- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by dave04a＠dunfield.com

Hi Guys, Still happily rooting through my big pile of ju.. er, "Fine high quality vintage material". Hit upon a big box full of assorted parts, ICs, etc. found a couple of white-ceramic 8080s, some keyboard encoders (also white-ceramic), lots of ROMs, RAMs (some very old), lots of interface logic, some disk controllers (including several 1793s which I needed but never did get around to ordering), and lots of other oddball stuff, including: about a dozen interesting looking chips, which are labled: MK4116E-3 This appear to be a 9-pin DIP ceramic carrier with two smaller chips mounted on-top - each of the smaller chips has the MK4116E-3 designation. The smaller chips also have 9 pins, however they are not DIP but rather in a 4, 5, 4, 5 arrangement all the way around the device. Anyone recognize these? My guess is some sort of RAM (dynamic)? Clearly not the same as a standard 4116 DRAM. Don't recall having seen these before (although a fair bit of trivia has drained away from the memory array over the years) - anyone know what they were used in? Still inventorying the documenation but I should have a complete list soon. Lots of S-100 hardware, NorthStar software and TRS-80 documents. Did find an original of David Ahl's "101 Basic Computer Games" published by DEC in 1973 (this one is from the 1974 2nd printing). Regards, Dave -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Collector of vintage computing equipment: http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html

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Macintosh Performa 405

by jim.isbell＠gmail.com

Is this thing worth anything?? -- Jim Isbell W5JAI UltraVan #257 CAL - 27 #221

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DEC version of "101 Basic Computer Games"

by dave04a＠dunfield.com

At 16:35 17/01/2005 -0500, you wrote: >> David Ahl's "101 Basic Computer Games" published by DEC >> in 1973 (this one is from the 1974 2nd printing). > >Does it have a DEC Order Number on it? Is it EB-04873-76? > >Ahl's DECUS submissions of these games are online at > > http://pdp-11.trailing-edge.com/rsts11/rsts-11-013/index.html > http://pdp-11.trailing-edge.com/rsts11/rsts-11-014/index.html > >Tim. I can't find a DEC order number - the cover has the little blocks "digital" logo in the lower right hand corner (as does the spine), and inside it says: 1st printing -- July 1973 2nd printing -- April 1974 Copyright (C) 1973, 1974 by: Digital Equipment Corporation Maynard, Massachusetts 01754 But there is also a "box" which says: Additional copies of "101 BASIC Computer Games" are available for $7.50 plus .75 postage from: Creative Computing P.O. Box 789-M Morristown, N. J. 07960 So it doesn't look as though DEC actually offered the book through it's own sales channels - at least not in 1974. -- anyone know for sure? Regards, Dave -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Collector of vintage computing equipment: http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html

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DEC Consultant's Reference Guide

by classiccmp＠crash.com

[ I've been trying to organize the backlog of cctalk ] [ mail sitting unread on my server... ] Way back in September, Dan Veeneman wrote: > At a recent hamfest I picked up two volumes of > Digital Equipment Corporation's Consultant's Reference > Guide. > Does anyone have a full set of these? I might. I picked up a lot of them along with RT-11 docs when I picked up a VT103 and DSD disk/tape box many years ago. However some of the manuals fell victim to a large basement flood a few years back - over 15" of water in that section, when we got about 5" in 5 hours early one March. Frozen ground doesn't absorb much water, and I had *just* moved the home datacenter down there after watching for flooding for a couple years. Figures. Haven't had any flooding to speak of before or since. I haven't gone through them since the crisis, and I'm sorry to say some may have molded up so bad before I could deal with them that they may have been pitched. I'm gearing up for a cross-continent move, so don't look for any news on this other than an inventory of what's left as it gets packed. There was a bunch more stuff, going from memory, than the company history. In particular it included system configurations from the period in question. I recall seeing the first generation of VAXen, pdp-11s, and a number of DECSYSTEMs in there, along with software and whatnot. --Steve.

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Nickel Metal Hydrids

by shoppa_classiccmp＠trailing-edge.com

> Jameco still shows a robust selection of NiCad cells and batteries. It's true that they have a lot listed, although I'm not sure if I'd apply the term "robust" when they don't name any manufacturers. I suppose that like any technology it gets dropped first by the big-name distributors, then the catalog houses, then the grey-market distributors like Jameco, then the surplus places. I may be anal about it but I've always been leery of buyng grey-market consumables like batteries. I guess I'll just have to lower my standards! Tim.

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Nickel Metal Hydrids

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Jameco still shows a robust selection of NiCad cells and batteries. Dwight >From: shoppa_classiccmp(a)trailing-edge.com > >> Each battery technology has its own charging rules... > >That actually makes me feel better for taking the time to hunt down >real NiCads for my scopemeter. Everywhere I looked I found that >the NiCads had been discontinued, eventually I found a place >that still had the right physical size in stock, but even then they >only had a small quantity left and they told me that they weren't gonna >be getting any more. > >Tim. >

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Anyone recognize MK4116E ?

by dave04a＠dunfield.com

At 16:33 17/01/2005 -0500, you wrote: >> labled: MK4116E-3 >> This appear to be a 9-pin DIP ceramic carrie > >9 pins? Surely you mean 16. Actually - I ment to say 18 --- But I only counted one side, and my brain failed to perform the x2 for DIP between my eyes and fingers ... Thats why I said these are obviously not standard 4116 DRAM's - they are 18 pin devices! regards, Dave -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Collector of vintage computing equipment: http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html

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Seiko RC-1000 wrist terminal software req?

by saanders＠bellsouth.net

Fred and Dave, I found this thread via an internet search. Did either of you find a copy of the IBM/MS-DOS software for the Seiko RC-1000 wrist terminal? I'm trying to revive mine but my computer can't read the floppy (I have a good 5.25 disk drive, the computer just can't read that particular disk.) Regards, Stuart Anderson Madison, Alabama, USA On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, Dave Mitton wrote: > Does anyone have a copy of the host system software for the circa 1984 > Seiko RC-1000 watch terminal? > > I thought I had a copy that ran on DOS as a character mode app, but I > cannot find the original diskette. The original PC I used is long gone. I *used* to have one of those (actually, just threw out my broken watch a couple of weeks ago) but I do seem to remember I still have the box... that might still have the cable and the floppies. Will look for ya :) --f -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://www.pdp11.nl/VAXlab/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje at pdp11.nl <http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctalk> BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Sunnyvale, CA, USA

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Nickel Metal Hydrids

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi I thought I'd pass on some info about these batteries. I received a laptop with a "dead" battery. The voltage as read from a meter was "0" volts. I mean dead! I first stuck it into the laptop but quickly noticed the smell of hot resistors ( bad idea ). I then connected it to a bench supply running at about 200ma. I watched the level of the voltage until it gradually came up to about 12v ( 14.4v pack ). I placed it back in the laptop and allowed it to charge until it indicated a full charge. I ran it down once to the battery low level and repeated the charge. That was last night. Leaving it for 8 hours, it seems to be maintaining its charge. Moral of the story, don't give up on these batteries. They are remarkably tough. Most NiCads batteries would not recover from such a level. Dwight

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On a tangential note concerning Panix and old Internet ISPs

by brain＠jbrain.com

//.: "Panix <http://www.panix.net/>, the oldest commercial Internet provider in New York, had its domain name 'panix.com' hijacked by persons unknown. The main effect on users is that mail sent to panix's customers is being routed to a bogus mail server run by the hijackers." / -- Jim Brain, Brain Innovations brain(a)jbrain.com http://www.jbrain.com Dabbling in WWW, Embedded Systems, Old CBM computers, and Good Times!

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Nickel Metal Hydrids

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi My understanding is that NiMH's have a higher internal resistance when mostly discharged and should be charged slowly until the internal resistance drops. They are also suppose to be less tolorent to over charging than NiCad's. In general, I'd expect one to get poor battery life using a NiCad charger on NiMH's. 0.1C is not a trickle. 0.02-0.01C is. 0.1C will cause quite a bit of heating in a fully charged cell. 0.1C is only recommended for normal rate of charging NiCad's, not as a trickle level. Dwight >From: shoppa_classiccmp(a)trailing-edge.com > >> I have noticed that NiMH prices have gone down >> about half over the last 5 years. > >In many cases they are cheaper than NiCads now. > >This raises a question for refurbishing older equipment: is it always >OK to just drop a set of NiMH's in place of same-size NiCad's? Most >of the "stupid" NiCad battery chargers were just 0.1C trickle chargers, >but the "smart" ones that looked for the voltage rise at the end of charge >of a NiCad may not see this with a NiMH pack. Anyone have any experience? > >Last time I had to put some new Sub-C cells in my Fluke scopemeter I had >to look rather hard to find true NiCads as opposed to MiMH's. > >Tim. >

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Mac 128, was Re: Desktops then and now (book review)

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 1/17/05 12:28:29 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, mike(a)ambientdesign.com writes: I have a very nice one, as-new, with original carry bag, printer, external floppy, manuals, etc, but didn't think it was overly rare. I'll be happy enough if I'm wrong... A 128K Mac set like that is a nice collectable, especially with the docs and disks. It could make epay live up to its name. Condition is all important as are the original SW and docs. I don't know of it's rarity. Many were upgraded to 512K so there are not that many in existence. Paxton Astoria, OR

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Nickel Metal Hydrids

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi I would guess that your method is most likely the best. Keeping them at full charge tends to create those metal fingers inside that short them out. Discharging them as packs tends to reverse charge some of the cells causing out gassing and cell rupturing. I don't know if the NiMH I had was drained by load or just by sitting around. It is an old machine ( about 13 or 14 years old ). I would guess that these cells have a similar problem if fully discharged as a battery stack. The laptop had no normal signs of wear like a similar one that I had ( video is failing ). It may have only been used for a year or so and then just placed in storage. Most times when I come on NiCads that have zero volts, I find the cells to have an internal short. Either NiMH have something that keeps this from happening or I was real lucky. I do know that wet NiCads ( those with vents ) are usually shipped with a shorting bar. I would guess that if one individually drained the NiCad cells, they could be stored a long time. I'll let you guys know how things are after a couple more days. Hopefully the battery will remain useful. Dwight >From: "John Allain" <allain(a)panix.com> > >> Most NiCads batteries would not recover from such a level. > >How should NiCads be stored? >Sounds line 0v is a terrible idea. >I usually put them away at normal discharge, >about .8-1.0v and then charge a few hours before >next use. >All I really know is that: > o. 300 recharges is about all you can expect, and > o. topping off is no good > >My guess is that unused NiCads could reach 0v >after a year or two on the shelf. If you restore a >collectable and then shelve it for 10 years only >to find it's dead _again_ it won't be gratifying. > >It might not be worth sweating this detail, however. >I have noticed that NiMH prices have gone down >about half over the last 5 years. > >John A. >

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DEC version of "101 Basic Computer Games"

by shoppa_classiccmp＠trailing-edge.com

> David Ahl's "101 Basic Computer Games" published by DEC > in 1973 (this one is from the 1974 2nd printing). Does it have a DEC Order Number on it? Is it EB-04873-76? Ahl's DECUS submissions of these games are online at http://pdp-11.trailing-edge.com/rsts11/rsts-11-013/index.html http://pdp-11.trailing-edge.com/rsts11/rsts-11-014/index.html Tim.

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Slightly OT: world's smallest hard drive

by news＠computercollector.com

http://news.com.com/Disk+drives+to+stop+shrinking/2100-1004_3-5532612.html?… ===== Tell your friends about the Computer Collector Newsletter! -- It's free and we'll never send spam or share your email address -- Publishing every Monday(-ish), ask about writing for us -- Mainframes to videogames, hardware and software, we cover it all -- W: http://news.computercollector.com E: news(a)computercollector.com -- 646 readers and counting!

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email was Mac something something

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Vintage Computer Festival" <vcf(a)siconic.com> > >On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, Paul Koning wrote: > >> >>>>> "William" == William Donzelli <aw288(a)osfn.org> writes: >> >> William> .... Some of the things were >> William> pretty cool - a 400 cps (!) paper tape punch, ... >> >> Wow. I've love to see one of those. The fastest I have seen was, I >> think, a 120 cps punch. Listening to one of those running at full >> speed is pretty impressive. >> >> Paper tape readers can go much faster (I've seen 2000 cps) but those >> are optical readers, so the job is far easier. > >I don't suppose anyone ever manufactured a laser-based paper tape punch? >Is that even feasible? > Hi Sure, it could be done. The only reason it hasn't been done was that the medium was obsolete by the time the LASERs were ready. I used to have fun with a 20W CO2 LASER. I could control it well enough to remove 6 or 7 layers of paper. Each time I'd cut a little deeper. It would make a pop sound and some of the paper would just be disappear :) Dwight

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Linux and an old IBM PS/2 8570

by john_boffemmyer_iv＠boff-net.dhs.org

I recently got an old IBM PS/2 8570 (as mentioned to some earlier). Been thinking about putting Linux on it as the original owner put some company proprietary software on it for some unknown network monitoring via proprietary hardware (that has since been removed before I came into possession). The big thing is that it doesn't want to boot from SCSI. I have 4 cards and the adf disks for them. 1 is an IBM (supposedly Corvette) controller. 2 are Adaptec 1640's (different year manufacture and slightly different layout/revision). The final one is a Storage Dimensions 3211B (technically a compatible, yet rarer C/D). The other thing is that I've been told it has some sort of special boot partition on the 60MB ESDI drive. The SCSI drives I'm trying to use are all 1 and 2.2GB Seagates with an external Sun 611 enclosure (again, making the 10 year rule from what I've been told). If I can get the damned thing to take the SCSI drives and not the 60MB ESDI, that would be the ideal situation. If I have to use the 60MB ESDI as the boot drive, how could I get this to work as I've never tried Linux on an MCA before and everything I find out there seems not to pertain to my situation? The other cards in the machine are an IBM Long 16/4 (DB9 out) Token Ring card and I was thinking of using a Kingston 8000 Memory card (any info on this unique piece of hardware would be greatly appreciated as all I can find are the adf's for it). Anyone know what the max size and type memory was for that card and how it was implemented? Worst case scenario is that I simply don't use it, as the bigger goal is to get the damned thing working with Linux on SCSI and Token Ring. If people are hesitant on helping me, I have a bunch of spare MCA DB9 16/4 Token Ring cards (long and short), SCSI cards (as described above) and a couple XGA and XGA2 cards wthat I'm willing to offer for shipping in exchange for help. Hell, I've even willing to give up the odd Kingston memory card if it got me some help. Any takers? Please reply off-list, thanks. -John Boffemmyer IV john at boff dash net dot nospamdhs dot org (just drop the nospam) ---------------------------------------- Founder, Network Engineer, Tech Analyst and Web Designer Boff-Net Technologies http://boff-net.dhs.org/index.html ----------------------------------------

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Slightly OT: tips for fabricating with plexiglass?

by news＠computercollector.com

It's only "slightly" off-topic because what I'm building is a new case for my Apple 1 "Replica 1" board. I've heard some horror stories about whole (expensive!) sheets of plexiglass simply breaking in half when incorrectly drilled through. The guy at the plastic supply company tried selling me a special drill bit, but I'm hesitant about that. Does anyone has hands-on experience and tips (vs. just speculation) about working with this stuff? This computer will be on display as some public events, so the final appearance is very important. ===== Tell your friends about the Computer Collector Newsletter! -- It's free and we'll never send spam or share your email address -- Publishing every Monday(-ish), ask about writing for us -- Mainframes to videogames, hardware and software, we cover it all -- W: http://news.computercollector.com E: news(a)computercollector.com -- 653 readers and counting!

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4 floppy disk drives on a PC?

by Innfogra＠aol.com

Western Digital made a 4 floppy controller for this. It is the 1002A-FOX F002 / 004 according to my 1996 CSC Hard Drive Bible. They say: F002 controls 4 floppys only. F004 has a BIOS on card which permits installation of 1.2 and 1.44 MB drives in XT machines that normally only support 360K or 720K drives. A note at the bottom: Uses WS-37C65 cchip, works well in 286/386 machines. You might look for one of those. Paxton Astoria, OR

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Slightly OT: tips for fabricating with plexiglass?

by bobcaar＠softhome.net

A circular saw can also be used to cut plexiglass easily. Just use a regular plywood blade, but put it on backwards and leave the protective film on/use tape where you make the cut. T.H.x. Devon

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Computer Education

by ICS＠Core.com

Anyone have experience or know for a factor of a Bachelor's degree program that teaches computer hardware and software in a logical order and comprehensively?

21 years, 3 months

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Linux and growth of Internet

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 16 2005, 7:40, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > The MS TCP/IP stack works surprisingly well. The setup program is easy to > use and fairly powerful, and the accessibility you get on a DOS box is > really good. It has support for a number of NICs (including the generic > NE1000 and NE2000). And most of the modules can be loaded high, saving > your main memory for applications. I can mount WinXP drives on my lowly > DOS box would full read/write access. You don't get long filenames, of > course, but you can still access any file because of the "stem" that MS > puts in the filesystem to convert long names to 8.3. Yes, that's pretty much how I set it up, except I don't publish shares on Windows machines; I use samba instead. The MS client does everything I want to do with DOS, and you can upgrade the support for NICs by adding drivers, too. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Linux and growth of Internet

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 16 2005, 7:18, Cameron Kaiser wrote: > > I built a similar setup a few months ago, but I used the Microsoft > > TCP/IP stuff on top of DOS 6.22. It was easy to set up, and now I have > > telnet, FTP, ICMP (some stacks don't support that), and the whole thing > > uses DHCP and mounts drives from my Samba server. > > Showoff. ;) > > Did you use LAN Mangler, er, Manager, or something else? Nope, I used the "Microsoft Network Client 3", which comes as a couple of DOS disks. I seem to remember having to update one of the files, and add a driver from a 3Com disk. Even so, it only took an hour or so to download and set up, including at least one false start, and some messing with HIMEM. I spent maybe an hour more messing with things to save as much space as possible. If anybody wants to try it, I bookmarked the webpage I found most helpful: http://www.windowsnetworking.com/j_helmig/dosclnt3.htm IPX/SPX are banned from my networks, so obviously I only installed the TCP/IP stuff. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Linux and growth of Internet

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 16 2005, 9:14, Stan Barr wrote: > Hi, > > Cameron Kaiser said: > > > Remember the joys of TCP/IP on MS-DOS in the late 1980s? > > > > Remember it? I live it. The 486 DOS laptop besides me took several days to > > piece everything together. It runs a 3Com packet driver on top of some > > crufted together Card/Socket Services TSRs, and then NCSA Telnet and FTP > > have their own TCP stacks that will talk to it. So does Arachne, it seems. > > I've just been doing much the same thing so I can ftp stuff over to my > headless 486 that thinks it's a PDP-11 - old NE2000 card, Crwnyr(sp?) > driver and NCSA telnet/ftp. I built a similar setup a few months ago, but I used the Microsoft TCP/IP stuff on top of DOS 6.22. It was easy to set up, and now I have telnet, FTP, ICMP (some stacks don't support that), and the whole thing uses DHCP and mounts drives from my Samba server. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Slightly OT: tips for fabricating with plexiglass?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 16 2005, 15:53, Stan Barr wrote: > > Question - is plexiglass the same as perspex, or is it a totally > > different animal? > > > > They're similar, both are trade names for a type of transparent synthetic > resin. Perspex is, I think, more similar to Lucite, or is that yet > another trade name for the same thing? > > Over the years I've used "Perspex", "Lucite" and "Plexiglass" (courtesy > of the US Air Force!) and they appear to be identical. They're all acrylic resins, but while in my possibly limited experience Perspex and Lucite seem to be trade names for much the same stuff, Plexiglass seems to be more brittle. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

21 years, 3 months

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Slightly OT: tips for fabricating with plexiglass?

by news＠computercollector.com

Thanks to all for the good advice. I don't own a drill press, and I'm not certain about which type of plastic it is (lexan, plexi, etc.) -- I used the term 'plexiglass' generically -- and I'm storing it at my father's house so it is not handy for me to check right now. Avoiding fabrication during the cold weather will also be tough, as his workbench is in the garage, and it's very cold here in New Jersey (there is no space to work on projects like this here in my tiny apartment). Maybe I'll plug in a space heater in his garage before I start drilling and such. When the project is finished (hopefully in a couple of weeks) I will post a note about it here, photos on my web site, etc. Evan ===== Tell your friends about the Computer Collector Newsletter! -- It's free and we'll never send spam or share your email address -- Publishing every Monday(-ish), ask about writing for us -- Mainframes to videogames, hardware and software, we cover it all -- W: http://news.computercollector.com E: news(a)computercollector.com -- 653 readers and counting!

21 years, 3 months

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another way to look for old stuff on the 'net

by mapleleafman＠gmail.com

There was a discussion here in the latter part of December about old sites on the web, someone asked about whether anyone had saved an old Google page. Anyway, here's a link to a site that has a massive archive of old web pages, they say they have 100 terabytes of material with 10 billion web pages saved : http://web.archive.org/collections/web.html Some of you will know about the site but others may not. I've done searches for the Apple site (now that I'm really into macs) as well as IBM and both Ebay and Google. The Ebay pages that come up still have all of the listings on them but when you try to click any individual link, you get a 'delisted' page. But the listings are still interesting. The Apple site dates back to when OS 8.6 was the cutting edge. Doesn't seem to be anything before 1996 but then there wasn't a whole lot out there before that anyway. Point of all this is that if you had an old site saved as a favorite, an owner's manual site for instance, you should be able to put in the url and get an archived copy of the old site. I know people who have been able to recoved lost/hijacked sites using this url and I hope some of you find it interesting. If something has disappeared on the modern web, it might still be at this site in the archives. BM

21 years, 3 months

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"Cold heat" soldering?

by jfoust＠threedee.com

I'd seen the commercials for this instant-on battery-powered soldering iron and wondered if I should add it to my tool box. I saw this FAQ on Thinkgeek: http://www.thinkgeek.com/files/FAQ040504.pdf which made me think twice: Q: What kind of soldering projects is this tool recommended for? A: Based on the specifications mentioned above, we recommend this tool for most electrical projects (such as wires 18-24 AWG), small jewelry repair, and larger electronic projects. We do not recommend it for soldering of large metallic components that require a lot of heat transfer or for soldering sensitive electronic components that may be damaged by fast-rising temperatures or high electrical current. (Momentary high-amperage current will be created during active soldering.) Q: What is the spark I see sometimes during soldering? A: The spark (arc) is caused by the passing of electrical current from one half of the tip to the other. Although in testing the tool’s spark did not damage any electrical or electronic components, we recommend caution when soldering sensitive components. Also, ensure that the tool is not used in flammable or explosive environments. - John

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Tandberg X-terminal software?

by toresbe＠ifi.uio.no

Hello! I just aquired not only a very cool TDV2200 (which is currently printing with its matrix printer the entire bash manpage, muahahaha, one hour and counting), but also a Tandberg X-terminal - this terminal needs a boot image that is to be served to it at startup. Apparently this came on a CD-ROM - does anyone have the boot files or the CDROM? TIA! -- Tore S Bekkedal <toresbe(a)ifi.uio.no>

21 years, 3 months

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Slightly OT: tips for fabricating with plexiglass?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 15 2005, 18:51, Computer Collector Newsletter wrote: > I've heard some horror stories about whole (expensive!) sheets of plexiglass > simply breaking in half when incorrectly drilled through. The guy at the > plastic supply company tried selling me a special drill bit, but I'm hesitant > about that. Does anyone has hands-on experience and tips (vs. just > speculation) about working with this stuff? This computer will be on display > as some public events, so the final appearance is very important. The biggest problem is likely to be as the drill bit breaks through. If you look at the end of a twist drill you'll see that the centre doesn't cut in the same way as the edges, and it's the force of the centre distorting the plastic as it breaks through that causes cracks. The other problem is if you don't have enough control of the drill, and the bit "snatches". Tips: use a really sharp bit drill a small pilot hole first, and maybe enlarge that to some intermediate size so the pilot hole is a little larger than the point of the final drill put the plexiglass on a smooth block of wood or spare plexiglass, hold it down *firmly*, and drill through into the wood (make sure there's no swarf from earlier holes trapped between the plexiglass and the sacrificial material) run the drill slowly enough to avoid generating heat, but keep just enough pressure on it to ensure it keeps cutting, and doesn't rub use a drill press, not a hand-held drill practice on a piece of scrap first I drill lots of plastics, some very brittle, this way. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

21 years, 3 months

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Linux and growth of Internet

by classiccmp＠crash.com

Sellam Ismail wrote: . > I can make a really good argument ... that e-mail could never have > gotten as big ... as it did without the modern (1990+) Internet, > which could not have gotten where it is today with Linux. I assume that was supposed to be "without Linux." I'll bet someone like Tom Jennings will have a totally different take on this than I do, too. [ Ah, there's his note... Clearly I've been editing this response too long. ] Where to start... I disagree about the growth of the Internet not being possible without Linux. It would have been different, perhaps, but I honestly don't think it would have changed enough to surprise someone who popped into a Linux-less parallel universe as regards email and the Internet. Might have changed a lot more regarding the popularity of open source software, but that's a different discussion. I think that the growth of email and the Internet in everyday life rode two big trends. One is the rise of CompuServe and AOL, which I'll leave for another discussion. The second was the rise of small scale ISPs in the 1993-1994 timeframe, at least in the Northeastern US, and that they were offering raw dialup IP connections. They'd give you a POP account, maybe shell access, and that set the stage to a great degree for non-corporate, non-academic participation in the Web when it came on-stage. Regular folk with Windows/Mac machines were signing up for these accounts, not just tech weenies, for all the reasons that email was popular. No long distance charges, asynchronous between sender and receiver, faster than the post, etc. I recall some who were downloading freeware and shareware like crazy, but the major thrust for this non-tech segment I observed appeared to be email, with some IRC/chat junkies. This led a gentle but steady ramp that was ready to explode with the advent of Web browsers. And the low-usage email customers were what supported the model, not the high-usage geeks who would try to nail up connections all the time for the low-ball prices. Why don't I think Linux was a major factor in this? Surely many of these ISPs used Linux? Well, maybe so. The ones I dealt with would use whatever they could get their hands on to provide the backend services they needed, and didn't care what they had to use to do it. No Linux? Hey, that free thing 386BSD works, or this 1993 fork called NetBSD. But to be honest, most of the time they very, very grudgingly spent the money for Sun gear, at least for the most critical machines/services. And then ran them without any service contract or spares on-hand, which always made me cringe... At least, this is what I ran across in my adventures, your mileage obviously varied. But again, I wouldn't give Sun credit for the spread of the 'Net and email either, for the same reason. If it hadn't been Sun, it would have been something else, and I ran into odd bits of DEC and SGI here and there. I think there were several factors coming to bear, like the NSF AUP changes, like the appearance of PCs with IP stakcs in many more homes, like falling prices for the low-end leased lines that the new ISPs depended would massively oversubscribe... ;^) You want a technical change to point to? I'd point to TCP/IP coming to Windows and the Mac. (Yes it had started much earlier, but it was now getting easier and more reliable.) I'd point to terminal servers getting good SLIP/PPP and connection accounting support. And whatever it was that prompted the Baby Bells to start providing DS0 lines and fractional T1 loops to anybody who could scratch up the cash, if that was in fact a technical change. Would many companies have done things differently without Linux? Sure. But even so, I think it would have happened at a slightly reduced pace with *BSD under the cloud of the USL/UCB lawsuit and the high price of a BSDI license -- which when I looked at it was closer to $1,000 per host, not $100 for a site license! (Might have been a built-in support cost, memory is fuzzy...) The hardware savings alone would have continued to make that a compelling combination versus $10-20k for Sun workstation. Okay, I've spouted off enough for now. I'm curious to see what other responses come in, and what others remember from that time, now as on-topic as anything else since it's more than 10 years ago. Gulp! --Steve.

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Fabricating with plastics

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Been following the discussion on fabbing HV assemblies with plexiglass. There's another type of plastic called 'Delrin' that's very hard, very durable, has high temperature resistance, and it machines, drills and cuts as easily and cleanly as aluminum (better, in many cases). I used Delrin blocks to fabricate the insulators for a high-current diode isolator bank. While that application was high-current/low-voltage, Delrin's dielectric strength is huge. It's rated for 380V/mil in that regard, and it has a resistivity rating of 1x10 to the 14th ohms per centimeter. I don't see any reason why it would be unsuitable for high-voltage insulator assemblies as well as high-current. Keep the peace(es). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech do/t c=o=m "If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped with surreal ports?"

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Original TV Typewriter

by swtpc6800＠comcast.net

I have added more information on Don Lancaster's original TV Typewriter to my web site. http://www.swtpc.com/mholley/RadioElectronics/TV_Typewriter.htm I have put up the complete set of plans, the 24 page booklet you had to send away for. http://www.swtpc.com/mholley/TV_Typewriter/TV_Typewriter_Reprint.htm I have 300 dpi and 600 dpi tiff files but they are very large. Ask if you want them. There is a real copy on eBay now with a starting price of 1.95. (Item number: 5744207804.) I already have two copies so I won't be bidding. I also have some pictures of a real TV Typewriter build by Bob Rethemeyer. http://www.swtpc.com/mholley/TV_Typewriter/Rethemeyer.htm Michael Holley www.swtpc.com/mholley

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Data recovery on Toshiba T3100 laptop

by dave04a＠dunfield.com

>Hello, cctech! > >I recently recieved a call from a friend of a friend regarding a laptop >that has come into her posession after a coworker of her died. She was >doing some sort of environmental research, and all her work is stored on >this computer. > >I tried taking the path of turning it on and just doing a copy that way. >No such luck - the plasma display has a garbled and not stable display - >text is garbled to the point that I can't read it, and it basically >looks like it's about to go straight to hell. It does boot from harddisk >- I feared that the plasma might be sensitive to power variations or >something like that, and thus tried getting the machine apart. > ... >Is the floppy drive 1.44M? If it's a T3100 (8Mhz), the floppy drive is 720k - if it's a T3100E (12Mhz), the floppy drive should be 1.44M. If it boots to DOS, or you can get to a DOS prompt (ALT-F4/Enter in Win 3.x), then you should be able to communicate with the DOS prompt via a terminal on the serial port: CTTY COM1 [I recall that the default speed is somewhat low, but it won't really matter as long as you can figure out what it is with your terminal emulator - if you like you can blind-type a MODE command first to set the serial parameters] Once you get to a DOS prompt, you can format diskettes and copy files to them - Don't try to run any non-command-line software! Another option would be to use INTERLNK - you can "blind type" the MODE and COPY CON: commands required for RCOPY and then run INTERSVR, or you can prepare a DOS boot disk that runs INTERSVR in the AUTOEXEC and boot the machine from floppy. You could also use the boot disk approach to get LAPLINK running on the machine etc... As long as the machine is still actually running, it shouldn't be that hard to get the data off - Enjoy the LSI-11. Regards, -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Collector of vintage computing equipment: http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html

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Troubleshooting an IBM 5155 - (portable personal computer)

by CCTalk＠catcorner.org

> From: Fred Cisin [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] > Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 2:59 PM > > > Now, by disassembling and cleaning the B: drive, I was able > > to get the machine booting off this drive (cabled as A:). > > However, the same cleaning procedure on the A: drive did > > not allow it to boot. I still have to clean > > the heads. Maybe that'll make a difference. If not, I think > > I may have other Qume drives without the IBM monniker on > > them that I can swap the bezels with. I just have to dig > > through the cabinent and see what'll fit. > > THe early, original Qumetrak 142 drives have my nomination > for the second > to worst drive ever, coming in right after the early versions > of the BASF 2/3 height drives. > The Qume drive was SO slow, that PC-DOS 2.10 had to extend > the times to prevent timeouts on normal disk I/O. Well, I just went through the "closet-o-drives" and I don't have any other Qumes laying around. Furthermore, the DS/DD drives I do have the card edge connector on the wrong side. The included cable is not long enough to plug one of these in and leave the one working original drive. Does anyone have the service manual online for this drive? I would really like to get the Qume drive working, but don't know where to go next. I guess I could swap the boards between the two units, but that'll only tell me if it is electronic or electro-mechanical. Other than that, any suggestions for figuring out if it is alignment, broken sensor, or something electrical? Here is what's happening with this drive: The computer goes through it's mem-test, then advances the head. The head retracts, then the system immediately dumps to cassette basic. It doesn't even seek again. I don't have an oscilloscope handy, and wouldn't know exactly what to look for anyway. Thanks for any help. Kelly

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Troubleshooting an IBM 5155 - (portable personal computer)

by dave04a＠dunfield.com

>Other than that, any suggestions for figuring out if it is alignment, broken >sensor, or something electrical? IIRC, you mentioned that the other drive works, and you were able to boot DOS? If so, setup the faulty drive as drive B:, boot DOS, and try formatting a blank disk in the B: drive - if it works and you can read/write files to the drive, the it is probably just a little out of alignment (You will probably find that the disks it makes cannot be accessed on other drives). Assuming this doesn't work, what error message does DOS give whwn trying to access the drive? Also, normally the system will try much longer to access the drive if it is seeing sector pulses - if it behaves pretty much the same with the diskette in as with it out, then you may have an index sensor problem. With power off, manually move the head out some distance from track-0 - does it step back when the system starts - does it perform the "Seek test" at power- up and does it look and sound exactly like the other drive? - if no to any of these, perhaps there is a problem in stepping/track select, track-0 sensor. Also, "scopes are your friend" - of you have one, take a look at what is going on at the interface when you try and access the drive - you should see the select line go low, look for index pulese, step pulses, track-0 detect, data >from the drive etc. - it might be fairly obvious what the problem is. I assume you have already done this, but clean the head, and check all connectors for even a little corrosion (edge, head, steppers etc.), especially if it has been sitting around for a long time - same goes for config jumpers and option blocks A good cleaning often does wonders! Regards, Dave -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Collector of vintage computing equipment: http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html

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Data recovery on Toshiba T3100 laptop

by dave04a＠dunfield.com

>> Set it up on two working computers to get the cable and two boot >> floppies correctly configured. Not easy, but you'll never have to do it >> again -- just boot the floppies. > >Assuming INTERSVR configures one of the serial or parallel ports properly >upon booting... It should, as the T3100 ports I believe look like standard hardware (I can set it up and get it working if you want me to verify etc.). Worse case, you can set ports and serial speed on the command line, so it might take a few tries with the boot disk - but you should be able to get it working. Regards, DAve -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Collector of vintage computing equipment: http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html

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Troubleshooting an IBM 5155 - (portable personal computer)

by CCTalk＠catcorner.org

OK, for a little on topic. Before I go tearing the whole machine apart..... I am the proud new owner of a nice example of the IBM 5155. This thing is in pretty good shape. Turned it on, A: did a quick seek and the I was into BASIC. So far, so good. Now, I'm trying to boot DOS. I have several known good DOS 3.1 boot floppies on 360K disks. I keep an old 486 with a 360K drive just for this (and for creating disks for my Tandy model 4). Anyway, the original A: drive only gives a "boot failure". The B: drive (after a cable swap) boots sometimes. Taking out these drives looks to be a MAJOR undertaking. Not along the lines of multiple years, but they are pretty securly installed. However, I'd like to keep them because they have the IBM faceplate. Now, for the questions... Are these Qume drives subject to any known failure? Should I just dig in, remove these drives and give them a good cleaning and lubricating? I'm used to working with the big 8" drives, where everything is a bit larger. What is the best way to clean the heads? Lint free swab and 90% Isopropyl alchohol? Cleaning disk? Nail file ;-) What's the consensus? Any suggestions or comments in general about this machine? Thanks, Kelly

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Nova 4 system

by ICS＠Core.com

Anyone have any news about the fate of the Nova 4 system in Bakersfield? ,George

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Troubleshooting an IBM 5155 - (portable personal computer)

by CCTalk＠catcorner.org

> From: John Allain [mailto:allain@panix.com] > Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 9:59 AM > > > Any suggestions or comments in general about this machine? > > I gave myself 30 minutes to get one of those going once. > I got access to just about all subsystems/components in that time. > The coolest thing that really made me like the machine was that the > video monitor was IIRC 5V,NTSC in, picture out. Very easy to use. You're correct about disassembly. It was much easier than I thought. The biggest problem was getting to the drive mounting bolts on the side by the expansion cards. After removing all the cards, there was just enough room for a socket and ratchet to fit in there. > - - - > You might want to try Rewriting fresh floppies on a true 360K drive, > heat,time, and 1.2M drives all can degrade the data to some degree. I do use a 360K drive in my 486 just for creating these discs. I guess I wasn't clear on this. Now, by disassembling and cleaning the B: drive, I was able to get the machine booting off this drive (cabled as A:). However, the same cleaning procedure on the A: drive did not allow it to boot. I still have to clean the heads. Maybe that'll make a difference. If not, I think I may have other Qume drives without the IBM monniker on them that I can swap the bezels with. I just have to dig through the cabinent and see what'll fit. > > John A. > Thanks, Kelly

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Good deal on DEC VT520 terminals

by vcf＠siconic.com

I've got a surplus of these DEC VT520 terminals that I'd like to clear out of here so I'm proposing what I think is a good deal. Normally I sell them for $25 each but I'll offer TWO for the low low price of only $35 plus shipping. Since the keyboard for these things is about 2.5 times the width of the terminal itself, and because the terminals don't weigh that much, shipping will not be too much more than shipping for just one. So you actually get a pretty good deal here. But you have to buy two ;) For more information on the DEC VT520, check out my VCM listing: http://marketplace.vintage.org/view.cfm?ad=1158 If you're interested, let me know and I'll setup the listing on the VCM so you can go nab it. I'll create the listings on an as-requested basis to save myself time. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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Convex Meta Series Cabinet

by vcf＠siconic.com

I got in a Convex Meta Series 19" cabinet. It's in terrific condition and has a cool black and metallic silver color scheme. Unfortunately, the rest of the Convex has been gutted :( And not by me, BTW. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem terribly useful as a generic cabinet for non-Convex stuff. It doesn't have standard rails for mounting your basic rackmount type gear. It has a power supply at the base that used to power the Convex, and also has four power strips lining the back side. A very nice cabinet, but of limited use unless you're a Convex junkie. So if anyone wants it, it's yours. Because of its weight, I doubt you'd want to ship it, in case you're really after one for some ridiculous reason. If you do want me to ship it, e-mail me privately and we'll discuss. Otherwise, any local takers come and get it. If it isn't gone by next week, off to the scrapyard :( Photo available upon request. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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Off-topic but On-topic (list stuff)

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Is anyone aware of a *nix program to go through mailbox format mail files, and removing duplicate emails (I would guess by message id). In addition, I'd like to split up a single very large mbox file into separate chunks, say... 200mb each. Would be nice if the program would show the date ranges of emails in the chunk. Yes, I can write something like this, but before I spend the time on it I was wondering if anyone had, or knew of, a tool to do this. I'm trying to get the complete mailing list archives in order. There are definitely chunks of the archives missing (so if anyone has a complete set back to the start, just send them to me on CD *grin*). There's always been a few chunks missing, and I'd really like to get it all back together for the new server. Plus, set up some stuff to automate maintenance of the raw mbx's which are running "just a tad large" right now. Thanks for any help.... (off list please) Jay West

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<< Nova 4/X rescue >>

by bkr＠WildHareComputers.com

G'day Latent "Nova-heads" - A "distress rescue situation" exists for a Nova 4/X system , dual 9-track tape drives, top-loader disk drive in a 3-bay rack, in Bakersfield, CA. I was told by a representative of the owner of this system that it will be trashed or "donated to a local charity" by Saturday. Please contact me off-list for more details if you can help save this nice system. Bruce Bruce Ray Wild Hare Computer Systems, Inc. bkr(a)WildHareComputers.com ...preserving the Data General legacy: www.NovasAreForever.com

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The Little Garden / TLGnet Inc.

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: aek(a)spies.com > > > > >> Remember 'the little garden'? > >Great little Chinese place on El Camino just before Arastradero. > >RIP > > Hi Some how, I am missing the context of the "The Little Garden / TLGnet Inc." messages. What the heck is all this about? Dwight

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Data recovery on Toshiba T3100 laptop

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 15 2005, 0:04, Tom Jennings wrote: > > [ Attachment (text/plain): 1058 bytes > Character set: X-UNKNOWN ^^^^^^^^^ Where did that come from? :-) > I assume this thing runs Windows? Any idea what version? It could easily be DOS. Frameworks was a DOS office applications suite. IIRC it included a word processor, a spreadsheet, and a basic database. Borland bought out Ashton Tate but they kept Frameworks as a DOS suite. I think Frameworks is still around, and it should run under windows, so if Tore can get the files off the machine they should be usable. Ah yes, I've just found www.framework.com (they seem to have dropped the "s"). Tore, I think you should ask around and see if anyone has an old copy you could borrow. > ??? isn't this an LCD laptop? I can't imagine the interface > to the screen is anything but proprietary. A lot of older Toshibas are plasma displays. Tore said this one is plasma, so it must be fairly old and probably runs DOS or Windows 3.1. I agree, Kermit might not be a bad way to get the files off. The .exe file from MS-Kermit will easily fit on a 720K floppy, and version 3.15 will also run under Win95 (and probably XP, I can't remember if I tried that last time I used it because I upgraded the old bench PC to Linux after a few days). You can get it from http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

21 years, 3 months

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The start of PANIX, the NYC ISP

by classiccmp＠crash.com

John Allain and others mentioned PANIX recently on the 90's Internet Boom thread. I got a response from my friend David Spector, who helped out with Panix. At the time he was working as a UNIX system manager and senior systems programmer at NYU's business school. David identified the systems used as the Mac IIfx, but the IIfx wasn't introduced until 1990. The IIx was introduced in late 1988. Since he pegs the time as early 1988, the machines in question must be a Mac II with PMMU; David still has the receipts somewhere and might verify this sometime. This period would correspond with the announcement of A/UX in February of 1998. (These introduction dates are taken from the book Apple Confidential 2.0 by Owen Linzmayer.) Here's what David had to say: =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= With regard to PANIX... In a nutshell, I helped start PANIX, which was funded by my old friend Alexis Rosen, by supplying the developer discount that bought a couple of MacIIfx's. I provided the UNIX expertise to get everything up and running; they ran A/UX and we used nuBus-based serial cards (name escapes me at the moment... I'll surely remember it later). At the time I was the Senior Systems Programmer at NYU's Graduate School of Business (long before it was the "Stern School of Business." The original machines lived for a while on my dining room table in my 5th floor walkup on 18th St & 8th Ave in Chelsea and used my spare lines with a couple of Zyxcel 9600bps modems until we got the machines configured correctly and did all sorts of hacking on the serial drivers for those (at the time) very kool (now, they would be dreadful) serial boards. After the systems were set up we moved everything to Jim Baumbach's Brooklyn Height's basement where we had 16 phone lines brought in. The MacIIfx's lived on top of a hand-wired plexus UNIX machine that Jim had liberated from one of his past lives. At the time (late 80s) the only other interesting dial-up in NY was Echo (East Coast Hang Out) run by Stacey Horn; I mean there were lots of BBSes but nothing at all resembling either Echo or PANIX. Echo, by the way, was considered by most people to be the East Coast equiv. of TheWell. I had an account on echo for a zillion years... still have my panix account too, of course.. As an ex-Systems Programmer from Courant (the NYU Academic Computing Facility) I arranged for Panix to get mail and news from NYU via UUCP (Bill Russell, a great friend and mentor, was NYU's Network Manager); the path was ...ihnp4!{cmcl2,acf4}!panix. They didn't get a real Internet connection until the ARPAnet/NSFNet split happened and the rules loosened up which if I recall correctly was a UUNet connection in about 1990. ..ah! those were the days... feel free to pass on to whomever might be interested in such historical tidbits. David HM Spector =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

21 years, 3 months

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Off-topic but On-topic (list stuff)

by aek＠spies.com

> Thanks for any help.... (off list please) -- actually, I'd be interested in this as well, since I have mail going back to the early 80's

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Hayes "Government model" MODEM?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I stopped at a surplus place today and found a NIB Hayes "Government Model" 2400 baud MODEM. The box says "Government Use Only". Does anybody know what the story is about that? Joe

21 years, 3 months

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The Little Garden / TLGnet Inc.

by Innfogra＠aol.com

I really enjoyed the history and reading the minutes. Glad you saved them. Older than 10 years also. Thanks, Paxton Astoria, OR

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