- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by anders＠abc80.net

> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 01:04:48 +0100 > From: shadoooo <shadoooo at gmail.com> > To: cctech at classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: VAX 11/730 Documentation > Message-ID: <54600120.9080902 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hello, > > > I haven't booted my machine up yet, because it hasn't been able to > read any of its console tapes. > > I have too a lot of tapes, complete and uncomplete sets of software > installation tapes, > plus two/three console versions and some with unknown content. > The problem is, many of them suffer from sticky rubber on tape (if you > try to move the rubber leader, > it will create blank spots on tape, removing the magnetic oxide > substrate). > Other have a broken band. I read somewhere around, it is possible to > detach the rubber band using hot air, > and replace it with some sort of PVC strings. I would need a lot of time > to try something... but the bigger problem is not this... > I don't have a TU58 to be used on the desk to try to read the tapes, and > even better to assembl?e a new firmware allowing to format > blank tapes. > I'm trying to buy some piece of hardware since a lot of time... no luck > so far. > > If anybody has a TU58, or parts, please let me know. > > Andrea I got the machine inside yesterday and started to look it through. Have also problem with the TU58's. The rubber wheels are just goo. I have a lot of tapes, ~30 of them. Don't know what they contain yet. /Anders

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Sun Cardcage Manual

by silent700＠gmail.com

I've been back at scanning the big pile of Sun binders lately and I'm down to the last box (that I can still find.) I've uploaded a few over the last 24 hrs but one may be worth calling attention to for early Sun fans, doc #813-2004-14, "Cardcage Slot Assignments and Backplane Configuration Procedures." I've seen a number of FAQ and help pages with charts pulled from various versions of this doc but not the whole thing. It covers various models of the Sun-2 through Sun-4 range. You can find it and the others here: http://chiclassiccomp.org/docs/index.php?dir=%2Fcomputing/Sun -j

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AS/400

by jon＠jonworld.com

Are there any AS/400 emulators out there? Alternately, any baby AS/400 systems in the Columbus, OH area? I'm asking for a friend. -- -Jon Jonathan Katz, Indianapolis, IN.

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Vintage UNIX computers/servers for SALE-auction

by janprunk＠gmail.com

Hello ! Vintage workstations and servers for sale/auction in Slovenia, Europe. Below is the list of hardware, if you are interested, please read the details regarding the sale terms at the end of the list. For anything else you wish to know, please direct all questions regarding equipment to E-mail janprunk-at-gmail.com and not to the mailing list. 3 x HP 712 1 x Switch Hubstack JEHI-24 1 x Power Macintosh 7500/100 2 x SUN Sparcstation 4 1 x HP 9000 PC-308 (XT) 1 x Digital DEC 3000 1 x HP Terminal (monitor) 700/96 1 x Digital DEC 2000 1 x HP 9000 E35 STATUS OF THE EQUIPMENT : Equipment is being sold AS IS, meaning there is no facility to test it ! Computers should be in a working condition, some were even used by me personally, but consider them being sold as a DEFECT, due to its age, limited skills and lack of my time to exclude warranty terms. I am able and willing to provide the photos of the exterior, but please don't ask me to open up the machines to photograph the interior or components, boot up the OS, test the condition etc. I can provide exact model and serial number if that will be helpfull to you. Some computers come with the original hard drive inside and some don't. AUCTION: You are welcome to bid prices for this equipment. To limit the sale to serious bidders, I will only consider bids above 100 EUR per computer, if there are more bids for the same computer I will consider the highest offer. I haven't placed the equipment on EBAY at this time, because that would make me obligated to ship the computers even with a 1 EUR bidding win price and that would just mean too much work and no pay for me. PAYMENT: I am able to accept bank wire as a preferred method, cash or cheque, cryptocurrencies, such as Bitcoin but I am unhappy to accept Paypal due to its refundment policy which always sticks with the buyer. SHIPPING: I would prefer if you can do local pickup, however that might not be possible for people who don't live near Slovenia. I am willing to ship the equipment by mail, but be advised that Slovenia foreign parcel shipping is very expenssive so it wouldn't cost less than 80 EUR to ship the computer across Europe, due to its weight and dimensions. Shipping outside Europe would probably even double the amount, but if you are a serious collector I will also consider that option if you are willing to pay for shipping. I might have the accessories for computers - keyboards, cabling ... but consider the workstations being sold without that, as shipping the workstation + keyboard can be a problem, due to different dimensions and it would need to be packaged into two separate packages, therefore doubling the shipping costs aswell. ADDITIONALS: Keep in mind that bids below 100 EUR would just mean too much work for me to organise the shipment so I would rather not deal with it. I hope that the computers can find a new home with some other collector. For anything else you wish to know, please direct all questions regarding equipment to E-mail janprunk-at-gmail.com and not to the mailing list. I wish you all a happy bidding ! Kind regards, Jan Prunk

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Vince Briel computers

by gkaufman＠the-planet.org

Has anyone been able to reach Vince Briel recently? I hope he's ok, as I've enjoyed his pocket-term and micro-kim kits. I ordered a Superboard III kit on August 25th. I was hoping to use it as a gift in early October! On 9/18 I heard back with "Hey Gary,I have a OSI 600 and I can say the Superboard III is really close to the exact same thing (little better video quality). I'll look for your order and see if I can't get it out shortly" And on October 13th "Hi Gary. Sorry ive been moving this week. Should be done in a day or two. My main pc went down but i should have it fixed this week. Still only have phone for internet." Nothing since, and no additional information on his forum or website.

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VAX 11/730 Documentation

by shadoooo＠gmail.com

Hello, I have a 730 too, with a bunch of documentation. Unfortunately, the system is stored in a friend's garage by now, and the documentation is all there too. But I could go there to seek if there's something interesting that is not on bitsavers yet. Anyway, thanks for your contribution! Andrea

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VAX 11/730 Documentation

by anders＠abc80.net

Hi, I picked up a VAX 11/730 earlier this week. Got some documentation along with it that I couldn't find on the net. Decided to share. First out R80 Disk drive manual. Hope it will find it's way to bitsavers. http://www.abc80.net/docs/DEC/vax/11-730/EK-00R80-UG-001-R80_Disk_Drive_Use… Enjoy! /Anders

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PDP-11/23 Debugging

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Noel Chiappa > I also discovered and repaired at least two cold-solder joints (one was > one of the pins for W1, the master clock control - the pin was actually > loose when I wiggled it). So it turns out that loose wire-wrap pins seem to be a systemic problem on 11/23's. I just discovered _3_ more on one single 11/23 board - two of them the pins for the master clock! I put my finger-tip on them and wiggled, and they were loose. I'm not sure why it's the wire-wrap pins especially - maybe their physical size meant that they have larger thermal inertia, and so need a longer heat than the manufacturing process gave them, to bring them up to temp to prevent a cold solder joint? Anyway, if one has a flaky 11/23, that's definitely something to check. Noel

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PDP-11/23 Debugging

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Pete Turnbull > I didn't think Noel was referring to backplane pins .. but to the > various jumper pins on the 11/23 PCB itself. .. Noel? Correct. Noel

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PDP-11/23 Debugging

by bensinc＠gmail.com

I've been working on getting a PDP-11/23 running for a while now, with various amounts of success! I had it in a state where I could boot XXDP from a virtual TU-58 and everything seemed to work pretty well. I then got ambitious and got an RL02 and an RLV11 (M8013+M8014), and last night I tried to get the RLV11 to pass the unconnected diagnostics that just test the controller. I tinkered with it for a while, but never got it to work. Then, in between trying a few things (but without touching the hardware), the machine seemed to get very flaky. Right now I can still boot an XXDP tape image, but as soon as I try to do anything it dumps me back to ODT: NOT ENOUGH MEMORY TO BOOT XXDP-XM BOOTING UP XXDP-SM SMALL MONITOR XXDP-SM SMALL MONITOR - XXDP V2.6 REVISION: E0 BOOTED FROM DD0 28KW OF MEMORY NON-UNIBUS SYSTEM RESTART ADDRESS: 152010 TYPE "H" FOR HELP . 150674 @ I tried removing the RLV11 boards, returning the machine to it's former state, but I have the same issue. I'm pretty new to all of this and always have trouble figuring out what the next debugging step should be. My machine is a PDP-11/23 with a H9273 backplane. I have, in this order >from the top: M8186, M8043, M8044DF, and an M8012 at the bottom. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks! -- Ben Sinclair ben at bensinclair.com

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WANTED: Sharkware Professional 2.0 for Windows

by sellam＠vintagetech.com

Is it possible that anyone has a copy of Sharkware Professional 2.0 for Windows and would like to sell it? If so, please contact me directly. Thanks! -- Sellam ibn Abraham VintageTech ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintagetech.com Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. The truth is always simple. * * * NOTICE * * * Due to the insecure nature of the medium over which this message has been transmitted, no statement made in this writing may be considered reliable for any purpose either express or implied. The contents of this message are appropriate for entertainment and/or informational purposes only. The right of the people to be secure in their papers against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated.

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No messages?

by woyciesjes＠sbcglobal.net

I've haven't gotten any ClassicCMP mail in days. Peeking at the archives, it seems the server fell over, but that was fixed... But I'm still not getting mail... -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- CompTIA A+ Certified IT Tech - http://certification.comptia.org/ --- HDI Certified Support Center Analyst - http://www.ThinkHDI.com/ Registered Linux user number 464583 "Computers have lots of memory but no imagination." "The problem with troubleshooting is that trouble shoots back." - from some guy on the internet.

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list issues & status

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

As I suspected and alluded to before, there are issues with the list(s) that were pretty much expected (loss of previous settings of digest mode, as well as cross posting resulting in duplicates, and in some cases posts showing up as attachments). Yes, I am aware of these issues. I just received a post from a listmember about their "patience wearing thin". To that list member, I suggest you unsubscribe completely from both lists permanently. Obviously we're not the best choice for them. My patience is not wearing thin just yet. If yours is. please leave. Given that the list(s) are at least semi-functional, albeit with some issues, I switched gears and have been working to get the websites and other services migrated from the old server to the new server, and am almost complete with that. Should have the last website migrated by Friday as well as a few changes that are needed on the main bitsavers repository. After that, I'll start digging into the remaining issues with list functionality and then finally we'll start dealing with getting the archives imported (along with bits that have been missing for a while). Thanks so much for all your patience folks, we'll get there. Best, J

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Nuclear Data, anyone?

by mattislind＠gmail.com

Someone found a number of paper tapes in a dumpster outside a building at University of Lund. They all had a sticker indicating Nuclear Data Inc. I received them and read them. Hopefully they read OK. Some of the tapes had been slightly damaged by water. ND41-1061-00_EXTENDED_PUSHBUTTON_OVERLAY_FOR_4410_PYSICS_ANAL_VERSION_A.bin ND41-1062-00_EXTENDED_PUSHBUTTON_HL_SPEED_READ_PUNCH_IO_FOR_4410_PHYSICS_VERSION_A.bin ND41-1076-01_PART4C_ND4420_SINGLE_PARAMETER_MONITOR_CASSETTE_OVERLAY_FOR_PRINT_LOADER_SHOULD_BE_IN_FIELD_1.bin ND41-1076-02_PART1_ND4420_SINGLE_PARAMETER_MONITOR_DO_NOT_LOAD_FROM_FIELD0.bin ND41-1076-02_PART2_ND4420_SINGLE_PARAMETER_MONITOR_DO_NOT_LOAD_FROM_FILED_0.bin ND41-1076-02_PART3_ND4420_SINGLE_PARAMETER_MONITOR_DO_NOT_LOAD_FROM_FIELD0.bin ND41-1076-02_PART4B_ND4420_SINGLE_PARAMETER_MONITOR_HIGH_SPEED_MAG_TAPE_OVERLAY_DO_NOT_LOAD_FROM_FIELD_0.bin ND41-1085-00_X-RAY_FUNCTIONS_OVERLAY_FOR_ND4410_LOADER_MUST_BE_IN_FIELD_1.bin ND41-1101-02-FLOATING_POINT_PACKAGE_MODIFIED_FOR_41-1060_SAN.A._.bin ND41-1102-03_MULTI_FIELD_FLOATING_POINT_CONTROL_FOR_41-1060.bin ND41-1104-00_EXTENDED_IO_OVERLAY_FOR_4410_SINGLE_PARAMETER_PHYSICS_ANALYZER_VERSION_A_8K_MEMORY_MINIMUM.bin ND41-1105-01_ND4410_BLOCK_FORMAT_CASSETTE_IO_OVERLAY_FOR_41-1060.bin ND41-1108-00_ND4410_PEAK_EXTRACTION_OVERLAY_WITH_PEAK_FIT_VERSION_A.bin ND41-5032-00_PEC_MAGNETIC_TAPE_COPIER-BLOCKED_FILES_VERSION.bin ND41-6012-00_ORCAL-6_16K_VERSION_SUPPORTS_HS_READER_AND_CASSETTE_SYSTEM.bin ND41_6001-02_ORCAL-2_8K_VERSION_LOW_SPEED_READER_ONLY.bin ORCAL6_8K_LC02_741016.bin Here is a picture of them: http://i.imgur.com/GEX7lmN.jpg Here is a tgz of all files (including a matching picture of tape itself) : https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/96935524/Datormusuem/NuclearData/Nuclea… Anyone interested in the actual tapes? Free for the cost of shipping.

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To unsubscribe...

by ljw-cctech＠ljw.me.uk

Send an email to cctalk-request at classiccmp.org or cctech-request at classiccmp.org with the subject as follows: (If you're not sure which list you're on, send it to both) To unsubscribe from the address you are mailing from: UNSUBSCRIBE This will send out a confirmation email To unsubscribe from a different address: UNSUSCRIBE mypassword ADDRESS=me at test.com To temporarily suspend delivery of messages: SET DELIVERY OFF (use ON to turn it back on again) To get a full list of commands (for digests etc.): HELP This will include a link to the web page for subscription administration, which may be a better option. -- Lawrence Wilkinson lawrence at ljw.me.uk The IBM 360/30 page http://www.ljw.me.uk/ibm360

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FW: TNMoC News - The winners of the 2014 Tony Sale Award for computer conservation

by dave.g4ugm＠gmail.com

I hope folks don't mind me forwarding this, but some interesting, if probably well know links. Dave G4UGM From: noreply at salesforce.com [mailto:noreply at salesforce.com] On Behalf Of Mike Kelly Sent: 07 November 2014 12:26 To: dave.g4ugm at gmail.com Subject: TNMoC News - The winners of the 2014 Tony Sale Award for computer conservation NEWS RELEASE from the Computer Conservation Society The winners of the 2014 Tony Sale Award for computer conservation are . a virtual 1930's mechanical computer and a restored industry-changing computer. 7 November 2014 The 2014 Tony Sale Award for computer conservation has been jointly awarded to two outstanding and contrasting entries representing computing in the 1930s and the late 1950s. The winners are the IBM 1401 Demo Lab, a restoration of one of the most significant machines in computer history by the Computer History Museum in California, and Z1 Architecture and Algorithms, a virtual reconstruction of the 1930's Konrad Zuse mechanical computer, by the Free University of Berlin. Run by the Computer Conservation Society and sponsored by Google UK, this is the second Tony Sale Award for computer conservation. The first was won in 2012 by Dr David Link for LoveLetters, a computer art installation that continues to tour the world. In announcing the 2014 winners, Martin Campbell-Kelly, computer historian and head of the judging panel, said: "The eight excellent entries for the 2014 Tony Sale Award from four different countries clearly demonstrates how computer conservation is flourishing more than 20 years after Tony Sale embarked on his pioneering and awe-inspiring reconstruction of a Colossus Mk II, a world-famous exhibit at The National Museum of Computing on Bletchley Park." The IBM 1401 Demo Lab is a classic reconstruction of a 50-year old commercial computer. It marked the transition of IBM as a supplier of accounting machines to it becoming the dominant supplier of the mainframe era. Announced in 1959, the IBM 1401's success took everyone by surprise. The company had expected to sell or lease about 1,000, but went on to deliver 15,000 and by the mid-1960s they amounted to half of the computers in the world. Its high-speed chain printer was a key to its success -- punched card machines were eagerly traded in for the IBM 1401 and business computing took a huge stride forward. In a project involving 20 volunteers over ten years, two 1401s have been restored at the Computer History Museum in Mountain View, California. The computers and the ancillary equipment including the famous 1403 chain printer are on permanent display and the working system is demonstrated twice a week. See <http://www.computerhistory.org/atchm/restoring-the-ibm-1401/> http://www.computerhistory.org/atchm/restoring-the-ibm-1401/ for more information about the project. The judging panel said: "The IBM Demo Lab is a flawless restoration of a machine that signalled a turning point in the computer industry and the use of computers in business." Z1 Architecture and Algorithms, the other joint-winner, is a virtual reconstruction of one of the world's earliest computers, the Z1. Originally built in 1936-38, the Z1 was destroyed in a bombing raid in 1943. In the 1980s and then in his 70s, Konrad Zuse embarked on a reconstruction of the Z1 which is now a remarkable but static exhibit at the Technology Museum in Berlin. However, with 30,000 parts the reconstruction of the mechanical computer was unlikely to be robust or reliable enough for regular operation, so a team led by Professor Raul Rojas began a virtual reconstruction with a technical description. Through the meticulous research of Professor Rojas, a team of his students was able to construct a 3D visual simulation of the arithmetic unit for deployment on the web. In addition, hundreds of high resolution photos of the Z1 enable web users to explore the machine from any angle at very high resolution. See <http://zuse-z1.zib.de/> http://zuse-z1.zib.de/ for the virtual reconstruction. The judging panel said "Z1 Architecture and Algorithms is a remarkable vision of how such complex artefacts might be delivered to a worldwide audience. It is a project that will undoubtedly give museum curators pause for thought." Rachel Burnett, Chair of the CCS, said "The late Tony Sale would have been delighted with the entries that we have had in the year of the silver jubilee of our Society that he co-founded with Doron Swade. "The computer conservation movement is dynamic and growing apace. Through the Tony Sale Award, we salute the computing pioneers of the past and the dedication of those today who breathe vibrant life into our incredible computing heritage." Notes to Editors 1 The Computer Conservation Society Established in 1989, the Computer Conservation Society (CCS) started as a joint venture between BCS, The Chartered Institute for IT, the Science Museum and later the Museum of Science and Industry in Manchester. In recent years The National Museum of Computing has become a key partner. 2 The CCS Judging panel Martin Campbell-Kelly, computer historian, was joined in the 2014 panel of judges by Chris Burton, engineer and computer conservationist , Nigel Sale, computer scientist and son of Tony Sale, and Doron Swade MBE, museum curator and author. 3 Links to other nominated entries for the 2014 Tony Sale Award The Analogue Computing Museum collection in Schwalbach, Germany. <http://www.analogmuseum.org> www.analogmuseum.org The Jim Austin Computer Collection in York, England. <http://www.computermuseum.org.uk> www.computermuseum.org.uk The restoration of 1970s DEC PDP computers at The Rhode Island Computer Museum (RICM), Rhode Island, USA. <http://www.ricomputermuseum.org> www.ricomputermuseum.org The PRS 4, a restoration of a 1973 Polish micro-computer at the Muzem Historii Komputerow i Informatyki (MHKI) in Katowice, Poland. <http://www.muzeumkomputerow.edu.pl> www.muzeumkomputerow.edu.pl The Technikum29 Computer History Museum collection in Frankfurt am Main, Germany. <http://www.technikum29.de> www.technikum29.de The WITCH-E project, a trans-Atlantic educational project, by David Anders. <http://www.elinux.org/WITCH> www.elinux.org/WITCH 4 About Tony Sale Tony Sale (1931-2011), in whose honour the computer conservation award has been established, is perhaps best known for leading the team that rebuilt Colossus, the world's first electronic computer. He was also a key figure in starting the campaign to save Bletchley Park in the early 1990s, he co-founded The National Museum of Computing and jointly established the Computer Conservation Society. Media Contact Stephen Fleming, Palam Communications, for the Computer Conservation Society +44 1635 299116 <mailto:s.fleming at palam.co.uk> s.fleming at palam.co.uk <http://na5.salesforce.com/servlet/servlet.ImageServer?oid=00D700000008oAg&e sid=0187000000WMvLw>

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cctalk Digest, Vol 1, Issue 16

by FRED＠MISER.MISERNET.NET

>From: IN%"cctalk at classiccmp.org" 5-NOV-2014 15:54:48.98 >To: IN%"cctalk at classiccmp.org" >CC: >Subj: cctalk Digest, Vol 1, Issue 16 >Message: 2 >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 14:26:55 -0500 >From: Charles Phillips <charles at uniwho.com> >Subject: Re: list issues & status >Message-ID: <15B1D053-9560-4850-B84C-7A2AE983B22E at uniwho.com> >anyone really hard core and still uses Elm? >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elm_(email_client) >:-) OK, I'll bite. Reading and replying with OpenVMS MAIL. :) Fred

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HP9810A alive again!

by mattislind＠gmail.com

After replacing a lot of dead National Semiconductor TTL ICs this nice little machine from 1972-1973 is running again. It works perfectly to do calculations and also to create programs. I also managed to both store and restore a program written onto a home made magnetic card. Home made since I wasn't able to find any. There are a few issues left: The belt in the card reader is slipping a bit so a replacement would probably be needed to get it working 100%. One segment in the display is dead. Anyway: Here is the writeup of the restoration: http://www.datormuseum.se/computers/hewlett-packard/hp9810a and here is a video-clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9rBoWvze48 Enjoy! /Mattis

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SET DIGEST

by cisin＠xenosoft.com

> SET DIGEST Ah, back in the classic days of computers, people didn't understand mailing lists, and sent their mailing list commands TO THE LIST. Are we going back to the way things used to be done?

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test message. do not read.

by knowak＠alumni.calpoly.edu

This is just a test. I seem to no longer be getting mail from this list

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Resubscribed - test

by woyciesjes＠sbcglobal.net

I know you won't ignore, even if I ask... :) -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- CompTIA A+ Certified IT Tech - http://certification.comptia.org/ --- HDI Certified Support Center Analyst - http://www.ThinkHDI.com/ Registered Linux user number 464583 "Computers have lots of memory but no imagination." "The problem with troubleshooting is that trouble shoots back." - from some guy on the internet.

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located hidden museum in the netherlands

by simski＠dds.nl

Hello all. today I visited a corporate owned computermuseum in our city of Arnhem, the Netherlands. you could touch an open some machines on display (others would require tools. :-) ) among them are a IBM 1401 with printer, tapedrives and terminal. some parts of a IBM 370/145, the console of a 360/30, several acounting machines, pdp8/e with two cabinets full of extra flip chips, card sorters, punches, collimators. all in all nice stuff. unfortunately they are not open to the general public. :-( pictures: https://hack42.nl/gallery/v/Museum/exciting/ -- Met vriendelijke Groet, Simon Claessen hack42.nl

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confirm 8881369b2e807aa8e95b8bdf8e596363ed452934

by ams＠gnu.org

Hmm? These mailing list issues are starting to get out of hand ... Your membership in the mailing list cctalk has been disabled due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 06-Nov-2014. You will not get any more messages from this list until you re-enable your membership. You will receive 3 more reminders like this before your membership in the list is deleted.

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OT: reply-to munging

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Oh hell. I sure didn't mean to open up that can of worms (the every year or so debate on if replies should be to the list or to the poster). But since it HAS been brought up.... Background for short-timers: There is a recurring debate every year or so as to the reply-to headers setting on the list. The way it works now, when the list sends out list traffic/posts to each of you, it "munges" the reply-to header so that when you hit "reply" to a list post, the reply goes to the list. If you want to just reply to the poster directly (off-list), you have to go through gyrations like hitting forward and typing in the senders email address. Taking off my list owner hat... the following is my own personal opinion on the topic which shall not be dictated upon the rest: I think that's insane, not to mention that I suspect it violates some RFC's and breaks the good intentions/functionality of most MUA's. But regardless.... if the list was set the other (the normal) way... when you get a post you hit reply to reply directly (and only) to the original poster and if you want it to go to the entire list - you hit "reply all". I mean, come on - that's why mail clients HAVE a reply vs. "reply all" button. The only argument I've heard that is vaguely cogent for the current method, is that people will often hit reply with a golden nugget of information and the rest of the list will miss out on that. The argument on the other side of the fence is that having it set the way it currently is causes people to very often post things to the list that were meant to be private. I am of the opinion that the reply-to should be set to the poster, not the list, and let people use their MUA the way it was intended. That being said, I'll defer to whatever the majority of folks wish. On the other hand, this list is mainly frequented by Grumpy Old Men aka Curmudgeons - of which I am most certainly one - and changing this well-entrenched behavior is likely to start a religious war which I want no part of :) <troll>So how bout that 10-year rule?</troll> ;) J

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VCF East X keynotes announced

by evan＠snarc.net

VCF East 10 -- aka "VCFeX" is almost six months away (April 17-19, at our museum in Wall, New Jersey). But the planning is in top gear! I'm very happy to announce that our keynote speakers will be Dr. Dr. Ted Nelson (Saturday -- he has two doctoral degrees) and Bob Frankston (Sunday). The event web site is just beginning to get populated, so please pardon the lack of details for now: vintage.org/2015/east/ .... we're also social at facebook.com/vcfeast and we just joined Twitter.com a few minutes ago @vcfeast. New for 2015: more technical classes on Friday; longer exhibit hall hours Saturday and Sunday.

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SET DIGEST

by shawn-gordon＠cox.net

never set a password. usually you can send an email to change your settings. I haven't used Mailman in ages. On 11/4/2014 7:06 PM, Evan Koblentz wrote: > >> I don't know where the directions are to get back to digest mode > > Edit your subscription at > http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/options/cctalk. >

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Multiple copies of messages

by tpresence＠hotmail.com

It appears I'm receiving multiple copies of many messages, but not for every post. Any way to remediate this without an unsubscribe? Kevin

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Moderation

by robert.jarratt＠ntlworld.com

Slightly confused as I posted something this morning to cctalk and I got back a message saying my post was awaiting moderation for cctech. I can sort of understand in that I didn't post to cctech, but neither did my post appear on cctalk. Something may not be quite right... Hope this one makes it :-) Regards Rob

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Mailing list issues (was: Whitesmith C install)

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> I used to get this list in digest format which was nice. It seems like > this setting has been reset for everyone. Jay made it quite clear that they had totally lost the mailing list configuration, and that they had to re-create the list of subscribers by looking through out-going mailing logs, which would only give them addresses (at least, from simple processing). In other words, all the configuration info had been lost, and people would have to reset things. Now, can we get back to technolgy? Noel

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Multiple copies of messages

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Peter Corlett > Go on, try to unsubscribe from cctech. I did, and it told me I wasn't > subscribed You ought to grovel through the headers in the incoming email for 'Received' lines; you might be subscribed via a different email address from the one you tried to unsubscribe. Noel

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Cartridge Cases

by tlindner＠macmess.org

I recently made a short video about some Color Computer cartridge cases I made: http://youtu.be/OdSOUcd60Ok Enjoy! -- -- tim lindner

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Failed H7864 PSU

by robert.jarratt＠ntlworld.com

A little while ago I posted about a H7864 PSU (from an rtVAX 1000) that had failed on me with a loud pop and no apparent physical damage. I discovered which component has failed and it is a large transistor, Q301, but I have yet to find out why it failed. To help, I have been working out the schematic for the area of the PSU that failed, which is labelled Primary Control Module, and situated after the rectifier and before a large transformer that appears to isolate the following stages of the PSU. The aim is of course to use the schematic to attempt to work out the cause of the failure and repair that too before it blows up the replacement transistor or damages some other part(s). The schematic is here: http://1drv.ms/1yBzYTN (png) or here: http://1drv.ms/1xFXUnR (Eagle schematic). I may not have drawn it logically, and may have some bits wrong, as it is quite difficult to derive the schematic and it is easy to make mistakes. I don?t know how to identify zener diodes, so all diodes are drawn as ordinary ones. I was also unable to draw the transformers correctly as I don't know their spec and pinout. I have found some of the capacitors in the circuit to have a high-ish ESR. C407 in particular has a high ESR, C404 has a high-ish ESR, and C303 needs re-forming but I don?t yet have equipment that can produce a high enough DC voltage (should be able to do this in a few days time). My plan is to replace all three of these. Whether these would cause Q301 to pop I don?t know, what do people think? There are also some heat marks around D408 and possibly R415 (both seem to test OK). Are there any other bits of the circuit that I should check that might cause Q301 to pop? Any advice really appreciated! Thanks Rob

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working?

by useddec＠gmail.com

I just got my first message in about a week. Just me or have there been Problems?

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SET DIGEST

by shawn-gordon＠cox.net

usually there are instructions in the footer of each msg. I *was* on digest till the revamp and now I'm getting way more email than I want and I don't know where the directions are to get back to digest mode. I missed whatever email exchange this was. On 11/4/2014 5:31 PM, Jim Carpenter wrote: > On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Fred Cisin<cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote: > >>> SET DIGEST >>> >> Ah, back in the classic days of computers, people didn't understand >> mailing lists, and sent their mailing list commands TO THE LIST. >> >> Are we going back to the way things used to be done? >> >> > On nearly every mailing list I belong to the first SET DIGEST or > UNSUBSCRIBE command that goes out on the list *always* sets off a > storm of requests from other people. :( > > Jim > >

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Anyone still playing with HP 1000/2000 minis?

by Tim＠Rikers.org

On 10/11/2014 04:06 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote: > On 2014-Oct-11, at 1:57 AM, Rik Bos wrote: > >>>> Just noticed recently that the source from 1970 for the single-user HP BASIC >>> has appeared on bitsavers (thanks Al), so working on getting that going now. >>> Nice to have some period software for the machine. Direct link? >>> That was OCR'd from a listing that purchased from HP in 1971 so that I could >>> hack on the BASIC interpreter that was running on the 2114 at my high school. Same source? Got a link? >> Probably Educational Basic HP24160A, there was a special configuration of >> the HP 2114A/B combined with the HP 2748A paper tape reader and a HP 2760A >> optical mark card reader and a HP 2752A Teleprinter delivered to schools and >> Universities. >> The whole combination without the Teleprinter was built in a 19"cabinet with >> a small drawer at the top, it's purpose was to learn children and students >> Basic. >> The Educational basic differs from stand-alone HP 24000A Basic, it can read >> a special kind of marked cards (HP 02760-9051) with basic commands on it. > > Haven't seen any mention or support for the card reader in either the interpreter or the PBS (Prepare Basic System) device configuration .. seems to be the standard version. > > I remember the special BASIC mark-sense cards from the 9830 + 9869A/7261A card reader at the high school I went to. Penfield High, NY where I attended, had a 19" cabinet with an HP-2114B (B?) and a ASR-33 console. There was also an HP-2761A Optical Mark reader, and I'm not sure the printer. At the time I used it, there were 4 "consoles" running and time slicing was done on each line of basic. The card reader was one input, and the printer was the output. The ASR-33 was the only interactive terminal the previous year, but new this year were two crt serial terminals. They were not the HP branded terminals. There was a paper tape punch and a reader. The punch was disconnected and sitting over on a shelf. As I recall there was a dual 8" floppy drive inside the cabinet. There was no login on the terminals. Files starting with an exclamation point where invisible to directory listings. I've not found a time-shared basic that matched this type of configuration. Dick Stover (now deceased) was the systems operator for a number of different schools in upstate New York that ran similar setups. Is the HP24160A you mention a software system? or the bundling of specific hardware? both? Is the BASIC multi-user? There was a grading program in the system that, as I recall, was triggered by a CALL -151 command in basic. Thus a teacher would include the magic card that triggered the app, then include a card marked with the correct answers, then as many cards to be graded as they liked. I don't recall how this was ended. Might have been a special end card. The printer would then print a grade report for each card. All other processing on the other "consoles" would halt until the grading was complete. Then the BASIC time slicing would resume where it left off. I have some partial source listings from back then of the D&D program we were working on. It used a number of "chained" programs to do: map generation, map navigation, battle encounters, inventory management, etc. We had functions to pack and unpack date into floats as I don't recall the BASIC supporting direct integers. I'd be very interested in any source that might be this version of BASIC. I've looked at the Montana State University basic, but this does not look like what I recall. Sources for some of this up on my site: http://rikers.org/hp2100/ check out the "msu" directory. I have: HP-2116A (non-functional, yes, that's an A, not a B or a C) HP-2100A (not powered up) HP-2108A (functional) HP-2112A (functional) HP-7900 (broken chassis) HP-7901 * 2 (never powered up) HP-2748B Paper Tape reader HP-2761A Optical Mark Reader Geek porn: http://rikers.org/gallery/hardware I'd trade it all for a functional HP-2114B :) I loved the touch sensitive switched on that model. I'm in SLC Utah if anyone wants to see any of this.

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List commands for digest, unsubscribe etc.

by ljw-cctech＠ljw.me.uk

There are two ways of managing your list subscriptions. You can use the web interface at: http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/options/cctalk or http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/options/cctech which allows you to log in using your email (*the one you're subscribed on*) and a password, which it can mail to you if required. For those of you who wish to use email, send a message to cctalk-request at classiccmp.org or cctech-request at classiccmp.org with the subject line HELP and you will get a command summary in return. The message body can be blank. Some email commands (put the command in the subject): UNSUBSCRIBE (this will send you a confirmation mail) SET DIGEST PLAIN SET DIGEST MIME SET DIGEST OFF Mailman: http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/mailman-member.html We'll sort out an updated FAQ real soon now. -- Lawrence Wilkinson lawrence at ljw.me.uk The IBM 360/30 page http://www.ljw.me.uk/ibm360

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Test, ignore....

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

I guess J. R. "Bob" Dobbs' statistical insights were right... Noel

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Test, ignore....

by evan＠snarc.net

...Just seeing if I'm successfully back on the list.

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HP systems AS400

by mstaunton＠roadrunner.com

I was referred by Jon Johnston at http://www.hpmuseum.net/. he had mentioned this group would be able to assist in sourcing complete AS400 servers with CRTs to some collectors that maybe interested. I would like a museum to have them for their collection or a collector that would use them as functional servers. You can contact me via e-mail or cell 760-703-0986 Thanks for your time Matt Sent from my iPad

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X11R3 source, patches for IBM RT?

by bear＠typewritten.org

I'm working on a project relating to the IBM RT, where the original vendor distribution is not available (or hasn't been un-lost yet, and the "supported" release is X11R2 anyway). Do any of the much esteemed list members have in their posession a distribution of the X11R3 source? Preferrably one contemporary to the period when it would have actually been in use? I have the source generously provided by X.org, but it seems a bit poorly curated and I'm not sure of its actual provenance. There are more than a few files which have much newer modification times than I would expect, and very few of the IBM-provided source patches for bug fixes (which I do have) will apply. In some cases the code is not even remotely similar. So... since I've run into trouble with the X server built from this source, I'm looking for a second opinion in the form of an X11R3 source distribution that has a known provenance. Apparently there were also >700k of patches for X11R3 that MIT provided on the RT, which are mentioned in an IBM TSB. Of course now those published sources are no longer active, and I have no way of knowing whether they're already applied to the X11R3 source at X.org. From the IBM TSB: --begin quote-- "Note that X11 release 3 distribution and the improvements made since the release of X11r3 for the IBM RT are NOT AVAILABLE from either the host ibmsupt, IBM's Advanced Workstations Division (Palo Alto), or the ACSC. These are only availble directly from MIT, or other locations on the Internet as described below. The latest IBM/4.3 code (patches, etc.) is available via anonymous ftp >from expo.lcs.mit.edu, the file name is: contrib/ibm-rt.r3-fixes.tar.Z The size of this file it is about 730k. The Scheifler et al announcement follows. --end quote-- If anybody knows of an archive where a copy of those patches might be found, that would be tremendous. So far I've come up empty-handed. Everything at MIT I've found is X11R4 or newer. Everybody seems to have been in a big rush to forget the older versions (possibly I could not blame them for that). Anyone? X11R3 source and/or RT patches? Thanks! ok bear. -- until further notice

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IBM 7868-047 Modems

by cctalk＠fahimi.net

Ahhh nice to have the lust back! About a year ago I "rescued" a whole rack of these modems off the side of the street. Unfortunately, they do not come with ANY documentation and my Google fu has so far determined that they are most likely for leased lines only. Does anyone have any info or familiarity with this modem? I know some other IBM LL modems could work over PTSN but had to be set in the right mode. Can this be done for these modems? Also does anyone know if these modems will accept standard Hayes AT commands? Or just the IBM command set? Which brings me to my next question what is the IBM command set? Any documentation or guidance is very much appreciated. I would love to get these guys up and running! -Ali

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Why am I getting mod approval messages from cctech?

by drlegendre＠gmail.com

Every post I make to the general list results in a reply from 'cctech owner' explaining that my post is being held for moderation. I'm not sending my mails to that list, nor have I ever been a subscriber. Anyone else having this issue?

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Apple IIC w LCD

by brad＠bettercomputing.net

I don't know why but I'd always heard or thought that the Apple LCD was ultra rare unobtainium. ?I remember years ago fights over them going into $1000+. ? Maybe turned ?out to not be so rare? Sent from my Samsung device -------- Original message -------- From: Barry Callahan <barryc at rjlsystems.com> Date: 11-03-2014 7:01 AM (GMT-08:00) To: General at classiccmp.org, "Discussion at classiccmp.org:On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Apple IIC w LCD On 11/3/2014 9:02 AM, Al Kossow wrote: > http://www.ebay.com/itm/161466431402 > > I'm surprised this only went for $300. Are they not that rare? > Well, most IIc's that have sold on ebay recently have gone for $40-50... This Apple-branded flat-panel display recently went for $355, with box. http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/171424543003

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Documentation for the Osborne Vixen / Zenith display issue

by drlegendre＠gmail.com

Sorry, forgot to add this. The documentation for the Osborne Vixen is at: http://nerp.net/~legendre/osborne/ Schematic for the Zenith display is on p.2 of the schematic (schem) .pdf

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Apple IIC w LCD

by BHuntsman＠mail2.cu-portland.edu

I've seen quite a few sell on eBay over the last 10 years or so of casual watching. They're rare, but not beyond obtainability. ________________________________________ From: cctalk [cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] on behalf of Al Kossow [aek at bitsavers.org] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 6:02 AM To: General at classiccmp.org; On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Apple IIC w LCD http://www.ebay.com/itm/161466431402 I'm surprised this only went for $300. Are they not that rare?

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Apple IIC w LCD

by aek＠bitsavers.org

http://www.ebay.com/itm/161466431402 I'm surprised this only went for $300. Are they not that rare?

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FCO for KDA50-Q?

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Nigel Williams > I have some Emulex SD590 drives which require a controller like the DEC > KDA50-Q (M7164+M7165) or KDA50-QA. Can one really plug such drives into an Standard Disk Interconnect directly, or is the interface standard merely 'close'? (I don't know, merely raising the question.) > the KDA50-Q has a rather bad (show-stopper) bug that was fixed in later > revisions, detailed here: I'm not sure that's a fatal issue; maybe it just causes the controller to have to re-read that last block? One could certainly write a hack work-around (re-read, extending the transfer size one block). > I need either revision D1 or D2 of the M7164 module. What should I be > looking for on the board that would indicate it has had the FCO > applied? Generally DEC indicates the ECO level by a stamp or something similar on the module handle(s) on the back side. I looked at a couple of M7164/M7165 board pairs which I have (which seem to date, from the date codes on the ICs, to the '87-'88 timeframe - the ECO seems to be Apr '84); the M7165's were both B14, and the M7164's were F4 and J04 (I think - that was on a sticker in the right place, and I don't see anything else). > joined with the 40-pin and 50-pin cables) along with the cab-kit up for > sale The two short cables are pretty generic, from what I can see. Ground plane backing, but other than that, stock 40- and 50-pin flat cables. Those should be easy to make. The bigger issue is the cab-kit, which is almost unobtanium. There's a guy on eBay selling a bunch of NOS UDA50 board sets, which include a cab-kit, which is, I'm pretty sure, the same as the KDA50's - alas, the KDA50 User's Guide doesn't give the part number, so I can't be positive (the UDA-50 one is 70-18455-6K). Alas, he wants a ton of money... > Thanks Jay for getting cctalk back online, well done! Ditto! Noel

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cctalk Digest, Vol 1, Issue 4

by michael.99.thompson＠gmail.com

> > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 15:22:28 +1100 > From: Nigel Williams <nw at retroComputingTasmania.com> > Subject: FCO for KDA50-Q? > > I have some Emulex SD590 drives which require a controller like the > DEC KDA50-Q (M7164+M7165) or KDA50-QA. > > I found a KDA50-Q controller on eBay, but also discovered that the > KDA50-Q has a rather bad (show-stopper) bug that was fixed in later > revisions, detailed here: > > http://deathrow.vistech.net/~cvisors/DEC94MDS/kda50dol.txt > > >From that description I understand I need either revision D1 or D2 of > the M7164 module. What should I be looking for on the board that would > indicate it has had the FCO applied? is it an option to re-program the > 6 PROMs that appear to be involved? > > Alternatively, if anyone has the two board set (M7164 and M7165 joined > with the 40-pin and 50-pin cables) along with the cab-kit up for sale > I would be interested in discussing further. > Nigel, I have a KDA50 board set that I plan to install in an 11/83. Unfortunately mine has the E101-E106 PROMs 23-078F6, 23-079F6, 23-080F6, 23-081F6, 23-082F6, 23-083F6. I am interested to find out how to implement the FCO. -- Michael Thompson

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Vintage UNIX computers/servers for SALE-auction

by janprunk＠gmail.com

Hello ! Vintage workstations and servers for sale/auction in Slovenia, Europe. Below is the list of hardware, if you are interested, please read the details regarding the sale terms at the end of the list. For anything else you wish to know, please direct all questions regarding equipment to E-mail janprunk-at-gmail.com and not to the mailing list. 3 x HP 712 1 x Switch Hubstack JEHI-24 1 x Power Macintosh 7500/100 2 x SUN Sparcstation 4 1 x HP 9000 PC-308 (XT) 1 x Digital DEC 3000 1 x HP Terminal (monitor) 700/96 1 x Digital DEC 2000 1 x HP 9000 E35 STATUS OF THE EQUIPMENT : Equipment is being sold AS IS, meaning there is no facility to test it ! Computers should be in a working condition, some were even used by me personally, but consider them being sold as a DEFECT, due to its age, limited skills and lack of my time to exclude warranty terms. I am able and willing to provide the photos of the exterior, but please don't ask me to open up the machines to photograph the interior or components, boot up the OS, test the condition etc. I can provide exact model and serial number if that will be helpfull to you. Some computers come with the original hard drive inside and some don't. AUCTION: You are welcome to bid prices for this equipment. To limit the sale to serious bidders, I will only consider bids above 100 EUR per computer, if there are more bids for the same computer I will consider the highest offer. I haven't placed the equipment on EBAY at this time, because that would make me obligated to ship the computers even with a 1 EUR bidding win price and that would just mean too much work and no pay for me. PAYMENT: I am able to accept bank wire as a preferred method, cash or cheque, cryptocurrencies, such as Bitcoin but I am unhappy to accept Paypal due to its refundment policy which always sticks with the buyer. SHIPPING: I would prefer if you can do local pickup, however that might not be possible for people who don't live near Slovenia. I am willing to ship the equipment by mail, but be advised that Slovenia foreign parcel shipping is very expenssive so it wouldn't cost less than 80 EUR to ship the computer across Europe, due to its weight and dimensions. Shipping outside Europe would probably even double the amount, but if you are a serious collector I will also consider that option if you are willing to pay for shipping. I might have the accessories for computers - keyboards, cabling ... but consider the workstations being sold without that, as shipping the workstation + keyboard can be a problem, due to different dimensions and it would need to be packaged into two separate packages, therefore doubling the shipping costs aswell. ADDITIONALS: Keep in mind that bids below 100 EUR would just mean too much work for me to organise the shipment so I would rather not deal with it. I hope that the computers can find a new home with some other collector. For anything else you wish to know, please direct all questions regarding equipment to E-mail janprunk-at-gmail.com and not to the mailing list. I wish you all a happy bidding ! Kind regards, Jan Prunk PGP Pubkey http://prunk.si/0x00E80E86.asc

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Small change in mailing headers

by mcinnisg＠bellsouth.net

Thanks for getting the list going again. Probably not a big deal, but the 'Sender' header now has quotes around the string 'cctalk' and required a slight tweak to my procmail rules. Steve --

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