> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 01:04:48 +0100
> From: shadoooo <shadoooo at gmail.com>
> To: cctech at classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: VAX 11/730 Documentation
> Message-ID: <54600120.9080902 at gmail.com>
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>
> Hello,
>
> > I haven't booted my machine up yet, because it hasn't been able to
> read any of its console tapes.
>
> I have too a lot of tapes, complete and uncomplete sets of software
> installation tapes,
> plus two/three console versions and some with unknown content.
> The problem is, many of them suffer from sticky rubber on tape (if you
> try to move the rubber leader,
> it will create blank spots on tape, removing the magnetic oxide
> substrate).
> Other have a broken band. I read somewhere around, it is possible to
> detach the rubber band using hot air,
> and replace it with some sort of PVC strings. I would need a lot of time
> to try something... but the bigger problem is not this...
> I don't have a TU58 to be used on the desk to try to read the tapes, and
> even better to assembl?e a new firmware allowing to format
> blank tapes.
> I'm trying to buy some piece of hardware since a lot of time... no luck
> so far.
>
> If anybody has a TU58, or parts, please let me know.
>
> Andrea
I got the machine inside yesterday and started to look it through. Have
also problem with the TU58's. The rubber wheels are just goo.
I have a lot of tapes, ~30 of them. Don't know what they contain yet.
/Anders
I've been back at scanning the big pile of Sun binders lately and I'm
down to the last box (that I can still find.) I've uploaded a few
over the last 24 hrs but one may be worth calling attention to for
early Sun fans, doc #813-2004-14, "Cardcage Slot Assignments and
Backplane Configuration Procedures." I've seen a number of FAQ and
help pages with charts pulled from various versions of this doc but
not the whole thing. It covers various models of the Sun-2 through
Sun-4 range. You can find it and the others here:
http://chiclassiccomp.org/docs/index.php?dir=%2Fcomputing/Sun
-j
Are there any AS/400 emulators out there?
Alternately, any baby AS/400 systems in the Columbus, OH area? I'm
asking for a friend.
--
-Jon
Jonathan Katz, Indianapolis, IN.
Hello !
Vintage workstations and servers for sale/auction
in Slovenia, Europe. Below is the list of hardware,
if you are interested, please read the details
regarding the sale terms at the end of the list.
For anything else you wish to know, please direct
all questions regarding equipment to E-mail
janprunk-at-gmail.com and not to the mailing list.
3 x HP 712
1 x Switch Hubstack JEHI-24
1 x Power Macintosh 7500/100
2 x SUN Sparcstation 4
1 x HP 9000 PC-308 (XT)
1 x Digital DEC 3000
1 x HP Terminal (monitor) 700/96
1 x Digital DEC 2000
1 x HP 9000 E35
STATUS OF THE EQUIPMENT :
Equipment is being sold AS IS, meaning there is no
facility to test it ! Computers should be in a working
condition, some were even used by me personally,
but consider them being sold as a DEFECT, due to its age,
limited skills and lack of my time to exclude warranty terms.
I am able and willing to provide the photos of the exterior,
but please don't ask me to open up the machines to photograph
the interior or components, boot up the OS, test the condition
etc. I can provide exact model and serial number if that will be
helpfull to you. Some computers come with the original hard
drive inside and some don't.
AUCTION:
You are welcome to bid prices for this equipment.
To limit the sale to serious bidders, I will only consider
bids above 100 EUR per computer, if there are more
bids for the same computer I will consider the highest
offer. I haven't placed the equipment on EBAY at this
time, because that would make me obligated to ship
the computers even with a 1 EUR bidding win price and that
would just mean too much work and no pay for me.
PAYMENT:
I am able to accept bank wire as a preferred method,
cash or cheque, cryptocurrencies, such as Bitcoin but
I am unhappy to accept Paypal due to its refundment
policy which always sticks with the buyer.
SHIPPING:
I would prefer if you can do local pickup, however
that might not be possible for people who don't live near
Slovenia. I am willing to ship the equipment by mail,
but be advised that Slovenia foreign parcel shipping is
very expenssive so it wouldn't cost less than 80 EUR to
ship the computer across Europe, due to its weight and
dimensions. Shipping outside Europe would probably even
double the amount, but if you are a serious collector
I will also consider that option if you are willing to
pay for shipping. I might have the accessories for
computers - keyboards, cabling ... but consider the
workstations being sold without that, as shipping
the workstation + keyboard can be a problem, due to
different dimensions and it would need to be packaged
into two separate packages, therefore doubling the
shipping costs aswell.
ADDITIONALS:
Keep in mind that bids below 100 EUR would just mean
too much work for me to organise the shipment so I would
rather not deal with it. I hope that the computers can
find a new home with some other collector. For anything
else you wish to know, please direct all questions
regarding equipment to E-mail janprunk-at-gmail.com
and not to the mailing list.
I wish you all a happy bidding !
Kind regards,
Jan Prunk
Has anyone been able to reach Vince Briel recently? I hope he's ok, as
I've enjoyed his pocket-term and micro-kim kits.
I ordered a Superboard III kit on August 25th. I was hoping to use it
as a gift in early October!
On 9/18 I heard back with
"Hey Gary,I have a OSI 600 and I can say the Superboard III is really
close to the exact same thing (little better video quality). I'll look
for your order and see if I can't get it out shortly"
And on October 13th
"Hi Gary. Sorry ive been moving this week. Should be done in a day or
two. My main pc went down but i should have it fixed this week. Still
only have phone for internet."
Nothing since, and no additional information on his forum or website.
Hello,
I have a 730 too, with a bunch of documentation.
Unfortunately, the system is stored in a friend's garage by now,
and the documentation is all there too.
But I could go there to seek if there's something interesting that is
not on bitsavers yet.
Anyway, thanks for your contribution!
Andrea
> From: Noel Chiappa
> I also discovered and repaired at least two cold-solder joints (one was
> one of the pins for W1, the master clock control - the pin was actually
> loose when I wiggled it).
So it turns out that loose wire-wrap pins seem to be a systemic problem on
11/23's. I just discovered _3_ more on one single 11/23 board - two of them
the pins for the master clock! I put my finger-tip on them and wiggled, and
they were loose.
I'm not sure why it's the wire-wrap pins especially - maybe their physical
size meant that they have larger thermal inertia, and so need a longer heat
than the manufacturing process gave them, to bring them up to temp to prevent
a cold solder joint?
Anyway, if one has a flaky 11/23, that's definitely something to check.
Noel
> From: Pete Turnbull
> I didn't think Noel was referring to backplane pins .. but to the
> various jumper pins on the 11/23 PCB itself. .. Noel?
Correct.
Noel
I've been working on getting a PDP-11/23 running for a while now, with
various amounts of success!
I had it in a state where I could boot XXDP from a virtual TU-58 and
everything seemed to work pretty well. I then got ambitious and got an RL02
and an RLV11 (M8013+M8014), and last night I tried to get the RLV11 to pass
the unconnected diagnostics that just test the controller.
I tinkered with it for a while, but never got it to work. Then, in between
trying a few things (but without touching the hardware), the machine seemed
to get very flaky. Right now I can still boot an XXDP tape image, but as
soon as I try to do anything it dumps me back to ODT:
NOT ENOUGH MEMORY TO BOOT XXDP-XM
BOOTING UP XXDP-SM SMALL MONITOR
XXDP-SM SMALL MONITOR - XXDP V2.6
REVISION: E0
BOOTED FROM DD0
28KW OF MEMORY
NON-UNIBUS SYSTEM
RESTART ADDRESS: 152010
TYPE "H" FOR HELP
.
150674
@
I tried removing the RLV11 boards, returning the machine to it's former
state, but I have the same issue.
I'm pretty new to all of this and always have trouble figuring out what the
next debugging step should be.
My machine is a PDP-11/23 with a H9273 backplane. I have, in this order
>from the top: M8186, M8043, M8044DF, and an M8012 at the bottom.
Any help would be appreciated! Thanks!
--
Ben Sinclair
ben at bensinclair.com
Is it possible that anyone has a copy of Sharkware Professional 2.0 for
Windows and would like to sell it?
If so, please contact me directly.
Thanks!
--
Sellam ibn Abraham VintageTech
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I've haven't gotten any ClassicCMP mail in days. Peeking at the
archives, it seems the server fell over, but that was fixed...
But I'm still not getting mail...
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--- HDI Certified Support Center Analyst - http://www.ThinkHDI.com/
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"Computers have lots of memory but no imagination."
"The problem with troubleshooting is that trouble shoots back."
- from some guy on the internet.
As I suspected and alluded to before, there are issues with the list(s) that
were pretty much expected (loss of previous settings of digest mode, as well
as cross posting resulting in duplicates, and in some cases posts showing up
as attachments). Yes, I am aware of these issues.
I just received a post from a listmember about their "patience wearing
thin". To that list member, I suggest you unsubscribe completely from both
lists permanently. Obviously we're not the best choice for them. My patience
is not wearing thin just yet. If yours is. please leave.
Given that the list(s) are at least semi-functional, albeit with some
issues, I switched gears and have been working to get the websites and other
services migrated from the old server to the new server, and am almost
complete with that. Should have the last website migrated by Friday as well
as a few changes that are needed on the main bitsavers repository. After
that, I'll start digging into the remaining issues with list functionality
and then finally we'll start dealing with getting the archives imported
(along with bits that have been missing for a while).
Thanks so much for all your patience folks, we'll get there.
Best,
J
Someone found a number of paper tapes in a dumpster outside a building at
University of Lund. They all had a sticker indicating Nuclear Data Inc. I
received them and read them. Hopefully they read OK. Some of the tapes had
been slightly damaged by water.
ND41-1061-00_EXTENDED_PUSHBUTTON_OVERLAY_FOR_4410_PYSICS_ANAL_VERSION_A.bin
ND41-1062-00_EXTENDED_PUSHBUTTON_HL_SPEED_READ_PUNCH_IO_FOR_4410_PHYSICS_VERSION_A.bin
ND41-1076-01_PART4C_ND4420_SINGLE_PARAMETER_MONITOR_CASSETTE_OVERLAY_FOR_PRINT_LOADER_SHOULD_BE_IN_FIELD_1.bin
ND41-1076-02_PART1_ND4420_SINGLE_PARAMETER_MONITOR_DO_NOT_LOAD_FROM_FIELD0.bin
ND41-1076-02_PART2_ND4420_SINGLE_PARAMETER_MONITOR_DO_NOT_LOAD_FROM_FILED_0.bin
ND41-1076-02_PART3_ND4420_SINGLE_PARAMETER_MONITOR_DO_NOT_LOAD_FROM_FIELD0.bin
ND41-1076-02_PART4B_ND4420_SINGLE_PARAMETER_MONITOR_HIGH_SPEED_MAG_TAPE_OVERLAY_DO_NOT_LOAD_FROM_FIELD_0.bin
ND41-1085-00_X-RAY_FUNCTIONS_OVERLAY_FOR_ND4410_LOADER_MUST_BE_IN_FIELD_1.bin
ND41-1101-02-FLOATING_POINT_PACKAGE_MODIFIED_FOR_41-1060_SAN.A._.bin
ND41-1102-03_MULTI_FIELD_FLOATING_POINT_CONTROL_FOR_41-1060.bin
ND41-1104-00_EXTENDED_IO_OVERLAY_FOR_4410_SINGLE_PARAMETER_PHYSICS_ANALYZER_VERSION_A_8K_MEMORY_MINIMUM.bin
ND41-1105-01_ND4410_BLOCK_FORMAT_CASSETTE_IO_OVERLAY_FOR_41-1060.bin
ND41-1108-00_ND4410_PEAK_EXTRACTION_OVERLAY_WITH_PEAK_FIT_VERSION_A.bin
ND41-5032-00_PEC_MAGNETIC_TAPE_COPIER-BLOCKED_FILES_VERSION.bin
ND41-6012-00_ORCAL-6_16K_VERSION_SUPPORTS_HS_READER_AND_CASSETTE_SYSTEM.bin
ND41_6001-02_ORCAL-2_8K_VERSION_LOW_SPEED_READER_ONLY.bin
ORCAL6_8K_LC02_741016.bin
Here is a picture of them: http://i.imgur.com/GEX7lmN.jpg
Here is a tgz of all files (including a matching picture of tape itself) :
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/96935524/Datormusuem/NuclearData/Nuclea…
Anyone interested in the actual tapes? Free for the cost of shipping.
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To unsubscribe from the address you are mailing from:
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This will include a link to the web page for subscription
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--
Lawrence Wilkinson lawrence at ljw.me.uk
The IBM 360/30 page http://www.ljw.me.uk/ibm360
I hope folks don't mind me forwarding this, but some interesting, if
probably well know links.
Dave
G4UGM
From: noreply at salesforce.com [mailto:noreply at salesforce.com] On Behalf Of
Mike Kelly
Sent: 07 November 2014 12:26
To: dave.g4ugm at gmail.com
Subject: TNMoC News - The winners of the 2014 Tony Sale Award for computer
conservation
NEWS RELEASE from the Computer Conservation Society
The winners of the 2014 Tony Sale Award for computer conservation are .
a virtual 1930's mechanical computer
and a restored industry-changing computer.
7 November 2014
The 2014 Tony Sale Award for computer conservation has been jointly awarded
to two outstanding and contrasting entries representing computing in the
1930s and the late 1950s.
The winners are the IBM 1401 Demo Lab, a restoration of one of the most
significant machines in computer history by the Computer History Museum in
California, and Z1 Architecture and Algorithms, a virtual reconstruction of
the 1930's Konrad Zuse mechanical computer, by the Free University of
Berlin.
Run by the Computer Conservation Society and sponsored by Google UK, this is
the second Tony Sale Award for computer conservation. The first was won in
2012 by Dr David Link for LoveLetters, a computer art installation that
continues to tour the world.
In announcing the 2014 winners, Martin Campbell-Kelly, computer historian
and head of the judging panel, said: "The eight excellent entries for the
2014 Tony Sale Award from four different countries clearly demonstrates how
computer conservation is flourishing more than 20 years after Tony Sale
embarked on his pioneering and awe-inspiring reconstruction of a Colossus Mk
II, a world-famous exhibit at The National Museum of Computing on Bletchley
Park."
The IBM 1401 Demo Lab is a classic reconstruction of a 50-year old
commercial computer. It marked the transition of IBM as a supplier of
accounting machines to it becoming the dominant supplier of the mainframe
era. Announced in 1959, the IBM 1401's success took everyone by surprise.
The company had expected to sell or lease about 1,000, but went on to
deliver 15,000 and by the mid-1960s they amounted to half of the computers
in the world. Its high-speed chain printer was a key to its success --
punched card machines were eagerly traded in for the IBM 1401 and business
computing took a huge stride forward.
In a project involving 20 volunteers over ten years, two 1401s have been
restored at the Computer History Museum in Mountain View, California. The
computers and the ancillary equipment including the famous 1403 chain
printer are on permanent display and the working system is demonstrated
twice a week. See
<http://www.computerhistory.org/atchm/restoring-the-ibm-1401/>
http://www.computerhistory.org/atchm/restoring-the-ibm-1401/ for more
information about the project.
The judging panel said: "The IBM Demo Lab is a flawless restoration of a
machine that signalled a turning point in the computer industry and the use
of computers in business."
Z1 Architecture and Algorithms, the other joint-winner, is a virtual
reconstruction of one of the world's earliest computers, the Z1. Originally
built in 1936-38, the Z1 was destroyed in a bombing raid in 1943. In the
1980s and then in his 70s, Konrad Zuse embarked on a reconstruction of the
Z1 which is now a remarkable but static exhibit at the Technology Museum in
Berlin. However, with 30,000 parts the reconstruction of the mechanical
computer was unlikely to be robust or reliable enough for regular operation,
so a team led by Professor Raul Rojas began a virtual reconstruction with a
technical description.
Through the meticulous research of Professor Rojas, a team of his students
was able to construct a 3D visual simulation of the arithmetic unit for
deployment on the web. In addition, hundreds of high resolution photos of
the Z1 enable web users to explore the machine from any angle at very high
resolution. See <http://zuse-z1.zib.de/> http://zuse-z1.zib.de/ for the
virtual reconstruction.
The judging panel said "Z1 Architecture and Algorithms is a remarkable
vision of how such complex artefacts might be delivered to a worldwide
audience. It is a project that will undoubtedly give museum curators pause
for thought."
Rachel Burnett, Chair of the CCS, said "The late Tony Sale would have been
delighted with the entries that we have had in the year of the silver
jubilee of our Society that he co-founded with Doron Swade.
"The computer conservation movement is dynamic and growing apace. Through
the Tony Sale Award, we salute the computing pioneers of the past and the
dedication of those today who breathe vibrant life into our incredible
computing heritage."
Notes to Editors
1 The Computer Conservation Society
Established in 1989, the Computer Conservation Society (CCS) started as a
joint venture between BCS, The Chartered Institute for IT, the Science
Museum and later the Museum of Science and Industry in Manchester. In recent
years The National Museum of Computing has become a key partner.
2 The CCS Judging panel
Martin Campbell-Kelly, computer historian, was joined in the 2014 panel of
judges by Chris Burton, engineer and computer conservationist , Nigel Sale,
computer scientist and son of Tony Sale, and Doron Swade MBE, museum curator
and author.
3 Links to other nominated entries for the 2014 Tony Sale Award
The Analogue Computing Museum collection in Schwalbach, Germany.
<http://www.analogmuseum.org> www.analogmuseum.org
The Jim Austin Computer Collection in York, England.
<http://www.computermuseum.org.uk> www.computermuseum.org.uk
The restoration of 1970s DEC PDP computers at The Rhode Island Computer
Museum (RICM), Rhode Island, USA.
<http://www.ricomputermuseum.org> www.ricomputermuseum.org
The PRS 4, a restoration of a 1973 Polish micro-computer at the Muzem
Historii Komputerow i Informatyki (MHKI) in Katowice, Poland.
<http://www.muzeumkomputerow.edu.pl> www.muzeumkomputerow.edu.pl
The Technikum29 Computer History Museum collection in Frankfurt am Main,
Germany.
<http://www.technikum29.de> www.technikum29.de
The WITCH-E project, a trans-Atlantic educational project, by David Anders.
<http://www.elinux.org/WITCH> www.elinux.org/WITCH
4 About Tony Sale
Tony Sale (1931-2011), in whose honour the computer conservation award has
been established, is perhaps best known for leading the team that rebuilt
Colossus, the world's first electronic computer. He was also a key figure in
starting the campaign to save Bletchley Park in the early 1990s, he
co-founded The National Museum of Computing and jointly established the
Computer Conservation Society.
Media Contact
Stephen Fleming, Palam Communications, for the Computer Conservation Society
+44 1635 299116
<mailto:s.fleming at palam.co.uk> s.fleming at palam.co.uk
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>From: IN%"cctalk at classiccmp.org" 5-NOV-2014 15:54:48.98
>To: IN%"cctalk at classiccmp.org"
>CC:
>Subj: cctalk Digest, Vol 1, Issue 16
>Message: 2
>Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 14:26:55 -0500
>From: Charles Phillips <charles at uniwho.com>
>Subject: Re: list issues & status
>Message-ID: <15B1D053-9560-4850-B84C-7A2AE983B22E at uniwho.com>
>anyone really hard core and still uses Elm?
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elm_(email_client)
>:-)
OK, I'll bite. Reading and replying with OpenVMS MAIL. :)
Fred
After replacing a lot of dead National Semiconductor TTL ICs this nice
little machine from 1972-1973 is running again. It works perfectly to do
calculations and also to create programs. I also managed to both store and
restore a program written onto a home made magnetic card. Home made since I
wasn't able to find any.
There are a few issues left: The belt in the card reader is slipping a bit
so a replacement would probably be needed to get it working 100%. One
segment in the display is dead.
Anyway: Here is the writeup of the restoration:
http://www.datormuseum.se/computers/hewlett-packard/hp9810a
and here is a video-clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9rBoWvze48
Enjoy!
/Mattis
> SET DIGEST
Ah, back in the classic days of computers, people didn't understand
mailing lists, and sent their mailing list commands TO THE LIST.
Are we going back to the way things used to be done?
I know you won't ignore, even if I ask... :)
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--- Dave Woyciesjes
--- CompTIA A+ Certified IT Tech - http://certification.comptia.org/
--- HDI Certified Support Center Analyst - http://www.ThinkHDI.com/
Registered Linux user number 464583
"Computers have lots of memory but no imagination."
"The problem with troubleshooting is that trouble shoots back."
- from some guy on the internet.
Hello all.
today I visited a corporate owned computermuseum in our city of Arnhem,
the Netherlands. you could touch an open some machines on display
(others would require tools. :-) )
among them are a IBM 1401 with printer, tapedrives and terminal. some
parts of a IBM 370/145, the console of a 360/30, several acounting
machines, pdp8/e with two cabinets full of extra flip chips, card
sorters, punches, collimators.
all in all nice stuff.
unfortunately they are not open to the general public. :-(
pictures:
https://hack42.nl/gallery/v/Museum/exciting/
--
Met vriendelijke Groet,
Simon Claessen
hack42.nl
Hmm? These mailing list issues are starting to get out of hand ...
Your membership in the mailing list cctalk has been disabled due to
excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated
06-Nov-2014. You will not get any more messages from this list until
you re-enable your membership. You will receive 3 more reminders like
this before your membership in the list is deleted.
Oh hell. I sure didn't mean to open up that can of worms (the every year or
so debate on if replies should be to the list or to the poster). But since
it HAS been brought up....
Background for short-timers: There is a recurring debate every year or so as
to the reply-to headers setting on the list. The way it works now, when the
list sends out list traffic/posts to each of you, it "munges" the reply-to
header so that when you hit "reply" to a list post, the reply goes to the
list. If you want to just reply to the poster directly (off-list), you have
to go through gyrations like hitting forward and typing in the senders email
address.
Taking off my list owner hat... the following is my own personal opinion on
the topic which shall not be dictated upon the rest:
I think that's insane, not to mention that I suspect it violates some RFC's
and breaks the good intentions/functionality of most MUA's. But
regardless.... if the list was set the other (the normal) way... when you
get a post you hit reply to reply directly (and only) to the original poster
and if you want it to go to the entire list - you hit "reply all". I mean,
come on - that's why mail clients HAVE a reply vs. "reply all" button.
The only argument I've heard that is vaguely cogent for the current method,
is that people will often hit reply with a golden nugget of information and
the rest of the list will miss out on that. The argument on the other side
of the fence is that having it set the way it currently is causes people to
very often post things to the list that were meant to be private.
I am of the opinion that the reply-to should be set to the poster, not the
list, and let people use their MUA the way it was intended. That being said,
I'll defer to whatever the majority of folks wish. On the other hand, this
list is mainly frequented by Grumpy Old Men aka Curmudgeons - of which I am
most certainly one - and changing this well-entrenched behavior is likely to
start a religious war which I want no part of :)
<troll>So how bout that 10-year rule?</troll>
;)
J
VCF East 10 -- aka "VCFeX" is almost six months away (April 17-19, at
our museum in Wall, New Jersey). But the planning is in top gear! I'm
very happy to announce that our keynote speakers will be Dr. Dr. Ted
Nelson (Saturday -- he has two doctoral degrees) and Bob Frankston (Sunday).
The event web site is just beginning to get populated, so please pardon
the lack of details for now: vintage.org/2015/east/ .... we're also
social at facebook.com/vcfeast and we just joined Twitter.com a few
minutes ago @vcfeast.
New for 2015: more technical classes on Friday; longer exhibit hall
hours Saturday and Sunday.
never set a password. usually you can send an email to change your
settings. I haven't used Mailman in ages.
On 11/4/2014 7:06 PM, Evan Koblentz wrote:
>
>> I don't know where the directions are to get back to digest mode
>
> Edit your subscription at
> http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/options/cctalk.
>
Slightly confused as I posted something this morning to cctalk and I got
back a message saying my post was awaiting moderation for cctech. I can
sort of understand in that I didn't post to cctech, but neither did my post
appear on cctalk. Something may not be quite right...
Hope this one makes it :-)
Regards
Rob
> I used to get this list in digest format which was nice. It seems like
> this setting has been reset for everyone.
Jay made it quite clear that they had totally lost the mailing list
configuration, and that they had to re-create the list of subscribers by
looking through out-going mailing logs, which would only give them addresses
(at least, from simple processing). In other words, all the configuration
info had been lost, and people would have to reset things.
Now, can we get back to technolgy?
Noel
> From: Peter Corlett
> Go on, try to unsubscribe from cctech. I did, and it told me I wasn't
> subscribed
You ought to grovel through the headers in the incoming email for 'Received'
lines; you might be subscribed via a different email address from the one you
tried to unsubscribe.
Noel
A little while ago I posted about a H7864 PSU (from an rtVAX 1000) that
had failed on me with a loud pop and no apparent physical damage. I
discovered which component has failed and it is a large transistor, Q301,
but I have yet to find out why it failed.
To help, I have been working out the schematic for the area of the PSU
that failed, which is labelled Primary Control Module, and situated after
the rectifier and before a large transformer that appears to isolate the
following stages of the PSU. The aim is of course to use the schematic to
attempt to work out the cause of the failure and repair that too before it
blows up the replacement transistor or damages some other part(s).
The schematic is here: http://1drv.ms/1yBzYTN (png) or here:
http://1drv.ms/1xFXUnR (Eagle schematic). I may not have drawn it
logically, and may have some bits wrong, as it is quite difficult to
derive the schematic and it is easy to make mistakes. I don?t know how to
identify zener diodes, so all diodes are drawn as ordinary ones. I was also
unable to draw the transformers correctly as I don't know their spec and
pinout.
I have found some of the capacitors in the circuit to have a high-ish ESR.
C407 in particular has a high ESR, C404 has a high-ish ESR, and C303 needs
re-forming but I don?t yet have equipment that can produce a high enough DC
voltage (should be able to do this in a few days time). My plan is to
replace all three of these. Whether these would cause Q301 to pop I don?t
know, what do people think?
There are also some heat marks around D408 and possibly R415 (both seem to
test OK).
Are there any other bits of the circuit that I should check that might
cause Q301 to pop?
Any advice really appreciated!
Thanks
Rob
usually there are instructions in the footer of each msg. I *was* on
digest till the revamp and now I'm getting way more email than I want
and I don't know where the directions are to get back to digest mode. I
missed whatever email exchange this was.
On 11/4/2014 5:31 PM, Jim Carpenter wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Fred Cisin<cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
>
>>> SET DIGEST
>>>
>> Ah, back in the classic days of computers, people didn't understand
>> mailing lists, and sent their mailing list commands TO THE LIST.
>>
>> Are we going back to the way things used to be done?
>>
>>
> On nearly every mailing list I belong to the first SET DIGEST or
> UNSUBSCRIBE command that goes out on the list *always* sets off a
> storm of requests from other people. :(
>
> Jim
>
>
On 10/11/2014 04:06 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote:
> On 2014-Oct-11, at 1:57 AM, Rik Bos wrote:
>
>>>> Just noticed recently that the source from 1970 for the single-user HP BASIC
>>> has appeared on bitsavers (thanks Al), so working on getting that going now.
>>> Nice to have some period software for the machine.
Direct link?
>>> That was OCR'd from a listing that purchased from HP in 1971 so that I could
>>> hack on the BASIC interpreter that was running on the 2114 at my high school.
Same source? Got a link?
>> Probably Educational Basic HP24160A, there was a special configuration of
>> the HP 2114A/B combined with the HP 2748A paper tape reader and a HP 2760A
>> optical mark card reader and a HP 2752A Teleprinter delivered to schools and
>> Universities.
>> The whole combination without the Teleprinter was built in a 19"cabinet with
>> a small drawer at the top, it's purpose was to learn children and students
>> Basic.
>> The Educational basic differs from stand-alone HP 24000A Basic, it can read
>> a special kind of marked cards (HP 02760-9051) with basic commands on it.
>
> Haven't seen any mention or support for the card reader in either the interpreter or the PBS (Prepare Basic System) device configuration .. seems to be the standard version.
>
> I remember the special BASIC mark-sense cards from the 9830 + 9869A/7261A card reader at the high school I went to.
Penfield High, NY where I attended, had a 19" cabinet with an HP-2114B
(B?) and a ASR-33 console. There was also an HP-2761A Optical Mark
reader, and I'm not sure the printer.
At the time I used it, there were 4 "consoles" running and time slicing
was done on each line of basic. The card reader was one input, and the
printer was the output. The ASR-33 was the only interactive terminal the
previous year, but new this year were two crt serial terminals. They
were not the HP branded terminals.
There was a paper tape punch and a reader. The punch was disconnected
and sitting over on a shelf.
As I recall there was a dual 8" floppy drive inside the cabinet.
There was no login on the terminals. Files starting with an exclamation
point where invisible to directory listings.
I've not found a time-shared basic that matched this type of
configuration. Dick Stover (now deceased) was the systems operator for a
number of different schools in upstate New York that ran similar setups.
Is the HP24160A you mention a software system? or the bundling of
specific hardware? both? Is the BASIC multi-user?
There was a grading program in the system that, as I recall, was
triggered by a CALL -151 command in basic. Thus a teacher would include
the magic card that triggered the app, then include a card marked with
the correct answers, then as many cards to be graded as they liked. I
don't recall how this was ended. Might have been a special end card. The
printer would then print a grade report for each card. All other
processing on the other "consoles" would halt until the grading was
complete. Then the BASIC time slicing would resume where it left off.
I have some partial source listings from back then of the D&D program we
were working on. It used a number of "chained" programs to do: map
generation, map navigation, battle encounters, inventory management,
etc. We had functions to pack and unpack date into floats as I don't
recall the BASIC supporting direct integers.
I'd be very interested in any source that might be this version of
BASIC. I've looked at the Montana State University basic, but this does
not look like what I recall. Sources for some of this up on my site:
http://rikers.org/hp2100/
check out the "msu" directory.
I have:
HP-2116A (non-functional, yes, that's an A, not a B or a C)
HP-2100A (not powered up)
HP-2108A (functional)
HP-2112A (functional)
HP-7900 (broken chassis)
HP-7901 * 2 (never powered up)
HP-2748B Paper Tape reader
HP-2761A Optical Mark Reader
Geek porn:
http://rikers.org/gallery/hardware
I'd trade it all for a functional HP-2114B :) I loved the touch
sensitive switched on that model. I'm in SLC Utah if anyone wants to see
any of this.
There are two ways of managing your list subscriptions.
You can use the web interface at:
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For those of you who wish to use email, send a message to
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Some email commands (put the command in the subject):
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We'll sort out an updated FAQ real soon now.
--
Lawrence Wilkinson lawrence at ljw.me.uk
The IBM 360/30 page http://www.ljw.me.uk/ibm360
I was referred by Jon Johnston at http://www.hpmuseum.net/. he had mentioned this group would be able to assist in sourcing complete AS400 servers with CRTs to some collectors that maybe interested. I would like a museum to have them for their collection or a collector that would use them as functional servers. You can contact me via e-mail or cell 760-703-0986
Thanks for your time
Matt
Sent from my iPad
I'm working on a project relating to the IBM RT, where the original vendor distribution is not available (or hasn't been un-lost yet, and the "supported" release is X11R2 anyway). Do any of the much esteemed list members have in their posession a distribution of the X11R3 source? Preferrably one contemporary to the period when it would have actually been in use?
I have the source generously provided by X.org, but it seems a bit poorly curated and I'm not sure of its actual provenance. There are more than a few files which have much newer modification times than I would expect, and very few of the IBM-provided source patches for bug fixes (which I do have) will apply. In some cases the code is not even remotely similar. So... since I've run into trouble with the X server built from this source, I'm looking for a second opinion in the form of an X11R3 source distribution that has a known provenance.
Apparently there were also >700k of patches for X11R3 that MIT provided on the RT, which are mentioned in an IBM TSB. Of course now those published sources are no longer active, and I have no way of knowing whether they're already applied to the X11R3 source at X.org. From the IBM TSB:
--begin quote--
"Note that X11 release 3 distribution and the improvements made since
the release of X11r3 for the IBM RT are NOT AVAILABLE from either
the host ibmsupt, IBM's Advanced Workstations Division (Palo Alto),
or the ACSC. These are only availble directly from MIT, or other
locations on the Internet as described below.
The latest IBM/4.3 code (patches, etc.) is available via anonymous ftp
>from expo.lcs.mit.edu, the file name is:
contrib/ibm-rt.r3-fixes.tar.Z
The size of this file it is about 730k. The Scheifler et al announcement
follows.
--end quote--
If anybody knows of an archive where a copy of those patches might be found, that would be tremendous. So far I've come up empty-handed. Everything at MIT I've found is X11R4 or newer. Everybody seems to have been in a big rush to forget the older versions (possibly I could not blame them for that).
Anyone? X11R3 source and/or RT patches? Thanks!
ok
bear.
--
until further notice
Ahhh nice to have the lust back!
About a year ago I "rescued" a whole rack of these modems off the side of
the street. Unfortunately, they do not come with ANY documentation and my
Google fu has so far determined that they are most likely for leased lines
only.
Does anyone have any info or familiarity with this modem? I know some other
IBM LL modems could work over PTSN but had to be set in the right mode. Can
this be done for these modems? Also does anyone know if these modems will
accept standard Hayes AT commands? Or just the IBM command set? Which brings
me to my next question what is the IBM command set?
Any documentation or guidance is very much appreciated. I would love to get
these guys up and running!
-Ali
Every post I make to the general list results in a reply from 'cctech
owner' explaining that my post is being held for moderation. I'm not
sending my mails to that list, nor have I ever been a subscriber.
Anyone else having this issue?
I don't know why but I'd always heard or thought that the Apple LCD was ultra rare unobtainium. ?I remember years ago fights over them going into $1000+. ? Maybe turned ?out to not be so rare?
Sent from my Samsung device
-------- Original message --------
From: Barry Callahan <barryc at rjlsystems.com>
Date: 11-03-2014 7:01 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: General at classiccmp.org, "Discussion at classiccmp.org:On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Apple IIC w LCD
On 11/3/2014 9:02 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/161466431402
>
> I'm surprised this only went for $300. Are they not that rare?
>
Well, most IIc's that have sold on ebay recently have gone for $40-50...
This Apple-branded flat-panel display recently went for $355, with box.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/171424543003
Sorry, forgot to add this. The documentation for the Osborne Vixen is at:
http://nerp.net/~legendre/osborne/
Schematic for the Zenith display is on p.2 of the schematic (schem) .pdf
I've seen quite a few sell on eBay over the last 10 years or so of casual watching. They're rare, but not beyond obtainability.
________________________________________
From: cctalk [cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] on behalf of Al Kossow [aek at bitsavers.org]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 6:02 AM
To: General at classiccmp.org; On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Apple IIC w LCD
http://www.ebay.com/itm/161466431402
I'm surprised this only went for $300. Are they not that rare?
> From: Nigel Williams
> I have some Emulex SD590 drives which require a controller like the DEC
> KDA50-Q (M7164+M7165) or KDA50-QA.
Can one really plug such drives into an Standard Disk Interconnect directly,
or is the interface standard merely 'close'? (I don't know, merely raising
the question.)
> the KDA50-Q has a rather bad (show-stopper) bug that was fixed in later
> revisions, detailed here:
I'm not sure that's a fatal issue; maybe it just causes the controller to have
to re-read that last block? One could certainly write a hack work-around (re-read,
extending the transfer size one block).
> I need either revision D1 or D2 of the M7164 module. What should I be
> looking for on the board that would indicate it has had the FCO
> applied?
Generally DEC indicates the ECO level by a stamp or something similar on the
module handle(s) on the back side.
I looked at a couple of M7164/M7165 board pairs which I have (which seem to
date, from the date codes on the ICs, to the '87-'88 timeframe - the ECO seems
to be Apr '84); the M7165's were both B14, and the M7164's were F4 and J04 (I
think - that was on a sticker in the right place, and I don't see anything
else).
> joined with the 40-pin and 50-pin cables) along with the cab-kit up for
> sale
The two short cables are pretty generic, from what I can see. Ground plane
backing, but other than that, stock 40- and 50-pin flat cables. Those should
be easy to make.
The bigger issue is the cab-kit, which is almost unobtanium. There's a guy on
eBay selling a bunch of NOS UDA50 board sets, which include a cab-kit, which
is, I'm pretty sure, the same as the KDA50's - alas, the KDA50 User's Guide
doesn't give the part number, so I can't be positive (the UDA-50 one is
70-18455-6K). Alas, he wants a ton of money...
> Thanks Jay for getting cctalk back online, well done!
Ditto!
Noel
>
> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 15:22:28 +1100
> From: Nigel Williams <nw at retroComputingTasmania.com>
> Subject: FCO for KDA50-Q?
>
> I have some Emulex SD590 drives which require a controller like the
> DEC KDA50-Q (M7164+M7165) or KDA50-QA.
>
> I found a KDA50-Q controller on eBay, but also discovered that the
> KDA50-Q has a rather bad (show-stopper) bug that was fixed in later
> revisions, detailed here:
>
> http://deathrow.vistech.net/~cvisors/DEC94MDS/kda50dol.txt
>
> >From that description I understand I need either revision D1 or D2 of
> the M7164 module. What should I be looking for on the board that would
> indicate it has had the FCO applied? is it an option to re-program the
> 6 PROMs that appear to be involved?
>
> Alternatively, if anyone has the two board set (M7164 and M7165 joined
> with the 40-pin and 50-pin cables) along with the cab-kit up for sale
> I would be interested in discussing further.
>
Nigel, I have a KDA50 board set that I plan to install in an 11/83.
Unfortunately mine has the E101-E106 PROMs 23-078F6, 23-079F6, 23-080F6,
23-081F6, 23-082F6, 23-083F6.
I am interested to find out how to implement the FCO.
--
Michael Thompson
Hello !
Vintage workstations and servers for sale/auction
in Slovenia, Europe. Below is the list of hardware,
if you are interested, please read the details
regarding the sale terms at the end of the list.
For anything else you wish to know, please direct
all questions regarding equipment to E-mail
janprunk-at-gmail.com and not to the mailing list.
3 x HP 712
1 x Switch Hubstack JEHI-24
1 x Power Macintosh 7500/100
2 x SUN Sparcstation 4
1 x HP 9000 PC-308 (XT)
1 x Digital DEC 3000
1 x HP Terminal (monitor) 700/96
1 x Digital DEC 2000
1 x HP 9000 E35
STATUS OF THE EQUIPMENT :
Equipment is being sold AS IS, meaning there is no
facility to test it ! Computers should be in a working
condition, some were even used by me personally,
but consider them being sold as a DEFECT, due to its age,
limited skills and lack of my time to exclude warranty terms.
I am able and willing to provide the photos of the exterior,
but please don't ask me to open up the machines to photograph
the interior or components, boot up the OS, test the condition
etc. I can provide exact model and serial number if that will be
helpfull to you. Some computers come with the original hard
drive inside and some don't.
AUCTION:
You are welcome to bid prices for this equipment.
To limit the sale to serious bidders, I will only consider
bids above 100 EUR per computer, if there are more
bids for the same computer I will consider the highest
offer. I haven't placed the equipment on EBAY at this
time, because that would make me obligated to ship
the computers even with a 1 EUR bidding win price and that
would just mean too much work and no pay for me.
PAYMENT:
I am able to accept bank wire as a preferred method,
cash or cheque, cryptocurrencies, such as Bitcoin but
I am unhappy to accept Paypal due to its refundment
policy which always sticks with the buyer.
SHIPPING:
I would prefer if you can do local pickup, however
that might not be possible for people who don't live near
Slovenia. I am willing to ship the equipment by mail,
but be advised that Slovenia foreign parcel shipping is
very expenssive so it wouldn't cost less than 80 EUR to
ship the computer across Europe, due to its weight and
dimensions. Shipping outside Europe would probably even
double the amount, but if you are a serious collector
I will also consider that option if you are willing to
pay for shipping. I might have the accessories for
computers - keyboards, cabling ... but consider the
workstations being sold without that, as shipping
the workstation + keyboard can be a problem, due to
different dimensions and it would need to be packaged
into two separate packages, therefore doubling the
shipping costs aswell.
ADDITIONALS:
Keep in mind that bids below 100 EUR would just mean
too much work for me to organise the shipment so I would
rather not deal with it. I hope that the computers can
find a new home with some other collector. For anything
else you wish to know, please direct all questions
regarding equipment to E-mail janprunk-at-gmail.com
and not to the mailing list.
I wish you all a happy bidding !
Kind regards,
Jan Prunk
PGP Pubkey http://prunk.si/0x00E80E86.asc
Thanks for getting the list going again.
Probably not a big deal, but the 'Sender' header now has quotes around the string 'cctalk' and required a slight tweak to my procmail rules.
Steve
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