you described. > The company > silkscreened on the board is "Norcom". > > The Model I case has part of the back plastic hacked > out for the > additional connectors. The keyboard is one of the > later-model > Model I keyboards with keypad. > > It works with the exception of one column of keys, > which should be > easy to fix when I get a chance. > -- > Eric Dittman > dittman(a)dittman.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

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Any one remember...?

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

All this talk of TRS-80's on the list (Those two S-100 Systems sound COOL!!!), prompts me to ask if anyone remembers a garage project called "The Trash Compactor". Basically, some guy (a REALLY SMART guy!) reimplemented the entire Model III logic Board on a board that would fit inside a Model I case. It also incorporated the E/I and the RS-232 port, and did some other cool things. I lost the literature I used to have on this board. Anyone remember it? I wish I'd bought one, way back when... I'm STILL looking for an LNW-80 Model II.. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

21 years, 3 months

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"Cold heat" soldering?

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Tom Jennings" <tomj(a)wps.com> > >On Wed, 12 Jan 2005, Ron Hudson wrote: > >> What kind of screwdriver is a "greenie" screwdriver? > >I thought they were universal!!!! :-) > >about 4" long, thin flat blade, 3/32" or so, green translucent hex >handle, by xcelite. Trimpots, prying chips, cutting PCB traces, >punching holes in your pocket. Fancy models come with a pocket >clip. Decent quality, cheap. Just knowing I own one (actually, >three) makes life better. > I always referred to them as being a "tweak". A small piece of shrink tubing to slide up when doing trim pots. Dwight

21 years, 3 months

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Thorn EMI Proton Detection System Commodore PET (UK)

by listmailgoeshere＠gmail.com

A friend of mine who works for a large local organisation rescued this fascinating piece of kit from being thrown in a dumpster. It is a modified PET (the later series without the cassette drive) with the "Commodore" name strip replaced with a "Thorn EMI" one. It is internally modified with one or several? more boards mounted in it, and there are several ports which have been added to the right hand side - these include two BNCs which IIRC were Analogue In and Analogue Out, a 25-pin D RS232, and several others I don't recall. The machine also has new ROMs in it - however the original ones are stored within it in a small perspex box attached to the baseplace (how thoughtful is that?). I didn't get to see it run. There is also a Commodore dual floppy drive for the unit with it (using half-height drives). Another contact I have at this place is a collector of old computers so I suspect he will have his eye on this, however he has a PET in his collection already, so if this unit is of particular historical importance and someone wants it for their museum where it will go on display (Witchy? Jules?) I might be able to get it for you on this basis. I could certainly try. Is anyone interested?

21 years, 3 months

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How the Mac was born... supposedly...

by aek＠spies.com

>Interesting story, but I find it hard to believe that emailing outside >of academic and military circles was done much at all back in 1985. You obviously weren't around then, were you? The tough part was finding shell accounts you could get. The Well was one of the first. I know that's what I had an account on in '85. And Apple most certainly was exchanging email. The original 'apple vax' (apple.com later) was a 780 that lived in the top floor of Mariani 1. I got my first job at Apple from a posting on ba.jobs that came through that machine.

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How the Mac was born... supposedly...

by aek＠spies.com

What we're trying to find out, on two threads now, is how life was before registered domain names. -- In the unix world, uucp and netnews, both using bang separated pathnames. Tom could explain the details of FIDOnet, which had gateways. Then there were all the other corparate/educational nets with their own naming rules (bitnet,decnet and dec's internal networks). Most people had slow point-point links at the periphery.

21 years, 3 months

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Linux and growth of Internet

by aek＠spies.com

I seem to recall Mac fans taunting me about how easy MacTCP was to setup, but I'm not clear on the timing for that... -- Apple introduced MacTCP in Oct, 1988. NCSA, UofM, and Stanford packages were available before that. Primary applications were Telnet, FTP, Mail of various flavors and Gopher.

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"Cold heat" soldering?

by classiccmp＠crash.com

Tom Jennings wrote: > Ron Hudson wrote: >> What kind of screwdriver is a "greenie" screwdriver? >> > I thought they were universal!!!! :-) The yahoo's running airport security in Columbus or Des Moines confiscated my only greenie sometime before the TSA took over airport screening, but well after 9/11. It had remained in my carry-on for several trips shortly before this, but this time when they did a complete hand-check of my bag, they decided this was an Instrument of Terror. I thought it was the only way to tighten up the screws in my glasses, but didn't argue with the nice (ahem) man. I could buy another one, but this was the one given to me when I took a work-study job in the Engineering department at college and learned to solder random serial cables... --Steve.

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Anyone remember Coherent Unix?

by Innfogra＠aol.com

I am interested in it's history. Could you summarize it a little. I still have a couple sets of their SW although I have never run it. Paxton

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"Cold heat" soldering?

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Philip Pemberton" <philpem(a)dsl.pipex.com> > >In message <S.0000412101(a)mythtech.net> > chris <cb(a)mythtech.net> wrote: > >> >the attraction is to all the people that burn themselves WHENEVER they >> >pick up a soldering iron... >> >> I thought those burns where a right of passage in using an iron!?! > >Yep - picking up the hot end of a soldering iron is another one. Yes, I've >done that once. That was reason I went out and bought a proper stand for the >iron. > Hi It is mostly learning to not reach for it when it is falling. You should jsut let it fall. Dwight

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Reading Atari 800 floppies?

by RMeenaks＠OLF.COM

Havent tried this, but: http://www.emulators.com/xformer.htm Cheers, Ram -----Original Message----- From: Tom Hudson [mailto:tomhudson@execpc.com] Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 3:42 PM To: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Reading Atari 800 floppies? Anybody know if it's possible to read old Atari 8-bit 5.25" floppies with some sort of PC-based software? I used to develop software for the Ataris and some co-workers just dredged up some floppies with source code from projects I did for Atari that were never released. We're trying to dig up a functional 800 system to read them but it would save a lot of hassle if it was possible to read them directly into a PC, where we have a good emulator. -Tom -- Thomas Hudson http://portdistrict5.org -- 5th District Aldermanic Website http://portev.org -- Electric Vehicles, Solar Power & More http://portgardenclub.org -- Port Washington Garden Club http://portlightstation.org -- Light Station Restoration http://klanky.com -- Animation Projects (c) 2005 OpenLink Financial Copyright in this message and any attachments remains with us. It is confidential and may be legally privileged. If this message is not intended for you it must not be read, copied or used by you or disclosed to anyone else. Please advise the sender immediately if you have received this message in error. Although this message and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Open Link Financial, Inc. for any loss or damage in any way arising from its use.

21 years, 3 months

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Reading Atari 800 floppies?

by RMeenaks＠OLF.COM

Havent tried this, but: -----Original Message----- From: Tom Hudson [mailto:tomhudson@execpc.com] Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 3:42 PM To: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Reading Atari 800 floppies? Anybody know if it's possible to read old Atari 8-bit 5.25" floppies with some sort of PC-based software? I used to develop software for the Ataris and some co-workers just dredged up some floppies with source code from projects I did for Atari that were never released. We're trying to dig up a functional 800 system to read them but it would save a lot of hassle if it was possible to read them directly into a PC, where we have a good emulator. -Tom -- Thomas Hudson http://portdistrict5.org -- 5th District Aldermanic Website http://portev.org -- Electric Vehicles, Solar Power & More http://portgardenclub.org -- Port Washington Garden Club http://portlightstation.org -- Light Station Restoration http://klanky.com -- Animation Projects (c) 2005 OpenLink Financial Copyright in this message and any attachments remains with us. It is confidential and may be legally privileged. If this message is not intended for you it must not be read, copied or used by you or disclosed to anyone else. Please advise the sender immediately if you have received this message in error. Although this message and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Open Link Financial, Inc. for any loss or damage in any way arising from its use.

21 years, 3 months

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You have been unsubscribed from the cctalk mailing list

by tbilby＠rave.com

Hi Jay, Any reason why I was automagically _un_subscribed from cctalk? Thanks, Tad cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org wrote: <nothing> -- ---- Tad *******************************

21 years, 3 months

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You have been unsubscribed from the cctalk mailing list

by Arno_1983＠gmx.de

Tom Hudson <tomhudson(a)execpc.com> wrote: > I got TWO of 'em! I WIN!!! > >-Tom > >P.S. One at 9:07PM, one at 9:23PM Also got it twice (with exactly the same time stamps as you). If there is somebody playing games, s/he should better be careful or might be sued if shocked list members suffer heart attacks due to these bad news! -- Arno Kletzander Stud. Hilfskraft Informatik Sammlung Erlangen www.iser.uni-erlangen.de +++ Sparen Sie mit GMX DSL +++ http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl AKTION für Wechsler: DSL-Tarife ab 3,99 EUR/Monat + Startguthaben

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"Cold heat" soldering?

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk > >> That was Bob Vila, and actually he was employing one of those gripper >> wrenches that automatically adjust to any nut size. They work pretty >> well. > >... for rounding thr corners off the nuts. > I agree with Tony. If I saw teeth marks on a axle nut, I'd replace it. Even if the corners were not rounded, it wouldn't take a proper wrench correctly after it had plier jaws on it. Use the proper size and type of tool for each job. Such pliers should only be used for nuts in emergencies, with the understanding that that nut will need to be replaced. Dwight

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This just in...

by jpl15＠panix.com

>Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:07:35 -0600 >From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org >To: jpl15(a)panix.com >Subject: You have been unsubscribed from the cctalk mailing list And that was it - no body message, and of course, t'ain't true... Interesting... Cheers Not Unsubbed

21 years, 3 months

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This just in...

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

I got one, too. -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Ethan Dicks Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 11:01 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: This just in... On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:44:36 -0500 (EST), John Lawson <jpl15(a)panix.com> wrote: > > >Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:07:35 -0600 > >From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org > >To: jpl15(a)panix.com > >Subject: You have been unsubscribed from the cctalk mailing list > > And that was it - no body message, and of course, t'ain't true... I got one too... -ethan

21 years, 3 months

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Hey people

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Chill Out

21 years, 3 months

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You have been unsubscribed from the cctalk mailing list

by RMeenaks＠OLF.COM

Same here?? Ram -----Original Message----- From: Tothwolf [mailto:tothwolf@concentric.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 11:06 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: You have been unsubscribed from the cctalk mailing list On Wed, 12 Jan 2005, Jerome H. Fine wrote: > Anyone else get this message? I just got it. -Toth (c) 2005 OpenLink Financial Copyright in this message and any attachments remains with us. It is confidential and may be legally privileged. If this message is not intended for you it must not be read, copied or used by you or disclosed to anyone else. Please advise the sender immediately if you have received this message in error. Although this message and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Open Link Financial, Inc. for any loss or damage in any way arising from its use.

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Message 34 - unsubscribed

by cmurray＠eagle.ca

Message: 34 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:08:16 -0500 From: 9000 VAX <vax9000(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: You have been unsubscribed from the cctalk mailing list To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <ddc584f505011220086eeb24c2(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII me On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:02:56 -0500, Jerome H. Fine <jhfinexgs2(a)compsys.to> wrote: >> Anyone else get this message? I got this message TWICE, within 1/2 hr and midnight to boot!!!

21 years, 3 months

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Hitachi 4Drive CD enclosure and controller

by CCTalk＠catcorner.org

I have available for the picking, an external cabinet with 4 Hitachi interface CD-ROM drives (TCDR-4000). I also have the TCD-IF8P interface card (from Todd engineering), the install and driver disks and connecting cable. THESE ARE NOT SCSI DRIVES. It also comes with a bunch of the cadies for the CD's. Copyright and dates codes are from 1992 so this is on topic. According to what I can find, none of this is supported in any of the current PC environment, and it doesn't run on any of the classic stuff I collect. Well, I guess I could get it running in one of the DOS machines I use for emulating and testing, but I have no real desire to do so. If anyone has any need for this unit, please let me know off list. It is VERY HEAVY (about 20+ pounds). Whoever wants it would have to pay for shipping from New Jersey, or come pick it up. That's all I'm asking for, but if you have any old Tandy/TRS-80 stuff (not the PC stuff, the older units), please let me know. If you're just gonna gut it, please don't ask. I can do that myself and install a bunch of SCSI drives if I so desired. All of this is "AS IS", but I would hate to trash it if anyone has a need for it. Kelly

21 years, 3 months

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You have been unsubscribed from the cctalk mailing list

by GOOI＠oce.nl

No, it's a draw. For the real #1 :~), I got the first at 4:15, the second at 6:32 (both "West-Europe" time, during the winter that's UTC-2). - Henk, PA8PDP. > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Tom Hudson > Sent: donderdag 13 januari 2005 6:04 > To: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: You have been unsubscribed from the cctalk mailing list > > > I got TWO of 'em! I WIN!!! > > -Tom > > P.S. One at 9:07PM, one at 9:23PM > > -- > Thomas Hudson > http://portdistrict5.org -- 5th District Aldermanic Website > http://portev.org -- Electric Vehicles, Solar Power & More > http://portgardenclub.org -- Port Washington Garden Club > http://portlightstation.org -- Light Station Restoration > http://klanky.com -- Animation Projects > > > Jerome H. Fine wrote: > > > Anyone else get this message?

21 years, 3 months

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server names

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

too many have asked.... Huey was (and for a few days more at least 'is') the real hostname of the classiccmp server, because that was the system name for our HP2000/Access system in high school. But since I got my own real HP2000/Access system running at home... well... in the words of the highlander "there can be only one". So the new classicmp server is named Dewey, after the DEC PDP-11/03 running RT-11/TSX+ in my high school. Yes, my home system is named louie.classiccmp.org, after the third computer my high school had, a EC-1 analog computer :) Jay

21 years, 3 months

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so....

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I guess the suprise is out (to those who inspected the headers)... The new machine has spamassassin and clamAV on it... primarily so that the moderator won't have to moderate spam. This will make my job (and the other list moderator helpers jobs) infinitely more bearable. It'll be nice to moderate about 150 emails a day instead of a thousand+. Also, when it's all done... look for some nice enhancements to the list archives. Jay

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