I won it. It resembles a Keytronic 5150, but has something like an rj11 (don't ask me how many conductors). Is it an IBM/K* internally? I guess I should have asked before I bid/bin.
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On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 5:14 PM PST Alexandre Souza - Listas wrote:
>>> Don't make me open up a can of Thetans on you.
>> Oh shit! H-bombs!
>> Nah. I do happen to have a genuine can of EMP though. :)
>
> I see a global thermonuclear war coming...
Really? I was just opening the garage door wondering where I put my hip boots and shovel. And gas mask.
> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 03:00:14 +0100
> From: Philipp Hachtmann <hachti at hachti.de>
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: WANTED: TM8E magtape controller for Omnibus
> Message-ID: <511EE82E.2010605 at hachti.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi David,
>
> On 15.02.2013 18:53, David Gesswein wrote:
>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 10:50:44PM +0100, Philipp Hachtmann wrote:
>>> Is there anybody out there who
>>> 1. owns a TM8E magtape controller?
>> Yes.
> Nice.
>
>> I got mine from "thom restivo"<trestivo at tarinc.com>
>> back in 2004. At the time he said he had more boards. Found a TU10 to go
>> with it in 2007.
>> http://www.pdp8online.com/tu10/tu10-repair.shtml
> Thank you, I'll ask him!
>
> Regards
>
> Philipp
>
I'm afraid that Thom went out of business quite a few years ago and
sold his warehouse full of DEC equipment. I never found out who
bought him out. I enjoyed visiting and crawling through the place
though.
Bob
>Holy shit! It's a talking plant!
>
>g.
I keep telling you people I haven't smoked plants in decades if there seems to be a residual smell it's just probably the oregano I had my pizza
Go back to pretending you're Tom Cruise flyboy.
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On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 3:22 PM PST Dave McGuire wrote:
> [off-list]
Uh...
> Dude. Gene IS Tom Cruise. He uses an alias here for the obvious
>reason. Watch yourself!
O great. First d*****bag atheists now a hitman from the church of Scientology to deal with!
> -Dave
>
> *snicker*
No thanks I'm cooking dinner now (it may be my last!). I don't want to spoil it
>Tandy and Amstrad machines had one accessory available that AFAIK was not
>avaialbe for other clones (it was avaialbe for IB< 5150/5160/5170
>machines). This accessory is rather important to me. I refer, of course,
>to a schematic diagram.
>
>-tony
The Tandy 2000 tech manual even included circuit board artwork. IINM IBM's extensive documentation didn't have that. They did include rom sources though, which Tandy didn't.
I've seen a fair amount of tech manuals. It's hard to beat these 2.
I finally got an inventory up of what I have. Heres the price $30
bucks an item plus shipping, no matter what it is.
Inventory as of 2-16-13
10 Apple Monitor //
4 Apple Monitor ///
32 Cosmetically damaged IIGS Monitors
10 Nice GS Monitors
8 Mac IIcx
2 Mac IIci
3 Mac IIsi
5 Imagewriter I
3 Beige G3 Minitowers
2 G3 Desktops
5 PowerMac 6100s
2 Centris 610
1 Quadra 610
1 Performa 6110
1 Performa 6116
1 PowerMac 7300/180
1 PowerMac 7500/100
2 PowerMac 7100/66
1 Performa 600
1 Macintosh IIVX
4 Original LCs
3 LC 575s
1 SE FDHD
2 SE 800k
5 Mac Pluses
1 Molar Mac
it's bleachy. Turns out it was left outside in a box w/a bunch of cables, and rain water bleaches things better then most other substances. Works fine. Tested it on the A600 I sold recently. Cable is a little dirty too.
Someone pointed out that the 3B2's disk may still be salvageable. I'm not sure about that, but I don't have a lot of
experience with the older drives. It's probably the original disk, as it has AT&T stickers on it. Plugged into multiple
computers and external drive enclosures it spins up, head load click, then spins down. I've tried reseating connectors
and checking jumpers, no change. I don't know what the jumper on the bottom side of the lowest PCB near
the SCSI connector does, and there are two empty DIP sockets on the bottom of the drive that could possbly be a
part of the problem. I haven't taken a scope to it to trace out the signals yet and see if an amp died.
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013, Chris Tofu wrote:
> Well plating can be accomplished in the home shop but where are you
> going to get the gold. Wait for a meteorite?
> But it brings up an interesting idea of mine. Couldn't you reverse
> plate the gold right off of pins and whatnot? No nasty chemicals, no
> mess, no fuss.
Gold plating usually uses cyanide compounds, which many people consider "nasty chemicals" (certainly chemicals
that one needs to work with carefully, but pretty common for both plating and case hardening).
If you're using cyanide anyway, you might as well go ahead and use a modified MacArthur-Forrest process and not bother with
the electricity. Pour your gold-containing objects in a dilute cyanide solution, recover the gold by either electrowinning
or single-replacement with zinc.
At the end of the day either way is a lot of work for little gold.
There was a question about what manufacturer made it. It looks like a generic Taiwanese whitebox,
sticker on the back says "Mega 4000", sticker on the front says "AT Light" (+1 for them getting
the spelling right instead of using "Lite", -100 for their marketing department appearing to have
no idea what "AT" means).
I guess I'll hang onto it for a bit, anyway. I have a SCSI card that will work in it and an old VGA
card.
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On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 8:05 PM PST Chris Tofu wrote:
>
>
>------------------------------
>On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:12 PM PST Jules Richardson wrote:
>
>>I know of at least one person who has some bare / partially-populated PCBs, but my board's the only complete one that I know of (aside from the possible ROM issue).
>
> are they willing to part with 1+?
And which Acorn are we talking about? Apparently Acorn had a relationship to BBC. I'm looking for an Archimedes by the way, they're just so darn expensive last I checked.
I pulled all the cards out of my rolling dinosaur. One small card with 2 sets of fingers sports an 80186. What is this card? I won't have a better picture until Monday if anyone was dying to see it.
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On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:12 PM PST Jules Richardson wrote:
>I know of at least one person who has some bare / partially-populated PCBs, but my board's the only complete one that I know of (aside from the possible ROM issue).
are they willing to part with 1+?
Hi folks,
I already have lots of stuff - but there's always something missing!
Is there anybody out there who
1. owns a TM8E magtape controller?
and
2. who can imagine to give it away?
I have a few TU10 drives that dropped in with a PDP11 some time ago.
It would be awsome to get one of them running on a 8/e system. I know that there
was a magtape controller. But I'be never seen one. And I don't know anyone who
has one.
At one point in newer history I found a H960 containing a 8/e and a TU10. But
when opening the 8/e, it was empty - no TM11 controller :-(
Any hints appreciated.
Kind regards
Philipp
(I'm currently getting my collection reassembled and rearranged. Most of it will
be tied together in the place where I'm living. Therefore I have begun to play
with minicomputers again - after a few years of very low activity and a widely
spread nearly inaccessible collection. And I will sell some stuff!)
--
Dipl.-Inf. (FH) Philipp Hachtmann
Buchdruck, Bleisatz, Spezialit?ten
Alemannstr. 21, D-30165 Hannover
Tel. 0511/3522222, Mobil 0171/2632239
Fax. 0511/3500439
hachti at hachti.de
www.tiegeldruck.de
UStdID DE 202668329
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On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 1:37 PM PST Tom Gardner wrote:
>Let's not be US centric - I nominate AMSTRAD for one of the worst designed
>system boxes. The cables basically blocked all airflow resulting in all
>sorts of thermal problems, and the data separator, designed by some UK
>consultants who knew nothing about the subject, limit-cycled eating up all
>the disk drive margin.
>
>Tom
Didn't Acorn dabble in pcs? What about Research Machines? Fairly robust, no?
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On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 2:44 PM PST Tony Duell wrote:
>If you don't wantto etch your own PCB, it's relatively hard to get a male
>card edge conenctor
you can accomplish rudimentary masking and etching by using cheap packing tape. Encapsulate the board then slice and remove portions of the board you'd like to etch away. No copper sulfate IIRC (the etchant) won't eat your fingers. Just DON'T pour it down the drain, protect your clothes and be careful of animals.
(and if you do etch your own board, it's non-trivial
>to gold plate it).
Well plating can be accomplished in the home shop but where are you going to get the gold. Wait for a meteorite?
But it brings up an interesting idea of mine. Couldn't you reverse plate the gold right off of pins and whatnot? No nasty chemicals, no mess, no fuss.
it is, however, quite easy to get header plugs of
>various sizes, including ones with wire-wrap pins.
>
>If I ahd to make such an adapter in a hurry (== no time to make the
>PCB)_, I'd probably put 34 pin and 50 pin wire-wrap headers ont a bit of
>square pad board, wire-wrap approrpraity, and fit one of said adapterso
>nto the 34 pin header to conenct to the edge connector on the cable.
If I'm following you, couldn't you cut the card edge from a busted drive, solder that to an appropriate board (I would have to assume the spacing is identical), solder a header connector, preferably right angle, to the opposite side of the board, then solder jumper wires where appropriate?
Hi all,
my Name is Alex, me and a friend of mine have been actively
participating in a computer collection, mostly repairing
stuff and bringing it back to life. We have numerous old apples, vaxes,
decstations, suns, next etc and some
real weird old stuff ;)
Lately we discovered a DG nova standing in a dark corner of a storeroom.
We have absolutely no peripherals, just
the bare machine. It has 2 CPU boards, a general IO card, 2 Memory
boards and some unknown third party controller.
The Machine as it sits now has 2-3 problems (at least):
1: Somehow the "desposit next" switch does not work as expected by not
incrementing the adress sometimes. Doing a deposit-examine next-deposit
works, so thats a minor problem.
2: Simple programs run fine in single step mode. Press RUN and the
machine seems to hang. You can not even STOP anymore, you have
to reset the machine. Annonying, but to test the simple stuff single
stepping also works....
3: The biggest problem is: The ACs have numerous bits stuck on 1. It is
the same bit pattern for all ACs. We can store and
deposit the non-stuck bits, but all others remain a 1. With this
behaviour its really really hard to write any meaningful asm to
test the machine ;)
Please see the attached Link for pictures of the machine and the
bit-pattern of the AC. Since the AC Deposit works as expected
and the error shows only when examining we are positive that the error
is not in the AC Registers itself but somewhere where
the switch location is actually shifted into the AC....or something like
that. We are also struggling a bit to get all the documentation
in a meaningful relation. So if you have any pointers on what to do or
check, please chime in.
If the machine gets back to life i have plans on emulating a storage
device to run one of the available os-es. Should be doable with
a microcontroller and some logic glue.....but it looks like a long way ;)
See actual pictures of the machine here
http://bigalpha.ath.cx/nova/pics/ori/index.html
where you can also see the bit Pattern of the AC.
I kinda wonder why its
1 11X 111 X11 1X1 11X
I guess this should point us nearer to the point of failure.
best regards
Alex
I just joined the group, although I have had a long time appreciation of vintage computing technology. I spent most of my career on the software, marketing and most other aspects of computers but not hardware. I have put together systems, hacked at things, but at a light level, until recently. I decided to really learn how to design and engineer, choosing a project that would expose me to many aspects and be a forcing function for developing quite a few skills. Not that this makes me a full bore EE or able to design at a current technology professional level, but enough so I could envision, design and make hobby items of pretty much any scope I wanted. The project is a replica of an IBM 1130, a low end mainframe contemporaneous with S/360 and sharing the same logic and other technology. My aim is to build one that is an experiential replica - one that brings me as close as I can get to the experiences and behavior I had sitting in front of the console hand stepping through code back at the end of the 1960s. The internals are based on modern FPGA but producing a cycle by cycle accurate system, faithful to the timing on the real machine. I have a blog detailing the work, my current state and goals, if anyone is interested, at ibm1130.blogspot.com
Currently I am adapting an IBM Electronic Typewriter model 50 - a late model of the Selectrics - to serve as the console printer since the 1130 used a 1053 (Selectric based printer). The keyboard is being adapted from a keypunch keyboard, since the 1130 used the keyboard from an IBM 029 punch, and even where I am using more modern devices (a streaming link over USB to a PC to present card images to the peripheral adapter logic, I have made it timing and behavior faithful. The processor itself is working quite well, which is why I have moved the focus to peripherals. It is a very similar effort to that of Lawrence Wilkinson who has built a 360 model 30 and is also building peripherals at this time. You can read about the 360/30 project at http://www.ljw.me.uk/ibm360/vhdl/
I am hoping that members of this group will be able to share advice and information as I look to adapt something like an RK-05 disk drive, since it is very similar to the IBM 1130 drive, in a later phase. It is a truly quixotic project with no clear end, but will give me the excuse to dabble in all manner of old technology along the way. Hopefully many of you will have fascinating projects and experiences that I can enjoy.
Carl
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Hi Folks,
I just heard that the Spare Time Gizmos SBC6120 partial kit is being offered as a Kickstarter project:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sparetimegizmos/classic-pdp8-replica
There are just 12-days left until the project expires. It currently has 11 of 30 slots filled.
Only 30-slots are available and all must be filled for the project to be funded.
I have signed up for one, so I'm hoping that it goes forward!
Steve L.
>From what I've read kickstarter also requires some formal example of a finished product now as well. Not just a pipedream with sponsorship. I imagine they're trying to use that as some security vs pay for an idea that someone might not be able to produce.
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On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 3:35 PM PST Chris Long wrote:
>Research Machines made a whole range of PCs starting with the first Nimbus.
>
>I have one in the collection but have had little time to look at it tbh.
I used to have a Nimbus mobo.
And I was thinking Apricot, yet said Acorn (that made a pc).
I seem to recall using a PCjr drive (Qume?) to image disks in a newer pc..
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On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 3:20 PM PST TeoZ wrote:
even the floppy drives were different then anything on a clone because the power was in the data cable).
I have a 3B2/1000 that I'm trying to resurrect. The main Winchester drive is dead-ish (haven't written it off, but it's doing spinup-click-spindown so there's something big wrong), so I need to label a new drive.
3B2s are DSQD floppies, and I'm trying to figure out my best approach. I have the utility software in a disk image, but PCs usually don't ship with DSQD drives. I've found three possible options, but don't know if anyone's used any of them (or one that I haven't come across).
(1) Mount the 3B2's DSQD floppy in a PC and try to write out the disk using it. Don't know if the PC's disk controller supports DSQD- I have a Compaq Deskpro 386/25 and a whitebox Pentium that I can try
(2) modify one of the above machine's stock 1.2MB drives to spin at 300RPM. Don't know if it will write out the disk this way, but found mod. instructions here: http://www.oldskool.org/disk2fdi/525HDMOD.htm . May work, may not -I'm not sure how QD and HD head widths compare.
(3) Replace the 3B2's 5.25 DSQD drive with a 3.5" drive and use 720K 3.5" disks to load it. Don't know how well 3B2 hardware would like this mod.
I do have the proper DSDD media to use, so that's not an issue. I'd probably write the disk out with "dd" on Linux or xBSD if possble, as the network support makes getting the image to the writing machine much easier.
Anyone been in this position before?
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On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 1:35 PM PST Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus wrote:
>I have seen plenty of 8-bit and 16-bit floppy controllers where the end
>drops lower than the connectors, especially if the card is very long; it
>supports the card in the case or the motherboard. Usually there is a brand
>of some sort. Sorry, I can't identify it by the numbers you gave. Maybe if
>you could post a pic somewhere of the front and back?
I know I have. Can't recall off the top what computers used them or if they were just early ISA cards. But remember this seems to be an oldee. Or was it just populated (repopulated?) with old chips? Otherwise what could be that old and mostly look like an ISA card? What bus used 62 pins?
What about Samtron? Were they related to Samsung? And what about Samsung? I know they made a 286 at least.
There were a million. Millions and millions.
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On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 1:43 PM PST Ethan Dicks wrote:
>ISTR some games that had to be released in Tandy 1000-compatible
>versions, but perhaps that was due to video hardware that wasn't
>really EGA or VGA-compatible at the register level.
>
>-ethan
They took advantage of enhanced CGA modes. Same with the jr.
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On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:58 AM PST Pete Plank wrote:
>
>On Feb 13, 2013, at 9:40 AM, Scott Quinn <saquinn624 at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> For those with old clones, what do you use them for, or is it just mostly nostalgia?
>
>I keep one for writing out disk images to 8" drives.
>
>Pete
You feel it's necessary to have an 8088 to do this? Can you tell us which specific components you use.
. Tandy was questionable, but in
>> reality not as bad as their rep.
>
>Yep. another case of not being exactly the same, and catching flack for
>that. Marketing did little or nothing to help prevent people looking for
>a CHEAPER 5150 from buying a machine that was DIFFERENT.
>That was probably MOST of the Sanyo sales, and even the RS 2000.
The 1000 couldn't take the longest cards. The earliest mobos had gold ram. The quality wasn't really bad. The 2k wasn't compatible and was possibly a bit less reliable. But when sales drooped (1st quarter?) They used them in the back rooms. They couldn't have been that bad but perhaps there's a reason so many had Bernoulli boxes jest in case ;)
>There was a local surplus dealer who had Augat sockets cheap! At local
>swaps, I was able to buy bare imitation 5160 motherboards. I learned to
>solder, often while watching TV. The third one that I assembled worked!
>By then, I was also no longer putting in sockets for DIP Switches and
>resistor packs :-)
I got my foist xsistor radio soldered and working wit no problems at all. I have a Canadian made I think MBE-XT bare board. I should populate it jest to see if I still got it going on ;). I'll need a box - anyone - and sit it next to my faux ATjr. Or maybe just screw it to a.piece of plywood and be happy.
>So, who WERE the worst EARLY clones?
>
>There WERE much worse machines than Sanyo. (which suffered more from
>incompatability than quality).
Hyundai were also too late I assume. Tandy was questionable, but in reality not as bad as their rep. Cordat, Corona? Can't say. There were gujillions of Taiwanese boxes in those days. There were kit computers. I know I'll get egged for.this, but personally I think people were stupid to not build a clone from parts they mail ordered from the back of BYTE. I was in fact too stupid. Heard all the bed rap about evil vicious clones and their problems. I did return my Tandy 1000 once I found out I could get top of the line graphics and screen for the same price. But I waited over a year to buy a Multisync II then some months later a pernicious Tandy 2000. It would have held up longer if I wasn't constantly tearing it apart. Then I bought an Itt Xtra XP 286 hybrid. Wasn't bad at all, but once again I conxtantly twiddled with it's innards.
Terry Yaeger once had a Hacker XT luggable. Maybe you should talk to him about it. And I'm telling you right now one of the rarest things in the universe are the later vga luggables that seemingly were churned out in the trillions.
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On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:44 AM PST Fred Cisin wrote:
>On Thu, 14 Feb 2013, Chris Tofu wrote:
>> In the 1980s??? Please provide proof of that.
>
>Want one???
An E-Machines peecee clone from the 1980s? I'd pay money for it.
Hi,
Just wondering, is it possible to upgrade a CMD CQD-220/T/M to a
CQD-220/TM by replacing the 2 firmware eproms?
Thanks,
Ed
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Zeg NEE tegen de 'slimme' meter.
They probably declared themselves never obsolete due to the atx form factor. Was their a 466mhz P* or was that a celeron? I'd bet 10 to 1 you could slap an 8" drive in that baby and archive to your heart's content. Somebody grab it.
If you're only reading 8" disks do you still need to reroute anything? Other then power.
I don't know either nor give a rip. I just know they weren't making peecee clones.
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On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 6:06 AM PST David Riley wrote:
>On Feb 14, 2013, at 2:02, Chris Tofu <rampaginggreenhulk at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> ------------------------------
>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:40 PM PST Eric Smith wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure when "then" was, but I think you've confused the company "eMachines" with the older UMAX/Supermac brand. eMachines was from their inception a PC clone company. Through acquisitions, eMachines was most recently an Acer brand, but has just been discontinued recently.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> Nuh uh. The original emachines at least sold mac cards. Check ebay. I still have my old Futura SX video card stuck in a IIcx.
>
>I have a Futura SX II in my basement along with the
>original driver floppies. I have no idea whether the e-Machines
>that made it is in any way related to the later one that Apple
>sued when they started making candy-colored PC clones;
>my suspicion is no, since I also have a vague (possibly
>false) recollection that the Mac card company got
>absorbed by Radius some time around the PowerPC
>transition.
>
>
>- Dave
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On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:40 PM PST Eric Smith wrote:
>I'm not sure when "then" was, but I think you've confused the company "eMachines" with the older UMAX/Supermac brand. eMachines was from their inception a PC clone company. Through acquisitions, eMachines was most recently an Acer brand, but has just been discontinued recently.
>
>Eric
Nuh uh. The original emachines at least sold mac cards. Check ebay. I still have my old Futura SX video card stuck in a IIcx.
E-majl your needs. I sold the drive cabinet like an idiot but the cpu w/1 busted key (and does not work), and the expansion cabinet w/a few digs I still have. I'll probably put this stuff on ebay soon. I can at least provide digital stills of the manuals though.
I've readily created and reproduced images of Tandy 2000 720k 5 1/4" floppies with run of the mill 1.2 Meg drives. All kinds.Imagedisk, Teledisk wotevuh. In early pentiums and whatnot. Didn't tamper with jumpers nor data rates. And I do seem to recall W2K server straitaway raeding quads in 1.2 drives. Again w/no tampering or fenagling anything. Not even a pretty please.
Don't listen to the Fredster. Quads are alive and well and are the de facto Uber Density.
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On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 12:43 AM PST Sam O'nella wrote:
>Have you tried making any of those 5.25 to 8" converters with them?
Most of the drives I"ve seen have 50 pin male headers like a scsi-1 or something else entirely.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris Tofu <rampaginggreenhulk at yahoo.com>
>Sender: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.orgDate: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:58:42
>To: <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
>Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
>Subject: Re: 3B2 floppies
>
>
>I also have a bag full of the card edge to header converters. 1$ + shipping.
>
Despite my illiteracy I was SIMPLY STATING that I've readily worked with quads w/o having to fiddle with anything.
What are we supposed to call them if not quads??? Clearly it's not about density when even I stated DD disks seem to always work. It's about a format that is unusual yet common enough to warrant a separate designation.
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On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 3:49 PM PST Fred Cisin wrote:
>On Wed, 13 Feb 2013, C:\Derp wrote:
>> I've readily created and reproduced images of Tandy 2000 720k 5 1/4"
>> floppies with run of the mill 1.2 Meg drives. All kinds.Imagedisk,
>> Teledisk wotevuh. In early pentiums and whatnot. Didn't tamper with
>> jumpers nor data rates. And I do seem to recall W2K server straitaway
>> raeding quads in 1.2 drives. Again w/no tampering or fenagling anything.
>> Not even a pretty please.
>> Don't listen to the Fredster. Quads are alive and well and are the de
>> facto Uber Density.
>
>For those who are literate, I clearly stated that MOST "1.2M" drives can
>do "720K" formats, once the drive select and cabling issues of
>installation are done, and after somebody COMPETENT writes software that
>switches speed or data transfer rate to the correct values (which they
>will often DEFAULT to, and prevents software from double-stepping.
>Any problems that occur are installation issues, and/or the result of
>running software that does stuff that you do not want.
>
>However, calling them "quad" is a completely clear determination of
>incompetence.
>
>There are no "FREDSTER"s here.
>
>
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On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:46 PM PST Toby Thain wrote:
>On 13/02/13 9:50 PM, Chris Tofu wrote:
>>
>> Do 128k Macs go for big bucks? Guess I've been out of the loop.
>>
>
>I heard they stopped making them.
O MY SIDE STOP STOP
I heard on good authority they ain't making twinkies no mo either. And then one turns up on this forum.
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On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:27 PM PST Chuck Guzis wrote:
>On 02/13/2013 09:03 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
>
>> "It works on a real IBM PC" carries no weight when a reviewer's machine
>> is buggy.
>
>Apparently, the Sanyo piece-of-something MBC-550 series machines are now collectors' items. One of the worst PC-compatibles/non-compatibles ever. Used a WD17xx floppy controller and ran (by CPU clock) slower than the 5150. Has a sort of VCR-look to it. No BIOS, except for a very simple bootloader--the BIOS had to be loaded from your boot floppy.
>
>One wonders what possessed Sanyo to make the thing.
>
>--Chuck
I thought you liked the Silver Fox. Yes it had a 3.58 mhz clock, a hybrid digital-linear power supply, one red key and the largest return key you'll ever need. My dookey machine don't work currently. It may look like a vcr because it's so compact. Warez are available on the Tandy 2000 yahoo group or at least there's a recent threadc telling you where to find them. They had a following back in the day. Had better color graphics then cga if you could imagine.
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On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:00 PM PST Scott Quinn wrote:
>I AM UNWORTHY!
>
>I have recited the proper names of the D-shells 10 times through as penance. Scrub out That Which Shall Not Be Named Again and insert whatever descriptive term you prefer.
>
>Some marketer got to the manuals and put in That Which Shall Not Be Named Again, and the 3B2 is my first introduction to that particular format. I have been instructed in the mysteries and now know the proper terms to use.
I have heard on good authority that even the priests and priestesses, Fred, Chuck, Allison,... utter such blasphemies in secretive chambers. So just don't swet it. Everybody's doing it.
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On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:03 PM PST Fred Cisin wrote:
>I don't remember what it was. Leading Edge? e-machine? Packard-Bell?
>Some sort of freebie thrown at him by some company's marketing.
O bruther. E-Machines, if even around then, wasn't making no clones. They made Mac video cards and monitors. And I'll have you know my Leading Edge/Sperry Model M runs rings around that Big Pyew. Supports 8" drives even maybe.
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On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 5:27 PM PST Fred Cisin wrote:
>But, after giving a copy to John Dvorak, and having it not work on his
>after-market POS, I started testing on every BIOS and every FDC that I
>could.
Point Of Sale like an NCR? Never mind. Do you remember what he was using?
I AM UNWORTHY!
I have recited the proper names of the D-shells 10 times through as penance. Scrub out That Which Shall Not Be Named Again and insert whatever descriptive term you prefer.
Some marketer got to the manuals and put in That Which Shall Not Be Named Again, and the 3B2 is my first introduction to that particular format. I have been instructed in the mysteries and now know the proper terms to use.