- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by robert.jarratt＠ntlworld.com

I find myself in need of a new desoldering pump. I found a number on the Farnell site, anyone have any recommendations for a good one that does not cost more than ?25ish (about $40) and for which I can get spare nozzles? Here is the page: http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/browse.jsp?N=2031+204695&Ntk=gensearch&Ntt= desolder+pump&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial Regards Rob

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UCSD-P for the WD-900 ?

by jdr_use＠bluewin.ch

Are images of UCSD-P for the Pascal Microengine available somewhere ? That would be version III of the UCSD-P system. Jos

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The Most Wonderfully Ridiculous Movie Computers of All Time

by elson＠pico-systems.com

From: Jason McBrien <jbmcb1 at gmail.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: The Most Wonderfully Ridiculous Movie Computers of All Time http://www.starringthecomputer.com/feature.html?f=50 Weird analysis about the VAX 780 in Seven - I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that a police department would still be using one in the mid-90's. The college I went to was still chugging along on an old Amdahl 370-clone in the same time period - as the primary mail server and host for various licensed apps (mainly SPSS) I have NO difficulty believing municipal departments would hang on to old gear as long as it would stay reasonably reliable. And, there is even STILL no shortage of VAX-11/780 parts at the brokers, if you know how to run the diags and swap boards. You could even repair the machine at the chip level with a soldering iron, solder sucker and dikes. There are pretty much NO custom parts in the entire machine except the fixed microcode fuseible PROMS, the LSI-11 and the inductors in the power supply modules. Given IT wasn't the hot cost center it is today, I'd imagine most police departments would be loathe to shell out for an upgrade to something that still probably worked just fine. Now, why the director put that thing the precinct room is another question. Artistic license? Now, that is VERY funny! Anyone who has ever walked behind a running 780 with a handful of papers at mid-thigh level knows what those cooling blowers will do! I can imagine the whole room being filled with whirling sheaves of paper! For those who don't know the 780 as well as I do (I was sysadmin on two of them, and also did a lot of hardware hacking and interfacing on them) they had 3 one-half Hp (I think) centrifugal blowers that sucked air down through the card cage and blew it out the back of the cabinet through 3 fairly small vents. The air shot out at at least 50 MPH, probably more. The 780 has a card cage that ran the entire length of the ~5' long cabinet, CPU at the left, memory in the middle and I/O sections at the right, IIRC. (Hmmm, have a vague recollection maybe the memory was at the left....) Power supply boxes were below the logic cards, blowers below that, and LSI-11 and it's floppy drive at the bottom left. Jon

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PCS CADMUS 9700 System power-up difficulties

by p.gebhardt＠ymail.com

Hello list, ? some years ago, I got a CADMUS 9700 computer, a rather heavy system of the 80's from a german manufacturer called PCS. The system is built around the DEC QBUS, but uses a Motorolla 68000 type CPU. Finally, I found some time to have a look at it. Unfortunately, I didn't went far with my exploration. After having taken an hour to find out how to open this thing (plastic covers without screws are NOT fun, when they seem stuck), I cleaned it as it was horribly dusty und rusty. It must have spent some time in an humid environment. Deconnecting the drives and?applying power to?the switching supply turned on?the blinkening?kight of the ?green "RUN" button, but pressing it did not do anything. Afterwards, I deconnected the supply, checked that power connectors within the chassis were correctly seated and reconnected the power plug to the power-supply. Now, the green light did not blink anymore. In fact, since then, nothing ever happended again. The system just seems dead. I guess that the supply has a problem. It's difficult to check it, though, without schematics. It has a small ribbon cable which connects to a small PCB with several ICs on which can be found the "RUN"-button. I have no idea, which signals that supply needs in order to enter a state at which it should be on. The small PCB with the buttons and ICs could also be defective. ?There is also a key-switch, but I played with both positions and it does not influence anything on my system. The systems seem rare. At least, I could find only little information on the net and not documentation at all.Has anybody a clue on how to power-up this thing?Are there other owners of PCS systems, who can tell me who the system behaves upon applying power to the PSU and if it is sufficient to press the RUN-button to turn it on? ? Kind regards, Pierre ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pierre's collection of classic computers : http://classic-computing.dyndns.org/

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Altos OASIS

by cc＠informatik.uni-stuttgart.de

Hi, I'd like to play with the OASIS operating system for the Altos 5-15 (downloaded from Dave's site). After logging in I get the '>' prompt. Apparently, they use some kind of stack within their CLI as I can use it as an RPN calculator (just like FORTH in OpenBoot environments). The usual candidates like DIR, CAT etc. aren't recognized, LIST gives 'File name missing', LIST * gives 'File extenstion missing', and LIST *.* gives, well, nothing. So, does anybody have (preferrably a scan of) the OASIS user's manual? Christian

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The Most Wonderfully Ridiculous Movie Computers of All Time

by mloewen＠cpumagic.scol.pa.us

My AN/FSQ-7 computer tribute site received a bit of publicity in Wired Magazine: http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/10/movie-computers/ My web server is heating up. :-) Mike Loewen mloewen at cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://sturgeon.css.psu.edu/~mloewen/Oldtech/

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Central Point Option Boards available

by cesarla＠yahoo.com

Hi, have you a Central Point Option Deluxe Board with the software copy II PC??? Thanx ? C?sar L?pez A. "Hasta que gozamos de la oportunidad de amar a alg?n animal, una parte del alma permanece dormida"

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PDP1 Music / Record sold

by jws＠jwsss.com

The fellow who posted the record some time back which was titled to be PDP1 music reposted the record for $299 and sold it. the reason to note anything about it is that I had emailed him about taking a capture of it and passing it along before selling the record The ebay listing up right now has a track you can download as long as it stays up. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170923504018 Here is the link to the song as well. http://ampnoise.com/mp3/MusicOnThePDP-1X_Pinafore.mp3 I thought it was nice of him to do that, as many people who list things on ebay would have bothered. I would say that it was just to sell the record, but I think the rarity of it to record collectors and a lower price is why it sold. Jim

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Discrete Transistor Laptop (Was: unibus to modern disk interface?)

by rickb＠bensene.com

> On Mon, 15 Oct 2012, Rick Bensene wrote: > > A Pentium 166 MMX chip, which was a common chip with mobility > >features used in some early Pentium-based laptops uses roughly 4.5M transistors. And Fred replied: > Is it supported by current software? Kind of. It'd probably run Windows 98(it would definitely run Window 95) OK, but nothing newer from Microsoft as far as I can tell. Memory limitations within the confines of a P166MMX laptop of the day wouldn't allow anything newer to run. However, it would run various flavors of Linux or BSD without much fuss. I picked the 166MMX for my example as I have an old Dell laptop with a 166MMX, 640x480x256 color LCD, CDROM drive, 64MB of RAM, serial & parallel ports, as well as an early Soundblaster-compatible sound system in it that I use as a console for my PDP 8/e and PDP 11/34A systems. It is rock-solid reliable, and runs an older (late-90's) Red Hat Linux just fine. Don't know how it'd do on a current *BSD or Linux, though...if stripped down to eliminate all the GUI stuff, it just might be able to run something current, though it'd be pretty stripped. I think that if we never developed large-scale MOS and CMOS devices, and were stuck tech-wise with either small discrete transistor, or small-scale bipolar IC technology, we'd probably be lugging around "backpack" computers that have the rough computing power of a mid-1970's minicomputer, that'd run batteries that could be carried around for a few minutes -- enough time to perhaps to move between power outlets without shutting down. You'd end up having pretty well-developed leg, lower back, and shoulder musculature carrying such a beast around. TCP/IP Networking (not to mention wireless) not included. Of course, without the tech that came from LSI, we wouldn't have high-resolution LCD displays, either. Nothing like lugging a CRT around. The display would probably be a CRT or some kind of character-oriented plasma panel (Burroughs Self-Scan?) -- both big power hogs. Maybe the world would be better this way :-) At least we wouldn't have people trying to read their Email and TXTs on a cell phone while driving.

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ValueWord & ValueNotes

by barythrin＠gmail.com

Do you remember what type of system it was or what operating system? ------Original Message------ From: MG Sender: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org To: cctalk at classiccmp.org ReplyTo: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: ValueWord & ValueNotes Sent: Oct 9, 2012 7:44 PM This was software me my parents used in the 1980s on our family computer. Does anyone know how and where to obtain this, for old time's sake? Thanks in advance. - MG

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IDE Disk Test Stand?

by dj.taylor4＠verizon.net

Does anyone know the story behind this device listed currently on ebay? I've never seen anything like this... Item number 290668689315 , under the title "Miniature Hard Disk Drive IDE Spinstand for Testing/Development/Data Recovery" Just curious, I'm not the seller. Doug

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HP calculator R->

by rdawson16＠hotmail.com

Hey HP gurus, trying to read printouts from HP 67 programs and run them on my new HP35s Does this R-> in the printout mean an enter keypress? In general is there an interpretation of HP 65 program printouts to the associated keys? Randy

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Apollo Monitors Free, Kent. Wa. USA

by g-wright＠att.net

I have 3 Apollo Monitors with cables -8398 low res. color 19" -8399 Hi res. black and white 19" -01070 Hi res color 19" All did work a few years ago. All off DN3xxx, DN4XXX and DN5XXX work stations No shipping. very heavy - Jerry

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Epson QX-10 question

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

you put in a disk, you get a cursor, but that`s it. Puter won`t give disk back. Do I have to take it apart?

13 years, 8 months

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Seeking Xylogics/Bay/Nortel fanout cables

by drb＠msu.edu

Folks, Thought I had this covered, but I can't find 'em. Looking for either of the following cables, which are the serial port fanouts for Annex terminal servers. 50-pin centronics at one end, 6 DB25 at the other. Anybody have one or two they'd part with? AX3-CBL-DCE-100 or CM0018008 (DCE variety) AX3-CBL-DTE-100 or CM0018009 (DTE variety, quelle surprise) Thanks, De

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A petition to Apple's Leadership Team - Create a public venue / visitor’s center

by david＠classiccomputing.com

Hi everyone, Please have a look and consider signing. http://www.change.org/petitions/apple-inc-create-a-public-venue-visitor-s-c… Best, David Greelish - Computer Historian, Author, Speaker, Blogger & Podcaster - Founder of the Atlanta Historical Computing Society Producer of the Vintage Computer Festival Southeast 1.0 - 2/9/13 http://about.me/davidgreelish

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Apple petition

by david＠classiccomputing.com

Thanks, and Disney's CEO Bob Iger now sits on the Apple board, after Steve Jobs died. Best, David Greelish - Computer Historian, Author, Speaker, Blogger & Podcaster - Founder of the Atlanta Historical Computing Society Producer of the Vintage Computer Festival Southeast 1.0 - 2/9/13 http://about.me/davidgreelish On Oct 16, 2012, at 4:17 AM, cctalk-request at classiccmp.org wrote: > Good idea. Signed. > > Interesting bit about partnering with Disney. Disney occasionally offers > help in designing museums and theme parks. Whatever your opinion on the > company, they know how to run an attraction. They helped with a really nice > renovation of Greenfield Village in Dearborn, MI a few years ago - Henry > Ford's outdoor museum of trains, boats and buildings. In fact, Disneyland > was somewhat inspired by Greenfield Village.

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Paging Andreas Holz

by p.gebhardt＠ymail.com

Andreas, I don't have your mail address. Plesase contact me offline. Somebody gave me a binder of documentation for the "Modularer Experimentier-Computer" MEC-8, I'd like to forward to you,as it shall belong to the system, you collected from CMA-remainings in Dortmund. Kind regards, Pierre ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pierre's collection of classic computers : http://classic-computing.dyndns.org/

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cctalk Digest, Vol 110, Issue 38

by saquinn624＠aol.com

>> When you throw something out, when does ownership of it pass from you? >> When you drop it in the trashcan? When you empty the trash into a >> dustbin? When the collectors pick up the dustbin's contents? When >> it's dumped into landfill (or whatever)? Never? > > It probably varies according to location. In the UK, ownership of trash > passes to the local council when you put the trash in a designated bin, > box or bag on the street for collection. My understanding is that, in most jurisdictions in the USA, trash is "abandoned property" when you bring it to the curb, even in a designated trash container owned by your trash hauler. This is the result of court decisions allowing police authorities to search the trash without bothering to obtain a warrant. That seems to be the general take in the US. There have been instances of dumpster divers prosecuted, but it's for trespass.

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HP Apollo 715t

by spectre＠floodgap.com

I'd forgotten I had this and where I got it from, but I was cleaning out one of my storage units today and found an HP Apollo 715t/33 (425t) (picture: http://www.floodgap.com/iv/1695 ). AIUI, this unit can boot both Domain/OS and HP-UX. I have a crate of HP-HIL keyboards from my 9000/350, but the manual indicates they won't work with Domain/OS (and a Domain/OS keyboard won't work with HP-UX). Ostensibly there is a switch on this unit which says what it's configured for, but I can't find it in the manual or obviously on the exterior of the unit. Any suggestions? I haven't fired it up yet. -- ------------------------------------ personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser at floodgap.com -- TV is chewing gum for the eyes. -- Frank Lloyd Wright ----------------------

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Oh, also, 5.25" PC floppy drives

by fraveydank＠gmail.com

I have a number of 5.25" PC floppy drives that have sat in boxes in my parents' basement for years (reasonably well climate controlled, drives never got flooded, etc.) Media preservation isn't really my thing, since I don't have or come across a lot of media to preserve, but I figure four or five 5.25" drives could find a good home through this list. They worked last time they were tested, and I might be persuaded to test them again if necessary. I even have a 5.25"/3.5" dual drive, though its cosmetic components are beginning to wear a bit. Same deal, free for price of shipping. - Dave

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Manchester Baby

by robert＠irrelevant.com

I've been meaning to try and scan this for ages ... Mention of this in the article linked to from the love letter post made me remember it. Here's a news article about the Manchester Baby, from 1978. ("30 years ago today..") http://www.irrelevant.com/manchesterbaby/ Apologies for the poor formatting; original was almost unreadable in places. (Not helped by lots of brown sellotape holding it into my old scrapbook!) At some point I'll find the time to tidy it up. Rob

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cctalk Digest, Vol 110, Issue 35

by saquinn624＠aol.com

>> I am not trying to be confusing. That's legitimately the unit I have. On >> the front it says, HP Apollo with a sticker "Model 715t/33." On the back >> side it says A1630 425t. It has an Domain keyboard port and an HP-HIL port. >> >> So what do I have here? > >I think that only opening it up will tell you that for sure. You don't have to do that. Only Series 400 HP "Apollos" had both HIL and Domain keyboard connectors, and all Series 400s will run Domain/OS. Even though they're post-buy, it seems as though HP did put some work into them - my 425s is well-built and has pretty much everything you'd need to get a good system running without looking for parts (SCSI and Ethernet onboard). The downside is no ATR if you need to have it talk with older boxes.

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Burroughs System/V Series emulator

by spedraja＠gmail.com

I've received an advice from ClassicMainframe about this emulator (thanks Peter). Great shape. http://vseries.lurndal.org/doku.php?id=simulator:installation Enjoy. SPc.

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Love Letters from a 1951 Ferranti wins first Tony Sale Award

by lproven＠gmail.com

Summary: Dr David Link has won the Computer Conservation Society's first Tony Sale Award for an art project that runs a program written to generate love letters on one of the first commercial computers http://www.zdnet.com/love-letters-from-a-1951-ferranti-wins-first-tony-sale… Other projects nominated for the first Tony Sale Award, sponsored by Google, were a DEC PDP1 restoration at the Computer History Museum in California; the Time-Line Computer Archive being developed by Michael Armstrong and Sandra Hodson, in Wigton, West Cumbria; and a reconstruction of Konrad Zuse?s Z3 Computer (PDF) in Hunsfeld, Germany. -- Liam Proven ? Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lproven at hotmail.com ? Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884

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unibus to modern disk interface?

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Just curious, did anyone ever do a Unibus->IDE, etc... anything to interface a modern drive to unibus? I see from googling that Brad Parker had an excellent concept & initial design. Basically a unibus controller that could impersonate several different controllers & disks... Anyone know if this project (or a similar one) ever was completed? I'd be most interested in keeping the RL02 on the 11/45, but would love to have something larger for builds that could be easily removed and thus keep the system "original". J

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Ebay Cray T94

by elson＠pico-systems.com

After looking at the other photos of the internals, I don't think that skid is up to the task. Since they cracked one of the hatches for illustration, makes me wonder what sort of juice is inside to cool it with. If freon is it still legal? As to whether it is touchup paint, I would also suspect it might be some sort of treatment for the coolant, but not sure what that is. Certainly possible it is what you say. that is a lot of aluminum though a wonder a crappy skid like that hasn't given out. The coolant is Fluorinert, a fluorinated hydrocarbon. It is not an ozone-depleting substance, as far as I know, but would still probably be considered hazmat which would complicate shipment. Probably the best thing would be to drain it, and ship separately in barrels. Jon

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DECstation 5000 mobo for shipping costs

by jack.rubin＠ameritech.net

Got this with a bunch of older DEC docs - digital MAXine 64-21325. I don't know anything about it but it looks like it will fit in a USPS flat rate box. Yours for shipping costs from 60091 (Wilmette IL USA). Contact me directly if you want it. Jack

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PDP-10

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

PDP 11/10 available, appears to be located in Arizona. Please contact me off-list if interested. J

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HP65 keyboard repair ?

by jdr_use＠bluewin.ch

So the HP65 that is on my desk needs repair : - the gummy wheel thing is reasonably easy, - I will be able to fix the charger / power supply issue ( doesn't run from a good battery, does run from charger ) - but is there any update on possible solutions for those broken keysprings ? The '5' and '.' are basically gone... Jos

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FREE: Old Macs from the 90's in So Cal.

by tosteve＠yahoo.com

For free in Orange County, CA (92656): I was given a whole stack of old "working" Macs: IIci, IIsi, LC III, Performa 5200CD, PowerMac 5500, Quadra 610, Mac SE, etc. Includes monitors, keyboards, mice, software. If interested, please come and take them all away! Thanks- Steve.

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FREE: Old Macs from the 90's in So Cal.

by tosteve＠yahoo.com

For free in Orange County, CA (92656): I was given a whole stack of old "working" Macs: IIci, IIsi, LC III, Performa 5200CD, PowerMac 5500, Quadra 610, Mac SE, etc. Includes monitors, keyboards, mice, software. If interested, please come and take them all away! Thanks- Steve.

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Skipware level, late 2012

by wlewisiii＠gmail.com

On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 2:05 PM, <cctalk-request at classiccmp.org> wrote: On 13 October 2012 21:09, Toby Thain <toby at telegraphics.com.au> wrote: > > My livelihood is not impaired by using an 8 year old machine and if they > stop to think, neither is most people's. Delurking briefly, I just wanted to comment that I currently have as my primary machine a 10 year old Dell C640 laptop with a P4M 1.8ghz cpu, 1024x768, maxed out with 2 gb of ram & 2x120gb drives (bios max) & an onboard wi-fi card. USB 1 is the only real annoyance. No speed demon to be sure, but it runs Xubuntu 12.04 well 90% of what I want to do runs fine - if nothing else, a CADR emulator, SIMH & DOSBox all do what I want them to & I don't need to make a living on it. It even can handle my photo negative scanner &, if a bit slowly sometimes, GIMP to edit my photography. There are very few who need a faster computer. Though I'll be the first one to admit it would be nice to be able to afford something newer. William -- Live like you will never die, love like you've never been hurt, dance like no-one is watching. Alex White

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Remaining available S-100 board PCBs

by LYNCHAJ＠YAHOO.COM

Hi! There are still five (5) S-100 SMB, twelve (12) S-100 bus extenders, and three (3) S-100 8088 CPU board PCBs left in case anyone is looking for them. Here are the latest descriptions of these boards: http://s100computers.com/My%20System%20Pages/SMB%20Board/S100%20Bus%20SMB.ht m http://s100computers.com/My%20System%20Pages/Extender%20Board/Extender%20Boa rd.htm http://s100computers.com/My%20System%20Pages/8088%20Board/8088%20CPU%20Board .htm The PCBs are $20 each plus $3 shipping in the US and $6 elsewhere. The S-100 SMB is a dual PCB so it is $40. Please send a PayPal to LYNCHAJ at YAHOO.COM and I will send your boards right away! Thanks and have a nice day! Andrew Lynch

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General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts

by dm561＠torfree.net

----- Original Message ----- > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 09:55:30 -0700 (PDT) > From: Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> >>> PS: why cant you scroll down to the bottom of the message and type >>> there? >> >> three reasons. > > Those were reasons why you don't want to. > They were not reasons why you "can't". Although I had actually posted at the bottom of the original post, I agree with Jim and think they were valid reasons why top posting is more efficient, at least with much of today's hardware and software... > Top-posting is a TINY amount less work for the poster, and more work for > the system and every one of its readers. It DISCOURAGES trimming. Please exempt me from "every one"; I find reading bottom posts a useless waste of my time, since I've already previously read everything being replied to and don't need/want to have to wade through it again. Many posts on this list could express all they have to say with only the subject line and "Me too" or "+1". Trimming is a good thing no matter which end you're posting on. As is in-line quoting IF the context justifies it. > Most people will gladly make work for a lot of others to save themselves a > miniscule amount of effort. (the "litter principle") Again, I actually appreciate the consideration shown me by top posters who don't make me wade once again through the same dreck I've been reading in the last ten posts in the same thread. > "'e-mail' is bottom posting, plain text, poor spellinq, and insufficient > trimming of the old crap, which is set off by chevrons. > 'email' is top posting, colors, Poor spelling, insufficient trimming, etc. are a PITA that has nothing whatsoever to do with the issue of top- vs. bottom-posting. As regards colour, I hugely prefer the clarity of messages where the new and quoted text are different colours instead of ever-longer lines of >>>>>s. A chacun son gout, as they say, but it seems to be a characteristic of many members of this hobby to cling fiercely to the old ways and waste bandwidth over and over again complaining about the same tired issues and judging and criticizing anyone who does things differently for what he/she considers valid reasons. m

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WATFOR for IBM 7040

by colineby＠isallthat.com

Its also possible the Manchester University Medical Computing Unit archives will have such a request. They used both a 7040 And 7090. The also made a number of software requests to other institutions. The archives are deposited with the UK's National Museum of Computing. I'm involved with their initial conservation, so this is something I can check, though there may be a little lead time to do so as its mostly uncatalogued, and not at all digitised yet. Are you looking for the compiler, information about its historic distribution and licensing patterns, or something else? --Colin SPC <spedraja at gmail.com> wrote: >Hello. > >Im' playing actually with diverse emulators for the IBM 709x and the >software available for them (IBSYS and CTSS). Fun and instructive (I'm >using it to play with COBOL and FORTRAN at present). > >Now I should like to go one step beyond. > >I have doubts about the compatibility but I should like to know if >exists some request for the WATFOR compiler for the IBM 7040 to the >Waterloo University or whoever would be the owner of the rights of >this software.. > >-- >Gracias | Regards > >Saludos - Greetings - Freundliche Gr??e - Salutations >-- >Sergio Pedraja > >twitter: @sergio_pedraja >----- >No crea todo lo que ve, ni crea que est? vi?ndolo todo > >

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Fwd: RE: [H390-MVS] connecting real terminals

by jws＠jwsss.com

Top posted thread. I see no problem with it. BTW is anyone here familiar with the Cisco 2612? It is mentioned below for those who wish to read further. Jim -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: [H390-MVS] connecting real terminals Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 21:03:25 +0100 From: Dave <snip> Reply-To: H390-MVS at yahoogroups.com To: <H390-MVS at yahoogroups.com> Rob, Which cable do you need. The token ring DB-9 -> RJ45 media filter to go >from the 3174 to the 8226? There are some here on E-bay:- http://www.ebay.com/itm/390474238769 Dave Wade G4UGM Illegitimi Non Carborundum -----Original Message----- *From:* H390-MVS at yahoogroups.com [mailto:H390-MVS at yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Bob Brown *Sent:* 13 October 2012 20:17 *To:* 'H390-MVS at yahoogroups.com' *Subject:* RE: [H390-MVS] connecting real terminals Where can I either find this cable or a pinout? -Bob bbrown at harpercollege.edu <mailto:bbrown at harpercollege.edu> #### #### Bob Brown - KB9LFR Harper Community College ## ## ## Supervisor of Operations Palatine IL USA #### #### Saved by grace *From:*H390-MVS at yahoogroups.com [mailto:H390-MVS at yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Harold Bell *Sent:* Monday, September 17, 2012 12:53 PM *To:* H390-MVS at yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [H390-MVS] connecting real terminals I use a Cisco 2612 in my setup. There needs to be a Token Ring concentrator between the 3174 and the Cisco. I use an IBM 8226-001 from ebay. I forget what I paid but it could not have been over $40 I don't think. The 3174 Token Ring output connector is a 9 pin D-sub like a serial port and I use a small converter that has a 9 pin D-sub connector and an RJ-45 socket. It is a generic item that you have to open up and connect the two connectors however you want for your application. The connection diagram was on the internet at one time. I got this at a local hobby electronnics store that burned about a year ago and I have no idea where to order such a thing. Using standard ethernet cables to go from the 3174/converter to the concentrator to the Cisco is not the perfect way but it works if the cables are kept as short as possible so the impedance mis-match is not to bad. Good luck. Buddy ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:*Bob Brown <bbrown at harper.cc.il.us> *To:* "H390-MVS at yahoogroups.com" <H390-MVS at yahoogroups.com> *Sent:* Mon, September 17, 2012 1:19:07 PM *Subject:* [H390-MVS] connecting real terminals Is a cisco 2612 what I need to bridge the token ring/Ethernet networks? (it sounds like it comes standard with Ethernet and token ring ports)... Do I need something else also or does it go: Terminal --> 3174 --> cisco 2612 --> Ethernet network --> Hercules? -Bob bbrown at harpercollege.edu <mailto:bbrown%40harpercollege.edu> #### #### Bob Brown - KB9LFR Harper Community College ## ## ## Supervisor of Operations Palatine IL USA #### #### Saved by grace -----Original Message----- From: H390-MVS at yahoogroups.com <mailto:H390-MVS%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:H390-MVS at yahoogroups.com <mailto:H390-MVS%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of scott Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 8:45 AM To: H390-MVS at yahoogroups.com <mailto:H390-MVS%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] Re: Real 3278 won't work with turnkey Bob, I can check with my source on Monday to ensure the card will work in a -51r. Scott On 09/13/2012 12:58 PM, Bob Brown wrote: > How much do you want for the 3174 T/r card (and is it supposed to work with a 51R)? > -Bob > > bbrown at harpercollege.edu <mailto:bbrown%40harpercollege.edu> #### #### Bob Brown - KB9LFR > Harper Community College ## ## ## Supervisor of Operations > Palatine IL USA #### #### Saved by grace > ------------------------------------ __._,_.___ __,_._,___

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Crossed signals?

by derschjo＠gmail.com

I seem to be getting a lot of posts in my cctalk inbox coming from what appears to be the Curmudgeons Who Are Pretty Sure They're Smarter Than Everyone Else mailing list as of late -- has anyone else been seeing this, or is there something wrong with my mail filter? - Josh

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General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts

by dm561＠torfree.net

----- Original Message ----- > Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 12:30:12 -0500 (CDT) > From: Tothwolf <tothwolf at concentric.net> > > On Sat, 13 Oct 2012, Mouse wrote: >> On Fri, 12 Oct 2012, MikeS wrote: >>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2012, Tothwolf wrote: >>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2012, MikeS wrote: >>>> >>>>> As regards colour, I hugely prefer the clarity of messages where the >>>>> new and quoted text are different colours instead of ever-longer >>>>> lines of >>>>>s. >> >>>> I think this reply deserves a screenshot. [...] >> >>> Yup, looks nice; I'm glad you agree. >> >> In context, I think that was a disagreement. > > You are correct. It was a disagreement, and for the reasons you stated. > ----- Reply: Sorry that you also missed the irony; I thought it was obvious that I'd probably fall off my chair if you ever agreed with one of my posts ... I was explicitly replying to (and specifically quoting) Fred's post including the use of colour in the email no-nos like yodelling jellyfish etc., and I think that your screenshot actually does make my point (no doubt unintentionally) that colour can be useful (as opposed to the jellyfish). That Mouse and you obviously chose to ignore the explicit (con)text of my post and instead "*read into*" my post that "the colour in question was *supposed to be* encoded into the on-the-wire form of the email" (*s mine) prompted my ironic, "glad you agree". If I receive an email appropriately and tastefully using colour and/or HTML then I prefer it to the limitations of chevrons, plain-text-only, etc.; if it mattered enough to me to justify installing a reader and/or plugin to convert plain incoming mail then I would. But I don't tell anyone how they are "supposed to" format their email; I'm much more interested in the content than whatever format they chose or had to use. If there's an issue that they may be unaware of I'll ask; otherwise if it matters I'll do what's required at my end in order to read it. Conversely, although I bristle a bit at people telling me how I'm *supposed to* format *my* email and with whatever favourite client of theirs I should replace my obviously defective one, I generally go along with whatever prevailing standards are on mail lists like this one, even when I don't agree with them as in the case of the top-posting 'standard'. And yes, I will occasionally register a vote in support of letting people post however they prefer or have to, without chastising them whenever they top-post (especially when they didn't). With clients that hide the quoted text by default why does it even matter? m

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DMC11 at Ebay

by vaxorcist＠googlemail.com

Who is bidding for the DMC11 at Ebay? I'd just like to know who else (besides me of course) is interested in that very special old DDCMP communication adapter. I cannot imagine that any DMCs are still in productive use today, so there's probably another collector out there somewhere ... I would be nice to get in contact with that special person (no matter who wins the auction) to exchange experience. My motivation to own a DMC11 is to run DDCMP DECnet under VMS V2.x (no Ethernet support with VMS V2.0 yet) on my VAX-11/750. There are still some lesser problems to overcome, e.g. obtaining DECnet for VMS V2.x ;-)) I know the bidder might as well (or even with greater probability) want the DMC11 for his/her PDP-11 rather than for a VAX. Maybe one day some crazy collectors will connect their VAXen or PDP-11s via DMC11s and dial-up lines every now and then? Regards, Ulli

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General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts

by dm561＠torfree.net

----- Original Message ----- > Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 02:26:24 -0400 (EDT) > From: Mouse <mouse at Rodents-Montreal.ORG> >>>> As regards colour, I hugely prefer the clarity of messages where >>>> the new and quoted text are different colours instead of >>>> ever-longer lines of >>>>>s. > >>> I think this reply deserves a screenshot. [...] > >> Yup, looks nice; I'm glad you agree. > > In context, I think that was a disagreement. > ----- Reply: Almost certainly, since exchanges in this sort of thread are almost always argumentative; rather than sprinkle smileys throughout my posts I prefer to let the reader decide whether I'm being ironic or not. I mentally append smileys to most posts in a thread like this, on the assumption that intelligent men (women presumably having better things to do) would not spend time and energy every few months or so *seriously* arguing *once again* about where to place an e-mail reply; the humour really becomes apparent when you show a thread like this to a 'normal' person... But I wasn't saying anything about how, when or where it's done to disagree with anyway, merely stating that IMO using colour for clarity when possible and appropriate doesn't necessarily belong in the same category as Fred's wallpaper, dancing kangaroos or yodelling jellyfish; it's just one more often useful option that's come along since the text-only monochrome screens that many of us started with and seem to want to hang on to (at least in this context). m

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General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts

by dm561＠torfree.net

----- Original Message ----- > Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 18:26:41 -0500 (CDT) > From: Tothwolf <tothwolf at concentric.net> > On Fri, 12 Oct 2012, MikeS wrote: >> From: Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> >> >>> "'e-mail' is bottom posting, plain text, poor spellinq, and >>> insufficient trimming of the old crap, which is set off by chevrons. >>> 'email' is top posting, colors, > > <snip> > >> As regards colour, I hugely prefer the clarity of messages where the new >> and quoted text are different colours instead of ever-longer lines of >> >>>>>s. > > I think this reply deserves a screenshot. > > http://strudel.ignorelist (dot) > com/~tothwolf/classiccmp/screenshot_alpine.png ----- Reply: Yup, looks nice; I'm glad you agree. m

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General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts

by dm561＠torfree.net

----- Original Message ----- > Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 20:55:39 +0100 > From: Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> I was wondering when we'd hear from you ;-) > ... then you're using a poor email client. Of course ;-) > Smarter ones can (optionally) collapse or expand levels of > previously-quote text. Gmail does this automatically... I didn't realize that works with the digest versions; guess I'd better start using gmail... > In this case, actually, I think it's a sign that those who favour > top-posting are clinging on to poor-quality MUAs when they should update > to something better. Of course! After all, there are so many different e-mail clients to choose >from for my smartphone and PDA... And why should we show any respect or consideration for those folks who for whatever reason don't have a choice at all... m

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General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts

by dm561＠torfree.net

----- Original Message ----- > Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 00:00:06 -0700 (PDT) > From: Tom Sparks <tom_a_sparks at yahoo.com.au> .. lots of trimmage... > I do bash: > Apple fanboys: the products they worship are overpriced sh*t > MS windows fanboys: think there stuff is the best thing since sliced bread > I have be a member of both groups, > I have seen the light (and no I am not a linux/ubuntu fanboy[1]) > I am a quad-platform user (ubuntu/linux/android, amigaOS, MS DOS[2], > Windows) I have to ask: Why? What makes it worth the time you spend on it? What purpose does it serve except to expose your bigotry? As it happens, I don't think I've ever actually run across anyone who thinks MS stuff is the best thing since sliced bread, but there's no shortage of *nix users who believe their stuff is... > PS: why cant you scroll down to the bottom of the message and type there? I think if you put on your glasses and/or improved your reading skills somewhat you'd see that I did exactly that (although I happen to think it's a pointless and cumbersome relic of the golden days of Usenet glory...) And why can't you learn the difference between 'there' and 'their' and how to use an apostrophe? ;-D > [1] I do have some ubuntu fanboy aspects to me, but its only to sate there > is alternative operating system that dose not cost an arm and a leg > tom More precious irony ;-) m

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General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"

by dm561＠torfree.net

----- Original Message ----- From: <cctalk-request at classiccmp.org> To: <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 6:14 PM Subject: cctalk Digest, Vol 110, Issue 24 > Message: 29 > Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 22:14:27 +0000 (UTC) > From: Alexey Toptygin <alexeyt at freeshell.org> >> Lots of folks like you also believe that there are REASONS why people >> have >> the opinions they do about Jews, Mexicans, Muslims, people with black >> skins >> or blond hair, etc. etc... >> >> Precious irony... ;-) > > That was totally uncalled for. Dave was describing a sterotype about a > group OF WHICH HE IS A MEMBER, you are comparing him to racists who blame > all the worlds problems on a group of OUTSIDERS. This is completely > different. I think you need to apologise. > > Alexey ----- Reply: As a matter of fact I see a fair bit of that on this list as well, by the same group of regulars: stereotypical judgement and blaming of OUTSIDERS, i.e. ignorant 'lusers' who don't know or care how their computers work, the intricacies of TCP/IP or their operating system, who top post, use M$ software, etc. etc., and are perhaps busy running businesses, performing brain operations, whatever, instead... And Dave is of course implying that he's NOT a member of the group he's disparaging; after all, HE knows that they speak Portuguese in Brazil! As a matter of fact he is in fact echoing and defending the stereotypical view of "people in other countries," i.e. OUTSIDERS... (and thus perhaps even offending some of "them" ;-) So, it's OK to insult and offend members of a certain group with this sort of stereotypical judgement as long as you yourself are a member of that group (albeit presumably one of the exceptions who doesn't fit the stereotype...)? As long as I'm an African-American myself it's OK for me to say "yeah, we really are inferior somehow, and there's a REASON why folks believe that about us"? In that case I do apologize; I naively thought that derogatory stereotypes were sort of inappropriate regardless of the source. m BTW, I have a Brazilian girlfriend, so I not only know that one speaks Portuguese there but I'm also intimately acquainted with the Brazilian wax look...

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Motorola EXORset - need software

by jack.rubin＠ameritech.net

I just received a very nice Motorola EXORset 110 with docs but no software. Does anyone have disks or images for XDOS and the associated development tools? Thanks, Jack KC9HVE

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cctalk being indexed (again)

by barythrin＠gmail.com

That's not a good thing?

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Things with current mailing addresses on them

by dgriffi＠cs.csubak.edu

In my storage unit there keeps bubbling up stuff that author Jerry Pournelle was sent to review for Byte Magazine. When I sell them, instead of giving people the actual letters and such (which has Jerry's still current home address), I give them a censored photocopy. What should I do with these originals? I've been building a small file of them for the past few years. Should I just wait until Pournelle dies and then unload them on Ebay? -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

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Digital asset management was disk image server

by tom_a_sparks＠yahoo.com.au

I am think of setting up a Digital asset management system for my disk images I am wondering what DAE system would you recommend? --- tom_a_sparks "It's a nerdy thing I like to do" Please use ISO approved file formats excluding Office Open XML - http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Ubuntu wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/tomsparks 3 x (x)Ubuntu 10.04, Amiga A1200 WB 3.1, UAE AF 2006 Premium Edition, AF 2012 Plus Edition, Sam440 AOS 4.1.2, Roland DXY-1300 pen plotter, Cutok DC330 cutter/pen plotter Wanted: RiscOS system, GEOS system (C64/C128), Atari ST, Apple Macintosh (6502/68k/PPC only)

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Ebay Cray T94

by elson＠pico-systems.com

> > From: "TeoZ" <teoz at neo.rr.com> > > Power supply requirements are a bit out there for home based collectors, and > what software would you run on it (I assume everything was custom per > order)? > Right, on the nameplate is shows 68 KW electronic dissipation, then you have to supply water chilling for a 68 KW load. Then,. you need a pretty massive support computer to run this thing, I think the last ones were VAX 8000-series machines. They had a stock OS, booted from the support computer, which also provided disk, tape, graphics, etc. So, for your typical US home service, you'd probably need a 200 KVA service, at 120/240 V that would be 833 Amps. You'd also need a cooling tower in your back yard that would send a cloud of vapor all over your neighborhood. Jon

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