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ebay: Tektronix 8540, 8560 emulator w/manuals, probes, etc.

by jonas＠otter.se

On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 00:25:19 -0600, Richard <legalize at xmission.com> wrote: > FYI... > <http://www.ebay.com/itm/260999371487> > > If you've been looking for this stuff, now is your chance... Wow, what a collection! And a Trigger Trace Analyzer, we had one, an expensive option IIRC, a logic analyzer built in to a board in the 8540 reading the emulated processor's signals and states directly. 4 separate triggers IIRC which could be interconnected in all sorts of ways by operating system commands. IIRC the 8540 is based on a rather unusual processor, Signetics 2650. /Jonas

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Commodore 64 conversion from NTSC to PAL

by arkaxow＠gmail.com

Does anyone have experience converting a Commodore 64 from NTSC to PAL ? Jeffrey Brace

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Micro-PROLOG

by spectre＠floodgap.com

Looking for any version of Micro-PROLOG by LPA. This was a modified version of Prolog for small systems and was most notable for translating the typical Horn clause into an almost Lisp-like syntax, but could still do a surprising amount of the language within limitations of the host computer. There were versions for Z80, 8086 and 6502, and possibly others. 6502 preferred but any version, especially with source code, appreciated. -- ------------------------------------ personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser at floodgap.com -- FORTUNE: You're wise, but not wise enough not to read this sort of drivel. -

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Old days of the Amiga

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Here's a dump of pictures from the early days of the Amiga... the first public developer's conference, a CES, a show in San Francisco, the first AmiExpo in New York... https://plus.google.com/photos/117735836648635794619/albums/573016527192731… - John

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commodore sx64 keyboard cable idea

by dgriffi＠cs.csubak.edu

I got the weird idea that the odd keyboard cable hood for the Commodore sx64 could be made out of wood fairly simply. Is there anyone here who is good at woodworking who'd be interested in doing some tinkering with me? -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

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RD53 Disk Not Rotating

by cctech＠beyondthepale.ie

> >When, like me, you don't know a lot about electronics beyond some >theoretical study as a student many years ago, it is especially satisfying >to make a repair like this. > I have a degree in electronic engineering. However it didn't help very much repairing old computer equipment. I had to figure out how to do that for myself from resources such as this list. > >With regard to your doorstops, if they are RD5x disks then I would be more >than happy to take them off your hands :-) Alternatively, I can share what >little I know about getting them working again (mainly RD53). > None of them started out as RDxx disks. Many were from a skip (dumpster) outside a closed PC repair shop. Others were pulls from old PCs that were being dumped at work. Some never worked but others worked well enough for me to format them using a VAX 2000 and gave reasonable service for a while before giving up with various problems. Regards, Peter Coghlan.

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Camtec jnt pad

by dave_rowland＠btinternet.com

Hi Does anyone have info on the jnt pad. We have one here at the museum but dont have docs. Looks like it works but not found a console access yet. Thanks Dave -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

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Jack Tramiel passed away

by rachael＠telefisk.org

And another father of beloved machines has passed into silicon heaven. http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2012/04/09/computer-legend-and-gamin… -- Jacob Dahl Pind | telefisk.org | fidonet 2:230/38.8

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Recognising old ?IBM modules

by peter＠vanpeborgh.eu

Guys, look at the picture in this eBay item.: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/260976748947?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p39… Anyone tell me what computer these modules belonged to? Many thaks, peter vp || | | | | | | | | Peter Van Peborgh 62 St Mary's Rise Writhlington Radstock Somerset BA3 3PD UK 01761 439 234 || | | | | | | | |

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archives of Tandy manuals

by dgriffi＠cs.csubak.edu

I seem to recall bitsavers.org keeping old Tandy manuals, but I must have been mistaken or something changed. Who collects these? I just now noticed that the scans I made of the TRS-80 PT-210 user and service manuals are nowhere to be found through Google. -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

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GAL fusemaps (16V8)

by cclist＠sydex.com

I've received reports that Lattice GAL16V8D's don't program correctly when fed National GAL16V8 JEDEC fusemaps. Has anyone else run into this? I mean to dig into this, but if anyone knows off the top of the head, it'd save some work. EQN2JED was used as the assembler in both cases. I'm going to try CUPL and see if the results are the same. --Chuck

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HP-UX 10.20 B4474FA Netstation Software Codeword?

by glen.slick＠gmail.com

I recently acquired an HP Envizex II Netstation X-Terminal which I would like to try out. I have a base HP-UX 10.20 OS running on an HP B160L and I have an original set of HP-UX 10.20 install media CDs, but apparently a Codeword is necessary to install the B4474FA HP Netstation Software from the CD. I don't have any Codewords for this set of install media CDs. Is there any way to obtain a Codeword to install the Netstation Software from the HP-UX 10.20 install media that I have? http://www.hp.com/softwarereleases/releases-media2/media/3710366.htm HP9000 Series 9000/700 HP-UX Application Software CD Part Number - B3782-10366 B4474FA, HP Netstation Software, Codeword Required: Yes, Size: 115622777 -Glen

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New release of IBM 360/30 code for Digilent Spartan 3

by lawrence＠ljw.me.uk

Having finally got back onto this project a few months ago, I have prepared another release of the code from my IBM 360/30 emulation project for the Digilent Xilinx Spartan 3 board. The main differences from the previous release are: * 64k storage in external static RAM * 1050 Console typewriter/keyboard implemented using the serial port * Main storage initialisation from a file stored in the flash rom (This can be generated from a Hercules PCH file) * Lots of little bug fixes The main limitation is that the 1050 is the only peripheral available. There is a known bug: The first character output by the 1050 on each SIO is duplicated. There are probably lots more hiding. Everything is available at http://www.ljw.me.uk/ibm360/vhdl/ Future tasks: Implement printers/readers/punches via multiplexor channel Implement tapes/DASD via selector channel and flash disk -- Lawrence Wilkinson lawrence at ljw.me.uk The IBM 360/30 page http://www.ljw.me.uk/ibm360

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RD53 Disk Not Rotating

by cctech＠beyondthepale.ie

> >Just in case anyone is interested, replacing the failed Darlington >transistor fixed the problem. The RD53 now spins the disk again. Thanks to >everyone who helped. > Some people enjoy repairing things. I find it a bit of a drudge. What I enjoy is the feeling of satisfaction when a repair succeeds :-) Well done to all involved. I am now looking with renewed interest at my pile of doorstops which once spun. Regards, Peter Coghlan.

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RD53 Disk Not Rotating

by robert.jarratt＠ntlworld.com

I acquired an RD53 disk recently. I have just been trying it out. The heads were stuck, as usual, but the main thing is that the disk itself will not rotate. The locking mechanism that keeps the heads parked releases on power up but that is all that happens. I have not come across this particular kind of failure before, does anyone have any suggestions for common causes of this kind of failure? Regards Rob

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The Terminals Wiki

by cctech＠beyondthepale.ie

> >The Terminals Wiki is open for public browsing! ><http://terminals.classiccmp.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page> > >This is a joint project between myself (username Legalize), >Jason T (username Silent700) and Ian Primus (username Sark). >I am the wiki administrator. > >My intention was to create a single reference site for everything we >can find about terminals. > Well done - this looks like it will be a useful reference point. I have a user guide for an ICL model 6402 Character Display Terminal which I used in 1988. It may be compatible with a Televideo 950 (or maybe 925). I only used it as a fairly basic terminal but IIRC it seemed to have an endless number of features that I never felt the need to use. I only have the manual, not the terminal. If someone has the terminal and not the manual, I would be happy to give them the manual or scan it for them. I am looking for a maintenance manual for a Lear Siegler ADM-5. I found the manual for the ADM-3A on bitsavers (thanks Al!) and this helped me to fix one of my ADM-5 terminals but my other one has a fault that I think is in an area with significant differences to the ADM-3A. Regards, Peter Coghlan.

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Terminals Wiki needs an IBM terminals expert

by legalize＠xmission.com

Frankly, IBM terminal land is completely unknown to me. I am looking for a volunteer to contribute information about terminals from IBM and other manufacturers that were intended for the IBM mainframe world. Let me know if you're interested! The pay is nonexistent and it's entirely a labor of love on your part, but I think we're off to a good start. However, the wiki is almost completely lacking on IBM mainframe type terminals. -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 version available for download <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com/the-direct3d-graphics-pipeline/> Legalize Adulthood! <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com>

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Camtec jnt pad

by cctech＠beyondthepale.ie

> >Its a X25 Packet/Assembler/Dissasembler. It allows ordinary Async >Terminals to be connected to an X.25 network. In the UK all Universities >had such networks under the umbrella of JANET. Some at Janet probably >has a manual. I have forgotten almost every thing I know about them. I >have asked one of my former colleagues if he has any info. > These were also to be found in Irish Universities where early networking was also X.25 based. I have a small stash of X.25 capable kit which I have no real interest in. It is available for free to anyone interested and is located in Dublin, Ireland. I would prefer collection but will consider shipping if someone is really keen. Among the bits and pieces are two Satelcom X.25 switches. Both are marked MegaPAC E but they are different sizes. Also a DEC DEMSA and two DEMSB X.25 routers (manufactured in DEC's former facility in Clonmel, Ireland) and some cables. And the connection with this thread? The DEMSA has a sticker on one of the ports which says "Camtec". Regards, Peter Coghlan.

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cctech Digest, Vol 104, Issue 21

by jonas＠otter.se

On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:23:49 +0100, "Rob Jarratt" <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote: > > I need to replace a transistor in my H7140 PSU for my PDP11/24. The > transistor is marked GPSA55J3 and the printset identifies it as "XA > 55 PNP > 500MW SI 60 50 P", it is in a TO-92 package. I have tried to find > specs for > an A55 and can only find partial matches, so I am not sure what > today's > equivalent would be. Can anyone help me work out what the equivalent > today > would be? > > Thanks > > Rob Sounds like a 60V, 500mW device. BC556, MPSA-56. A BC161 might also work, except it is in a TO-39 case, or a 2N2907 in a TO-18 case. Looking at the printset on vt100.net, none of the A55 transistors appear to be doing anything terribly demanding, so any of the above ought to work. /Jonas

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VMS Problem, please help..

by cctech＠beyondthepale.ie

> >There are orher problems now with that VIM Source, the files blowfish.c and >sha356.c take very very much time to compile. I do have an account on >Vaxmans VAX7000/820 and even on this machine the compiling was not done after >13hrs of CPU Time. SHA356.c behaves pretty much similar. >I'll look later this day if the compiling gets done on this machine, on my >VS4000 the same process is running now for 12hrs on the CPU and the >VS4000/90 isn't the slowest VAX so far as I know... > Well, my curiosity got the better of me. I downloaded VIM73-69 for VMS and attempted to compile blowfish.c on my VAX 4000/100A with VAX/VMS 7.1 and DECC V6.4-005. I don't have MMS or MMK installed so I had to hack a little to make it work. I found that after some seconds work, the compiler went into a CPU bound loop and seemingly did nothing useful after that (unless it is thinking hard and will come up with something useful some time from now!). The source is not large so I was able to find that the part that the compiler was having difficulties with was these two lines of macros in bf_e_block(): F1(0) F2(1) F1(2) F2(3) F1(4) F2(5) F1(6) F2(7) F1(8) F2(9) F1(10) F2(11) F1(12) F2(13) F1(14) F2(15) I found that if I commented out F1(10) F2(11) F1(12) F2(13) F1(14) F2(15) the compile would complete in just under a minute. Next I tried commenting out just F2(11) F1(12) F2(13) F1(14) F2(15) and then the compile completed in around 7 minutes. It took about the same time if I only commented out F1(12) F2(13) F1(14) F2(15). If I commented only F2(13) F1(14) F2(15) the compile took nearly two hours! Finally, it dawned on me to try compiling the original code with /NOOPTIMISE and this completed in 30 seconds! So, it appears that something in those two lines is causing the optimiser to spend way too much time doing something. At least the good news is that if you compile blowfish.c (and perhaps sha356.c) without optimisation, it should be possible to get it done in a reasonable amount of time. Maybe the compile you are currently running will also complete eventually. Regards, Peter Coghlan.

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The Terminals Wiki

by silent700＠gmail.com

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Bill Sudbrink <wh.sudbrink at verizon.net> wrote: > ? Interesting that one of your partners goes by Silent700 > ? but there are no Texas Instruments terminals in your wiki > ? yet. ?If you're interested, I'm going to be bringing one > ? of the last variants of the 700 to VCF East next month to > ? use as a printing terminal on my SWTPc. Yeah yeah.....it's all In the Works, Check's in the Mail, Real Soon Now. Richard probably has more S700s than I do, anyway ;) Seriously, though, Richard has done a ton of work on this, from wrangling his own voluminous collection to deciphering the WikiSpeak necessary to make this a pro job. I look forward to contributing! -j -- (Real Soon Now)

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Multi-node SGI Onyx2 startup help

by jplist2008＠kiwigeek.com

Greetings; Long-story-short, a couple of years ago I picked up six Onyx2 racks and have been moving them around with me without ever actually firing them up. I've finally got myself sorted and have been slowly working through bringing things up and having some successes, but every step closer has me finding a new problem. My set-up right now has one graphics head and five compute nodes cabled together in a daisy-chain (not enough CrayLinks for anything else). It appears all but one of the MMSCs are shot, so I'm doing manual start-ups using the keys. My current confusion is how to nominate which system becomes the Global Master. For some odd reason whenever I bring up three racks the machine I've "picked" as the master (keyboard/mouse/gfx head) comes up just fine and boots into IRIX, but whenever I add two more nodes things get a bit more fuzzy and the Global Master appears to migrate around. I had initially believed that the last rack in the power-up sequence would always become the Global Master, since it goes and finds all the rest, but this apparently is not the case... or perhaps there are corollaries I'm unaware of. The more times I turn this thing on and off the more hardware is failing on me, not unexpectedly. I've lost a PSU, a node board and now one of the racks has started making a worryingly hot-electrical smell. I'd really like to get it all working together just once before I get old and grey. Cheers; - JP

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VMS Problem, please help..

by cctech＠beyondthepale.ie

> >I have cleared this in the meantime with some help of B. Ulmann aka vaxman. >The paging file was much to small, I've diabled swapping and created a >much bigger pagefile.sys (500000 blocks), raised PGFLQUOTA to 130000 blocks >and some other things. The compiling doesn't stop now anymore because of >vm-space outage. > I'm glad the original problem is solved. > >There are orher problems now with that VIM Source, the files blowfish.c and >sha356.c take very very much time to compile. I do have an account on >Vaxmans VAX7000/820 and even on this machine the compiling was not done after >13hrs of CPU Time. SHA356.c behaves pretty much similar. >I'll look later this day if the compiling gets done on this machine, on my >VS4000 the same process is running now for 12hrs on the CPU and the >VS4000/90 isn't the slowest VAX so far as I know... > You can check what the compiler is doing with the command: $ SHOW PROCESS /CONTINUOUS /ID=xxxxxxxx where xxxxxxxx is the process id of the process doing the compile. You can also use MONITOR to see what the whole machine is doing. $ MONITOR MODES will tell you which processor modes are in use most. If it shows mostly user mode, the compile is CPU bound. If it shows mostly kernel mode or interrupt stack, there is an i/o bottleneck. If it shows mostly idle, something is wrong and the compiler is not getting sufficient access to the machines resources. $ MONITOR PROCESSES /TOPCPU should show the compiling process as getting most of the CPU. If something else is getting a significant amount of CPU, there may be something wrong. I've compiled a fair amount of C on my VAX 4000/100A which is also pretty fast and on my VAX 3100 model 76 which is less fast and I don't remember any single source file taking anything like even 1 hour to compile. Are the sources involved particularly large or complex? Does the compile show any signs of making progress (for instance, is the object file or listing file growing in size) or could it be stuck in a loop doing nothing useful? Is there too much detail being logged in the listing file resulting in a huge listing output? You haven't said whether you did an AUTOGEN or not. If you have not, I would suggest doing one as this should help sort out any other system parameters that might be incorrect. > >I'll report later what happens.. > I'd certainly be interested to know what's going on. Regards, Peter Coghlan.

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The Terminals Wiki

by legalize＠xmission.com

In article <06fa01cd1743$79aea9f0$6d0bfdd0$@sudbrink at verizon.net>, "Bill Sudbrink" <wh.sudbrink at verizon.net> writes: > Interesting that one of your partners goes by Silent700 > but there are no Texas Instruments terminals in your wiki > yet. Yes, isn't that interesting? I'll let him defend himself on that point. :-) -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 version available for download <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com/the-direct3d-graphics-pipeline/> Legalize Adulthood! <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com>

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Jack Tramiel passed away

by dm561＠torfree.net

----- Original Message: Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 16:18:16 -0400 From: Keith Monahan <keithvz at verizon.net> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Jack Tramiel passed away Message-ID: <4F834408.8020104 at verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 4/9/2012 3:35 PM, David Riley wrote: > On Apr 9, 2012, at 3:06 PM, Keith Monahan wrote: > >> On 4/9/2012 2:29 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote: >>> That's a shame. His impact on computing is frequently forgotten these >>> days. >> >> It should probably be noted that Jack was a pretty ruthless business man ----- Reply: Umm, why "should it be noted," especially a few days after his death? Whether it's Bill Gates, Steve Jobs or Jack Tramiel, why do some people feel the need to insult and criticize (especially immediately after their death in the case of the latter two) these people who did what they had to in order to survive and be competitive and make the huge contributions that they did to the field which is a hobby and a vocation for most of us? Being "nice" doesn't usually succeed in a cutthroat field like computer hardware and software; I don't think I'd call Jack "ruthless" but perhaps his time in a concentration camp did give him a stronger sense of what it takes to survive than some people. >> and made decisions that were contrary to a stable and reliable machine >> and accessories. I don't know; all my PETs, VIC20s and all except one C64 are still working as well as when they were new; other than C64 power packs and PALs overheating, what decisions resulted in unreliable and unstable machines and accessories? The drive interface issue you mention was precisely the result of a compromise to make it reliable and stable (albeit slow). >> I hope I'm remembering correctly, but I think the 1541 was a victim of >> Jack Tramiel's rush-to-market engineering. Again, I don't know if Jack was personally responsible, but yes, getting new product "out there" before the competition has always been crucially important and yes, sometimes decisions are made that have repercussions long afterwards due to backward compatibility issues (640Kb oughta be enough for everyone...) In any case, the VIC20/1541 issue created an opportunity for numerous third-parties to market speed-up solutions. Let's give Jack the respect and credit he deserves and let him rest in peace. m

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VMS Problem, please help..

by cctech＠beyondthepale.ie

> >Ok, THX guys, >I've managed to get this thing running again, don't ask me how :-) > It's hard to know how to advise you where to go next when you don't tell us where you are now :-) > >But my first problem, the cause of the fiddling with the system paramaters >persists. > >This is the VIM73-69 source for VMS: > > The adequate command for mmk is: > > mmk /descrip=Make_vms.mms > > NOTE: Because of empty /auto/config.h (needed for Unix configure) >build > will fail with very strange messages. Therefore before building, it is > recommended to make one clean up, to prepare everything for OpenVMS > development. The command is: > > Buffer: INSTALLVMS.TXT | Write | Insert | >Forward > > > >$ mms /descrip=Make_vms.mms > >using DECW/Motif/XPM environment. >creating OS_VMS_MOTIF.OPT file. >cc /def=("FEAT_BIG","HAVE_CONFIG_H","FEAT_GUI_MOTIF","HAVE_XPM" ) >/opt/prefix= >all /include=([.proto],decw$include:) BLOWFISH.C >%CLI-F-TEXT, Compiler abort - virtual memory limits exceeded. >%SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort >%MMS-F-ABORT, For target BLOWFISH.OBJ, CLI returned abort status: >%X0000002C. >-SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort >$ > > >I've googled for the error and found this: > >http://www.jcameron.com/vms/em12.htm > >...that was the beginning of the problem. > [snip] > >So what should I do next to try to compile that VIM source (hopefully w/o >to destroying the system again) > That webpage has some good advice. The C compiler installation guide should include details on what SYSGEN parameters and user quotas need to be set to for the compiler to function properly as well as how to set them. If you don't have the installation guide, I would suggest finding out what VIRTUALPAGECNT is now and if it is "small", increase it is smaller steps than previously using AUTOGEN (not using SYSGEN, if that's what was used before). $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$GETSYI("VIRTUALPAGECNT") will tell you what VIRTUALPAGECNT is set to now. Suppose it 64000. You could try adding the line: MIN_VIRTUALPAGECNT=100000 to the bottom of SYS$SYSTEM:MODPARAMS.DAT using the editor. and then use the following command to run AUTOGEN: $ @SYS$UPDATE:AUTOGEN SAVPARAMS SETPARAMS Then review the log files that AUTOGEN says it is producing and if things look good, shut down and reboot. Next, make sure that the userid running the compile has as much page file quota as VIRTUALPAGECNT will allow: $ SET DEFAULT SYS$SYSTEM $ RUN AUTHORIZE MODIFY HOLM /PGFLQUOTA=100000 If the userid is already logged in, be sure to log out and log back in to get the new user quota to take effect. Then retry the compile. If it still fails, check that VIRTUALPAGECNT has indeed been increased as expected and use: $ SHOW PROCESS /QUOTA in the same process as attemtped the compile to see what its pagefile quota is set to. If they are as expected and the compile still fails, try increasing both items some more as per the above procedure. Maybe try 150000 if 100000 is not sufficient. > >The VS4000 has 64 Mbytes of Ram, I think that should be sufficient to >compile something like this, so it seems to me that some quote values are >the problem. > What a process sees is virtual memory, not physical memory. The amount of virtual memory a process can use depends on system parameters such as VIRTUALPAGECNT (and BALSETCNT as pointed out by someone else) and user quotas such as PGFLQUOTA and the size of the page file on disk. The process can end up seeing less memory than physically exists or more memory than physically exists depending on how various system parameters are set and how big the page file is. VMS has lots of parameters to control memory allocation in order to try to avoid just giving processes what they ask for and ending up leaving other more important processes starved for memory when they need it. Regards, Peter Coghlan.

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11/70 bus

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Does anyone know offhand if it's possible to use the "BCT" slot for an RH70 in the PDP-11/70 backplane as a standard Unibus slot, for, say, an RX211 or something like that? It would seem to be a normal Unibus slot, it even requires that a grant card be installed if that RH70 board set isn't installed. I can dig through the print sets for hours to find this out, but if someone knows offhand I'd appreciate an express clue delivery. Thanks, -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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VCF East update

by evan＠snarc.net

Less than one month to go .... we're up to 21 exhibits, four or five lectures (I forget exactly; adding one more this week), and seven technical workshops. All the details are posted at http://www.vintage.org/2012/east/ and http://www.facebook.com/vcfeast8 .... if ever you considered attending VCF East, then let this be the year!

14 years, 2 months

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What is this Vadic thing ?

by jonas＠otter.se

On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 21:25:47 -0500, Adrian Stoness <tdk.knight at gmail.com> wrote: > whats a scratch monkey? Scratch monkey is from a lab accident where real monkeys were killed owing to diagnostics being run on a computer: http://edp.org/monkey.htm This may or may not be an urban legend /Jonas

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how do you crack (open) a Rainbow mono monitor?

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

for the purpose of expunging the screen rot. Need to get behind the screen thingee there

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Jack Tramiel dead. :(

by wgungfu＠gmail.com

Guys, just got confirmation from his son Leonard, a friend of mine. I'm sorry to say that Jack passed away yesterday. The man was an immense influence in the consumer electronics/computing industry whose legacy allowed many of us to enjoy years of great memories. My sincerest thoughts goes out to his family in their time of loss. Curt and I were supposed to interview him next week for the book on Atari Corp. Was really excited to get the chance to meet and spend time him. :( -- Marty

14 years, 3 months

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VMS Problem, please help..

by holm＠freibergnet.de

Jonas Otter wrote: > On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 14:30:23 +0200, Holm Tiffe <holm at freibergnet.de> wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I've tried to compile the VIM-7.3 Sources on my freshly installed VS4000, > >and entered a pitfall here. > >Since the C Compiler was complaining that the virtuel memory is exhaustet, > >I'veed the PGFLQUOTA for the user to 104826 and the VIRTUALPAGCNT SYSGEN > >Value to 2097152 (max was displayed as 4194304) > >I've let run autogen and ebooted. > > > >Now the system ewfuses to boot: > > > >%SYSBOOT-W-WS default and quota raised to PHD+MINWSCNT > >%SYSBOOT-F-VASOV, system virtual address space exeeded > >?06 HLT INST > > PC= 00009631 PSL=041F0000 > > From the VMS error messages manual at > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/6023/6023pro_019.html : > > VASOVF, system virtual address space limit exceeded > > > *Facility:*SYSBOOT, System Bootstrap Facility > *Explanation:*The combination of SYSGEN parameters used to specify > various capacities within the operating system have pushed the size of > the operating system address space over the limit allowed by the VAX > architecture. > *User Action:*Reduce one of the parameters (BALSETCNT or VIRTUALPAGECNT > (VAX only)) that contribute to the virtual address space size required > by the OpenVMS system. By using AUTOGEN to set these values for your > system, you avoid selection of parameter combinations that cause system > space to overflow its architectural boundaries. > > To recover, perform a conversational boot (i.e. the boot process will > let you modify system parameters to recover from a situation like > yours). It is described here: > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82final/aa-pv5mj-tk/00/00/34-con.html > > Use the "booting with default system parameters" section. You probably > then need to reduce VIRTUALPAGECNT below the value you have set (which > gives a 2GB virtual address space) because the VAX architecture allows > max. 2 GB virtual memory and you are probably just over the limit. > > The VMS documentation is excellent, you will find it online here: > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/ > > and this is a good manual to start with: > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82FINAL/aa-pv5mj-tk/aa-pv5mj-tk.HTMl > (you will find it from the page above by following the link "OpenVMS > Operating System" to the left. > > /Jonas Ok, THX guys, I've managed to get this thing running again, don't ask me how :-) But my first problem, the cause of the fiddling with the system paramaters persists. This is the VIM73-69 source for VMS: The adequate command for mmk is: mmk /descrip=Make_vms.mms NOTE: Because of empty /auto/config.h (needed for Unix configure) build will fail with very strange messages. Therefore before building, it is recommended to make one clean up, to prepare everything for OpenVMS development. The command is: Buffer: INSTALLVMS.TXT | Write | Insert | Forward $ mms /descrip=Make_vms.mms using DECW/Motif/XPM environment. creating OS_VMS_MOTIF.OPT file. cc /def=("FEAT_BIG","HAVE_CONFIG_H","FEAT_GUI_MOTIF","HAVE_XPM" ) /opt/prefix= all /include=([.proto],decw$include:) BLOWFISH.C %CLI-F-TEXT, Compiler abort - virtual memory limits exceeded. %SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort %MMS-F-ABORT, For target BLOWFISH.OBJ, CLI returned abort status: %X0000002C. -SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort $ I've googled for the error and found this: http://www.jcameron.com/vms/em12.htm ...that was the beginning of the problem. $ set proc/priv=all $ r authorize UAF> sh holm Username: HOLM Owner: Holm Tiffe Account: UIC: [200,201] ([HOLM]) CLI: DCL Tables: DCLTABLES Default: DKA0:[HOLM] LGICMD: LOGIN Flags: Primary days: Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Secondary days: Sat Sun No access restrictions Expiration: (none) Pwdminimum: 6 Login Fails: 0 Pwdlifetime: 90 00:00 Pwdchange: 3-APR-2012 20:05 Last Login: 7-APR-2012 11:40 (interactive), 7-APR-2012 11:34 (non-interactive) Maxjobs: 0 Fillm: 300 Bytlm: 32768 Maxacctjobs: 0 Shrfillm: 0 Pbytlm: 0 Maxdetach: 0 BIOlm: 40 JTquota: 4096 Prclm: 2 DIOlm: 40 WSdef: 256 Prio: 4 ASTlm: 100 WSquo: 512 Queprio: 0 TQElm: 40 WSextent: 1024 CPU: (none) Enqlm: 200 Pgflquo: 40960 Authorized Privileges: ACNT ALLSPOOL ALTPRI AUDIT BUGCHK BYPASS CMEXEC CMKRNL IMPERSONATDIAGNOSE DOWNGRADE EXQUOTA GROUP GRPNAM GRPPRV IMPORT LOG_IO MOUNT NETMBX OPER PFNMAP PHY_IO PRMCEB PRMGBL PRMMBX PSWAPM READALL SECURITY SETPRV SHARE SHMEM SYSGBL SYSLCK SYSNAM SYSPRV TMPMBX UPGRADE VOLPRO WORLD Default Privileges: NETMBX TMPMBX UAF> So what should I do next to try to compile that VIM source (hopefully w/o to destroying the system again) The VS4000 has 64 Mbytes of Ram, I think that should be sufficient to compile something like this, so it seems to me that some quote values are the problem. Kind Regards, Holm -- Technik Service u. Handel Tiffe, www.tsht.de, Holm Tiffe, Freiberger Stra?e 42, 09600 Obersch?na, USt-Id: DE253710583 www.tsht.de, info at tsht.de, Fax +49 3731 74200, Mobil: 0172 8790 741

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pdp8 tapes trays core memory ebay auction

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 04/07/2012 01:43 PM, Scott Mickey wrote: > I need someone to educate me as to why this DEC hardware is worth > more than $1K: > eBay auction - > "DEC PDP-8 paper tape software, books and core memory card" > http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320880958746 > At first I thought it was a gag, but then I looked at the number of > bidders and the amounts. Do you know any (for example) classic car enthusiasts? Do you know any of them who have TRULY rare or historically-significant cars? Ask them how much they'd pay for parts, or for entire vehicles. But, I respectfully submit, if you have to ask the question, you wouldn't understand the answer. > I know there are a lot of older fellows out there holding on to their > PDP and VAX hardware because they are quite fond of it. However, at > some point each comes to the conclusion that unless they want to be > buried with their computers, the same as the egyptian pharaohs were > buried with their gold, they need to find a new home for them. > A fellow who was on oxygen and too weak to pick up his computers any > longer kindly give me two fully loaded VAXServer 3400's for free. > A few years later, from another retired gentleman, I received a > VT103 (11/23), VT100, RX02 (dual 8" flop drives), a pair of > CDC 9427H "Hawk" drives (which about KILLED me when I lifted each > one by myself), dozens of floppies, and a dozen 14" rigid platter > disk cartridges. I got all of this for free too. I did pay $100 > for a MicroVAX II, with all original tapes and manuals. It has been > very educational learning all this old hardware and running the > early UNIXes on real hardware (not an emulator). I found all these > people and all of this stuff locally on craigslist. So when I see > bits of DEC paper tape and core memory going for more than $1000, > I am flabbergasted. Completely. Shouldn't this money be staying > in your retirement account? (No offense intended). Why is this > particular stuff so valuable? "I got this amazing, incredible deal once (or even got lucky enough to get such a deal TWICE!), therefore they're all like that." No, I'm sorry, that's not the way it works. You got lucky. Twice. Don't take it for granted. I know people who would skip meals for the hardware you listed. I wouldn't, but there ARE computer-related things I'd skip meals to acquire, with no hesitation. Just like any REAL classic car person...except the car stuff is a lot more common. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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To Rob Jarrett, sorry about posting this publically

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

Sorry for psoting this publically, but a private reply to Rob got a bounce 'due to unacceptable content'. OK, I probalby wouldn't talk about soldering iron bits in polite compnay, but I cna think of many worse words to use :-) -tony > > Hello Tony, > > > > If you recall I got a Weller TCP probably just like yours. I have a couple > > of PT-AA8 tips, but they seem a bit too big for working with some of the > > boards I need to work with. > > > > What tips would you recommend for working with the H7140 PSU (and the RD53 > > motor control board)? > > Well I use a PT-AA8 for just about everything. There is a finer one > (PT-O8???) which I use for some SMD work (but a lot of that gets done > with the PT-AA8 actually). > > Certainly it should be OK for the PSU and RD53 boards. > > -tony >

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pdp8 tapes trays core memory ebay auction

by tdk.knight＠gmail.com

indeed http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/1291/boxus.jpg http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/9946/atomcomps.jpg http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg717/scaled.php?server=717&filename=atom005… http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg803/scaled.php?server=803&filename=atom004… http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg189/scaled.php?server=189&filename=handboo… http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/228/2dec.jpg http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg842/scaled.php?server=842&filename=boxsx.j… On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Scott Mickey <scott.m.18 at atsgate.com> wrote: > Adrian Stoness wrote: >> i was bidding on it from the start quite strongly . . . > I switched to JBidwatcher recently, as I have always preferred to > bid against the clock, not other people. > http://www.jbidwatcher.com/ > It is a Java app and will run with Solaris or Linux. ?Launch with: > java -Xmx512m -jar JBidwatcher-2.5.jar > Or if you ahve more mainstream hardware, it runs on Windows or OS X. > It's free. ?I have only used it for a couple of auctions so far, > but have found it works well. ?-For what it's worth. > And on your free pdp8a, I think it is true that the free stuff is > often the best. ?Maybe just because of the hardware itself, or > perhaps also because it was given with an unspoken contract that > you are to take care of it. > Scott > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adrian Stoness" <tdk.knight at gmail.com> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 5:56 PM > Subject: Re: pdp8 tapes trays core memory ebay auction > >>i put a 500$ bid in on that auction didn't expect this and it proly >> shot up that high cause i was biding on it from the start quite >> stronglyv and my bid was based on what i have seen these individual >> items go for so i am kinda shocked >> >> as for freebees i score a free pdp8a my pride n joy of my collection >> and have been aquiring parts for it ever since like rk05's and >> controllors rl02's >> >> as for you talk about freebees mines not as nice as ur stuff but i did >> score a pdp8a with all its software manuals drawings asr33 x2 >> On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Scott Mickey <scott.m.18 at atsgate.com> > wrote: >>> I need someone to educate me as to why this DEC hardware is worth >>> more than $1K: >>> eBay auction - >>> "DEC PDP-8 paper tape software, books and core memory card" >>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320880958746 >>> At first I thought it was a gag, but then I looked at the number of >>> bidders and the amounts. >>> I know there are a lot of older fellows out there holding on to their >>> PDP and VAX hardware because they are quite fond of it. However, at >>> some point each comes to the conclusion that unless they want to be >>> buried with their computers, the same as the egyptian pharaohs were >>> buried with their gold, they need to find a new home for them. >>> A fellow who was on oxygen and too weak to pick up his computers any >>> longer kindly give me two fully loaded VAXServer 3400's for free. >>> A few years later, from another retired gentleman, I received a >>> VT103 (11/23), VT100, RX02 (dual 8" flop drives), a pair of >>> CDC 9427H "Hawk" drives (which about KILLED me when I lifted each >>> one by myself), dozens of floppies, and a dozen 14" rigid platter >>> disk cartridges. I got all of this for free too. I did pay $100 >>> for a MicroVAX II, with all original tapes and manuals. It has been >>> very educational learning all this old hardware and running the >>> early UNIXes on real hardware (not an emulator). I found all these >>> people and all of this stuff locally on craigslist. So when I see >>> bits of DEC paper tape and core memory going for more than $1000, >>> I am flabbergasted. Completely. Shouldn't this money be staying >>> in your retirement account? (No offense intended). Why is this >>> particular stuff so valuable? >>> Thank you for your time today. >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Adrian Stoness" >>> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" >>> <cctalk at classiccmp.org> >>> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 6:19 PM >>> Subject: pdp8 tapes trays core memory ebay auction >>> >>>> i put bid in and went to work at 6am and see this when i get back >>>> 1100 bucks :O >>>> >>> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&nma= >>> > true&item=320880958746&si=6c9FJZXW%252BgdjnHCVq%252FpYYQ4M3tI%253D&viewitem= >>> &sspagename=ADME%3AB%3AEOIBUAA%3ACA%3A3160&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc >>>> > >

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pdp8 tapes trays core memory ebay auction

by scott.m.18＠atsgate.com

Adrian Stoness wrote: > i was bidding on it from the start quite strongly . . . I switched to JBidwatcher recently, as I have always preferred to bid against the clock, not other people. http://www.jbidwatcher.com/ It is a Java app and will run with Solaris or Linux. Launch with: java -Xmx512m -jar JBidwatcher-2.5.jar Or if you ahve more mainstream hardware, it runs on Windows or OS X. It's free. I have only used it for a couple of auctions so far, but have found it works well. -For what it's worth. And on your free pdp8a, I think it is true that the free stuff is often the best. Maybe just because of the hardware itself, or perhaps also because it was given with an unspoken contract that you are to take care of it. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Stoness" <tdk.knight at gmail.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 5:56 PM Subject: Re: pdp8 tapes trays core memory ebay auction >i put a 500$ bid in on that auction didn't expect this and it proly > shot up that high cause i was biding on it from the start quite > stronglyv and my bid was based on what i have seen these individual > items go for so i am kinda shocked > > as for freebees i score a free pdp8a my pride n joy of my collection > and have been aquiring parts for it ever since like rk05's and > controllors rl02's > > as for you talk about freebees mines not as nice as ur stuff but i did > score a pdp8a with all its software manuals drawings asr33 x2 > On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Scott Mickey <scott.m.18 at atsgate.com> wrote: >> I need someone to educate me as to why this DEC hardware is worth >> more than $1K: >> eBay auction - >> "DEC PDP-8 paper tape software, books and core memory card" >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320880958746 >> At first I thought it was a gag, but then I looked at the number of >> bidders and the amounts. >> I know there are a lot of older fellows out there holding on to their >> PDP and VAX hardware because they are quite fond of it. However, at >> some point each comes to the conclusion that unless they want to be >> buried with their computers, the same as the egyptian pharaohs were >> buried with their gold, they need to find a new home for them. >> A fellow who was on oxygen and too weak to pick up his computers any >> longer kindly give me two fully loaded VAXServer 3400's for free. >> A few years later, from another retired gentleman, I received a >> VT103 (11/23), VT100, RX02 (dual 8" flop drives), a pair of >> CDC 9427H "Hawk" drives (which about KILLED me when I lifted each >> one by myself), dozens of floppies, and a dozen 14" rigid platter >> disk cartridges. I got all of this for free too. I did pay $100 >> for a MicroVAX II, with all original tapes and manuals. It has been >> very educational learning all this old hardware and running the >> early UNIXes on real hardware (not an emulator). I found all these >> people and all of this stuff locally on craigslist. So when I see >> bits of DEC paper tape and core memory going for more than $1000, >> I am flabbergasted. Completely. Shouldn't this money be staying >> in your retirement account? (No offense intended). Why is this >> particular stuff so valuable? >> Thank you for your time today. >> >> Scott >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Adrian Stoness" >> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" >> <cctalk at classiccmp.org> >> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 6:19 PM >> Subject: pdp8 tapes trays core memory ebay auction >> >>> i put bid in and went to work at 6am and see this when i get back >>> 1100 bucks :O >>> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&nma= >> true&item=320880958746&si=6c9FJZXW%252BgdjnHCVq%252FpYYQ4M3tI%253D&viewitem= >> &sspagename=ADME%3AB%3AEOIBUAA%3ACA%3A3160&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc >>>

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pdp8 tapes trays core memory ebay auction

by scott.m.18＠atsgate.com

> On 04/07/2012 01:43 PM, Scott Mickey wrote: >> I need someone to educate me as to why this DEC hardware is worth >> more than $1K: >> eBay auction - >> "DEC PDP-8 paper tape software, books and core memory card" >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320880958746 >> At first I thought it was a gag, but then I looked at the number of >> bidders and the amounts. On Saturday, April 07, 2012 5:20 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: > > Do you know any (for example) classic car enthusiasts? Do you know > any of them who have TRULY rare or historically-significant cars? Ask > them how much they'd pay for parts, or for entire vehicles. But, I > respectfully submit, if you have to ask the question, you wouldn't > understand the answer. > >> I know there are a lot of older fellows out there holding on to their >> PDP and VAX hardware because they are quite fond of it. However, at >> some point each comes to the conclusion that unless they want to be >> buried with their computers, the same as the egyptian pharaohs were >> buried with their gold, they need to find a new home for them. >> A fellow who was on oxygen and too weak to pick up his computers any >> longer kindly give me two fully loaded VAXServer 3400's for free. >> A few years later, from another retired gentleman, I received a >> VT103 (11/23), VT100, RX02 (dual 8" flop drives), a pair of >> CDC 9427H "Hawk" drives (which about KILLED me when I lifted each >> one by myself), dozens of floppies, and a dozen 14" rigid platter >> disk cartridges. I got all of this for free too. I did pay $100 >> for a MicroVAX II, with all original tapes and manuals. It has been >> very educational learning all this old hardware and running the >> early UNIXes on real hardware (not an emulator). I found all these >> people and all of this stuff locally on craigslist. So when I see >> bits of DEC paper tape and core memory going for more than $1000, >> I am flabbergasted. Completely. Shouldn't this money be staying >> in your retirement account? (No offense intended). Why is this >> particular stuff so valuable? > > "I got this amazing, incredible deal once (or even got lucky enough to > get such a deal TWICE!), therefore they're all like that." > > No, I'm sorry, that's not the way it works. You got lucky. Twice. > Don't take it for granted. I know people who would skip meals for the > hardware you listed. I wouldn't, but there ARE computer-related things > I'd skip meals to acquire, with no hesitation. > > Just like any REAL classic car person...except the car stuff is a lot > more common. > > -Dave > > -- > Dave McGuire, AK4HZ > New Kensington, PA > Dave, Thanks for your perspective. Where I live (near Denver), both Maynard Massachusetts and Silicon Valley are a long-long way away, and always have been. I think that is one reason why when older computers go up on craigslist here, I am often the only person to email the seller. I should have stopped at my original question, and left out the info about DEC machines I have acquired, as it completely diverted attention away from what I was asking. I was just shocked by the dollar figure of that eBay auction, and telling my own story is how I reacted. So, back to the question: What were the valuable items in the auction? I don't think it was the books. And I doubt it was the core memory, but I could be wrong. I think it must have been the paper tapes with the original DEC labels. Those are somewhat fragile, and while a computer can sit in a corner for years with little degradation, the same likely cannot be said for the paper tapes. Or maybe people tossed those tapes over the years with little thought, so now they are very rare? But still, $1K, wow! Makes one think twice about tossing anything, doesn't it? Scott

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pdp8 tapes trays core memory ebay auction

by tdk.knight＠gmail.com

i put a 500$ bid in on that auction didn't expect this and it proly shot up that high cause i was biding on it from the start quite stronglyv and my bid was based on what i have seen these individual items go for so i am kinda shocked as for freebees i score a free pdp8a my pride n joy of my collection and have been aquiring parts for it ever since like rk05's and controllors rl02's as for you talk about freebees mines not as nice as ur stuff but i did score a pdp8a with all its software manuals drawings asr33 x2 On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Scott Mickey <scott.m.18 at atsgate.com> wrote: > I need someone to educate me as to why this DEC hardware is worth > more than $1K: > eBay auction - > "DEC PDP-8 paper tape software, books and core memory card" > http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320880958746 > At first I thought it was a gag, but then I looked at the number of > bidders and the amounts. > I know there are a lot of older fellows out there holding on to their > PDP and VAX hardware because they are quite fond of it. ? However, at > some point each comes to the conclusion that unless they want to be > buried with their computers, the same as the egyptian pharaohs were > buried with their gold, they need to find a new home for them. > A fellow who was on oxygen and too weak to pick up his computers any > longer kindly give me two fully loaded VAXServer 3400's for free. > A few years later, from another retired gentleman, I received a > VT103 (11/23), VT100, RX02 (dual 8" flop drives), a pair of > CDC 9427H "Hawk" drives (which about KILLED me when I lifted each > one by myself), dozens of floppies, and a dozen 14" rigid platter > disk cartridges. ?I got all of this for free too. ?I did pay $100 > for a MicroVAX II, with all original tapes and manuals. ?It has been > very educational learning all this old hardware and running the > early UNIXes on real hardware (not an emulator). ?I found all these > people and all of this stuff locally on craigslist. ? So when I see > bits of DEC paper tape and core memory going for more than $1000, > I am flabbergasted. ?Completely. ? Shouldn't this money be staying > in your retirement account? ?(No offense intended). ?Why is this > particular stuff so valuable? > Thank you for your time today. > > Scott > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adrian Stoness" > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 6:19 PM > Subject: pdp8 tapes trays core memory ebay auction > >> i put bid in and went to work at 6am and see this when i get back >> 1100 bucks :O >> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&nma= > true&item=320880958746&si=6c9FJZXW%252BgdjnHCVq%252FpYYQ4M3tI%253D&viewitem= > &sspagename=ADME%3AB%3AEOIBUAA%3ACA%3A3160&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc >> > >

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pdp8 tapes trays core memory ebay auction

by aek＠bitsavers.org

On 4/7/12 10:43 AM, Scott Mickey wrote: > I need someone to educate me as to why this DEC hardware is worth > more than $1K: > > I know there are a lot of older fellows out there holding on to their > PDP and VAX hardware because they are quite fond of it. > A fellow who was on oxygen and too weak to pick up his computers any > longer > Shouldn't this money be staying > in your retirement account? (No offense intended) I find your na?vet? refreshing, if offensive. You'll be 'old' some day too. Let's see how you feel when a kid comes along eying your collection. > about KILLED me when I lifted each one by myself Learn about dealing with heavy equipment before you do permanent damage to your back. It's easy to ignore this when you're young and stupid.

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pdp8 tapes trays core memory ebay auction

by scott.m.18＠atsgate.com

I need someone to educate me as to why this DEC hardware is worth more than $1K: eBay auction - "DEC PDP-8 paper tape software, books and core memory card" http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320880958746 At first I thought it was a gag, but then I looked at the number of bidders and the amounts. I know there are a lot of older fellows out there holding on to their PDP and VAX hardware because they are quite fond of it. However, at some point each comes to the conclusion that unless they want to be buried with their computers, the same as the egyptian pharaohs were buried with their gold, they need to find a new home for them. A fellow who was on oxygen and too weak to pick up his computers any longer kindly give me two fully loaded VAXServer 3400's for free. A few years later, from another retired gentleman, I received a VT103 (11/23), VT100, RX02 (dual 8" flop drives), a pair of CDC 9427H "Hawk" drives (which about KILLED me when I lifted each one by myself), dozens of floppies, and a dozen 14" rigid platter disk cartridges. I got all of this for free too. I did pay $100 for a MicroVAX II, with all original tapes and manuals. It has been very educational learning all this old hardware and running the early UNIXes on real hardware (not an emulator). I found all these people and all of this stuff locally on craigslist. So when I see bits of DEC paper tape and core memory going for more than $1000, I am flabbergasted. Completely. Shouldn't this money be staying in your retirement account? (No offense intended). Why is this particular stuff so valuable? Thank you for your time today. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Stoness" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 6:19 PM Subject: pdp8 tapes trays core memory ebay auction > i put bid in and went to work at 6am and see this when i get back > 1100 bucks :O > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&nma= true&item=320880958746&si=6c9FJZXW%252BgdjnHCVq%252FpYYQ4M3tI%253D&viewitem= &sspagename=ADME%3AB%3AEOIBUAA%3ACA%3A3160&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc >

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pdp8 tapes trays core memory ebay auction

by tdk.knight＠gmail.com

i put bid in and went to work at 6am and see this when i get back 1100 bucks :O http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&nma…

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Bunches of Dell Precisions for sale w'/ 3.5 Floppies

by slandon110＠gmail.com

Hey guys I work for an ewaste company, thought id share what we have in right now 10 Dell Precision 390s 2.4ghz Core 2 Duos 3.5 Floppy Drive- BIOS Supports 5.25 drives as well Dual 160GB SATA HDDs 2GB RAM XP COA on each machine Asking $100 dollars each for them + Shipping or come to my door in Flushing MI and get them Steve

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VMS Problem, please help..

by jonas＠otter.se

On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 14:30:23 +0200, Holm Tiffe <holm at freibergnet.de> wrote: > Hi, > > I've tried to compile the VIM-7.3 Sources on my freshly installed VS4000, > and entered a pitfall here. > Since the C Compiler was complaining that the virtuel memory is exhaustet, > I'veed the PGFLQUOTA for the user to 104826 and the VIRTUALPAGCNT SYSGEN > Value to 2097152 (max was displayed as 4194304) > I've let run autogen and ebooted. > > Now the system ewfuses to boot: > > %SYSBOOT-W-WS default and quota raised to PHD+MINWSCNT > %SYSBOOT-F-VASOV, system virtual address space exeeded > ?06 HLT INST > PC= 00009631 PSL=041F0000 From the VMS error messages manual at http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/6023/6023pro_019.html : VASOVF, system virtual address space limit exceeded *Facility:*SYSBOOT, System Bootstrap Facility *Explanation:*The combination of SYSGEN parameters used to specify various capacities within the operating system have pushed the size of the operating system address space over the limit allowed by the VAX architecture. *User Action:*Reduce one of the parameters (BALSETCNT or VIRTUALPAGECNT (VAX only)) that contribute to the virtual address space size required by the OpenVMS system. By using AUTOGEN to set these values for your system, you avoid selection of parameter combinations that cause system space to overflow its architectural boundaries. To recover, perform a conversational boot (i.e. the boot process will let you modify system parameters to recover from a situation like yours). It is described here: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82final/aa-pv5mj-tk/00/00/34-con.html Use the "booting with default system parameters" section. You probably then need to reduce VIRTUALPAGECNT below the value you have set (which gives a 2GB virtual address space) because the VAX architecture allows max. 2 GB virtual memory and you are probably just over the limit. The VMS documentation is excellent, you will find it online here: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/ and this is a good manual to start with: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82FINAL/aa-pv5mj-tk/aa-pv5mj-tk.HTMl (you will find it from the page above by following the link "OpenVMS Operating System" to the left. /Jonas

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VMS Problem, please help..

by cctech＠beyondthepale.ie

> >I've tried to compile the VIM-7.3 Sources on my freshly installed VS4000, >and entered a pitfall here. >Since the C Compiler was complaining that the virtuel memory is exhaustet, >I'veed the PGFLQUOTA for the user to 104826 and the VIRTUALPAGCNT SYSGEN >Value to 2097152 (max was displayed as 4194304) >I've let run autogen and ebooted. > VIRTUALPAGECNT is specified in pages and 2097152 pages is 1GB. >Now the system ewfuses to boot: > >%SYSBOOT-W-WS default and quota raised to PHD+MINWSCNT >%SYSBOOT-F-VASOV, system virtual address space exeeded >?06 HLT INST > PC= 00009631 PSL=041F0000 Your VAX probably doesn't have enough page file to back 1GB of virtual memory per process. Perhaps some process is defaulting to grabbing as much as it can and you are running out of pagefile? > >What can I do now to boot this thing again? > I would suggest doing a conversational boot and setting VIRTUALPAGECNT back down to something more reasonable. How to do a conversational boot varies for different types of VAX but usually it is something like: >>> BOOT /R5:1 or >>> BOOT /1 You should end up at a prompt ( SYSBOOT> I think) where you can alter SYSGEN parameters. Enter something like: SET VIRTUALPAGECNT 64000 CONTINUE and hopefully your system should then boot up ok. If you already entered a very large value for VIRTUALPAGECNT into SYS$SYSTEM:MODPARAMS.DAT, you should probably change it to something smaller before you run AUTOGEN again. AUTOGEN defaults to shutting down and rebooting the system after it sets the new system parameters. This is fine if everything worked out well but is not so great when things go wrong. A better way to do it is to tell AUTOGEN to exit after setting the new parameters and before shutting down, for example: $ @SYS$UPDATE:AUTOGEN SAVPARAMS SETPARAMS When this completes, you can review the logs that AUTOGEN produces and then manually shut down and reboot if all went well or fix things and run AUTOGEN again if it didn't. > >PS: I'm new to VMS, don't expect any knowledge, I'm a Unix guy... > Hope I pitched it right... Regards, Peter Coghlan.

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VMS Problem, please help..

by holm＠freibergnet.de

Hi, I've tried to compile the VIM-7.3 Sources on my freshly installed VS4000, and entered a pitfall here. Since the C Compiler was complaining that the virtuel memory is exhaustet, I'veed the PGFLQUOTA for the user to 104826 and the VIRTUALPAGCNT SYSGEN Value to 2097152 (max was displayed as 4194304) I've let run autogen and ebooted. Now the system ewfuses to boot: %SYSBOOT-W-WS default and quota raised to PHD+MINWSCNT %SYSBOOT-F-VASOV, system virtual address space exeeded ?06 HLT INST PC= 00009631 PSL=041F0000 >>> _ What can I do now to boot this thing again? Kind Regards, Holm PS: I'm new to VMS, don't expect any knowledge, I'm a Unix guy... -- Technik Service u. Handel Tiffe, www.tsht.de, Holm Tiffe, Freiberger Stra?e 42, 09600 Obersch?na, USt-Id: DE253710583 www.tsht.de, info at tsht.de, Fax +49 3731 74200, Mobil: 0172 8790 741

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commodore sx64 keyboard cable idea

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 04:53 AM 4/6/2012, Sander Reiche wrote: >Rosewood always has a nice look. Did anyone actually establish, with CCC pedant levels of certainty, that the -8 case in question was actually rosewood? That's the biggest chuckle to me. - John

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Looking for an KDJ11-BF ...

by holm＠freibergnet.de

Hi guys, has someone, perfered in Europe because of the shipping costs, an M8190 with FPU to sell? (Hobbyist use). If yes, please contact me.. Kind Regards, Holm -- Technik Service u. Handel Tiffe, www.tsht.de, Holm Tiffe, Freiberger Stra?e 42, 09600 Obersch?na, USt-Id: DE253710583 www.tsht.de, info at tsht.de, Fax +49 3731 74200, Mobil: 0172 8790 741

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ID memory board?

by cclist＠sydex.com

A subscriber over at the Vintage Computer forum has an interesting board to ID: http://www.vintage- computer.com/vcforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8414&d=1333637581 Does it ring any bells for anyone? --Chuck

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VMS Backup files

by elson＠pico-systems.com

Well, finally figured out how to use the vmsbackup program to unpack a backup save set - it sure wasn't obvious. First, after reading in the whole tape, you need to extract the backup save set file with no formatting. So, it won't handle a tape container format. So, you want the XXX.BCK file put into a file with just a stream of raw bytes, with no blocksize value like in the container format. Then, you use vmsbackup like this : vmsbackup -xe -b <blocksize> -f <filename> Jon

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75 in 1 Electronic Project Kit

by jgessling＠yahoo.com

Sorry, don't got any 75 to 1 manuals.? I've got two 200 to 1 sets and a 150 to 1.?? Good luck in your quest.? If you can find it that's great, or look further for a different set with a manual.? Anyway a lesson how "ephemera" as they call it can be really more valuable that the actual thing,?? Including the model number in any future messages may help.? Regards, Jim p.s. Are you near the SF Bay area, maybe I could just give you one of the other sets?? I'm getting to the age of reducing, but not quite to the age of shipping.

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