- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

GET JOKE is here

by wdonzelli＠gmail.com

And all this trouble because someone did not read the entire joke. It was only two lines... -- Will

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Bigots & Fanatics - final round

by dm561＠torfree.net

Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:34:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> Subject: Re: GET LAMP is here >> Hmm, let's see... "A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly >> devoted >> to his or her own opinions and prejudices." >A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. - Winston Churchill >. . . and even fewer people will change the SUBJECT: line ------------ Guilty as charged; sorry, I just really enjoy yanking Dave's 'M$ fanboy' chain... But all good things must end, alas... m

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GET LAMP is here

by dm561＠torfree.net

Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:38:36 -0400 From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> Subject: Re: GET LAMP is here On 8/11/10 12:28 PM, Richard wrote: >>> Since you choose to brand my comments as bigotry, something for which >>> we both seem to be known, [...] >> >> Actually its just you. > Not so much, actually. I'm usually the one who pops up complaining >about Windows, and you're usually the one who pops up contradicting it. > But hey, it's all in good fun. > -Dave ------------------ Hmm, let's see... "A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices." Gotta admit, that sounds like you all right, at least in this context. So, in your view someone who objects to bigotry is also a bigot? Interesting logic... @ Richard: Give it up. No point in arguing with folks who have a need to tell us at every opportunity that they're smarter, better, whatever, than all those Windows lusers out there; just smile tolerantly and ignore them. We know who *really* "gets" more, MS or 'nix types, don't we...? But hey, it's all in good fun. mike

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VAX on a cell phone

by pat＠computer-refuge.org

On Wednesday, August 11, 2010, Alexander Schreiber wrote: > And while we are at it: quite a few _cellphones_ these days have more > computing power than that. For a cellphone ... In that vein, I have spent some time over the past week or so setting up my cell phone (an HTC Evo running Android) to emulate a VAX by running SIMH. http://worldofvax.blogspot.com/2010/08/compiling-simh-emulators-for- android.html And then using a VT125 for its console: http://worldofvax.blogspot.com/2010/08/htc-evo-and-vt125.html Enjoy the insanity! Pat -- Purdue University Research Computing --- http://www.rcac.purdue.edu/ The Computer Refuge --- http://computer-refuge.org

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3270 Personal Computer

by shoppa＠trailing-edge.com

Further from the details of the OP, but a little closer to the spirit of the OP and more DECish: I remember students calling up when they had trouble running their Fortran homework programs through the compiler on the "VT100 computer running VMS". Even today the computer hardware on the desk is often blamed when it's really really some backend website that's FUBAR or Microsoft's Windows getting infected by spyware. And as long as we're talking about people who get confused by the label on the computer devices in front of them, where's the guy who swears up and down that he has OS/2 for the PDP-11 and that he was using the predecessor to Fortran in 1982? None of the above people are evil, just misguided and in need of some nudges. But it's sad that the computer industry is so confusing that the nudges are needed, and that the folks who decide what brand gets buys are so often swayed by the brandname of something on their desk rather than reality. Tim.

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GET LAMP is here

by dm561＠torfree.net

-------------------Original Message: Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 16:48:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> Subject: Re: GET LAMP is here On Mon, 9 Aug 2010, Tony Duell wrote: > I don't see why a comment of the form 'It's a documentary abotu the > heistory of text adventures, for more information see <URL>' is > impossible. I agree. I often need to read several messages further on in a thread to figure out what is being talked about. "XYZZY" or "PLUGH" would be more recognizable. But, like many puzzles in Colossal Cave, it's obvious AFTER you know it, but not before. > follow such a URL involves almost as much work as you getting to see one > of my workshop notebooks. And I want to know if that effort is worthwhile. If we could scan the entire existing collection, then the effort probably would be worthwhile. I'm on dial-up right now. A URL with no explanation just seems rather inconsiderate. Oh, well. But, it's not just here. The college adminiatrators tend to send a 4 line paragraph as a MICROS~1 WEIRD attachment with no explanation other than "FYI" or "read the attachment". Meanwhile, the "Help Desk" sends out several announcements per week saying, "Please stop opening attachments that come with email, and please stop replying to messages that ask what your password is!" -- Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com -----------------------Reply: I'm with Tony and Fred on this one: a hint of what a URL is about would be nice and show a little consideration. I'm on dial-up as well, often incurring per-minute long distance charges, and read my email off-line; if there's no clue what a link is about then I just treat it as spam no matter where it's from instead of investing time and money looking at something that probably won't interest me (especially when some sites take 3 or 4 minutes at 56K just to open the page). mike

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Speaking of Bernoullis...

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

I'd love to use 5.25" Bernoullis as removable storage on a PDP-11 via a Qbus SCSI host adapter. Does anyone know offhand if any of the common boards, like the CMD CQD-223, will properly handle a drive with 256 bytes per sector? I know it's a bit odd to think about, but it seems like a good idea to me, if it'll work. If nobody pipes up and says it definitely won't work, perhaps I'll dig up a Bernoulli drive and try it at some point. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Port Charlotte, FL

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Serial interfaces

by ethan.dicks＠gmail.com

On 7/20/10, Rob Jarratt <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote: > >> With a serial port, you can turn an old machine with two serial >> interfaces into a snooper... > > RS-232 is such a pain, I just had some problems recently. I had never > thought of using my PC as a way of snooping serial traffic. I have two > serial ports on my machine. Does anyone know of any good software to do > this? I could always write it myself, but it would be nice if there was > already something there. Here are several: http://freshmeat.net/projects/linuxserialsniffer/ http://freshmeat.net/projects/serlook/ http://www.serialmon.com/ http://www.gumbley.me.uk/scope.html Some of these use one port and a special sniffer cable, some use two ports. There are other sniffers out there, I'm sure, but these were the ones that took less than two minutes to find. I haven't used any of them, so I can't recommend one vs another. I have commercial-grade gear for this (HP4951), but with all the options out there, you should be able to find a PC-based one that does what you need. -ethan

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M51976FP pinout?

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

I am looking for a pinout or datasheet for a chip labelled M51976FP. It appears to be made by Mitsubishi, it's a SMPSU controller in a 20 pin SOIC package. I have the data on the M51977, which is similar (I think), but some pins are clearly different. Looking on datasheetarchiver and digchip didn't find anything. And a google search (as ever) found plenty of people who sould sell me 100000 of them, but nothing else). [It's uised in a PSU modile in an HP tape drive that I am working on, so it does have som relevance to classic computers0. Thanks in advance for any help -tony

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Lot of PDP-11/84 on ebay in Boston

by kelly＠catcorner.org

> [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Patrick Finnegan > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 10:43 PM > Subject: Re: Lot of PDP-11/84 on ebay in Boston > > > > I would expect no more than $5/lb (probably less) for that > era of board > or about $5 or less per board in scrap value. The rest of > the chassis, > maybe $5 in value without spending a lot in labor to separate > the metals > out. In North West New Jersey scrap high density circuit boards are $0.70 per pound. Steel is about $200 per ton.

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retr0brite not so right?

by feedle＠feedle.net

Depends. I'd pay more for a working Replica I than a broken original. "Teo Zenios" <teoz at neo.rr.com> wrote: >What is worth more, an Apple I motherboard with all original chips but maybe >non functional, and an Apple I motherboard that has been reworked to >function with later date coded chips and other parts. I would bet it is the >all original unit, and few if any collectors would even try to turn it on >anyway. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "A. C. Baumann" <feedle at feedle.net> >To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" ><cctalk at classiccmp.org> >Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 11:06 AM >Subject: Re: retr0brite not so right? > > >It is sensible to me that limited modification to maintain an operational >state wouldn't affect the collectible value much, especially compared to >"not working at all." >

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does anyone know what this is (C64 Snapshot cartridge)

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

http://cgi.ebay.com/Snapshot-64-Cartridge-Commodore-64-/170523686285?pt=LH_… the seller is too brain dead to describe what it is, despite stating that it's tested and working. I seem to have a vague recollection of what this is, but actually I'm not totally sure.

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That darned PDP font

by silent700＠gmail.com

This probably comes up every other year or so, but I am looking for the font used on older DEC literature. It may or may not be the one used for the actual PDP11 logo (only three character examples there ;) but it is the one used on the covers of the old Handbooks, like this one: http://gargravarr.cc.utexas.edu/cc/artifacts/dec-pdp-11-processor-handbook-… There are many similar round fonts out there, and one could make the pdp11 logo out of them, but the other characters fail. Has this mystery been solved? Internal font? All hand drawn? -- jht

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Anyone got a GRiDlite 1040, Sharp MZ-200?

by bdamer＠digitalspace.com

Anyone here have a GRiDlite 1040 I could acquire or borrow for a project here at the Digibarn? Also anyone got documents for a Sharp laptop (MZ-200) which I cannot find in my mountain of documentation. Bruce

15 years, 11 months

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Todd Fishcer's IMSAI 8048 Doll House up for sale on eBay

by mardy＠pernetics.com

I hope that this ends up on display in a museum and not sitting in some collectors basement... Item number: 230508849284 -Mardy

15 years, 11 months

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BC19V-02

by pete＠dunnington.plus.com

Anyone need a BC19V-02 cable? I believe it's a modem cable for a microVAX option, and I have no idea why I have it. 50-pin female D connector one end, DB25M the other (not all pin positions populated). Free for cost of postage from York, UK. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Pronouncing acronyms (was Re: DEC acronyms)

by ethan.dicks＠gmail.com

On 7/30/10, Tony Duell <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote: >> One of my "hobbies" (some >> might call it an obsession) is figuring a way to pronounce any given >> acronym as a word.... > > :-) > > I've been know to refer to the 5150 as the 'I-Bum Puck' :-). The first > 'I' is short --'e' not 'eye' as I pronounce it... Here, I've heard "Ih-bem Peck" (same 'i' sound you describe), but it was usually used in a less-than-flattering context. The most gratuitous example of this I can recall is the Sesame Street character Big Bird attempting to pronounce the 26-letter Western alphabet as a single word ("ab-cer-def-gee-jeckle-mernop-kur-stoov-wik-siz" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABC%E2%80%93DEF%E2%80%93GHI) -ethan

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HP Omnibook 425 available

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Forwarded from email: At 05:09 PM 8/8/2010, you wrote: >Hi my name is Eli Yarborough and I have an old HP Omnibook 425. I cannot find any place online that buys or sells this type of computer. I saw your website and thought you could help. I don't know if my Omnibook is the type of computer you would want or collect but I was wondering if you could provide me with some general insight about it. I'm not necessarily trying to sell it but I want to know if a computer like this is in demand and whether or not it's worth anything. It still works like new and comes with Microsoft Word and Excel along with a few other features. I still have all the accessories that came with the computer (the manuals and charger) along with external memory cards and other add-ons. I would just like to know if you or anyone you know is looking to add this to their collection. It would be a huge help if you could provide me with any information you have about this computer. It certainly was a great computer in its day and a fascinating example of the rap! id cha nges in technology. Thanks for your time and help! > >Eli Yarborough > >NC Tech Sales ><mailto:carolinatechsales at gmail.com>carolinatechsales at gmail.com

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P112 board edits

by dgriffi＠cs.csubak.edu

I'm almost ready to start taking orders for P112 kits now. Before that I need some help from someone who knows how to edit gerbers. The edits are pretty minor, but I lack the appropriate software. -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

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FS local pickup only-Kansas City, MO area-OSI C1P, C4P, SuperPET, PET 4016, DEC VT-180, TRS-80 4 and 4P

by michael.passer＠gmail.com

Greetings, all. Have the following for sale--need to move these quickly and they are priced as such. I am in Greenwood, Missouri (a few blocks east of Lee's Summit along Missouri 150). I am not looking for eBay prices but am also not looking for eBay-level hassle--I just don't have time to pack and ship these systems anywhere; they would have to be picked up locally and paid for with cash. I would of course be happy to allow prospective buyers to power up each machine and verify its operation to his satisfaction before paying. Ohio Scientific C1P with disk drive - $125 Ohio Scientific C4P with disk drive - $150 Commodore SuperPET with 8050 (one drive needs a part for the door) - $90 Commodore PET 4016 - $50 DEC VT-180 - $50 TRS-80 Model 4 - $20 TRS-80 Model 4P - $30 I additionally have several VIC-20s, C-64s, a C-128 or two, disk drives, Atari 8-bit machines, an Atari ST, monitors, and software for those interested in things along those lines as well. That said, I will listen to and consider any reasonable offer. Thank you for taking a moment to read this! Michael Passer michael.passer at gmail.com

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ANN: liblpfk (IBM LPFK driver library), tumble-0.33-philpem1

by classiccmp＠philpem.me.uk

Hi guys, A few of you might remember the IBM LPFK bulk-order a couple of years back, and the ensuing chaos of figuring out the control protocol (which was eventually resolved when Michael Brutman found some old IBM protocol docs which covered the LPFK). I figure I've been sitting on the code for long enough: it's time to make a proper release! Anyone who wants to have a play with this is welcome to do so: the code is on my website, under "Code :: liblpfk", or if you'd prefer a direct link: http://www.philpem.me.uk/code/liblpfk/ I've also uploaded my fork of Eric Smith's "tumble" utility, a TIFF-to-PDF converter. I found a couple of bugs (which haven't been fixed seven months later) and figured it was a shame not to share the patches. After all, it is open-source :) URL for that is http://www.philpem.me.uk/code/ -- click "Tumble". At some point I'll give this a separate page instead of just linking to the version-control repository, and may well document the control file format (which IIRC isn't documented at the moment). Somewhat offtopic, but I've also released a driver for one of the Brother P-touch label printers. I needed labels for my spare parts boxes and really didn't feel like making them with a Dymo gun when I had a perfectly good stock database (which is next on the 'stuff to release' list) which I could use as a data source for said labels. Work smarter not harder and all that ;) These were written for Linux, but should work decently well on BSD too. Forget running them on Windows unless you want to port the serial-line (liblpfk) and/or usb-lp (libptouch) stuff across... I didn't (this be a Linux-only ship, yarrr!) Comments, criticism and so on should be sent to the address below. Sensible patches are, as always, gratefully received 8^) FYI: I'm working on getting a copyright release from university for the DiscFerret software. At the moment most of the Department of Computer Science is on holiday so this is proving somewhat difficult... PCB design is still ongoing, though a lack of funds means it might be a while before I get prototype PCBs made. I'm hoping to release the firmware, microcode and decoder engine under the GPL or LGPL, and the hardware access library will most likely be distributed under a "BSD-with-attribution" type license (I forget, is that 3-clause or 4-clause?). Either way, it'll be GPL-compatible (for obvious reasons!) and commercial-use-allowed. Thanks, -- Phil. classiccmp at philpem.me.uk http://www.philpem.me.uk/

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To scrap or not to scrap?

by hachti＠hachti.de

Hi, just followed the thread about ENIAC pieces and went to the website announcing a VCF southeast. There I saw announced sales of Arcnet and Token Ring adapters. That was the inspiration for this posting. * I came across a box of Token Ring and Arcnet stuff. Mostly NICs. * IBM PC AT and around * Sun Ultra 1 (or 5?) pizza boxes * 5.25" and 8" disk floppy drives and HDDs * Philips P4500 computer (or 5400?) Is there any interest in that kind of stuff? Might that be of sufficient quality (quantity isn't the problem) for a dedicated flea market event? Opinions very welcome. And btw I'm talking about stuff in Northern Germany... Regards, Philipp

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Data General 6050 Disk Drive

by marvin＠west.net

Oops, I guess everyones esp is not working so well having to ask where this unit is :). It is located in Santa Barbara, CA. I received an email almost immediately from someone interested. If he ends up not taking it, I'll repost to the list. Thanks! Marvin

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Data General 6050 Disk Drive

by marvin＠west.net

A friend of mine has a Data General Model 6050 Disk Drive with no disk packs. This thing is fairly heavy (guessing 80 - 100 pounds) and appears to be complete although the top cover screws have been removed and it looks like it might have hit something (the front panel is somewhat bent.) Anyone interested? I can disassemble or whatever to reduce shipping costs. I think he would be happy with around $50.00, or maybe slightly less. Thanks! Marvin

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PDP-11/44 mystery card

by pontus＠Update.UU.SE

Hi I've acquired two PDP-11/44 and have just now gone throught the list of cards in the cpu-boxes and the spares. Here is a list: http://www.update.uu.se/~pontus/slask/11-44-kort.txt Nothing special, I've used the field guide to identify most cards. I've only marked one card of each kind. There is two cards connected with ribbon cables that I can't identify. They are made by Data Management Labs in San Jose and are labled DML 750 Board A and Board B. There are some numbers as well (in no particular order) 980-8043 710-1921-001 There are some bitslice chips and a whole bunch of roms. Anything that rings a bell with anyone? Also I wonder what the "M7251 KG11-A U Network interface XOR and CRC block check option" "M3110 DRCSA U Protocol assist #1 w/special character check and CRC (DEC/DLC/DRCSA)" "M3111 DRCSA U Protocol assist #2 w/special character check and CRC (DEC/DLC/DRCSA)" are used for? Cheers, Pontus

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Intel RMX 86/330 system & 380 startup questions

by neal.filla＠delta.com

Looking for a intel 310 computer. Know of any ??? to run rmx86. Neal Filla PH - (612) 726-8612 Fax - (612) 726-0163 neal.filla at Delta.com<mailto:neal.filla at Delta.com>

15 years, 11 months

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OT? Tek 4014 emulator (tying Xterm to ttyS0)

by classiccmp＠philpem.me.uk

Hi guys, I'm building some hardware that spits out debug info on a regular basis, and I figured it'd be useful to have this data graphed on-screen. Making it keep track of the last "N" samples and draw them wouldn't be hard, except adding an LCD display is out of the question (takes up too many I/O pins). On the other hand, I have a perfectly good serial port which runs at a decent rate of speed (115200 baud), and Xterm can emulate a Tektronix 4014 vector terminal. Perfect... except I can't see an easy way to tie Xterm to a serial port instead of having it run an application. There's nothing in the manpage (admittedly I haven't read it all, just grepped it for a few obvious terms) and 'apropos' isn't finding anything useful. I've been told that tip(1) on BSD will do what I want, I just can't find anything similar on Linux... Thanks, -- Phil. classiccmp at philpem.me.uk http://www.philpem.me.uk/

15 years, 11 months

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test to see if messages ares are being posed or seen

by halarewich＠gmail.com

hello all Nerver mind the waste of bandwidth just trying to see if gmails sending my messages right i sent one a couple days ago with no responses so far and when u post a single messes and if no one respondes gmail does not post it on your main inbox chris

15 years, 11 months

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DG 800/1200 questions

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

First on my bench will be a bunch (8 or so) of Data General 800/1200 machines and a few Nova 2's. I can think of several questions so far to get me started down the path: 1) A number of the 1200 machines have broken front panel toggle switches (the switch handle was broken off and lost). Some are spring return to center, some are just two position. Before I take the approach of robbing one of the machines for front panel switches, is there someplace that I can purchase exactly idential (both electrically and cosmetically) switches, or does some one have donor switches available for trade? I am a stickler for completely identical parts, especially for front panel switches :) I was hoping someone had been down this road before and knew the switch model #'s, etc. 2) I have quite a number (maybe around six or seven) of rackmount dual cassette tape units for these machines. I seem to recall that they use cassette tapes that are not identical to the standard common audio cassettes available today. Is anyone aware of where these special tapes can be purchased new? 3) With these machines I got a very large (several crates) library of cassette tapes as well as paper tapes, most appeared to be DG software rather than user data/backups. Are we pretty sure that most software for these machines has been archived somewhere, or should I send these tapes off to Al et. al. to have them read and saved for posterity before I put them in a questionable drive? As old as these tapes are, I wouldn't be suprised if one read was all they will allow. 4) Like #3 above, I have maybe 8 or 10 accounting storage boxes full of schematics & docs for all the circuit cards for the cpu's, interfaces, and peripherals mentioned above. I don't know what the current state of the DG archival project is. Is it likely that all these docs are already archived somewhere? Thanks in advance for any sage advice! Best, J

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Mispronouncing acronyms

by shoppa＠trailing-edge.com

Mark wrote: > At 22:17 -0500 8/2/10, Tim wrote: >> Tim "Excessive force in the apprehension of abused acronyms has been >> approved" Shoppa. > Ah! a quote from one of my favorites - "The Big Blues Brothers" Of course the Blues Brothers had their own computer acronym: SCMODS = State County and Municipal Offender Data System pronounced Skamods with a distinct tone of disdain by Elwood IIRC. The cop car terminals looked pretty slick for 1980. Almost like mobile PLATO terminals with their orange plasma display. Maybe it was an actual Motorola product? Of course Motorola and PLATO were also suburban Chicago/Illinois tie-ins :-). And the mall that gets destroyed, I have been told, was (previous to being a mall) one of the Teletype factories in Skokie. Tim.

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Maker Faire review

by jfoust＠threedee.com

I attended the Detroit Maker Faire this past weekend. Quite fun! Amazing and inspirational geekdom. A combination computer show, robot demo, tech consciousness raising, Scout jamboree and university recruiting fair. Vehicles with real flames. The crowd? Mom, Dad and the kids, regular geeks, geeks with tats and corsets. Cast your own cannonballs from scrap iron. Life-size Mouse Trap game. Guitars. Marshmallow guns. For a buck, you could buy a kit and sit down at a station to solder your own blinking LED merit badge, and dozens were doing that continuously. EepyBird did their Coke and Mentos show. Quite a few Arduino-powered gizmos. MakerBots with various heads like 3D printing with melted ABS plastic. There was one guy who'd made his own CPU from the ground up, with an Altair-era style front panel. About 250 booths, I believe. Overall, I thought it was quite inspirational. A wide range of ages and abilities in play, all enthusiastic about making things, learning to repair things, hacking in a playful way. I think any classic computer exhibit would be well-received. I don't think Detroit was as funky as it gets when the MF is in San Francisco. On the other hand, it took place in the parking lots of the Henry Ford Museum / Greenfield Village, so there was plenty to see in terms of old machinery. By some great coincidence, the kids watched a special on Nikola Tesla on the History Channel shortly before we went to Greenfield Village, so they could see through the endless pro-Edison material. While admiring the steam locomotive roundhouse, Air Force One flew overhead. Being in Detroit also gave me a chance to spend a little time with my old friend Sheldon Leemon ("Mapping the Commodore 64") and his wife. - John

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scammed an HP 98788A b & w monitor

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

not totally sure of it's overall health, but it kind of works thus far. apparently was used on an HP-UX w/s @ AT & T (so says the sticker). an unusual bugger. Unique amongst my jumbo monitors. Now only need the HP-UX station to go along w/it...

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Aug 3 1977 The TRS-80 was launched.

by c.murray.mccullough＠gmail.com

I remember the days after quite well. Being from Canada it wasn't available here right away. I went to Rochester, N.Y. to see it at a computer store. Boy, did this computer geeks eyes light up! I did eventually get one that summer. Murray--

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Electronic Design article on CRTs

by cclist＠sydex.com

Mentions the Tek 4051 among other things: http://electronicdesign.com/article/analog-and-mixed- signal/farewell_crts.aspx?nl=1 --Chuck

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Greetings fellow classiccmp'ers

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

After a long hiatus from the hobby, I'm making some attempts to get back into it. Even though I've been away from the hobby, several listmembers have my other (work) email addresses and have always called my attention to things when needed. My jwest at classiccmp.org email address went unopened though, and I've just started plowing through 22K (that's a count, not a size) of email. I am going to try to keep current on this address again, but to those who have my other email addresses by all means feel free to use them if something comes up and I don't respond quickly on this one. I'd like to update the classiccmp server (OS, apache, mysql, & mailman) soon. To aid in that transition, I will probably temporarily migrate all the sites & list to one of our clusters, load the classiccmp server from scratch, and then migrate everything back. I'll keep the list posted when I start down that path. I haven't touched anything classiccmp related in eons. While my beloved HP 21MX systems and DEC systems are all still pristine, categorized, and running - I have fallen fall short in the other areas of my collection (mostly lots of DG and one Microdata). I hope to focus on the DG side of my collection for a while and will no doubt be asking for help here as that's a completely new area for me. As always, if anyone needs any help with HP 21MX related items I'd be glad to help (as much as my rusty memory will allow). I've also just skimmed back over the past couple months of the list traffic, and it's so good to still see all the familiar faces. Best, Jay West

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Looking for a RK05F faceplate

by quapla＠xs4all.nl

Hello All, I'm looking for an RK05F faceplate. Anyone able to help me with one? Thanks, Ed -- Dit is een HTML vrije email / This is an HTML free email.

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Xyplex 1600 config software

by silent700＠gmail.com

I am getting deep into the mysterious config of this terminal server, googling and banging the desk, and I find out that there is a Windows (or possibly others OSes?) GUI config tool out there somewhere for it, know as "Focalpoint" (or "Focal Point.") Anyone know if it's available any more? Also, anyone expert in the configuration of this beast and wouldn't mind some n00b questions via direct email, I'd be much obliged to hear >from you. -- jht

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Perot collection?

by wdonzelli＠gmail.com

I received an email about VCFSW 1.0 on the ClassicMainframes list (the most dead list I am on, at about a message a month), and it talks about the collection of the Perot Group, down in Texas, possibly part of a tour. Does anyone know much about this collection? Supposedly it has some large IBMs. -- Will

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intel MSD-720

by shumaker＠att.net

can anyone shed some light on what this might be: Floppy Disk Drives (internal) 8" dual drive console, Intel MSD-720 item is listed in a large Craigs List ad that's been up essentially unchanged for months attempts to get more info out of the seller have been less than successful. the closest thing I can find is a reference to an "option 720" on classiccomp's link to Joe's Intel MDS page. MDS 200 series apparently had something called "option 720" but there's little info about it other than it appears to be an external floppy unit. thoughts welcome.... Steve

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Anyone want up to 3 MicroVAX 3100 Model 30s

by robert.jarratt＠ntlworld.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk- > bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Rob Jarratt > Sent: 03 August 2010 23:15 > To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' > Subject: Anyone want up to 3 MicroVAX 3100 Model 30s > > I have 3 MicroVAX 3100 Model 30s given to me by someone who is leaving > the > country and could not take them with him. I took them rather than see > them > discarded. They each have 8Mb onboard memory. They do not have any > disks and > the cover on the storage bay is missing. One of them has a little bit > of > damage to the rear plastic panel. > > I cleaned out all the dust and powered them up, they all booted to the > console prompt just fine. > > They are in Greater Manchester, England. > > Regards > > Rob And I forgot to say, they are of course free. Regards Rob

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Anyone want up to 3 MicroVAX 3100 Model 30s

by robert.jarratt＠ntlworld.com

I have 3 MicroVAX 3100 Model 30s given to me by someone who is leaving the country and could not take them with him. I took them rather than see them discarded. They each have 8Mb onboard memory. They do not have any disks and the cover on the storage bay is missing. One of them has a little bit of damage to the rear plastic panel. I cleaned out all the dust and powered them up, they all booted to the console prompt just fine. They are in Greater Manchester, England. Regards Rob

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Mispronouncing acronyms

by shoppa＠trailing-edge.com

>> And from the 70's onward I often felt a twinge of pity whenever I saw >> References to the ASC2 character set. > Or worse yet, going full circle, "asskey two". Typical usage of that from the 70's onward: "You're still using asskey? We're using asskey-2. You should upgrade." Tim "Excessive force in the apprehension of abused acronyms has been approved" Shoppa.

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retr0brite not so right?

by spectre＠floodgap.com

This appeared on the cbm-hackers list today. Anyone have a thought on it? Addresses redacted. ----- Forwarded message from William Levak ----- Subject: re: Anyone know what type of plastic Commodore computers are manufactured from? I have looked at the retr0brite website, and gone throgh all the information there. It is my opinion that this procedure has not been adequately tested, and there is a possibility that this procedure may cause long term damage to the plastic. I am a chemist and have some experience testing resins. The retr0brite information mentions a white "bloom" on the plastic from over treatment. This condition is permanent. It also represents chemical damage to the plastic. A common procedure to determine the chemical resistance of polymers, is to put various reactive chemicals on the surface and determine whether, and how much time it takes for noticeable chemical damage to occur. This usually shows up as a white "bloom", but this is not the only damage. Polymers can also suffer damage that is not visible, but causes the polymer to lose its strength and prematurely "age". The retr0brite information says that you should be careful not to over use the chemicals so that the white "bloom" does not occur. But this does not necessarily mean that chemical damage has not occured. If it takes x amount of time to create the white "bloom", then using it for half that time probably means that half the damage has occured. Whether the damage is visible is not the real question here. It would take aging tests to determine whether the plastic is damaged from the retr0brite procedure. I do not see any indication that retr0brite treated plastics have been subjected to aging tests. -------- Original Message -------- >> From: "Stingray" >> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 10:37 PM >> Subject: Anyone know what type of plastic Commodore computers are > manufactured from? >> >> Anyone know specifically what plastic the C64 and C64C are manufactured > from? >> >> I have been wondering how to stop plastic Commodore gear from fading. >> I found a really good link on this (also explains why some of the keys >> on your C64C are faded and some aren't). >> http://www.vintagecomputing.co...chives/189 [ this was truncated in the original message for some reason ] >> >> Does anyone have any of their own tips on maintaining plastic >> Commodore equipment? >> >> Regards, >> Stingray >> Message was sent through the cbm-hackers mailing list ----- End of forwarded message from William Levak ----- -- ------------------------------------ personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser at floodgap.com -- We shoulda bought a squirrel. -- "Rat Race" --------------------------------

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Mispronouncing acronyms

by thomas.gardner＠sbcglobal.net

... > > IBM had DASD (anyone pronouce it?); CDC had RMS. Crossing between > > the two cultures could be very confusing. > > I say "dazzdee". I've never heard anyone say "Dee Ay Ess Dee". It's mostly been Dazz Dee for me; however, occasionally I have heard or said Dee Ay Ess Dee How about IBM's CKD - always "See Kay Dee"? BTW, did anyone else use CKD (other than PCMs), perhaps RCA (who arguably was a PCM+)? And was the 3390-3 the last CKD DASD? Tom

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yet another pdp-11 in fpga

by W.F.J.Mueller＠gsi.de

Walter F.J. Mueller <W.F.J.Mueller at gsi.de> wrote on 21 Jun 2010 21:02:18 +0200 > I'm in the middle of homogenizing some internal interfaces and of some > code cleanup, also the backend handler needs a re-write in C++ (currently > perl). When that's done I'll make the whole package (VHDL sources, test > benches, backend) available on 'OpenCores'. The PDP-11/70 core is now available at OpenCores, see http://opencores.org/project,w11 The documentation is admittedly still rudimentary. The backend handler is still in perl. This and many other things on the TODO list for the future. Walter

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Mispronouncing acronyms

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 07:48 PM 8/2/2010, Jason T wrote: >On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Phill Harvey-Smith ><afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk> wrote: >> corrupted text screen it would be described as "my screen was full of ASCII >> characters" Well duuuhhh what do you think the normal ones are(1). Really? How could you be sure? Once they're on the screen, don't they look the same? >When my friends want to shop for "organic" vegetables, I ask them >where the silicon-based ones are... In the same aisle as the organic mineral supplements. - John

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Looking for Tektronix 4051 programs...

by clay＠ArcherServices.com

I have been fortunate in acquiring and restoring a Tek 4051 recently. I had used one of these back in '77 to '82 and I still have some documentation, and I found other manuals on bitsavers.org but have not located any software. Do you know of any source on-line? I found references on this site (Feb. 2009) from other users talking about building an archive of software for the 4051. I have keyed in a few short programs to test the vector graphics, but it would be nice to have the original standard pack tape programs. Even printouts would be helpful. I recall when I last used a 4051 back in the early '80's we had the ability to dump & load programs using the serial port, and the ability to un-secret the programs. If I can find this information again I would be glad to provide it to help build a software library for this fantastic system. Thanks, C. Archer

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Mispronouncing acronyms

by mtapley＠swri.edu

At 22:17 -0500 8/2/10, Tim wrote: >Tim "Excessive force in the apprehension of abused acronyms has been >approved" Shoppa. Ah! a quote from one of my favorites - "The Big Blues Brothers" :-) -- - Mark 210-379-4635 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Large Asteroids headed toward planets inhabited by beings that don't have technology adequate to stop them: Think of it as Evolution in Fast-Forward.

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OT: The last roll of Kodachrome

by cclist＠sydex.com

Not even remotely computer-related, but I know that there are more than a couple of photography aficionados on the list: http://www.manufacturing.net/News/2010/08/Offbeat-News-What-s-On-The- Last-Roll-Of-Kodachrome/ Cheers, Chuck

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cctalk Digest, Vol 84, Issue 5

by bqt＠softjar.se

Philip Pemberton <classiccmp at philpem.me.uk> wrote: > Hi guys, > > I'm building some hardware that spits out debug info on a regular basis, > and I figured it'd be useful to have this data graphed on-screen. Making > it keep track of the last "N" samples and draw them wouldn't be hard, > except adding an LCD display is out of the question (takes up too many > I/O pins). > > On the other hand, I have a perfectly good serial port which runs at a > decent rate of speed (115200 baud), and Xterm can emulate a Tektronix > 4014 vector terminal. Perfect... except I can't see an easy way to tie > Xterm to a serial port instead of having it run an application. xterm -e kermit However, this also begs the question, what is plotting the the data, if you just output debug information? Some application I would assume...? Why not have that application written on your linux system, and run it inside an xterm, and have the application read the data from the serial port, and then output the approriate stuff to control the window? > There's nothing in the manpage (admittedly I haven't read it all, just > grepped it for a few obvious terms) and 'apropos' isn't finding anything > useful. I've been told that tip(1) on BSD will do what I want, I just > can't find anything similar on Linux... tip probably don't exist on Linux, but all you need to know is that tip is a program to connect yourself out on a serial port. Any other program that do the same thing works equally well. And I have yet to see any program that works better for this kind of thing than kermit. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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