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Commodore calculators was RE: Calculators

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 6:16 PM PST COURYHOUSE at aol.com wrote: >we have one com. calc like this one in photo >in calc case at museum > >_http://www.burninghorizon.com/gallery2/v/cons/eccc2010/DSCF1042.jpg.html_ >(http://www.burninghorizon.com/gallery2/v/cons/eccc2010/DSCF1042.jpg.html) > >ed - www.smecc.org congratulations Ed. that is unquestionably the funkiest ugliest calculator I personally have ever seen. Egads.

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Anti-Virus

by rickb＠bensene.com

Good morning, Good progress was made yesterday with the Anti-Virus. The Windows 2003 server software was reloaded in "repair" mode on the server. Then the new server-side anti-virus was successfully installed and is running properly. All files on the server are now properly protected. The Email anti-spam and anti-virus was also updated successfully. The only thing that remains is to push the new version of the anti-virus software to the desktop computers. That is something that I'll be working on this evening. Please still remain vigilant about websites and Email until the workstation software can be updated on each of your computers. The risk is greatly reduced with the Email anti-virus running, as well as the anti-virus running on the server, but there still exists some risk of a desktop computer getting infected, so please be careful. I expect that I should have the new version rolled out to the desktop computers this evening. Thank you, -Rick B.

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Memorex/Telex keyboards

by sales＠elecplus.com

We found the following old keyboards this Saturday, buried in the keyboard room. Memorex/Telex 122 key 211292-002 or 952563-001, qty 13 complete Telex, no part number, qty 2, std XT 5-pin DIN, 10 function keys on the left, numeric keypad on the right. 1 is missing the spacebar. No way to test these, sold as-is. Make offers? Cindy Croxton _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2641/6146 - Release Date: 03/03/13

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Commodore calculators was RE: Calculators

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

Message: 27 Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2013 21:55:28 -0500 From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Commodore calculators was RE: Calculators Message-ID: <51340D20.5030509 at neurotica.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 03/03/2013 09:42 PM, Chris Tofu wrote: >> we have one com. calc like this one in photo >> in calc case at museum >> >> _http://www.burninghorizon.com/gallery2/v/cons/eccc2010/DSCF1042.jpg.html_ >> (http://www.burninghorizon.com/gallery2/v/cons/eccc2010/DSCF1042.jpg.html) >> >> ed - www.smecc.org > > congratulations Ed. that is unquestionably the funkiest ugliest calculator I personally have ever seen. Egads. > Maybe it's just me, but I think it's AWESOME. > -Dave -- >Dave McGuire, AK4HZ >New Kensington, PA I LOVE THE CLUNKY OL' THING! Really need to find some data on it! Someone gave it to me as a gift fro the computer display we had back in the 80s at our computer business and it moved over into the museum side of things now! Does anyone have data on it!? Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)

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Commodore calculators was RE: Calculators

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

Did Commie make only one? I have one, don't ask me the specifics. White keys, some red, some blue IIRC. Green display IIRC. 1000$ to the first/last bidder (make that a Pay it Right Now). Mostly for the distinct pleasure of exhuming it from my time capsule. Alright I'll take 950$. I'm not a hard man.

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Raspberry Pi

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:38 AM PST Tony Duell wrote: >It has been said that now that calcualtors are everywhere, kids do not >need to leanr how to do long multiplication and division. I am nto sure I >accept that (given that long multiplciaton and division have applciations >in manipulating agebraic expresions too). But I am convinced that if you >are goign to assume that clacualtors are everywhere you should teach kids >why said calculators do not always give the right answers and how to >avoid such problems. > >-tony When I was in hs, calculators weren't seen until or 12th grade. When it was impractical and too time consuming to work out every log, trig function, or laborious arithmetic operation. Kids have been bringing calculators to school for 2 decades probably, and I for one see that as a travesty.

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Commodore calculators was RE: Calculators

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

we have one com. calc like this one in photo in calc case at museum _http://www.burninghorizon.com/gallery2/v/cons/eccc2010/DSCF1042.jpg.html_ (http://www.burninghorizon.com/gallery2/v/cons/eccc2010/DSCF1042.jpg.html) ed - www.smecc.org

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Commodore calculators was RE: Calculators

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

>> _http://www.burninghorizon.com/gallery2/v/cons/eccc2010/DSCF1042.jpg.html_ >> (http://www.burninghorizon.com/gallery2/v/cons/eccc2010/DSCF1042.jpg.html) >> >> ed - www.smecc.org >> >> congratulations Ed. that is unquestionably the funkiest ugliest calculator I personally have ever seen. Egads. > > Maybe it's just me, but I think it's AWESOME. > > -Dave But it doesn't even look like a calculator. Far more like a phone. Uniquely horrible. That's not a bad thing though. Don't get the wrong idea.

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Calculators

by jgessling＠yahoo.com

This leads me to my belief that I was the last slide rule teacher.? In 1975, in Ghana, I was teaching A level math as a Peace Corps teacher.? We had a whole section on slide rule calculations.? Thanks to some agency, I think UNICEF, we had one of those 6 foot long rules that mounted at the front of the class.? The kids really caught on quick and it was a lot of fun.? Especially as the students figured out other things they could do. Regards, James?

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IBM Model F DIN connector repair

by mbbrutman-cctalk＠brutman.com

I have two Model F keyboards (original PC or XT) that have gone bad due to an intermittent connection in the DIN connector. I'm not sure how these were originally assembled, but in the mode of failure that I have the pins (embedded in the round black plastic that spaces them) come out of the rubber sleeve. Pressing tightly restores connection for a little bit, but it is not really usable that way. Finding the DIN plug is not a problem. But I really don't want to hack off the end of the cable with the nice molded IBM plug. These are not museum pieces, but I'd like the repair to be unobtrusive. Has anybody else run into this problem and attempted a fix? I'm also open to just replacing the cord entirely, but I doubt that there is a surplus of originals laying around anywhere. Mike

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Slide Rules (was: Calculators)

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:17 AM PST Mark Tapley wrote: >James (and Chris), > I graduated in 1980, McCallum High School, Austin, Texas. We had a slide rule team, with a coach. In addition, my Biology and physics teachers all let me use slide rule for all homework and tests, giving me credit if my answer was within about 0.5% or so. Dunno whether that counts, but if so would push the date out to 1980. > I did get a TI-59 (still have it, sticky keyboard and I'll bet the card reader doesn't work) middle of my senior year. That was a pleasant culture shock... > I don't know that I ever saw one of the six-foot-long "supercomputers" :-) . > >At 20:07 -0600 3/2/13, <James> wrote: >> This leads me to my belief that I was the last slide rule teacher.? In 1975, in Ghana, .... > >-- - Mark 210-379-4635 I think I was required to get a scientific calc in 12th grade (pre-calc, uh, why does that designation not seem right?). Or maybe it was just strongly suggested. Obviously it made sense at that point. Mine was a horizontal Sharp thingamabob. It wasn't the real high end model/s, designated PC-n by Radio Shacj IIRC. I broke the lcd years later, though I could hack in a replacement, but I can't find it. Only the brown plastic slide in case. Cost about 40$. >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Large Asteroids headed toward planets >inhabited by beings that don't have >technology adequate to stop them: > > Think of it as Evolution in Fast-Forward.

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Raspberry Pi & Electronic devices and such - calculators, microcomputers & more

by c.murray.mccullough＠gmail.com

R. Fogarty writes: ? Knowing how to program a computer may seem like a far-fetched dream for ?ordinary? people. After all, don?t you have to be some kind of genius to manipulate the will of a machine and have it do your bidding?? Well, with Raspberry Pi, no! And most beneficial of all you?ll be in geek heaven. What better way to understanding Big Data today and having a fond and respectful remembrance of classic computing of yesteryear. Or maybe as C. Zarin writes: ?We learn more than we ever wanted to know about things we wish we?d never heard of.? I hope this never comes to pass when it comes to classic/vintage computing. Murray--

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Sharp EL-5100 was Re: Calculators

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

I wanted Josh to be proud of me. I searched out vintage sharp calcs on ebay, not Google/Lord Goozitsu. Mine was the EL-5100. Was nice. Wish I could find mine. Only got the brown case, which is cracked. But so is Josh. Is ebay the new Google/Goozitsu?

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Slide Rules (was: Calculators)

by tdk.knight＠gmail.com

slide rules eh? jefferson cr1 and cr2 and the other has fuel and speed time distance direction http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/652/dsc9760v.jpg http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/8297/dsc9759.jpg

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anyone got a TRS-80 model 4P for parts/repair?

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

preferably not on the west coast.

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DEC TU10 rack (empty) / DEC VT52 available

by jdr_use＠bluewin.ch

Available, for free : empty DEC TU10 rack, with backdoor and sidepanels, in very good condition. Not free : make offer for a fully functional VT52 terminal, a functional Apple III ( with screen and external floppy ) is also slowly looking for a new home. Location : Zurich Switzerland. no shipping, but i do travel throughout Western Europe from time to time. Jos Dreesen

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Laserjet fuser rollers - cleaning

by jules.richardson99＠gmail.com

Came home with a dumpster-find Laserjet 4 (with jetdirect board) yesterday. Self-tests OK but prints with some minor repetitive ghosting on the pages (it has almost a million pages on the clock). There's some baked-on toner on the fuser roller which might[1] (most probably!?) be the culprit, but gentle cleaning doesn't seem to get rid of it; question is, how aggressive can I be with it? I don't know if the blue-gray color is just a thin coating of something magical, or if it's a hunk of solid metal which can be scrubbed. [1] it was pretty filthy inside, but I stripped everything down around the fuser and toner areas and cleaned everything there. I've not flipped the thing over to check underneath yet, but I'd expect dirty rollers to cause feed problems if anything, not image problems. As it stands it's perfectly fine for home use doing stuff such as printing out things from bitsavers, so I don't want to make it worse - but OTOH it'd be useful as a general-purpose printer if the image problems were fixable without pouring a bunch of cash into it. cheers Jules

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Shameless Classic Parts Trafficking Redux (M88K)

by ittybittybytes＠gmail.com

Shameless Classic Parts trafficking Redux More Stuff from the shed.to Ebay DG Aviion M88K 251238413863 HEUKIRON 86K VME 251238419401 Sparc LX 251236748206 DEC VAX VXT 2K+ 251236734890 DEC Alpha Station 200 251237885752 DEC Vax 4000/300 251236580530 As always, if you tell me (before I ship) that you are a part of the list, I throw in some freebies. And to all you Hosers, I can now ship to The Great White North (Canada) :

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Raspberry Pi

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:08 PM PST Ian King wrote: >Would this thread please die? What we've learned from this interminable, >er, "discussion": > >Tony doesn't like RPi. Not surprising, it seems Tony doesn't like much >beyond early HP calculators, and only if misspelled. (Note: what's >generally considered the first "real" spell checker was created in 1971, >on the PDP-10 at SAIL. Early work goes back to the late 1950s/early >1960s. Is that sufficiently vintage?) > >Some people are very confused about computer security. > >Some people are very confused about computers that don't run MS-Windows. >Really, they exist, and many of them are quite useful. Some of them came >before MS-Windows. I can point you at some books about this. With >pictures, if needed. > >And... that seems to be about it. Can we move on, please? -- Ian Some of the conclusions you claim to have drawn perfectly illustrates why these discussions accomplish zilcho. People get lost in the morasse, ie can't focus, are overly idealistic, and are just prone to hallucinate. As a parting though (imagine that!) there actually is merit to Richard bringing up the focus of the first worm. Besides the internet was, is and likely always will be dominated by UNIX based servers, UNIX and it's derivatives aren't immune from attacks. It's just that generally, I feel, they're the target of more sophisticated exploits, as opposed to every script kid wanting to bring down Windoze boxes.

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Calculators

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

So typically what age were you allowed to use these in school? It stands to trump my argument if it was young enough. What's the difference between a calculator and a slide rule from one perspective? ------------------------------ On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:54 AM PST James Gessling wrote: >This leads me to my belief that I was the last slide rule teacher.? In 1975, in Ghana, I was teaching A level math as a Peace Corps teacher.? We had a whole section on slide rule calculations.? Thanks to some agency, I think UNICEF, we had one of those 6 foot long rules that mounted at the front of the class.? The kids really caught on quick and it was a lot of fun.? Especially as the students figured out other things they could do. > > >Regards, James? >

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early CAD

by dave.thearchivist＠gmail.com

While cataloguing today I came across a mention of a drafting system a google and see page 11 of www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/694647.pdf What I have is in a collected articles type of book Topics in Electronics, microwave electronics, space technology, avionics radar transportation, laser interferometry, automatic drafting vol VIII 1967 http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=bk3270 Dave Caroline

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Raspberry Pi

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:52 AM PST Alexander Schreiber wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 09:34:10PM -0800, Chris Tofu wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ________________________________ From: Alexander Schreiber >> > <als at thangorodrim.de> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts >> > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 8:07 PM Subject: Re: >> > Raspberry Pi >> > >> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:40:48AM -0800, Chris Tofu wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------ On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:04 AM PST Allison >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > >On 02/28/2013 11:45 AM, ben wrote: >> > > > >> > > > That "low price is best trend" I would change. For me a modern >> > > > programing tool is "text editor" and 80x24 text screen on 15" display.? >> > > > Explain to me why a cheap PC in my home can't keep up to the net >> > > > (windows 7) and a credit card computer can do better for surfing.? Ben. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >Simple task specialization, and task overhead limiting.? That and in7 is >> > > >just a bigger pig. >> > > > >> > > >The average PC has many tasks running and even then unless the CPU is a >> > > >pig and the graphics unassisted doing a web browse is usually limited to >> > > >only how fast all the data gets there. >> > > > >> > > >However for 80x24 text terminal the cpu overhead is very low and the >> > > >graphics load (screen) lower, linux give you that if you don't run the GUI >> > > >and its very fast.? I know this from running and ARM7 based system at >> > > >300mhz and for text and compiling code for itself the limiting factor is >> > > >actually the disk subystem (a micro SD chip). >> > > > >> > > >To e the raspberry-pi is a great computing resource for embedded tasks. >> > > > >> > > >Allison >> > > >> > >? What about security? Does Rpi employ a firewall and virus scanning? And >> > >> > What on earth for? It is not running Windows, it runs Raspbian (a modified >> > Debian Wheezy) by default. Aside from the fact that virus scanners are >> > useless in general. >> > >> > C: You entirely missed the point apparently. It was being compared to a >> > Windows box in terms of performance. >> >> That isn't really a valid comparison as your typical Windows box (assuming >> it is less than 4 years old) has a _lot_ more memory, storage and much more >> CPU and GPU than a Raspberry. >> >> > Most Windows boxes employ a firewall and >> > virus scanner (and spam killer, cookie cutter, etc. oi). You haven't noticed >> > Norton or Kaspersky slowing down your system? > >Not at all, they have absolutely no impact on any of my systems. Which would >be because all my systems run Unix of some sort (mostly Linux, but also >NetBSD and FreeBSD). Ok so therefore not in a position to discuss whether or not the pi should be compared to a windows box to begin with. People love to pick fights on topics, all the while loudly proclaiming they lack all the facts. >> > >? since the pi uses sd storage, it might make more sense to compare it's ? >> > >internet capabilities with a tablet or smart phone. >> > >> > What "internet capabilities"? It is a Linux box. Which mean you can do pretty >> > much anything (within the computational & I/O limits of the box - it won't >> > work as an IMAP-Server for 100000 users for example). >> > >> > C: You're batting a thousand (which seems to be a trend in this discussion). >> > Windows boxes (and Linux boxes for that matter) use hard drives. The pi uses >> > sd storage. As do smart phones, tablets. > >And what exactly does the storage medium have to do with what the system >can do network-wise? For that matter, the Raspberry Pi can use harddrives >just fine: simply attach (via powered hub) a USB disk ... The issue isn't solely about network specifics. Your ability to load/offload data has something to do with the overall net experience, I'm sure. >Kind regards, > Alex. >-- >"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and > looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison

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Calculators [was: Re: Raspberry Pi]

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 5:21 AM PST Jason McBrien wrote: >> >> From: Seth Morabito <lists at loomcom.com> >> C: And you actually don't believe there's any merit in strengthening your >> problem solving ability by doing a certain number of rote calculating, >> particularly in the young mind? >> > >Rote calculating only marginally improves problem solving abilities. Mainly >it drills into your head the basic mechanics of calculation. I have no >problem with this in early elementary, however, once algebra is introduced >symbolic computation should be priority. I was still doing long division in >high school - what was the point of that? After 10 years I had it pretty >well down (heck I had it down after 5 years) After basic calculation and >algebra are mastered, I don't see *any* reason to compute any A/D/M/S >operation. > >As an aside: here's an incredible game that teaches 8-year-olds algebra: >http://dragonboxapp.com/ well at least to me it's funny that you bring up long division. I was very good at math through bout my schooling taught myself how to multiply before it was introduced. But long division was always weird to me and still is. in recent history I think I forgot how to do it once or twice. which might sound silly but it's simply reinforces the fact that you need to reinforce the facts.

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Any idea who built this 1972 Intel 8008 Micro?

by elson＠pico-systems.com

Subject: Any idea who built this 1972 Intel 8008 Micro? Message-ID: <757329711804df14f8af9915bc2cc5e1.squirrel at www.solomonson.net> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 In the early 1980's I picked up a micro built around an Intel SIM8-01 development system at an electronics swap meet in Minneapolis. The enclosure is professionally fabricated in a deep red translucent plastic case and uses what appears to be one of the earliest SIM boards issued by Intel. All indications is that it was built in the summer or early fall of 1972. I used some smaller Intel 8008 boards in 1976 for a project, but they generally looked a good deal like the ones in the video, just a bit smaller. My guess is that is a one-of-a-kind unit. Jon

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Any idea who built this 1972 Intel 8008 Micro?

by craig＠solomonson.net

In the early 1980's I picked up a micro built around an Intel SIM8-01 development system at an electronics swap meet in Minneapolis. The enclosure is professionally fabricated in a deep red translucent plastic case and uses what appears to be one of the earliest SIM boards issued by Intel. All indications is that it was built in the summer or early fall of 1972. I would like to find out who or what company might have built this system and for what reason. I have posted a YouTube video showing some of the features of this computer and a bit of history about it. You can view the video at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GG6goCIWCYY What is also interesting is that the guy that sold me this computer had 3 micros on his table and all were like new and in working condition. They included this Intel system, an Altair 8800 (factory assembled with serial #5!), and a beautiful SOL-20. That was a nice little collection for one individual to have at that time--seems like he was either well connected in the industry at that time or might have been part of some local R&D department (CDC, Univac, or Honeywell?) and was helping them clean house! Let me know if you have ideas or have seen this system before. Thanks!

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Raspberry Pi

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:04 AM PST Allison wrote: >On 02/28/2013 11:45 AM, ben wrote: >> >> That "low price is best trend" I would change. For me a modern programing tool is "text editor" and 80x24 text screen on 15" display. >> Explain to me why a cheap PC in my home can't keep up to the net (windows 7) and a credit card computer can do better for surfing. >> Ben. >> > >Simple task specialization, and task overhead limiting. That and in7 is just a bigger pig. > >The average PC has many tasks running and even then unless the CPU is a pig and the graphics >unassisted doing a web browse is usually limited to only how fast all the data gets there. > >However for 80x24 text terminal the cpu overhead is very low and the graphics load (screen) >lower, linux give you that if you don't run the GUI and its very fast. I know this from running >and ARM7 based system at 300mhz and for text and compiling code for itself the limiting factor >is actually the disk subystem (a micro SD chip). > >To e the raspberry-pi is a great computing resource for embedded tasks. > >Allison What about security? Does Rpi employ a firewall and virus scanning? And since the pi uses sd storage, it might make more sense to compare it's internet capabilities with a tablet or smart phone.

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Calculator Use (was: Re: Raspberry Pi)

by bobvines00＠gmail.com

[snip] > Message: 18 > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 14:05:30 -0800 (PST) > From: Chris Tofu <rampaginggreenhulk at yahoo.com> > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Raspberry Pi > Message-ID: > <1362089130.27488.BPMail_high_carrier at web141105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > ------------------------------ > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:38 AM PST Tony Duell wrote: > >>It has been said that now that calcualtors are everywhere, kids do not >>need to leanr how to do long multiplication and division. I am nto sure I >>accept that (given that long multiplciaton and division have applciations >>in manipulating agebraic expresions too). But I am convinced that if you >>are goign to assume that clacualtors are everywhere you should teach kids >>why said calculators do not always give the right answers and how to >>avoid such problems. >> >>-tony > > When I was in hs, calculators weren't seen until or 12th grade. When it was > impractical and too time consuming to work out every log, trig function, or > laborious arithmetic operation. Kids have been bringing calculators to > school for 2 decades probably, and I for one see that as a travesty. > Just last year, I had to show a young Engineer in my office how to use my 1983-vintage Radio Shack scientific calculator! :P He's young enough to either have mostly used smart phone apps for such things rather than *real* calculators, or he'd forgotten how to use a scientific calculator because of his app use/dependence. Of course, another Engineer in my office discovered the hard way that his calculator app was faulty when calculating a trig function (Sine, I think) for a problem. Fortunately, a real calculator convinced him that his app had a bug (a RAD to DEG conversion programming error) -- he immediately found a better calculator app. Bob

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IBM 5150

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:59 AM PST Tony Duell wrote: >BUT this will not coverrt scan rates. You end up with a composite signal >with an 18kHz horizotnal scan frequency if you start with an MDA singal. >Some monuitors can be tweked ot handle that, many cannot. Of those that >can, they might not like it too much,m you are stressing the horizotnal >ouptu transisotr and flyback transoformer a bit. Are said xsistors readily replaceable with one that can handle a wider range? What ultimately happens if you push a flyback too far? Burnt winding? >> Have you tried beeping? I think rom BASIC supports beeping or some > >The cassette mtoor control commands (is that MOTOR ON and MOTOR OFF?) are >suitable too. Bulb/s? >When I had a floppy disk controller problem on mt PC/XT, I put the board >on an extender, booted to ROM BASIC and used port acccess commanedst to >fiddle eith the control registers on the FDC board. A bit of work with a >logic probe and I found the faulty IC. The only logic probe I ever owned, still own I think, was only good to 1mhz I think. Probably suitable for what you mentioned, but not everything on a pc obviously. Address and data is pulsed at what frequency?

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Learning (was: Re: IBM 5150 ROMs)

by mtapley＠swri.edu

At 12:00 -0600 3/1/13, Ben wrote: >I'd use a COCO II computer. You don't need to run the software. :) >Ben. Maybe not for recording Win7, but for learning BASIC, this turns out to be good advice. One from Cindy's warehouse (after taking off the dusty top case and washing it and the keys, and buying an RCA-to-"F"-connector adaptor for the video) has spent part of last night and *all* of this morning (since before I got up until after noon) teaching Extended Color Basic to my 12-year-old son. WOOT. Maybe I'm dreaming, but I may finally have found at least a partial antidote to "MineCraft". Fortunately, I already own a cassette recorder and cable and the EDTASM cartridge, and Drivewire 3 with OS-9 images runs on our G3 iMac, so assuming that talks to the CoCo, he's got room to grow for a while. I suppose I should try to get Drivewire 4 running on the iMac ... For reference: http://www.cloud9tech.com/ Cassette recorder/cable (and many other goodies) http://www.frontiernet.net/~mmarlette/Cloud-9/Software/DriveWire3.html DriveWire 3, runs on the iMac but haven't tested communications yet https://sites.google.com/site/drivewire4/ DriveWire 4, not running for me on Mac OS X.4 http://www.altex.com/F-Female-to-RCA-Male-Adapter-7530-P140726.aspx Adapts channel 3 RF-encoded video from CoCo 2 RCA jack to "F" connector -- - Mark 210-379-4635 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Large Asteroids headed toward planets inhabited by beings that don't have technology adequate to stop them: Think of it as Evolution in Fast-Forward.

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Raspberry Pi

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

The talk about the Acorn and RISC OS reminds me that I've been interested in one of these, primarily to run RISC OS. What is the recommended version, price, and place to get a Raspberry Pi from? I assume I want a "2.0 Model B 512Mb"? I've found a seller on eBay with this and they include a case for $57. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Photographer | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | My flickr Photostream | | http://www.flickr.com/photos/33848088 at N03/ | | My Photography Website | | http://www.zanesphotography.com |

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IBM 5150

by feldman.r＠comcast.net

>Message: 11 >Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 16:24:14 -0500 >From: Ethan Dicks < ethan.dicks at gmail.com > > >On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote: >> On Thu, 28 Feb 2013, Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus wrote: >>> I have never seen Autocad for a 5150, but there are color games for the >>> 5150, and if you have a color monitor, the games have code in them to set >>> the colors and resolution... >> >> For some reason, CGA AutoCad never really caught on. > >I'm sure there's very little if any CAD for CGA. The oldest program I >personally used was OrCAD, and that was in the 5170 PC-AT days, and >that was, IIRC, EGA, or at least that's what was on the machine I was >using it on. > >-ethan The first half dozen or so versions of AutoCAD could run at CGA resolution. I ran my first version of AutoCAD (2.08, Release 5) on an XT clone with a CGA card. Later, I was able to afford a Techmar Graphics Master. I could run that at 708 by 708 monochrome on the same XT clone. I still have the software, but unfortunately no longer have the Techmar card. I have also run AutoCAD 2.14 (Release 6) on an HP 200LX palmtop, which is basically CGA. It can be done, but the limited resolution does hamper what you can do. I also have a copy of AutoCAD 1.4 (Release 4, 1983) that was customized by John Walker to run on an Otrona Attache 8:16 for an archaeologist colleague at the University of Chicago. The Otrona has a strange software emulation of CGA! Bob

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DIBOL-11 manual?

by earl＠retrobits.com

Anybody know where there might be a DIBOL-11 language reference manual? Have checked the usual haunts, no joy. Thanks, - Earl

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IBM 5150 ROMs

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

>> How would such late versions of Windoze wind up on the other 5150? >> Wonders never cease. > >The other 5150 could run a CD-ROM drive. There are a few complications to >doing so, such as needing DOS 3.10 or above if you don't want to write >your own CD-ROM drivers, etc. I've never put a DVD drive on a 5150, but >I don't think that the differences would matter much. Better yet, let's test the premise in a non anachronistic real world way by transferring Winders 7 to o roughly 126,000 cassette tapes. You can start w/o me. I'll join in in about 6 months. My advice is to get the fastest 8088 you can find.

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IBM 5150

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:46 PM PST Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus wrote: >We have the video cards, too. List please :)

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Which PDP-8, PDP-11, Etc., Components Require Protection from High Humidity?

by bobvines00＠gmail.com

I've been storing my PDP-8s, PDP-11s, disk drive units, floppies, etc., in my garage at about 45% relative humidity in an attempt to prevent corrosion/deterioration. Finances are about to force me to turn off my dehumidifier out there and I can't bring the *complete* machines into the house. Which components, modules, or other related items should I be most concerned about protecting from high humidity? Which should I move into my house? Magnetic core modules? Disk packs? Floppies? Etc.? Any recommendations? Thanks, Bob

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IBM 5150

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 6:56 PM PST Chuck Guzis wrote: >A friend and I marketed a replacement for the MDA card on a 5150/5160 that used a Z80 and a bunch of parts to allow the PC user to replace their display card and hook up a VT-100/220 style terminal--and switch or split-screen the PC data with other serial data (say, from a minicomputer) on the terminal. It also took the terminal keyboard codes and translated them to 5150 scan codes. It had a certain appeal, but wasn't fast enough to work effectively with a 5170 and would not do graphics. > >I still have the board (and a few abandoned prototypes). I want them. All of them.

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IBM 5150 ROMs

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

>> Better yet, let's test the premise in a non anachronistic real world way by transferring Winders 7 to o roughly 126,000 cassette tapes. You can start w/o me. I'll join in in about 6 months. >> >> My advice is to get the fastest 8088 you can find. >> >> > >I'd use a COCO II computer. You don't need to run the software. :) >Ben. Who said anything about running it! >

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IBM 5150

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:18 AM PST Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus wrote: >Why can't you just write a small batch program that references the driver >and the necessary commands, and put it on the startup disk? If not enough >room on a 360K, then you can use a second floppy. We used to do this for >customers all the time, 15 years ago. Also included small start up menus, >etc. Drivers = extension rom code? Interesting proposition. I'll wager it's not very straitforward. Numerous graphics cards had drivers for say Autocad and whatnot. But that's entirely different from the startup code needed to set up initial register values and whatever on the cards chips. It seems what you're saying is the pc will startup w/o video (usually returns an error, but you can use a pc w/a terminal off the rs232 port, just don't ask me the particulars). Then initialize the video card as dos is starting. Seems possible, would be interesting to see someone do it. >-----Original Message----- >From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] >On Behalf Of madodel >Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:48 AM >To: General at proxyz14.mailnet.ptd.net; Discussion at proxyz14.mailnet.ptd.net >:On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts >Subject: Re: IBM 5150 > >On 2/28/13 9:43 AM, TeoZ wrote: >> The ROM say IBM 1981, this unit must be early, Serial # 0155185 (did >> they start from #1?). > >I was told by David Both that he used the very first PC off the assembly >line to write the PC Documentation. When I asked what happened to PC #1 >after he was done with it he said as far as he knew the same thing they did >to all their internal use machines at the time. Stripped it for parts for >warranty repairs. > >Mark > > >> So I guess I have to find an original IBM CGA card then and all is well? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Satterfield" >> <christopher1400 at gmail.com> >> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org> >> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 3:53 AM >> Subject: Re: IBM 5150 >> >> >> I believe your VGA problem has to do with the older IBM ROMs, I >> believe you need the '82 BIOS to use a VGA card or any card with it's >> own BIOS, and being as I have a 16-64 KB 5150 with the newer BIOS I >> assume yours will work also, saying you have an EPROM programmer. >> >> -- >> C:\win >> Bad Command Or File Name >> C:\ >> >> > > >-- > > From the eComStation Desktop of: Mark Dodel > > Warpstock 2013 - http://www.warpstock.org > Warpstock Europe 2013 -http://www.warpstock.eu > > >For a choice in the future of personal computing, Join VOICE - >http://www.os2voice.org > > "The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth >of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their >democratic State itself. That in it's essence, is Fascism - ownership >of government by an individual, by a group or by any controlling private >power." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Message proposing the Monopoly >Investigation, 1938 > >----- >No virus found in this message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2641/6136 - Release Date: 02/27/13 > >----- >No virus found in this message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2641/6136 - Release Date: 02/27/13 >

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Looking for old HP PA7100LC and MOTO 88110

by michael＠almegacy.com

Dear cctalk: Please add the following post to your daily digest. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there are any issues. Very best regards, Mike *Wanted to purchase: Systems containing Motorola 88110 Processor or HP PA7100LC Processor: * ? Motorola MVME197DP or MVME197SP single board computers utilizing the original 88110 processor, or any system that utilized the Motorola 88110 processor (such as the MOTOROLA 900, 900R workstations or other company?s workstations (e.g., Data General AViiON, Harris Real Time Unix Servers)), originally sold in the United States on or before August 16, 1994. Proof of sale (receipt or the like) is highly preferred. Also interested in technical documentation on any of the above that shows a breakout of the serial number on the MVME197 (SP or DP) or on the 900 or 900R or on other systems that used the Motorola 88110 processor in order to decipher date of manufacture, country of manufacture, etc. ? HP Systems containing the PA7100LC processor, such as the 9000 E-class business servers (Models E25, E35, E45, E55), or the HP 9000 Series 700 Models 712/60 and 712/80i, or HP 9000 Models 715/64, 715/100, 725/100 or HP 9000 Model 743 or HP 9000 model 748i, or HP 3000 Series 9X8 servers such as HP 3000 Series 918 LX, HP 3000 Series 918 RX, HP 3000 Series 928 LX, HP 3000 Series 928 RX, HP 3000 Series 968 LX, HP 3000 Series 968 RX, HP 3000 Series 978 LX, HP 3000 Series 978 RX, originally sold in the United States on or before August 16, 1994. Proof of sale (receipt or the like) is highly preferred. Also interested in technical documentation on any of the above that shows a breakout of the serial number in order to decipher date of manufacture, country of manufacture, etc.

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IBM 5150

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 4:21 PM PST David Riley wrote: >On Feb 28, 2013, at 3:45 PM, Chris Tofu wrote: > >> >> >> But the burning question is could you fiddle with the extension rom code and use it as a loadable device driver? After all you could transfer rom BASIC to a disk file and run it that way. > >Probably not; extension ROMs usually provide services to the BIOS (or >hook interrupts used by the BIOS and run in place of the BIOS >routines) while DOS drivers tend to provide services directly to DOS. >It's akin to the difference between a driver and an application (but >obviously not exactly the same). I would have guessed extension roms contain raw independent code. Largely just writing values to port addtesses >Whether you could run a script from autoexec.bat or config.sys to >execute expansion ROM code after DOS boot is another question, but >I have no idea how well that would work after the BIOS has already >handed over control to the OS (I suspect not so well, but I don't >know for sure). You can certainly try jumping to the code location >in DEBUG or the like. Which lead me to ask what a video device driver is/does. Presumably when you type Mode co,80 iirc, or screen 1 in basic, you're assigning different values to ports ie fiddling with say the 6845's registers, thereby creating another screen on the fly. Unless I'm wrong. But if not, isn't that kind of what a dd does? There's bound to be more then that going on. But code is code, regardless of what stage of the game you're in, start up, boot up, os fully installed. The os only has as much control as you allow it. You communicate with dos, but s/w at least can manipulate the h/w. Which is why s/w has too much power under dos. When dos transfers control to a bunch of code, it's boss. > >- Dave > >

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Next warehouse day March 2

by sales＠elecplus.com

The next Kerrville warehouse day is March 2, starting 9AM. Those who have come have gleaned many treasures J Please let me know if you plan to come, and what areas you are interested in, so I can start digging things out for you. Bring a truck, bring a U-Haul, I need to clear some things out! Old Sperry server, RA82 hard drive, lots of terminals and keyboards, old memory, what are people looking for? Old mono and color 9-pin monitors, early 15-pin monitors, daisy wheel and dot matrix printers, etc. Most of this old equipment does not take to UPS shipping very well. Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus 1613 Water Street Kerrville, TX 78028 (830)792-3400 phone (830)792-3404 fax AOL IM elcpls _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6114 - Release Date: 02/18/13

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IBM 5150

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

But the burning question is could you fiddle with the extension rom code and use it as a loadable device driver? After all you could transfer rom BASIC to a disk file and run it that way. ------------------------------ On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:06 PM PST Fred Cisin wrote: >On Thu, 28 Feb 2013, Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus wrote: >> Why can't you just write a small batch program that references the driver >> and the necessary commands, and put it on the startup disk? If not enough >> room on a 360K, then you can use a second floppy. We used to do this for >> customers all the time, 15 years ago. Also included small start up menus, >> etc. > >The "driver" is a ROM. You'd have to start by writing a LOADABLE driver. >It would be convenient to have another machine on hand while writing it, >since the "driver" is to get the video to work. > >It would be MUCH MUCH easier to install a CGA or MDA card, and contact >Cindy Croxton in Texas and buy one of her "9-pin monitors". > >

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Raspberry Pi

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 6:18 PM PST Richard wrote: > >In article <512FE45E.5000602 at jwsss.com>, > Jim Stephens <jws at jwsss.com> writes: > >> The lack of exploits does not mean there will be none. There are still >> vulnerabilities which could work on a linux machine as well as any of >> the PC or Macos ones as well as any. > >How quickly people forget that the first major internet >(unintentional) DDOS attack was all against unix machines. W/o looking at your citation, I'll guess it was at a time when there was little else on the internet (arpanet?). ><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_worm> >-- >"The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" free book <http://tinyurl.com/d3d-pipeline> > The Computer Graphics Museum <http://computergraphicsmuseum.org> > The Terminals Wiki <http://terminals.classiccmp.org> > Legalize Adulthood! (my blog) <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com>

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IBM 5150

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 4:33 PM PST David Riley wrote: >On Feb 28, 2013, at 4:24 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote: > >> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote: >> On Thu, 28 Feb 2013, Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus wrote: >>> I have never seen Autocad for a 5150, but there are color games for the >>> 5150, and if you have a color monitor, the games have code in them to set >>> the colors and resolution... >> >> For some reason, CGA AutoCad never really caught on. >> >> I'm sure there's very little if any CAD for CGA. The oldest program I >> personally used was OrCAD, and that was in the 5170 PC-AT days, and >> that was, IIRC, EGA, or at least that's what was on the machine I was >> using it on. > >The original AutoCAD (for some degree of the term "original") was >developed for DOS on 8086 and CP/M-80 (plus early development for >the TI 9900). John Walker has a document-based history of >AutoCAD development here: > >http://www.fourmilab.ch/autofile/ > >I think my favorite document is this one: > >http://www.fourmilab.ch/autofile/www/section2_10_8.html > >I'm still a little upset that we've ended up (OK, not ALL of us) >with the 8086 as the dominant processor of the computing world. > >In any case, I would imagine that the DOS version of AutoCAD in >1982 wasn't using anything better than CGA. Some of the dev >notes for AutoCAD-80 note that work got done faster because the >CP/M port relied on more intelligent output devices that needed >less low-level control than the IBM and Victor 9000 ports. > > >- Dave And unless I'm mistaken, Autocad ran on a cga equipped 5150 through version 7 or 9. I think it was 9 I got from the job. And all they had in my dept was the early 5150. Later upgraded it to a hybrid 286.

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IBM 5150

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:13 PM PST Fred Cisin wrote: >On Thu, 28 Feb 2013, Chris Tofu wrote: >> It seems what you're saying is the pc will startup w/o video (usually >> returns an error, but you can use a pc w/a terminal off the rs232 port, >> just don't ask me the particulars). Then initialize the video card as >> dos is starting. Seems possible, would be interesting to see someone do >> it. > >Yeah, we used to. > >It is nice, however, to have boot video! So why didn't you use a terminal? You can run a video card and a terminal simultaneously, no?

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DOS video device drivers

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

That...might be a good place to look! I may already have every IBeeMer refernce manual known to man (or wimminz). Also got another journal thing on the subject. Where is that thing... But what I was looking foris more or less a skeleton flowchart description. Maybe if I hum and contemplate Josh's goofy answer, I'll come to the discovery that it's sufficient. NOT. ------------------------------ On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 2:48 PM PST Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus wrote: >I will drag out my old 8088 IBM ref book and get back to you on that. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] >On Behalf Of Chris Tofu >Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 3:07 PM >To: cctalk at classiccmp.org >Subject: DOS video device drivers > > >What do they consist of? Is a brief description possible. Please. > >----- >No virus found in this message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2641/6136 - Release Date: 02/27/13 > >----- >No virus found in this message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2641/6136 - Release Date: 02/27/13 >

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Qudos MINICHIP / Quickchip ECAD and Ferranti ULA docs

by classiccmp＠philpem.me.uk

In my long-running tradition of obscure requests... Does anyone know if a copy of the Qudos Ltd "MINICHIP" gate array design tool still exists anywhere? This was a CAD tool designed for the BBC Micro (with 6502 Second Processor) which allowed the machine to be used for the design of Ferranti ULA gate arrays. There was also a similar tool called "Quickchip" for the Acorn Archimedes ("A440 only" according to page 22 of this: http://acorn.chriswhy.co.uk/docs/Acorn/Brochures/Acorn_APP155_HardwareExpan… ) There's some mention of MINICHIP here: http://www.chilton-computing.org.uk/inf/literature/newsletters//ecn01-20/p0… http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=GzPpAAAAIAAJ&lpg=PA85&ots=sR_gUYkMii&dq=… I'm also interested in a copy of any documentation on Ferranti ULAs - databooks, details on the logic cells (specifically the ULA9C series but ULA5C may also be useful), design software (or documentation thereof) and so on. Examples: Qudos Ltd. - Qudos Logic Array Design Software Manual QED2 (pub. 1986) Ferranti - Ferranti ULA Design Manual A/F002 (pub. 1981) Guessing what I'm trying to do is left as an exercise to the reader... but it involves photos of the Tube ULA layer masks and a copy of Degate... :P Thanks, -- Phil. classiccmp at philpem.me.uk http://www.philpem.me.uk/

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Xerox 16/8 was Re: HPUX Enterprise Operating Environment

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

Got one too :) But the "box" doesn't work, too well anyway. I just figured I could hit ya up for a rom image if necessary. ------------------------------ On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 2:04 PM PST Dave Land wrote: >On 2/28/13 12:43 PM, Chris Tofu wrote: >> >> Hey Dave, is your Xerox fully functional? >> >> >Chris, > >Yes, it works very well as a matter of fact. :) ..and before you ask, >that's the one I'll probably hang onto for a while, heh heh! > >D- > >-- >Dave Land >Land Computer Service > >Check out my site at http://www.landcomp.net

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Raspberry Pi

by barythrin＠gmail.com

Its not going to be rpi specific but it will be at risk for any standard exploit for services it hosts. You could pwn it via apache, dns, mail server, etc but again its mostly app vulnerabilities and no real blame to the product itself. For protection it shouldn't have any problem running simple iptables (firewall rules), clamav (on demand virus scanner) if desired or I suppose even snort or other ids/ips although thatd certainly take away from the limited resources. Either way it should have all the charm of the ported OS.

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IBM 5150 ROMs

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

------------------------------ On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:02 PM PST Fred Cisin wrote: >> >Anybody remember USES of the SIXTH ROM socket? >On Thu, 28 Feb 2013, Chris Tofu wrote: >> Sorry no >> >"MBI" (probably a different MBI) made a supplement ROM that added >> >some printer configuration features, etc. >> >I think that there still is one in my 16K 5150 > >> Such a big market for them old printers these days > >and THAT was the IBM version of the Epson MX80! > >> (ok a plotter is a sort of printer and the only way anyone's getting >> mine is wrenching it from my cold rigor mortised embrace. > >Proposed transfer terms? Acceptable. But the initial assailant/s might wind up as dead as me. Someone else might get it. But not them. >> >Other "non-standard" ROMs: >> >Todd Fischer? made a diagnostics ROM, to temporarily replace the BIOS ROM, >> >and communicate through the serial port! >> Ooh gimme dat! I want one seriously. What's his phone number? > >doubtful that it is still the same AREA CODE The send out an APB. >> You can pop the hood and put in a new chip. But what about an extension >> via the all too popular casette port? > >Once you boot up, and go into cassette BASIC, then you can load almost any >age-appropriate software through the cassette port. You could even >connect two 5150s through the cassette port and transfer files. Any idea >how long it would take to transfer Windoze7? (Windoze 3.10 or above will >not run on a 5150.) How would such late versions of Windoze wind up on the other 5150? Wonders never cease. > >-- >Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com

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