- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by feldman.r＠comcast.net

>Message: 25 >Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 21:15:08 +0100 >From: "Andrew Burton" aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk > >Excel is easy to use and comes with all Windows based computers. Sadly I am >not old enough (or lucky enough) to have used any alternatives - though I >have heard of Lotus long before I joined this list. > >Regards, >Andrew B If you want to try Lotus 123, get an HP LX 200 palmtop computer. It comes with Lotus built into the ROM. In fact, the ability to run Lotus 123 was the genesis of the HP plamtops. One of my gripes about Lotus 123 is that it excelled (pun intended) at losing your work, as it did not ask you to save the file when you quit -- "/Q" would quit the program whether or not you had unsaved work. Bob?? PS. Re the "what calcularor to get" thread, you can get an HP LX200 and run any of a number of MS-DOS HP calculator emulators on it.

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Monroe OC 8820 - OS8MT

by cambrook＠gmail.com

For the attention of Leaknoil I have an OC 8820 with various disks ... Contact me if you are interested. Peter UK

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old clocks

by dgriffi＠cs.csubak.edu

Does anyone in here admire/collect old clocks? I want to get a Standard Electric AR-2 slave clock (60s style). I fondly remember that model as the one used at my elementary and junior high schools. -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

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open FTP index

by aek＠bitsavers.org

just stumbled upon this http://www.mmnt.net/ this is interesting since afaik Google doesn't index anonymous ftp sites and there is a site search. I see one of the trailing-edge sites is on there.

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hp calculators

by tshoppa＠wmata.com

It's still not too hard to find a HP-25. Retrofit the rechargeables and you're set. But IMHO the true sweet spot is a HP-15C or HP-11C. A set of batteries will last for years. I am not a huge fan of bells-and-whistles features.

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Can we PLEASE change this subject line? (was RE: Dennis Ritchie has died)

by IanK＠vulcan.com

It makes me depressed all over again each time I see it.... -- Ian ________________________________________ From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Barry L. Kline [blkline at attglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 11:36 AM To: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie has died On 10/20/2011 02:03 PM, vintagecoder at aol.com wrote: > I believe OS/400 started out with S/34 and 36 and grew into iOS now > running on POWER. Actually, OS/400 started out with CPF on the S/38. Barry

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more dec stuff available

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

It was written.... I have a number of PDP-11 software manuals, processor manuals, a few books & even a few software mag tapes from when I had worked at Digital Equipment. I also have a number of processor manuals & some schematics for DEC System 10 & 20. Would you be interested in them or know someone who would like them? The system 10 & 20 schematics piqued my interest. If anyone wants to follow up on this, email me off list for contact details. J

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pdp 11/70 boards available

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

There is a complete set of PDP 11/70 boards available in the UK, apparently free for pickup. If someone wants them, let me know off-list.

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vintage work available

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

A PCB manufacturer in San Diego, CA is currently using PDP 11/04 boxes for Advanced Controls Trudrill machines. They are looking for sources for repair, support, and/or replacement parts. They believe that they could also switch to 11/05, 11/24, or 11/34 boxes with the same application. If anyone is interested and able to provide this, email me off-list for contact details. Best, J

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Steve Jobs -2011

by hilpert＠cs.ubc.ca

Just been reported on the radio that Steve Jobs has died (age 56).

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In search of HP 12821A

by mloewen＠cpumagic.scol.pa.us

I'm looking for a HP 12821A HP-IB board and 59310-60002 cable for my 2109E - does anyone have one for sale or trade? Crisis Computer doesn't have any. Mike Loewen mloewen at cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://sturgeon.css.psu.edu/~mloewen/Oldtech/

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Free! HP Netserver LX Server P-Pro Parts

by mikelee＠tdh.com

Not all that "classic" but figured I'd make the offer in case someone needed pieces or parts. Located near the Chicago area, willing to ship parts and I highly doubt anyone would want the whole thing. You however might want HP SCA drive trays (also works in the other HP storage stuff the same age), scsi/sca backplanes (6 drive slots per side, actually quite nice drive cages if you wanted to do something with that), power supplies, proc or mem boards or anything else. It's a mini-fridge sized multi-proc Pentium Pro server with 12 half height drive bays, 3 power supplies, etc. One last offer for parts from this beast before I part it out and scrap it. I'm keeping the basics memory, procs and drives, but I can be convinced to part with those as well if you have a need. Nice machine for its time, but the 1kW/hr power use and physical size is convincing me to get rid of it. Once again, located in the Chicago area. Crossposted, so first come first serve and closer the better. Mike

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For Sale: Phillips PX-1000cr terminal with crypto capabilities

by tosteve＠yahoo.com

FOR SALE: Two Phillips PX-1000cr - a small hand-held message terminal from 1985, with text encryption features. Any interest or value? See a link here: http://www.cryptomuseum.com/crypto/philips/px1000/index.htm

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Free for the cost of shiping : Altos CPM and MiocroSoft COBOL 8"disc's

by hp-fix＠xs4all.nl

Free for the cost of shipping : Altos CPM and Microsoft COBOL 8"disc's About 10 discs I don't have the hardware anymore, so before I format the discs... -Rik

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open FTP index

by tshoppa＠wmata.com

On Tuesday 18 October 2011, Al wrote: > just stumbled upon this > http://www.mmnt.net/ > > this is interesting since afaik Google doesn't index anonymous ftp sites and > there is a site search. > > I see one of the trailing-edge sites is on there. In fact Googlebot is regularly scanning all my ftp sites quite regularly. But I would not classify as usefully return search information. There are several other bots out there (some of them russian, one of them may be mmnt) scanning ftp sites. Remember when archie did all this? (Or at least, tried to do all this.)

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old clocks

by Arno_1983＠gmx.de

Oh well, another post that reminds me of all that tinkering I'd like to do but can't due to lack of time right now. There is a broken Siemens "Hauptuhr" (master clock) HU 10 in one of ?y banana boxes from hell, which formerly did its duty in a school in my district. This is more modern (I'd say 70s if not 80s vintage) unit with a lead-acid battery for backup and a discrete electrical second (or maybe half-second) oscillator driving the "seconds" part of the mechanical work, which in turn actuates a contact to generate "minute" pulses for both the minutes/hours hands of the local dial and the slave clocks. It seems that just the primary oscillator or maybe the seconds actuator is broken, as manually generating pulses via the Set button does advance the hands as expected. What's more, the device also comprises a loop of, IIRC, 5-level punched tape in a box with, I think, one "character" position for every five minutes in either 24 hours or even seven days, which would usually probably be used to ring a bell for signalling the breaks at the desired times (on schooldays), but could of course also accomodate other functions. I also do have a kind of slave clock, but not the usual hands-and-dial variety - mine is a digital one which looks like it was from some kind of larger office and works by means of plastic sheets printed with numbers and arranged in a horizontal drum, which flip downward, one per minute, at the actuation of a magnet. Besides hours and minutes, this thing also has a whole calendar with day-of-week, day-of-month and month display derived from this movement, but I've not yet investigated how it deals with the different lengths of the months, i.e. whether it will need manual intervention every two months or just once a year (apart from going into/leaving DST, of course). Unfortunately some greedy, egoistic creature has pilfered some of the flip sheets, so these will have to be recreated using some kind of plastic stock and painted to match the figure patterns of the rest. Uh huh, how long will I have to live... So long, yours sincerely Arno Kletzander ...sent from HTC Magician PDA ----- Urspr?ngliche Nachricht ----- >Message: 17 >Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 18:39:08 +0100 (BST) >From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) >To: cctalk at classiccmp.org >Subject: Re: old clocks >Message-ID: <m1RFUg7-000J43C at p850ug1> >Content-Type: text/plain >> Does anyone in here admire/collect old clocks? I want to get a Standard > >Hell yes. I've been interested in clocks for longer than I've been >interested in computers :-). All types of 'clocks' actually, from >sundials to atomic clocks. > >I am (as you have probably guesed) more interested in the movements >(mechanisms, working parts, call it what you will) than the cases. >Unforutnately, antique clocks are expensive, so I can't own what I'd >really like to own, but I cvna still enjoy repairing a 1930's shelf clock >that I've bought for \pounds 10.00 or so in a charity shop (thrift >store). > >> Electric AR-2 slave clock (60s style). I fondly remember that model as >> the one used at my elementary and junior high schools. > >Alas I cna't help you there. > >-tony > > > >Message: 19 >Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 19:22:58 +0100 (BST) >From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) >To: cctalk at classiccmp.org >Subject: Re: old clocks >Message-ID: <m1RFVMX-000J48C at p850ug1> >Content-Type: text/plain > >> I was a proffesional clockmaker for a while. >> We did mechanical, electric and electronic clock repair and >> manufacture, till the site closed. >> Dont forget you will need some form of master clock to drive the slave dial. >> The drive is a current pulse set to a fixed current and all the dials >> are in series. > > >Many slave clock systems had the dials in series as you describe (and as >is described in Hope-Jones's book), but I am sure the system we had at >school (which weas almost certainly from Gents of Leicester) had the >slave dials in parallel and fed them 24V pulses. I deducdd the first fact >by unpluging the connector on one of the slaved and finding it had no >effect on any of the others and the latter by useing a 'scope... > >Anyway, the pulses for that system were alternate polarity pulses, one >pulse per minute. Something like this : > > -- -- > | | | | >-- ------ ------ ------ -- > | | | | > -- -- > > | | > | | > <-1min-> > >The slave clock motor was similar in concept to the motors in those quartz >insert movements. It had 2 mechncially stable positions half a turn apart. >The +ve goign pulse pulled the (magnetised rotor) one way round between >the ends of the coil core, when the pulse ended, the rotor moved ot the >nearest mechanically stable position. The next pulse (of the oppostie >polarity) again lined the rotor up with the coil core, but the other way >round, It then moved to the other stable position. And so on. > >The master clock had a spring-drivien mechancial movement with a short >(about 30cm) pendulum. The spring was automatically rewound my an >electric motor, and would keep the clock running for quite a time (12 >hours or more) if the mains failed. The pulses to the slave dials were >generated by a pair of 3-terminal mercury switches, which were rocked by >a camshaft. Power to the switches (and thus the slave dials) came from a >transofmer/rectifier unit. Of course if the mains failed, no pulses were >gneerated (there was no battery backup) and the slave dials didn't move. >However therew was a mechanism invovling a mains motor and a differneital >gear which kept track of the missing pulses (when the mains motor wasn't >turnign). When the mains came back on, the thing 'caught up' generating >pulses every few seconds to reset the slaves to the correct time, > >Anyway.... > >While it would be nice to have such a master clock (or, indeed one of the >synchonomes), these slave dials (in all the common systems) effectively >count electrical pulses. And it doesn't matter how you genrate the >pulses. Provided you know what the pulses should look like (voltage, >current, whether they have to be of alternating polarity), it's a fund >exercise to design a digital circuti to produce them using your favourite >technology, whether that's TTL, FPGAs or microcontrollers. > >-tony > > >------------------------------

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C trivia - was Re: Dennis Ritchie has died

by jonas＠otter.se

On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 16:06:17 -0700 (PDT), Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote: > > I wasn't given much choice. My parents told me to behave, and to learn > how to handle situations where people with power over me were wrong. (Sometimes unfortunately) you don't get to choose your parents. But you must have had sensible parents :-) > I guess that I learned PART of that - I have never defenestrated a college > administrator! Perhaps the wrong part? ;-) It sounds as if your college administrators ought to be defenestrated as soon as possible, and from as high up as possible... They sound just like Dilbert's pointy-haired boss. /Jonas

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C trivia - was Re: Dennis Ritchie has died

by dm561＠torfree.net

-------------Original Message: -------------- Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 16:06:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> Subject: Re: C trivia - was Re: Dennis Ritchie has died > ...Although, admittedly, that was half a century ago (PI does NOT change!) > (or DOES IT??)) > -- > Grumpy Ol' Fred -------------------------- Well, Xerox was ready in case it ever does! Supposedly from their Fortran manual: "The primary purpose of the Data statement is to give names to constants; instead of referring to pi as 3.141592653589793 at every appearance, the variable Pi can be given that value with a Data statement and used instead of the longer form of the constant. This also simplifies modifying the program, should the value of pi change." mike

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C trivia - was Re: Dennis Ritchie has died

by jonas＠otter.se

> start by undoing a lot of what they had previously been taught, such as > that PI was EXACTLY 22/7 ! (half a century ago, in elementary school, I > got into "big trouble" for telling a teacher that PI was NOT 22/7 !) Aarrghh!! Is that what they teach in American schools?? That is *evil*. My mother once had a teacher who when his pupils were bad, told them to behave, otherwise he would teach them wrong. In his opinion that was the worst punishment he could think of. I am absoutely sure that over here everybody is taught, and always has been, the difference between natural, real, rational and irrational numbers, and that pi is an irrational number which can be approximated by 22/7. The Swedish school system may have very serious problems, but hearing this kind of thing makes me very, very grateful that my kids haven't grown up in the USA. /Jonas

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Sperry 5000/Arete' 1200 Unix Mini

by silent700＠gmail.com

We have had a successful mission with the Sperry minicomputer pickup. We dodged the rain showers and successfully loaded a ~5' rack and two Fujitsu tape drives into two vehicles, then broke for dinner. Here are pics from today, with more to come of internal bits: https://picasaweb.google.com/102190732096693814506/Sperry1200Pickup# The machine appears to be an Arete' 1200, although badged as a Sperry on the front. Research suggests it is equivalent to a Sperry 5000/80 machine. It is a Motorola 68000-based UNIX minicomputer. This one appears to have two CPU boards (each with a 68020 processor,) a few RAM boards for a total of 30MB of RAM, and is missing all of its storage. The drives it used seem to be SMD interfaced but we're not sure what it had originally as there are external and internal connectors. Two Fujitsu 9-track tape drives, model M2444AC, came with the Sperry and we assume they were used with it, too. They are heavy! Here is some information on the Sperry 5000 line. Truly a unique machine! http://www.porterdavis.org/computing/sperry.html -- silent700.blogspot.com Retrocomputing and collecting in the Chicago area: http://chiclassiccomp.org

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Can haz macros? - Re: Useful languages on UNIX that are not C - was Re: C trivia

by vintagecoder＠aol.com

I think you meant 1959, but ok.

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Useful languages on UNIX that are not C - was Re: C trivia - was Re: Dennis Ritchie has died

by vintagecoder＠aol.com

Heh thanks. The famous one finger salute!

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***SPAM*** Re: Steve Jobs -2011

by vintagecoder＠aol.com

Yeah no joke. I killfiled anything with Steve Jobs in the subject line but this one made it to my phone, where I can't filter. But I do think it may mean something that Dennis Ritchie only died after "the threat" was gone. ------Original Message------ From: Christian Corti Sender: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts ReplyTo: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: ***SPAM*** Re: Steve Jobs -2011 Sent: 18 Oct 2011 09:17 On Mon, 17 Oct 2011, Gene Buckle wrote: > Subject: Re: ***SPAM*** Re: Steve Jobs -2011 Finally someone who declares this "Steve Jobs"-thread as SPAM! ;-) Christian

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Let's talk NeXT - Re: Steve Jobs -2011

by tshoppa＠wmata.com

> So, to completely avoid > vendor lock-in and "a PC for every function", I've used (and will > continue to use) X11. I don't have any problem with X11 as long as you run a standards-compliant web browser in an X11 window :-). Or an xterm. There's very little today I do in X11 that isn't in a web browser or an xterm, don't you know :-) X11 just does not satisfy me as a way to define a high-information-content user interface. It's certainly capable of delivering a high-information-content user interface but it doesn't define it. The web by itself isn't too fancy but couple with Javascript, AJAX, SVG and other high-information-value media of interchange, and boy is it fun to work in! With just a little care, apps scale up enormously and deploy with so little effort on my part. You might note I left out many common web standards as being high information value. Tim.

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Useful languages on UNIX that are not C - was Re: C, trivia - was Re: Dennis Ritchie has died

by ken＠seefried.com

One of the many potentially great things that died when DEC did was Modula-3, a language with huge promise (and one that didn't jump the shark with Wirth (see: Oberon)). There's a small community keeping it alive, and it's design is still influential (the creator of Python cites it as a primary influence). Perhaps it's time to give it another look. Whenever these sorts of "what should the language look like..." debates come up, as often as not I think "sounds like Modula-3".

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UNIX and C history

by doc＠vaxen.net

The ongoing thread about the origins of C and UNIX have made me wonder about something I was told years ago: "UNIX was written as a host platform for C *development* and was not originally envisioned as the production platform for applications developed on it." In other words, the intent was that developers would write code on UNIX, then port it to an "application-oriented" OS for production. Is there any truth to that? Doc

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C trivia - was Re: Dennis Ritchie has died

by tshoppa＠wmata.com

On 10/16/2011 12:32 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > On 15 Oct 2011 at 22:51, Eric Smith wrote: > >> Yes. All C types, except bitfields within a structure, must have >> sizes that are a multiple of the size of the char type. > > Wasn't it presumptuous of K&R to assume that the smallest native > datum was a char? At the time the spec was being written, there did > exist bit-addressable machines, so directly-addressed bit arrays were > certainly possible on some hardware. Not just bit-aligned data: some processors from that same broad era (e.g. iAPX432) didn't even require that instructions be byte or word aligned. I think the point folks are missing is that it isn't the processor that defines the standard data types, but the language. I used to be more condescending towards the attitude that the-whole-world-is-a-stream-of-bytes (having worked with many I/O devices and languages and computers that had far more evolved record concepts) but here i am in 2011 and if I can coerce anything into a stream of bytes - I've got a lot of tools for working with that. Tim.

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Useful languages on UNIX that are not C - was Re: C trivia - was Re: Dennis Ritchie has died

by vintagecoder＠aol.com

I think Free Pascal is self-hosting. Is that right, Gene? ------Original Message------ From: ben Sender: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org To: cctalk at classiccmp.org ReplyTo: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Useful languages on UNIX that are not C - was Re: C trivia - was Re: Dennis Ritchie has died Sent: 17 Oct 2011 16:58 On 10/17/2011 7:22 AM, Gene Buckle wrote: > > If you don't want to use C/C++, you can't beat FreePascal & Lazarus. But what are they written in? > g. >

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Power brick repair

by jonas＠otter.se

On Sun, 09 Oct 2011 13:42:15 -0500, "Michael B. Brutman" <mbbrutman-cctalk at brutman.com> wrote: > Please, enough of the self-righteousness that always seems to highlight > your purist tendencies, including the ability to construct transistors > from raw materials and simple hand tools. We know where you stand already. I would hardly call Tony self-righteous. He does have strong opinions and lives by his convictions, but I have always got the clear impression that he accepts other people's right to do as they please with their own stuff. He will try to convince you that you should reconsider, if you propose doing something which he thinks is wrong, however I don't think that the connotation "especiallywhensmuglymoralisticandintolerantoftheopinionsandbehaviorofothers" of the word "self-righteous" (from dictionary.com) applies. Being intolerant is not the same as disagreeing and trying to convince people they are wrong. Intolerance implies refusing other people the right to their opinions. Irony does not always go down well either, unfortunately. /Jonas

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Useful languages on UNIX that are not C - was Re: C trivia - was Re: Dennis Ritchie has died

by vintagecoder＠aol.com

Thanks, good stuff! ------Original Message------ From: Ray Arachelian Sender: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org To: General Discussion On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts ReplyTo: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Useful languages on UNIX that are not C - was Re: C trivia - was Re: Dennis Ritchie has died Sent: 17 Oct 2011 19:53 On 10/17/2011 03:43 PM, Vintage Coder wrote: > Even I could appreciate that (except for the verse about assembler, which I find easier to debug than anything else). > > Hey, I didn't write those verse, I only shared them. :)

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Useful languages on UNIX that are not C - was Re: C trivia - was Re: Dennis Ritchie has died

by vintagecoder＠aol.com

Even I could appreciate that (except for the verse about assembler, which I find easier to debug than anything else).

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Now THIS is nuts...

by geneb＠deltasoft.com

eBay # 120788797213 The guy makes wiredforservice look like a piker. *laughs* g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

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WIN 98 QUES

by rlaag＠pacbell.net

VINTAGE (I HOPE) WIN 98 QUES, WHEN I BRING UP WIN 98 A BOX COMES UP FOR ME TO ENTER A NETWORK PASSWORD AND HANGS THERE, HOW CAN I BYPASS THIS SO IT GOES ON TO THE DESKTOP DIRECTLY? ?THANKS ?BOB

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OT(?) : HP1630D Logic Analyser

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

This may be a bit off-topic, although the instrumetn in question is certainly well over 10 years old, it includes a classic microprocessor (68B09, along with a a 6829 MMU, I've never seen one before), and is certainly suitable for repairing classic computers... Anyway, I've been given a really nice toy -- an HP1530D Logic Analyser. The -D model ahs 16 timing channels (which can be confgured in blocks of 8 as state channels) and a further 27 state channels. HP got a lot right in the design of this instrument -- the fact that the pods can only be disconnected after rmeoving a cover plate means that the pods are unlikely to get spearated from the unit and lost, for example. Anyway, given it's a -D (and not a -G), is there anyting I should know about it? Any fun tricks that are not immediately obvious from the manuals (I don't have these on paper :-(, I've been looking at the ones vey kindly provided o nthe Agilent web site) -tony

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Ping Al Kossow, bitsavers content question...do you happen to have....

by vintagecoder＠aol.com

Hi Al, Do you happen to have copies of the following IBM doc available? This is all I/O related, not sure if it's from the 370 days or later. MVS/ESA Component Diagnosis and Logic: EXCP Processor (LY28-1477) LY28-1487 LY28-1488 LC28-1166-5 I noticed you've added a bunch of great IBM doc recently in addition to all the other great IBM doc you have been hosting. THANK YOU for your site and all the great work you are doing!

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Let's talk NeXT - Re: Steve Jobs -2011

by tshoppa＠wmata.com

>> How, exactly, is running something in a web browser "more versatile" >> than running a purpose-built app with a GUI? WTF? To me a "purpose built app with a GUI" is the very definition of "vendor lock-in" and "A PC for every function". To me "vendor lock-in" means "look you have the versatility of running it on this one PC with a mouse and a keyboard and if you want to do it any other way you can pay us for as many copies as you want!". Whereas a web interface means that the display terminal and application server are now decoupled with a strong implication of scalability up the wazoo. (I know, it's all too easy to make it unscalable, or to embed Windows Controls in a web application and tie the browser to a specific Windows build.) It also implies that multiple applications are accessible simultaneously just by opening more browser windows - and means you don't have to swap 10,000 PC's every time you upgrade the central server. To me a web interface is way preferable to say a 3270 for filling forms. I know, the hot-shot mainframe app people had some pretty slick user interfaces on the 3270's for some popular mainframe applications. I've seen good ones and I appreciate them. But the vast majority of 3270 user interfaces sucked rocks. I'm not saying there aren't some really sucky webpages out there but custom roll-your-own-GUI-inside-the-web-page design seems to be very much on the decline, thank god. Tim.

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Need Decnet-11m netkit

by richardlynch3＠verizon.net

Anyone have an image of the Netkit for Decnet-11m+ v4.0 on tk50? I?ve got the Deckit, just need the other one to get ethernet up on my Micro PDP-11. Richard Lynch

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Cool car!

by wdonzelli＠gmail.com

Here is a pretty cool story about stuff found in the middle of nowhere: http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2011/10/10/One-of-the-Rarest-Cars-in-the-World-… -- Will

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PS2Encoder PCBs available

by brain＠jbrain.com

PS2Encoder (http://www.go4retro.com/2011/03/11/micro-project-ps2encoder/) PCBs have arrived. I had planned to offer as just a PCB and a kit option, but if folks are interested in an assembled version, I'd like to know. It looks like the PCB is $5.00, a PCB + a AVR + the minidin6 = $16.00, and a complete kit is $21.00. An assembled unit looks to add ~ 5.00 to the price. Please let me know if you have any interest in any of the options. Jim -- Jim Brain brain at jbrain.com www.jbrain.com

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I feel stupid here lj 4000tn

by a50mhzham＠gmail.com

At 08:46 PM 10/12/2011, you wrote: >hey >Im getting a used lj 4000tn off a friend of mine soon and i want to be ready >is the parallel port on the back a standard ieee 1284 or a hpcn36 mini >centronics >gotta make sure i have the right adaper cable to usb because my newer amd xp >comp does not have a pp port >thanx >chris The N in the 4000TN is for "network." Use Ethernet-- is much more better. 439 . [Humor] I like this new idea of voodoo acupuncture. You don't have to go anywhere, you just walk down the street, and all of a sudden, "Ah!" --Steven Wright NEW: a50mhzham at gmail.com ? N9QQB (amateur radio) "HEY YOU" (loud shouting) ? Second Tops (Set Dancing) ? FIND ME ON FACEBOOK 43? 7' 17.2" N by 88? 6' 28.9" W ? Elevation 815' ? Grid Square EN53wc LAN/Telecom Analyst ? Open-source Dude ? Musician ? Registered Linux User 385531

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Cool car!

by tshoppa＠wmata.com

Tom and the other Caltechies spoke many times of his 300SL but I had never seen it until now. I had however seen and helped move Tom's -11's many many times back and forth and around Pasadena :-). Somehow I knew, just seeing the subject line, that this would be about Tom's 300SL. Tim.

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Trackballs (was Re: Web as generic UI, remote computing service )

by feldman.r＠comcast.net

>Message: 5 >Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 11:00:02 -0700 (PDT) >From: Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> >On Wed, 12 Oct 2011, Doc Shipley wrote: > >> On 10/11/11 4:24 PM, Gene Buckle wrote: >>> On Tue, 11 Oct 2011, Dave McGuire wrote: >> >>>> -- >>>> Dave McGuire >>>> New Kensington, PA >>> ^^^^^^^^^^ >>> >>> Is that where those awesome trackballs are born? :) >> >> >> ?No, I believe Logitech is based in Washington State. >> >*snort* ?I've YET to see a trackball from Logitech that wouldn't be better >used as sling-shot ammo. :) ?They do make great mice though. :) > >g. > Get one of these: 2-1/4" Trackball with USB and PS/2 Interface, from Suzo-Happ ( http://na.suzohapp.com/trackballs/565600xx.htm ) and a couple of pushbuttons ( http://na.suzohapp.com/pushbuttons/539200xx.htm ) and build a case for the parts. These trackballs and pushbuttons are made for arcade game consoles and are super-rugged. I used them in exhibits at the Field Museum in Chicago and used one at work for 10+ years without any problems. The track balls are not cheap ($183), but are rock-solid. Bob

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HP 7980 tape drive in WA

by shumaker＠att.net

HP 7980 Tape drive in a cabinet Looks to be in good shape. Desc: "Turns on. cabinet locked" Located in Tumwater WA currently with 1 bidder at *$9.99* PublicSurplus.com item no: 624353

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Sending documents to bitsavers?

by bdwheele＠indiana.edu

Hey all! I recently followed up on a 4 year old comp.os.vms posting about the DEC InfoServer Local Area Disks protocol and in the process I managed to get a copy of the spec as well as a couple of other related ones. How would I submit these pdfs to bitsavers so they don't get lost to time? Thanks! Brian

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Dennis Ritchie has died

by evan＠snarc.net

https://plus.google.com/u/0/101960720994009339267/posts/ENuEDDYfvKP?hl=en Bad week for computer visionaries. :(

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I feel stupid here lj 4000tn

by halarewich＠gmail.com

hey Im getting a used lj 4000tn off a friend of mine soon and i want to be ready is the parallel port on the back a standard ieee 1284 or a hpcn36 mini centronics gotta make sure i have the right adaper cable to usb because my newer amd xp comp does not have a pp port thanx chris

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X11

by technobug＠comcast.net

<http://xkcd.com/963>

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looking for Seagate ST-1096N

by aek＠bitsavers.org

Trying to recover some data, and it looks like the logic board is dead. 80meg 3.5" SCSI Hoping not to have to buy the one on ebay for $128

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OT(?) : HP1630D Logic Analyser

by jonas＠otter.se

On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:37:49 -0700, Eric Smith <eric at brouhaha.com> wrote: > Tony Duell wrote about the HP 1630 logic analyzer: > > the fact that the pods can only be > > disconnected after rmeoving a cover plate means that the pods are > unlikely > > to get spearated from the unit and lost, for example. > > Nope. You underestimate how determined resellers are to destroy the > value of what they're reselling. I don't know why they do it. These do > in fact show up routinely without pods. Because they think they can make more money by selling the pods separately? It happens with old cameras as well, the camera is sold without its special take-up spool, which is sold separately for as much as the camera itself. And with cars, sell an old car in parts and you will get much more for it than if you sell it intact. /Jonas

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Steve Jobs -2011

by tshoppa＠wmata.com

>> The Mac Plus _did_ have an Apple-designed interface: The ADB port. >> However, as usual, this was thoroughly documented on the hardware and >> software side, and many third party peripherals were built. Ditto >> Appletalk serial - fully documented and specified, many third party >> peripherals. > where are they now? Kinda like asking "where is 20 mA current loop now?" They were proprietary in their origins but with open documentation and set a very good standard for how to implement desktop interfaces "right". ADB's concepts are strong and alive in USB. Appletalk's concepts are strong and alive in Ethernet. (I know, Ethernet predates Appletalk.) Tim.

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