- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by news＠computercollector.com

Hi folks, Just an FYI, I updated the list of vintage computing events at the newsletter web site. Go to http://news.computercollector.com and click 'events' in the 'about us' section. Please send me an off-list message if you're aware of other (non-gaming) events that should be included. - Evan ===== Tell your friends about the Computer Collector Newsletter! -- It's free and we'll never send spam or share your email address -- Publishing every Monday(-ish), ask about writing for us -- Mainframes to videogames, hardware and software, we cover it all -- W: http://news.computercollector.com E: news(a)computercollector.com -- 665 readers and counting!

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classiccmp server upgrade

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

It did not go well. One of the screws in the boot drive removable tray stripped out. That taught me to always check the torque setting on the screwdriver. I had to go back home to get a GraBit and dig it out. When I got back to the datacenter... I found that the new disk controller for some reason absolutely refuses to work at all in the classiccmp motherboard. No clue why - tested it in other machines and it works fine. Just not in the classiccmp server. This puts me in the fun position of having a perfectly functioning system sans drives, and weeks of work (data) on a set of drives - neither of which can be connected together. The only thing I can think of is a new M/B but I really don't want to do that. I'll call escalade/3ware on monday. Wasted day. Everything was finally put back the way it was. I'll keep ya'll posted. Jay

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Using 3.5" HD drives on CP/M systems

by randy＠s100-manuals.com

I have tried to get a quorum on comp.os.cpm but there are only a few with any opinions. We all agree that 3.5" drives are a viable way to go. Many prefer to never change from 8" drives. I am running the SuperIO (www.imsai.net), it is a new Imsai card and uses a PC controller. I have a variety of CP/M systems with a variety of storage mediums. The point is for those of us that use 3.5" HD drives should try and come to a consensus for a "standardized" format. Questions such as sector size and numbering come to mind. With more PC's dropping 3.5" drives does that mean there will be a limit to new drives all together? Are USB drives a reasonable option. I've been using Flash ROM cards (on both my SuperIO system and coming up now on my eZ80 Acclaim) and I am hoping to come up with a scheme for sharing data with PC's. I like Flash cards since digital cameras should help support continue on PC's. I'm also looking into IDE based CD/DVD drives but they are a one way road since I do not believe CP/M systems will ever write them. I am trying to build a quorum of technically minded CP/M users to try and develop a semi-standard and other ideas. Randy

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Tandy Xenix Basic

by CCTalk＠catcorner.org

I know I promised a disk image of this if I was able to read it. I now have the disk image (SingleSided/DoubleDensity) dd imaged, but can't for the life of me figure out who it was. If it was anyone on the list, please reply privately. I already asked on the comp.sys.tandy newsgroup. Thanks, Kelly

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NTSC test pattern generator on VCD?

by cb＠mythtech.net

> Now I wouldn't mind a real colorbar generator, but a >algorithmically-generated MPEG would be adequate for non-broadcast >use, surely. > >Does anyone know of the existence of such a thing? Theoretically, one >could perhaps generate a "proper" still image from a program like >GIMP/Paint/Photoshop, etc... then use a movie tool to generate >'frames' from it, then make an MPEG to play the image as long as one >would like (a VCD or SVCD is around 45 min on a CD-R blank) - >presto... el-cheapo color bars. I know there are DVD test discs out there that have test patterns on them. This would actually be fairly trivial for me to whip up on my computer. I just did a quick google search and the first hit had a downloadable GIF of the standard color bar pattern. I could toss a 1 MHz tone (IIRC that is the right freq, I'll have to look it up to be sure) in the background, and loop it in Quicktime, then output to VCD. If you really want one, let me know, I can build you a VCD this weekend and mail you a copy. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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NTSC test pattern generator on VCD?

by ethan.dicks＠gmail.com

All, I was tweaking the knobs on a Panasonic "Color Video Monitor" (NTSC/"VTR input" version of a Panasonic 19" TV marketed to the AV crowd, not the home consumer), and I realized that since I don't have any genuine TV diagnostic tools, but I do have modern things like a DVD player that can play CDs, etc, wouldn't it be handy to have a VCD of color bars, etc., as a reference to adjust composite-input devices? Now I wouldn't mind a real colorbar generator, but a algorithmically-generated MPEG would be adequate for non-broadcast use, surely. Does anyone know of the existence of such a thing? Theoretically, one could perhaps generate a "proper" still image from a program like GIMP/Paint/Photoshop, etc... then use a movie tool to generate 'frames' from it, then make an MPEG to play the image as long as one would like (a VCD or SVCD is around 45 min on a CD-R blank) - presto... el-cheapo color bars. Also, if there is another technique to do this (without having to have a live, NTSC-emitting classic computer generating it real-time), I'm all ears. I don't technically mind having to fire up a C-64 to pump out colors, but, that one, in particular, may or may not have pure enough colors to do the job properly. Even an Atari 800 might not be close enough, but at least it has a larger palette. I'd rather just use a dedicated device that doesn't have to rely on a custom program in ROM or on a disk, such as this Apex 1100-W DVD player, a handy dictionary-sized box that just displays a picture when you throw in a disc. Technically speaking, though, since this device also plays JPG picture discs, I could burn a disc with one file, a JPG of color bars... that might not be too hard to find. As for the specific idea of building an MPG of color bars, thanks for any tips and pointers, -ethan

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Burroughs on TV

by Innfogra＠aol.com

"Made in America" is the Program and the computer company is Burroughs.

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Help to ID Emulex board

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 29 2005, 10:05, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > > What is this board? > > Made by Emulex. Has ASSY# SU0210401. ROM on board says "SC0210201-AXC W/ > Boot Strap". > > Has on top two 26-pin connectors and one 60-pin. Emulex SC02 controller for two SMD drives. I think the "SU" means Unibus, but I can't remember. It could be an SC02/A, SC02/C, or some other version. The ROMs determine which version; the different versions make the drives appear as different types: RK06/06, RM02/03, MSCP, ... And your one has (or had) the bootstrap ROM (a small TTL PROM, IIRC). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Stellar GS-1000 Graphics Computer

by vcf＠siconic.com

Is anyone interesting in acquiring a Stellar Computers Inc. GS-1000 graphics supercomputer circa the mid-1980s? There's not a whole lot of information online but it basically was a vector processing special purpose graphics computer used for generating intense graphics. If you want it, it's yours. Free. Local pick-up prefered. If you want me to ship it you'll have to reimburse me for my time in a reasonable manner. Be groovy, reply off-line. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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possible classiccmp server maintenance

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I'm going to head down to the datacenter in a bit to look into the hard drive migration. Of course, I have to have that riser card and it's not here. So if I get down there and it's not there I'll try to do the upgrade tomorrow. If it is there, I will try to do the upgrade in about an hour. So if the list goes down in an hour, you know I found the riser card and it'll be down for a bit :) Jay

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Help to ID Emulex board

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Gotta be an SMD disk controller. I think SC-21 is for UNIBUS. MS

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Using an IBM PCjr wireless keyboard

by cb＠mythtech.net

>For the wireless PCjr >keyboard, I don't have the thingey that would connect to the PC. > > Has anyone ever tried to use the PCjr wireless keyboard on a modern >system? Any recommentations? It has been a while since I've looked at my PCjr, but IIRC, the IR receiver is built into the chassis of the PCjr. Thus, there is nothing to "connect" to the PC, and thus, it would be improbable that you could use the PCjr keyboard wirelessly with a modern PC. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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HP 21MX E-series front panel keyboards

by peterbrown10＠hotmail.com

Hi All, How many types of front panel keyboard were used with the 2113 E-series CPU? I have one in front of me that has two ribbon cables that run from the keyboard PCB to the CPU PCB (one from the top edge of the keyboard PCB one >from the bottom edge) but I seem to remember having seen other 2113 CPU's where the keybaord PCB is smaller and a single cable runs from the bottom edge of the keyboard to the CPU PCB. What I'm trying to do is find a 'short' front panel to replace the 'embedded' keybaord of a 5420 Signal Analyser and turn it back into an mini E-series CPU. I had assumed that I would be able to unbolt the top of a 2113 front panel and use just the keyboard portion of the assembly but the PCB behind the keyboard that I have turns out to be too tall! Is there is shorter one available. Can anyone shed any light on this one? Cheers Peter Brown

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NTSC test pattern generator on VCD?

by dave04a＠dunfield.com

At 23:00 28/01/2005 -0500, you wrote: >All, > >I was tweaking the knobs on a Panasonic "Color Video Monitor" >(NTSC/"VTR input" version of a Panasonic 19" TV marketed to the AV >crowd, not the home consumer), and I realized that since I don't have >any genuine TV diagnostic tools, but I do have modern things like a >DVD player that can play CDs, etc, wouldn't it be handy to have a VCD >of color bars, etc., as a reference to adjust composite-input devices? > >Does anyone know of the existence of such a thing? There are a number of diagnostic DVD's intended to setup your home theater. I have an older one called "Avia" which has a fairly wide range of video and audio tests - It does color bars and numerous other video tests, and comes with colored filters that you use to look at the screen during some of the color tests. Regards, Dave -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Collector of vintage computing equipment: http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html

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Available in Arnhem(NL)

by hofmanwb＠worldonline.nl

Hi All, A charity here in Arnhem wants to scrap the following stuff: 1 WHSMITH Computer Program Data Recorder 2 Toshiba Plotter Printer HX-P570 3 Philips VG-8020 homecomputer (MSX) 4 Goldstar FC-200 Personal Computer 5 Ancona KG533/00B screen with tulip plugs for CVBS In and Audio In, Scart plug 6 Ancona KG520/00B screen with tulip plugs for CVBS In and Audio In 7 Philips 7BM723 screen (with 6pole Din plug input) 8 Philips CM833 screen with tulip plugs for CVBS In and Audio in, Scart plug,8 pole Din plug 9 a number of MDA screens 10 a CGA screen Contact me if you would want some. A charity being a charity they would appreciate some donation. Wim

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CS-600HD tapes

by ltroth＠socal.rr.com

Don Back in May of 2003 you indicated that you had a box of Maxell digital cassette tapes. Do you still have these? Are you interested in selling them? I could pay by PayPal or check. Please let me know. Larry Troth Chatsworth, California

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Burroughs on TV

by Innfogra＠aol.com

Talk about short, 3 or 4 minutes I think. The talked about the early years and ended with the B5000. You really can't summarize Burroughs in that short of time. They did recommend The Computer Museum in San Diego. I captured the segment in VHS Video but have no way of posting it. Paxton Astoria, OR

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Keypunches in St Louis on TV

by Innfogra＠aol.com

"Made in USA" ( a TV Program) on the Travel Channel promises something with pictures of keypunches in this current segment. 8:00 - 8:30 PST

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cctech Digest, Vol 17, Issue 28

by list＠saracom.com

>From: Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks(a)gmail.com> >Subject: Re: VT320 Terminal RS232 Receiver >To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> >Message-ID: <f4eb766f05012615515fe34742(a)mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > >On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:47:31 -0500, list(a)saracom.com <list(a)saracom.com> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I managed to feed -48VDC into the data receive pin of my > > VT320 at work. So of course the magic smoke came out. > >Ow! Yea, did not make my day. We do telecom testings. Most everything is -48VDC battery powered. So I managed to accident get the battery power across the equipment's frame ground and it then put the voltage on the receive pins and lord knows what else. > > Which chip is the receiver chip? > >If the VT320 is like its predecessors (VT220...), it uses 9636 and >9637 chips, *not* 1488s and 1489s. I do not recall off the top of my >head which one is Tx and which one is Rx, but if you get the pinouts >for the chips, it should only take a couple of minutes to determine >which is which by using a continuity tester/VOM to trace out the input >pin from the interface jack. Both the 9636 and 9637 are 8 pin DIPs, >so it wouldn't even take that long *without* a chip pinout. You just >need to know which is the RxD input from the outside world... the chip >that's attached to that would be the fried one. > >Also... you might be able to spot a pinhole or other mechanical damage... I found the two drivers chips (9636). They had a different number but they cross-listed to the 9636s. There was another 8 pin chip between the two and the traces look like they might run to it. So its probably the receiver. However it has a number different than the 9637. I of course forgot to write it down. So is life. Anyway might be a mute point for now as I remembered I have another VT320 in the shed with a bad tube. Anyway, Digikey lists the 9637 as available so I might try fixing the board as a spare. Thanks for the help. Of I will also put sockets in.

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VT320 Terminal RS232 Receiver

by list＠saracom.com

> >Message: 22 >Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:06:59 -0800 >From: "Bruce Lane" <kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com> > > MC1488 or 1489, I don't recall which one's the receiver (I think > it's the 1488). Usually mounted fairly close to the RS232 port. > > Happy hunting. Thanks Bruce. Many of the DEC terminals don't use the 1488 and 1489 for the receiver and driver. This one doesn't. But thanks for the quick input. Max

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by vp＠cs.drexel.edu

"Randy McLaughlin" <randy(a)s100-manuals.com> wrote: > [...] PostScript is useless in this > case since the documents are stored as graphical images and cannot be used > on the classic computers. What???? What makes you think that "classic computers" are character based? I don't want to start a "my machine supported graphics earlier than yours", but as a datapoint, I used a PERQ for my undergrad project in the early 80s. Since this was running Unix V7 (or smth close), I am sure you can get a postscript viewer running on it (or a tiff viewer for that matter), while you'd have no chance in hell of getting Acrobat Reader for it. Which gives me a nice excuse to repeat my favorite line: I use open source software not because it is free, but because I get to keep the code (so I do not depend on the code author to port the software to newer/different/stranger platforms). **vp

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Fw: Congress looking at Orphaned Books

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Sorry that's on books ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keys" <jrkeys(a)concentric.net> To: "cctalk@classiccmp" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 6:42 PM Subject: Congress looking at Orphaned Software > Seen on the m100 list: > > The Copyright Office of the Library of Congress, at the request of > Senators Leahy and Hatch, are requesting comments on the problem of > Orphaned (Copyrighted) Works. > > http://www.copyright.gov/fedreg/2005/70fr3739.html >

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Congress looking at Orphaned Software

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Seen on the m100 list: The Copyright Office of the Library of Congress, at the request of Senators Leahy and Hatch, are requesting comments on the problem of Orphaned (Copyrighted) Works. http://www.copyright.gov/fedreg/2005/70fr3739.html

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by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

der Mouse <mouse(a)rodents.montreal.qc.ca> wrote: > You don't need Acrobat, no matter what a bunch of webpages may claim. > GhostScript groks PDFs just fine. > > Indeed, ghostscript comes with a script that eats PDF and produces PS. The problem is that PS recreated from PDF can never be as good as the original PS from which the PDF was made. I'm not saying that PDF should be banned, making a file format illegal would be just as much against Cosmic Law as making a weed illegal. What infuriates me is that people have PS and they ASSUME that I want PDF instead, and they convert their PS to PDF and send me the PDF and not PS. I want the original PS! MS

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by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 28 2005, 10:47, Computer Collector Newsletter wrote: > >>>> who actually _USE_ our classic computers for our day-to-day work > > Do you mean you use a classic computer as your ** primary ** machine, or just > that you happen to use it ** once in a while ** for your current work? Count me in. The machine I use most at home is the SGI Indy I bought ten years ago. The machine I use most at work is either one of a pair of SGI O2s on my desk, bought a few years later. The Indy has been expanded quite a lot, and now handles various services for family and friends as well as personal use; I use it because it's "nicer" than the Pentium which is sitting next to it running XP (which crashed and died horribly yesterday, for the second time in three months. Not bad for a machine that gets used a few times a week, and has little more than the OS+Word+Firefox loaded on it). It's also considerably easier for me to get/write most of the software I want on a real Unix box than on a Windows one. Also easier to do proper backups (ie ones that can actually be used to recover the system or parts thereof). Of course, the PC at home and a similar one at work get used for Word documents that some people send me, some web pages that older browsers on the SGI don't handle well, or that newer browsers on the SGI handle only slowly, so they're the second-most used machines, I suppose. The third-most used (discounting other SGIs I have) would probably be my Acorn Archimedes, vintage 1987, one careful owner from new, and still with a better GUI than Microsoft's. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Extra Alto Mouse & pads

by Innfogra＠aol.com

Last 14 hours and I just got a bid. I have an Alto Mouse up on eBay along with 2 Xerox mouse pads. _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5159060230&ssPageN… =STRK:MESE:IT_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5159060230&ssPageNa…) Paxton Astoria, OR Innfosale

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by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Ram Meenakshisundaram <RMeenaks(a)OLF.COM> wrote: > Friday's are really slow and for a pencil pusher like me, its extremely slow As I said, I perfectly understand and applaud you using company time for the list, what I don't understand is why do you use the company mail account rather than Telnet or SSH from work to your own machine where YOU are the god/king/czar and mail from there. That's what I did when I worked for companies. And yes, I excelled at stealing their paid time and giving it to worthy causes. MS

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by Saquinn624＠aol.com

Regarding the collection in Monroe: I am in the Renton area, and I might be able to get up there and pick up some stuff & ship, especially if someone would be able to explain little details (esp. customs) & possibly help chip in for gas (snow in the area might help, so I could get some X-country in, but I'm not expecting that to be provided by you). I would be interested in a 3/80 and possibly one of the Apples. Thread 2: A request for Deskpro 386/20e information was posted. I have docs & disks for a Deskpro 386/25 if they would be helpful (scans & dds delivered over E-mail). Some of the docs are messed up (I think they talk about ESDI disks, when the machine has IDE). Thread 3: CremeVAX is working! a little flakiness still, but it seems to have been a slightly bent pin on the KA-43 SCSI connector that shorted out only when the plug was inserted. I'm in the process of grafting on a HD-50 external SCSI connector based on the pinouts from the DEC68-centronics50 interface cable that I found online. I'm trying to figure a hack for attaching the disks to the midplane shelf that doesn't involve drilling mounting holes now (it didn't come with the bosses that fit in the slots) I'm working on scans of the XENIX docs- does anyone have tips on how to format them? my school has an ADF ScanJet (fortunately), but I don't know where to go from there. I have some stuff that I'm cleaning out: A Wyse-150 terminal. The battery died (a lithium coin-type by the looks), but it still works (hit space to clear the error beeps on powerup, or put in a new batt.) With AT type keyboard Microsoft InPort bus mouse with 8-bit ISA controller. Novell NetWare 2.2 5-user serialized with manuals, works on 286 -> 486 machines, maybe 586. Compaq ProLiant drive tray (Ultra-Wide SCSI, for SCA 1/3 ht drives) Sun SPUD-II 1/2 ht drive sled Okidata Microline 24 pin printhead, carriage, narrow-format gear rack, RS-232 interface & tractor IBM buttons and dials IBM RS/6000 7030-3CT parts (most of it, it came with my 370) Dell Latitude mini-dock SGI Indigo2 IMPACT R4k/250 32/[drive died]/Solid IMPACT Sun SPARCstation 5/110 128/2g/TGX with either SunOS 4.1.3_U1 or Solaris 2.6 More will come out later, this is just a start. I'm in Western Washington (State, USA) Some of the stuff is give-away, some is trade or $. If anyone should happen to want to trade anything, I'm interesten in (small) 88k AViiON's, DECs, SGI (especially a CDC-rebadged Indigo) or DOMAIN/OS 10.4(.1), DG/UX 88k, olde IRIX (3.3-4.0.5), NeXTStep Intel/Sun (don't have to be original). Other "interesting" things would be considered. -Scott Quinn

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by RMeenaks＠OLF.COM

>> You just ignore the lawyers and go on with life. > > No, don't ignore them, shoot them. AK47 does wonders against lawyers. I have yet to meet a lawyer with any combat skills whatsoever. Lawyers are > cowards hiding their sorry asses behind pigs (cops). But there are more of us than there are pigs! If every freedom-loving civilian took a gun and shot > the first cop he met, we can get rid of pigs in no time, since there are so many more of us than there are of them, and take our planet back! I totally agree! > No, Ram doing ClassicCmp'ing on company time is not a sin, it's a very commendable act. Stealing corporate time and giving it to Worthy Causes For The > People is noble and valiant. > > The problem is why is Ram using the corporate mail account?? Ram, install 4.3BSD-Quasijarus on your VAX (you have a VAX, don't you?), get a 56K leased > line for it, and E-mail from that! Friday's are really slow and for a pencil pusher like me, its extremely slow ;-) I reality, I usually send me personal emails (mailing lists, etc) to my corporate account as it is eaiser to deal with. Not really a sin here as they are very cool about it. And for reading classiccmp during working hours, it helps during the extremely LARGE compilation times (close to two hours) if have. Compiling our application takes a LONG time. Beats twiddling my thumbs. I don't have a VAX, but I have been meaning to finish up my standalone transputer workstation one of these days. Has access to the net, mail, X, and the like (through Helios). One of these days.. :-( Cheers, Ram PS: Forgive the .sig!!!! (c) 2005 OpenLink Financial Copyright in this message and any attachments remains with us. It is confidential and may be legally privileged. If this message is not intended for you it must not be read, copied or used by you or disclosed to anyone else. Please advise the sender immediately if you have received this message in error. Although this message and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Open Link Financial, Inc. for any loss or damage in any way arising from its use.

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by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> wrote: > If you're limiting yourself to your > VAXen and the like, the time is going to come when you won't be able to get > Hard Drives to replace dead ones. We'll build new ones with Classic interfaces. (We = Interplanetary Internationale.) MS

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by RMeenaks＠OLF.COM

It is kind of funny it adds that .sig. Does contradicts what I was posting ;-) No apologies needed. Sometimes I forget that it adds it there. The problem is I have to scroll down several pages to read a one or two line comment. It bites sometimes, especially when I am supposed to be doing REAL work instead of reading classiccmp :-) Cheers, Ram (c) 2005 OpenLink Financial Copyright in this message and any attachments remains with us. It is confidential and may be legally privileged. If this message is not intended for you it must not be read, copied or used by you or disclosed to anyone else. Please advise the sender immediately if you have received this message in error. Although this message and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Open Link Financial, Inc. for any loss or damage in any way arising from its use.

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What the heck is XP? (not the Microsoft kind)

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 1/28/05 11:32:59 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, mouse(a)rodents.montreal.qc.ca writes: XP -microsoft -windows -"extreme programming" I took this a bit farther and searched for: +XP -microsoft -windows -"extreme programming" +tektronix -phaser and found this page which talks about the Tek XP term configuration. _http://www.mi.infn.it/xterm/tekconfig.html_ (http://www.mi.infn.it/xterm/tekconfig.html) Paxton Astoria, OR

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by tomj＠wps.com

Sorry Ram, I didn't mean to criticise you; I realize that the .sig on your email-from-work is mandatory. I merely found it amusing, is all. I agree 100% with you, there's too much bloat in list mail. It's only a couple of keystrokes(*) to remove extraneous text, and it makes intent clearer when the original one or two lines is above (or below) instead of 100. (*) such as d} in vi, my classic (sic) text editor :-) Tom Jennings <tomj(a)wps.com> PS: } isn't classic vi motion, I think it's a vim extention.

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Question about Sharp PC4500 and IBM basic

by nbrowning＠cjryouth.org

This is in response to a message dated Sat Oct 19 12:32:00 2002 that I found online. I have a Sharp PC4500 but I don't have a boot disk for it. What can I do to make a boot disk for it? It seems to be working, it powers up but it wants a boot disk. Any help would be appreciated. Nathan Browning

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by RMeenaks＠OLF.COM

Can you please limit the quoting! There really isnt any need to quote the WHOLE thing.. Thanks, Ram (c) 2005 OpenLink Financial Copyright in this message and any attachments remains with us. It is confidential and may be legally privileged. If this message is not intended for you it must not be read, copied or used by you or disclosed to anyone else. Please advise the sender immediately if you have received this message in error. Although this message and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Open Link Financial, Inc. for any loss or damage in any way arising from its use.

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What the heck is XP? (not the Microsoft kind)

by kapteynr＠cboe.com

I think that you may be looking at the boot code for Tektronix X terminals. Don't delete it -- I have a nice old Tektronix XP14 terminal that powers up and self-tests, but I can't find the code to make it run X windows. That code is loaded from a server with tftp (could be a Mac or linux box) Tektronix sold their code to NCD and now NCD in closing shop. Here is some info on file names, etc: http://www.itd.bnl.gov/xterminal/tek_bfile_details.html -Rob -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Jules Richardson Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:03 AM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: What the heck is XP? (not the Microsoft kind) Anyone heard of something called XP which is X Windows related? I just found a bunch of stuff lurking under an 'XP' directory on this Tektronix and it's taking up quite a bit of disk space. (I can't think of a good way of googling without getting swamped with MS stuff) Looks to be some multi-platform *something* as there are directories for the xd88, sun3, sun4 and Ultrix under there. Nothing that gives away what it actually does though. Just trying to decide whether to move it or kill it outright (I've got it backed up within the hard drive image). Kinda curious as to what it's supposed to do though. ta Jules

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Many things

by RMeenaks＠OLF.COM

Guys, That stupid corporate .sig is NOT my sig. It is automatically added by the mail server since I am responding via my work email address. I wish there was a way to remove it, but I can't... Ram (c) 2005 OpenLink Financial Copyright in this message and any attachments remains with us. It is confidential and may be legally privileged. If this message is not intended for you it must not be read, copied or used by you or disclosed to anyone else. Please advise the sender immediately if you have received this message in error. Although this message and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Open Link Financial, Inc. for any loss or damage in any way arising from its use.

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Many things

by jingber＠ix.netcom.com

Rather arrogant comming from someone with a full-page disclaimer. It's also rather arrogant when your claim exclusive copyright on the body of the message when it clearly contains quoted text from a 3rd party. How exactly did this become your "property"? Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Ram Meenakshisundaram <RMeenaks(a)olf.com> Sent: Jan 28, 2005 11:09 AM To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: RE: Many things Can you please limit the quoting! There really isnt any need to quote the WHOLE thing.. Thanks, Ram (c) 2005 OpenLink Financial Copyright in this message and any attachments remains with us. It is confidential and may be legally privileged. If this message is not intended for you it must not be read, copied or used by you or disclosed to anyone else. Please advise the sender immediately if you have received this message in error. Although this message and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Open Link Financial, Inc. for any loss or damage in any way arising from its use.

21 years, 3 months

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What the heck is XP? (not the Microsoft kind)

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Anyone heard of something called XP which is X Windows related? I just found a bunch of stuff lurking under an 'XP' directory on this Tektronix and it's taking up quite a bit of disk space. (I can't think of a good way of googling without getting swamped with MS stuff) Looks to be some multi-platform *something* as there are directories for the xd88, sun3, sun4 and Ultrix under there. Nothing that gives away what it actually does though. Just trying to decide whether to move it or kill it outright (I've got it backed up within the hard drive image). Kinda curious as to what it's supposed to do though. ta Jules

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OT: Microfiche scanner suggestions ?

by aek＠spies.com

> Can anyone offer me any suggestions at all about selecting a microfiche scanner? I will have a reconditioned Mekel available in about two months for around $15k This is a fraction of the new price for these units.

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OT: Microfiche scanner suggestions ?

by aek＠robot.net

> Can anyone offer me any suggestions at all about selecting a microfiche scanner? I will have a reconditioned Mekel available in about two months for around $15k This is a fraction of the new price for these units.

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Many things

by RMeenaks＠OLF.COM

Actually its our stupid firewall. It automatically adds that .sig and I cant take it out either..... Ram -----Original Message----- From: John Foust [mailto:jfoust@threedee.com] Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 2:19 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: Many things At 01:09 PM 1/28/2005, Ram Meenakshisundaram wrote: >Can you please limit the quoting! There really isnt any need to quote >the WHOLE thing.. Wow. Irony abounds. 17 line .sig? :-) - John (c) 2005 OpenLink Financial Copyright in this message and any attachments remains with us. It is confidential and may be legally privileged. If this message is not intended for you it must not be read, copied or used by you or disclosed to anyone else. Please advise the sender immediately if you have received this message in error. Although this message and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Open Link Financial, Inc. for any loss or damage in any way arising from its use.

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ClassicCmp Archives

by marvin＠rain.org

Hi Jay, I emailed you a while ago, and never got a response so I am just reposting it here. I've found most of the posts to ClassicCmp going back to when I joined in 1997 a couple of months (I think) after the list was started. If you need them, I can send them to you. There are some holes but not many except for when I lost my email later last year. They run somewhere around 600 MB. Marvin > 5) Many chunks of the archives have been located on the drive. However, I am > sure there are holes of missing posts. This really torques me off. Someone > who did list maintenance before me had moved the defacto copy of the list > archives into a different spot on the server and I didn't realize they were > in an area I routinely mess up and later clean up. It's possible I deleted > them, but in any case I can't find them. Again, many of them have been > located but not all. After I finish the server drive migration, I will be > regenning all the html archives from scratch - going against the original > mbox files. If there's any posts in the archives that you want me to remove > (from time to time someone posts their home address by mistake, etc etc.) > now is the time to let me know and I'll clean the archives. After the > archives are completely reassembled, you can be damn sure I will be copying > them to DVD and sticking a copy in my vault off-site.

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Possible List Downtime

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

There is a chance (homelife schedule permitting) that I will be moving the drives from the temp classiccmp server to the new (old) classiccmp server this weekend. If I do get around to it, it would be during the day - slightly more likely sunday than saturday. Then again, I may not get to it at all this weekend. We'll see. Wanted to give a heads up in any case. When I do this, the list will be down for an hour or so if all goes well. If it doesn't go well.... could be much longer :) Bear in mind a few things: 1) There WILL be bumps. There is at least 63 separate software packages that are installed & configured on the server that provides the classiccmp services. You can bet that I (and YOU) will find snags and things will be broken for a bit (days or weeks afterwards, depending on urgency and my ability to fix). Some of the packages have been tested thoroughly, some of them I simply cant really test until they go live. You can expect some problems. 2) When I moved subscriber lists from the old server to the new server a few weeks ago, there is one setting that mailman doesn't migrate with subscriber export/import - the "no mail" flag that many of you use. So if you subscribe to both lists (silly) or have your account temporarily set to "no mail" you'll start getting mail to both until you go back and set your no mail flag. I'm not going through 1000 accounts individually by hand to preserve the nomail flag. 3) Mailman also doesn't transfer passwords it would appear. I will try to remember to force mailman to send out a password reminder after the upgrade, so hopefully you'll get your mailman password sent via email. I may forget to do this, I'm a forgetfull guy. Give me a shout if you get stuck. 4) There are a lot of classic computer related websites that I host on the classiccmp server for people at no charge. It is entirely likely that during this time period of being "half on one server, half on another"... that files & content you put on your website went to the wrong server and you'd notice it after the switch. If so, give me a shout and I'll get the content fixed for you. If the files are on one of the two servers, it's a lot faster for me to copy them than for you to reupload them. The "old" drive will be put up in a different machine on the same network, so I will be able to copy stuff easily that got stranded. Keep your shirt on. See #1 above. 5) Many chunks of the archives have been located on the drive. However, I am sure there are holes of missing posts. This really torques me off. Someone who did list maintenance before me had moved the defacto copy of the list archives into a different spot on the server and I didn't realize they were in an area I routinely mess up and later clean up. It's possible I deleted them, but in any case I can't find them. Again, many of them have been located but not all. After I finish the server drive migration, I will be regenning all the html archives from scratch - going against the original mbox files. If there's any posts in the archives that you want me to remove (from time to time someone posts their home address by mistake, etc etc.) now is the time to let me know and I'll clean the archives. After the archives are completely reassembled, you can be damn sure I will be copying them to DVD and sticking a copy in my vault off-site. 6) The newer version of mailman has a pretty much revamped logic for handling bounces and automatic subscription disables due to bounces. It will be interesting to see how that part works. Regards, Jay West

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HP7200A, HP7210A Plotter documentation needed

by wacarder＠usit.net

Does anyone on the list have any documentation on the HP7200A or HP7210A plotter? I am getting an HP7210A plotter today, but I don't have any documentation on it. It looks exactly like the 7200A, but it appears to have a few more knobs or controls on it, based on the photographs I've seen. I'll know more when I actually get my hands on it (tonight). These plotters date from the early 1970s. We had an HP7200A at Wofford College in the 1970s. Ours was mapped to KB7: and we had numerous plotting programs written in BASIC-PLUS under RSTS/E on a PDP-11/40. I have copies of all the programs that we had for interacting with the plotter. I just don't have any info on hooking it up to the computer. I'm planning on interfacing it to my PDP-11/40 via either a 20mA or an EIA DZ11 port. Thanks in advance for any insight or info that anyone can provide. Ashley

21 years, 3 months

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Problem 1 has occured ;)

by jwest＠huey.classiccmp.org

Hummm I seem to have misplaced the riser card for the server. Scrounging now...

21 years, 3 months

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IBM 029 card punch

by cc＠corti-net.de

Hi, I have here three IBM 029 card punches, two model A and one model C (with interpreter) including documentation. So far so good. I do have an additional 029 (I *think*) without covers which I would like to restore. The problem is that it is "a bit" different from the other three punches and I would like to know what model this is and if anyone has the maintenance manual for it. The mechanical part is almost the same as in the A and C models, but the keyboard has two lights, one at each side. I know that the light on the left side is an indicator for the verifier, but the one on the right side is unknown to me. It is a printing punch and has two program drums each with 12 star wheel contacts (instead of the usual 8 on the front drum). Now comes the electrical part: It is very different from the other three punches. It has more SMS cards (about 12, not including the cable cards) and many more wire relays (no reed relays and no electronic components except for some diodes, resistors and capacitors). But the most interesting feature of this unit is the "I/O" port on the rear left side. Does this ring a bell to anyone? Thanks, Christian

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M8300 repair: DEC8235 wanted

by waisun.chia＠hp.com

I recently acquired a M8300 with an IC missing. Upon investigation of the manuals and schematics, I determined it is a DEC8235. Anybody has a/some DEC8235 to spare? Are there any modern equivalents? /wai-sun

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My response: [LONGISH] Beware: dealings with Bert Thomas

by David.Kane＠aph.gov.au

> Now that that is done, lets take any further reparte's off-list. > > Regards, > > Jay West I would have to say "handled very stylishly" (clap clap clap clap clap) Davud

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My response: [LONGISH] Beware: dealings with Bert Thomas

by bert＠brothom.nl

Hi all, Here's my response: In short: Fred can simply get his stuff if he pays me the money back that I payed for him in advance (and drops his other claims). I never had any other intends. Long story: I indeed wanted to do Fred a favor back and collected the stuff for him. I try to do CS at a local university AND try to run 2 companies and try to keep customers happy and in between try to spend some time playing with my old stuff. Obviously my hobbies have the lowest priority. As I am currently very busy and can only borrow the van from time to time I decided to drop the stuff at home, which is basically halveway between the seller and Freds apartment. I admit that I should have notified Fred that I collected the stuff. Last saterday Fred called me and we had a long en kind conversation. I always enjoyed talking with Fred, as he has a lot to tell. At the end of the conversation Fred started about the stuff I collected and what his plans where for it. I said that I would like to keep some stuff of it, as Freds main reasons for buying the stuff was obtaining the Minc hardware. At least, that is what he told me. Fred reacted very excited that it was HIS stuff. I didn't expect such an excited answer and responded with "hey, I payed for it you know". If it isn't obvious, my only intend saying that was that he can have some respect for me, as I'm not his personell he can yell at. However, that got him totally aggrivated for some reason and he started threading me that he was about to say bad things about me on this list and a lot of other stuff that I had no answer to. I don't like being spoken at in that way, especially not from someone I just did a favor. So if that is what he wants to do, its his decision and he should do so. I see people on this list as very intelligent people and I assume that each of you can decide for yourself what my character is. After this weird end of the conversation on the phone, Fred send me an invoice for EUR 700,- ex VAT for repairing my PDP11 and a letter demanding the stuff. I have no problem giving Fred his stuff, but of course he simply has to pay me the money back that I payed for the stuff in advance. I do not want to pay Fred for the time spent working on my PDP11, as that was a favor for which I intended to return him this other favor. If I had known that in advance, I wouldn't have contacted Fred in the first place. When I look back on it now, I feel that Fred intentionally invited me to repair my computer, only to be able to "demand" a favor in return, as he knew I can borrow my brothers van from time to time. There is nothing wrong with that as far as I am concerned. Fred and I did more favors to each other in the past. However, I don't understand his anger and disrespect. Peace to everyone. Kind regards, Bert

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