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by classicjr＠juno.com

CLASSICCMP Digest 11 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: How long will they last? by William Donzelli <william(a)ans.net> 2) Re: How long will they last? by Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com> 3) Re: How long will they last? by hellige <jeffh@eleventhFrom classicjr From: classicjr Full-Name: Jeffrey G. Rottman To: ronaldm(a)mars.ark.com Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 08:02:47 PST Subject: Osborne Parts X-Status: Unsent X-Mailer: Juno 1.00 Ron, Did you say you have a Drive C and things for the Osborne? I might be interested. I am getting an Osborne Executive, but not sure whether the same Drive C would work on both the O1 and the Exec. Did you just want to get rid of it? I could pay shipping costs to me in Texas if it could work with the Exec. Reply here or to: rottman(a)juno.com my other Email address. Thanks!!

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How long will they last?

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 01-Apr-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: >We ORIC users do exactly this -- use a PC sound card to transfer/copy those >old program tapes. Works wonderfully. You might want to take a look at the >Oric pages on http://www.ensica.fr/oric to see if any of the technology in >use there is worthwhile for your needs. I would think that all that would be needed was a standard cassette player that has both a MIC jack and a line-out jack. To make a WAV or other format recording of the data cassette, one would just plug the line out of the cassette player into the line-in on the soundcard and use your favorite recording software. You'd likely have to play with the volume to get it just right though. One would do just the opposite to create a copy of the data cassette file: plug the line-out of the soundcard up to the MIC jack on the cassette recorder. Again, it's likely one would have to play with the volume level for a bit. I used to use my home stereo system for my Timex-Sinclair's mass storage, and sometimes it got outright picky about the volume! The question then is: what sampling rate would be the best overall for this? Obviously, I don't think you'd need to use the stereo mode, but it'd be nice to keep the file size down if possible, without affecting the quality of the recording. I realize it'd be on shaky ground legally, but would any of you be interested in creating an archive of these data tape images? This would certainly ensure the programs originally provided on tape would be around much longer than the original tapes themselves. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- // Amiga: Today's Technology Ten Years Ago // ------------------------------------------------------- \// True 32bit pre-emptive multitasking GUI, plug&play hardware, \/ stereo sound, and 4096 color video modes since day #1 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128 & C128D, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4. Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles.

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Laser PC-4

by classicjr＠juno.com

I have had a response to my request to find a Laser PC-4 Notebook computer from someone here, but they referred me to a reseller that has modified it by adding a larger screen and more memory, which is fine, except now it doesn't have software for appointments and a clock calendar, I don't believe. They call it a Laser PC-5. Does anyone know where I could find a real PC-4 as sold several years ago? I would be interested in a used one. Respond here or at : rotation(a)juno.com

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Mattell Aquarius (was: Re: VIC-20 Programmer's

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 31-Mar-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: >Just the machine itself, unfortunately (Remember, the Aquarius was >discontinued just about the same time it hit the stores . . .) There were >promises of memory expansion, disk drives, etc., but I never saw any for >sale . . . Actually, the only piece of documentation I have for mine shows a pic of all kinds of stuff hooked to it as well as a price list for the stuff. It's pretty interesting. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- // Amiga: Today's Technology Ten Years Ago // ------------------------------------------------------- \// True 32bit pre-emptive multitasking GUI, plug&play hardware, \/ stereo sound, and 4096 color video modes since day #1 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128 & C128D, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4. Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles.

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Mattell Aquarius (was: Re: VIC-20 Programmer's Aid

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 30-Mar-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: >> Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >You got one too? Have you ever been able to do much with it? >(I picked up one for free at a flea market a few years back. Only about >4K, but I was able to write some simple Basic programs, and even save them >on tape, with it. . .) I've actually got two...One under the Mattel name, the other under the Radofin name. Same machine though, as Radofin was the actual manufacturer of it I believe. It's a pretty simple machine, but interesting. I've played with the Basic somewhat, but haven't tried to do much. What all do you have for the Aquarius? Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- // Amiga: Today's Technology Ten Years Ago // ------------------------------------------------------- \// True 32bit pre-emptive multitasking GUI, plug&play hardware, \/ stereo sound, and 4096 color video modes since day #1 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128 & C128D, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4. Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles.

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Mattell Aquarius (was: Re: VIC-20 Programmer's

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 31-Mar-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: >This was my very first computer. I still miss it to this day. I harbor >few regrets in my life but one of them is selling this system with my >atari 2600 to buy my first apple. The 2600 I've since replaced (ten >fold) and I'm sure someday I'll run into another aquarius and will have >it too, but I can never replace the programming I did on it. I had a >comic book inventory database program and I wrote seevral simple arcade >games. My setup was the aquarius with an expansion box that plugged into >the expansion slot that allowed two carthridges to be plugged in >simultaneously. This allowed a 4K memory expansion card to be plugged in >along with other game carthridges which required the increased memory. I >had a 4K mem carthridge, a couple games, keypad controllers, a thermal >printer, and two tape drives. What a fun little system. Some day I will >recoup all this gear. I just hope the kid I sold it too got as much use >out of it as I did. Sam, Sounds like quite a system. From the picture on the flyer I have, the Aquarius hooked up to all the expansion gear was quite a sight as well. As has already been mentioned, I have two base Aquarius computers, one of which is the Mattel variant which I recently picked up on a whim. Would you be interested in this machine? It's fucntional,though needs a little cleaning up. You are welcome to it...just let me know. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- // Amiga: Today's Technology Ten Years Ago // ------------------------------------------------------- \// True 32bit pre-emptive multitasking GUI, plug&play hardware, \/ stereo sound, and 4096 color video modes since day #1 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128 & C128D, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4. Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles.

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Osborne Accessories?

by ronaldm＠mars.ark.com

>At 07:22 AM 3/28/97 PST, you wrote: >>I'm about to become the proud owner of my first Osborne Computer. An >>"Executive" is being sent to me next week. I can't wait to get it going. > >Congratulations. They are neat beasts. >> internal Ram >>Disk known as "Drive C" or maybe a Bios upgrade, or some software. >> >>Anyone have a source for these items now? Such as the Ram Disk or maybe a >>Hard Disk upgrade?? > >Interesting you mention the "Drive C" unit, I have on e in my collection >but no software or docs. Anyone have any info on this critter? > Yes. Where are you? I have a manual that deals with both the hard drive and the Drive "C" attachment. Also have two drive "C" units. Have never been able to get them to work properly, and the docs don't help much. At any rate, the manual is a rather thick document and unfortunately, it's not mine to lend or sell at this point. Depending on what you want to know, I could photocopy exerpts. -Ron Mitchell

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VIC-20 Programmer's Aid Cartridge

by ronaldm＠mars.ark.com

JEFF>>> At a swap meet today, I picked up 9 VIC-20 cartridges as well as one JEFF>>> program tape. Among the VIC cartridges was a 16k RAM expansion and one called JEFF>> 'Programmers Aid Cartridge' (VIC-1212). Jeff, there is a 28 page manual that comes with that cart. Following quote might help get you started: Quote: After the VIC is inserted (the cartridge) type the following: SYS 28681 (and hit the return key) The VIC will display the following message: PROGRAMMER'S AID READY All of the AID commands are now included in your VIC's internal instruction set and may be used like any BASIC commands END QUOTE The cartridge adds 20 apecial editing commands to the VIC's instruction vocabulary and gives you an easy method for re-defining the VIC's programmable function keys. the commands are: AUTO FIND OFF CHANGE HELP PROG DELETE KEY RENUMBER DUMP KILL STEP EDIT MERGE TRACE CTRL A, E, L, N, Q, U also provide additional editing functions. Function keys are assigned various jobs; ie F1 is LIST, F3 is RUN, F5 is GOTO, F7 is INPUT Of course, there is more detail as to useage and some specific examples contained in the manual. Was just trying the thing out... hoping that the HELP command would provide some syntax examples for you. Unfortunately it doesn't. The HELP command will pinpoint a syntax error in your program if you use it directly after receiving an error message. Photocopying this short manual would cost me about $5. If you'll send me the money, I'll do it for you. JEFF>>> Also, can anyone explain the reasoning behind the different color schemes JEFF>> >for the labels? I have both. Don't know why it is so. Manufacturer's perrogative? -Ron Mitchell

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VIC-20 Programmer's Aid Cartridge

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

At a swap meet today, I picked up 9 VIC-20 cartridges as well as one program tape. Among the VIC cartridges was a 16k RAM expansion and one called 'Programmers Aid Cartridge' (VIC-1212). I popped the cartridge into the VIC-20 and the computer still boots right into Basic 2.0. Is this some kind of debugging cartridge then that helps with errors and such? None of the cartridges I picked up came with the docs but the ones I've tried seem to work ok so far. Also, can anyone explain the reasoning behind the different color schemes for the labels? The Gorf and Radar Ratrace cartridges I already had both have cream cases with cream/brown/black labels. The new cartridges I got today have brown cases with silver/black labels, though some have off-white cases with silver/black lables, while one has and off-white case with a silver/gold label! All of these are from Commodore. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- // Amiga: Today's Technology Ten Years Ago // ------------------------------------------------------- \// True 32bit pre-emptive multitasking GUI, plug&play hardware, \/ stereo sound, and 4096 color video modes since day #1 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128 & C128D, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4. Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles.

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Computer Listing

by MTapley＠swri.edu

Brett, I couldn't help myself (and besides, I won't have web-acess this weekend) and looked already. This is gonna be way, way, way cool. I have some minor questions/suggestions. 1) Check those features/dates/etc I posted for the Rainbow with somebody who actually knows. I have not done so, and they were just from my often-flaky memory. Some real Rainbow expert should please chime in here and set me straight on whatever I missed. 2) There actually does exist a Rainbow web site. Under construction at the moment, its url is: http://b61984.student.cwru.edu/rainbow.htm Can users just enter a link like that instead of a link to an image? Or can you add a field for that kind of link? 3) How does info get edited? Is it locked once entered (to prevent net.vandalism or well-intentioned but incorrect "corrections")? Maybe each computer web page can be changed only by emailing you, and is put under the responsibility of a single volunteer to make sure what's there is correct? Or maybe just put in an edit facility so anybody who so desires can add info? In any case, *thanks* for setting this up. I am really looking forward to browsing this site. - Mark

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Intel MDS (Microcomputer Development System)

by dmabry＠mich.com

Hello all, Just wanted to ask if anyone out there has an Intel MDS (Microcomputer Development System). That was the 8080-based system that Intel sold for developers to develop hardware and software based on their microcomptuers. It ran an operating system called ISIS-II from Intel. An interesting point of trivia is that Gary Kildall originally developed CP/M on the first 8080-based MDS called an Intellec 800. This system was based on the Multibus (a bus system developed by Intel and used in lots of industrical applications of single board comptuers). If you happen to buy a CP/M in the generic form it would run on one of those Intelled 800. Anyway, anyone who would like to discuss these systems, I'm game. I have an Intellec 800 and a Series II (the successor). I would be interested in anyone who might have for sale a set of floppy diskette controller boards for these systems. It is a two-board set and I need the double density version. Thanks. -- Dave Mabry dmabry(a)mich.com Great Lakes Maritime Institute Underwater Research Team NACD NSS-CDS #42872

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Help with Osborne 1 and TI 99/4A needed please

by george.lin＠documentum.com

Hi all, I picked up a very nice Osborne 1 from a local thrift store yesterday. The system powers up. Everything looks good. However, I don't have the boot disk. I tried the CP/M boot disk from my Kaypro II. No good. If I remember correctly, the disk drives on old CP/M machines are not compatible with each other even though the binaries are. It looks like that I need an Osborne formatted CP/M boot disk. Does anyone know where I can get one? Also, it would be nice to get a CP/M communication software on an Osborne formatted disk so that I can start transferring other CP/M software to it. In the same store, I picked up a Peripheral Expansion Box for my TI 99/4A. It comes with 1 floppy disk drive, 32K memory expansion, serial adapter, and flex cable adapter. However, the fuse and the cap that holds the fuse in place are gone. Does anyone know the specification for the fuse or know where I can get a replacement for it and the cap? Any help is greatly appreciated. George -- George Lin "Accelerating your business through Network Architect, MIS enterprise document managment." Documentum, Inc. (Nasdaq: DCTM) http://www.documentum.com Inet Fax: mailto:remote-printer.George_Lin@4.3.8.6.3.6.4.0.1.5.1.tpc.int My PGP Public Key for encryption is at http://george.home.ml.org/pgp.htm

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The Sexy ORIC!!!!

by lists＠phx6.phxmedia.com

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Insurance of your collection...

by kevan＠motiv.co.uk

Ok, what do people do about insurance of their computer collections. I guess mine is covered on the plain old house contents insurance, but the more I think about it the more I worry about a potential claim for over 60 old (and I guess in the minds of insurers, obsolete) computers. I guess insurers will want a current market value, but what is current market value for old computers? As far as I am concerned there isn't a market value and each computer is only worth as much as the person selling it wants for it, or what the purchaser is willing to pay. I have recorded the prices I have payed for most of the things I have in my collection, but some of the rarest and most valuable to me I got given for free. Other items I have payed a lot of money for, probably too much sometimes when I realy want the item. In no case have I got a reciept for a purchase. Thoughts please. -- Kevan Old Computer Collector: <URL:http://staff.motiv.co.uk/~kevan/>

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Attn: Jay Vaughan

by idavis＠comland.com

Please excuse the global post everyone, but Jay, if you could send me your email address, I will email you the fedex tracking number for your terminal. Thanks Isaac Davis : Doing the bull dance. idavis(a)comland.com : Feeling the flow. indavis(a)juno.com : Working it. Working it.

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Osborne Accessories?

by classicjr＠juno.com

I'm about to become the proud owner of my first Osborne Computer. An "Executive" is being sent to me next week. I can't wait to get it going. I have on old catalog from the "JMM Computer Products" from Auburn Washington which details many accessories and cables that they sold for the Osbornes. I may be interested in getting a Parallel Cable, maybe an internal Ram Disk known as "Drive C" or maybe a Bios upgrade, or some software. Anyone have a source for these items now? Such as the Ram Disk or maybe a Hard Disk upgrade?? BTW, I have color brochures of all three of the Osborne machines, the O1, Exec. and the Vixen that I have stashed away since the 80's. They are fun to look at once and a while.

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C Itoh Video Terminal

by idavis＠comland.com

At 12:48 PM 3/28/97 -0800, you wrote: >Hi! > >If you still have this, I would definitely have a use for it... I have about >7 Unix machines that I could use an extra dumb terminal on... > Jay Vaughan Jay, It's yours. I will try and box it up this weekend and ship it out early next week, it's not extremely heavy, but it's close. I will even see if I can get the crayon off of it. There's not much, just a little scribble, but everything works just fine on it. I don't have any cables to hook it up, just the keyboard and the monitor, but it looks like it has standard rs232 and parallel ports on the back. I knew someone could use it, and sure hated to throw it away. I have never really shipped anything(man i'm naieve), so if you want anything special fed-ex wise, email me and let me know what to do. Isaac Davis : Doing the bull dance. idavis(a)comland.com : Feeling the flow. indavis(a)juno.com : Working it. Working it.

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C Itoh Video Terminal

by idavis＠comland.com

I have a C Itoh Video Terminal model number CT101. If anyone can use it, and doesn't mind paying shipping, I would be happy to send it to them. It is in good working condition, there are some crayon marks on the side, but I'm sure they will come off. I put it into my kids room and let them hit the keys and watch the characters come up on the screen. They thought it was the neatest thing. It is nothing more than a dumb terminal, but I know some of you have mini computers and might be able to use it as a console or something like that. Just email me and let me know, or if you need more information. I live in Austin, TX. and would bring it to work if you are local and don't mind picking it up. It's nothing really special, but I hate to throw out something that someone might be able to use. Isaac Davis idavis(a)comland.com indavis(a)juno.com

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Epic Computer

by bm_pete＠ix.netcom.com

Greetings; I've found/uncovered another computer in my garage, does anyone know anything about it? The label says Epic Computer Products, Inc. Fountain Valley, Calif. Model 2296 It measures about 9" wide, 7" high, and 14" deep (breadbox size) Most of the space is taken by 2 FH 5?" drives (Qume model 592) one drive has a disk in it which is labeled 77 tracks/side, so I assume they are 640K or 720K. The processor is a Z80A with 64KB, so my best guess is that it's a CP/M system. The back panel contains a RESET button, a TEST/NORMAL switch, a DB-25F connector with a switch labeled toCOMM EQUIP/toPRINTER, a Centronics connector labeled PARALLEL, and a couple of other "phone jack" type connectors. (I don't know the name for these connectors, but they're the same size as the one on my phone-handset connection, not the plug-in-the-wall size) One of these connectors is labeled CONSOLE, the other is labeled PRINTER SERIAL. I would like to get this thing running, but don't know how to do it, what to use, or where to connect it. Any help/info would be appreciated. _______________ Barry Peterson bm_pete(a)ix.netcom.com Husband to Diane, Father to Doug, Grandfather to Zoe now and to Tegan soon!

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Laser PC-3, 4

by johnz＠utxvms.cc.utexas.edu

>Anyone know where I could find a PC-4 ?? I saw one at a workshop 2 years age. At that time they were selling for $239.00, with a number of add on options. They are or were available from Perfect Solutions 12657 Coral Breeze Dr. West Palm Beach, FL 33414 1-800-726-7086 (407) 790-1070 John Moore

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Laser PC-3, 4

by classicjr＠juno.com

Anyone on the list ever heard of the Laser PC-3 and PC-4 Laptop computers? They were small NonDos, NonWindows computers to be used mainly as Organizers and Word Processors. They were out about 7 years ago and sold at Sears stores, etc. I sure would like to get one of those machines... Especially the PC-4, with the bigger screen. They came with a choice of Ms-Dos or Mac connection cables and Software. Anyone know where I could find a PC-4 ??

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Computer Listing

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 24-Mar-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: > After CoCos and 64s, next would be TI 99/4 whatevers, then Atari >800/400 series. I was surprised to see an Aquarius WITH expansion >module and controllers for sale a month or so ago. Larry, That certainly is interesting...I would have liked to have seen that one. I picked up a second Aquarius the other day, this one from Mattel, while my first doesn't bear the Mattel name anywhere on it, and seems to have been sold directly by Radofin Electronics. Other than the Mattel name missing from the case and ID label though, and the fact that the Radofin machine has an 'R' tacked to the end of the model number, they are identical. The third variant I've heard of, but not seen, is the PAL version sold in the UK. I don't recall it's model number, but it's model was totally different than the 5931 model of the US NTSC version. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- // Amiga: The computer for the creative mind...since 1985! // ------------------------------------------------------- \// True 32bit pre-emptive multitasking GUI, plug&play hardware, \/ stereo sound, and 4096 color video modes since day #1 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex- Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4. Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles.

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The return of the 'Mark-8'

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

(Attempting not to drop into 'blatant advertising' mode... B^} ) In preparation for an exhibit of 'Classic Computers' that I am working on with other local collectors and the Oregon Museum of Science and History (OMSI - http://www.omsi.edu) to be presented this November, we are planning to reconstruct (at least one) functioning 'Mark-8' microcomputer as originally presented in a construction article in the July 1974 edition of 'Radio-Electronics' magazine. (predating the presentation of the 'Altair' construction project in a competing magazine by six months) Briefly for those not familiar with the unit, the 'Mark-8' (referred to as a "minicomputer" in the original article) is an Intel 8008 microprocessor based unit with a clock speed of 500kHz and a maximum addresing range of 16kb. The unit as implemented in this project features a full 'programmers' front panel, and is constructed on six double sided circuit boards which comprise the CPU board, parallel data input and output boards, display board, address latch and memory boards. The reconstruction as I will be implementing it will add a seventh board to stand in for the original memory board which was designed for 1101 static RAM chips which are no longer available in any quantity. The revised memory board will substitute 2102 static RAM chips which are readily available. (Note: there is a possibility that we may just update the existing memory board layout to allow the use of either RAM chip, but we are not quite that far along as yet) To help defer the costs of having the circuit boards made, we are offering sets of the boards to interested parties at our cost. Currently, with the minimum run of boards to make this project practical (6 sets) the cost per set stands at $200.00US. Four sets are currently spoken for. To get this rolling, we at least to find people interested in the other two board sets, and if more people are interested we can get the price per set down even further. (or if someone out there works for a PC board house???) And, since someone will no doubt ask... Yes, we do have a source for the Intel 8008 microprocessors. The quantities are limited however, and the current price for the microprocessor is $200.00US. All other required parts to construct this unit are readily available through stardard sources. Also, through the kindness of the management of Gernsback Publications (publisher of 'Radio-Electronics' and other related publications) we can provide reprints of the original construction article and documentation set for the 'Mark-8' project to anyone who purchases one of the board sets. (with updates for the revised memory board) If anyone is interested in joining us on this classic adventure or has any questions, please feel free to contact me. Thanks! -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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Laser500

by walgen＠do.isst.fhg.de

-----Original Message----- From: Doug Spence [SMTP:ds_spenc@alcor.concordia.ca] Sent: Friday, March 21, 1997 8:34 AM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Re: Laser500 >> are you sure the VZ200 is from Video Technologies? I have one new in box >> with 16kB RAM but there is no reference to Video Technologies on the case. > Well, my source for this info was the March, 1983 issue of COMPUTE! > magazine, in the article entitled "New Home Computers At The Winter > Consumer Electronics Show": > "....Three new computers reatiling for $99 were shown at the show, > including the first one with color. > The colour model is the VZ200, the first home computer from Video > Technologies Ltd., a company with two factories in Hong Kong. Promised > for delivery by April, the VZ200 comes with 4K of RAM, expandable to 16K > ($45) or 64K (price not yet determined)...." That sounds correct - HongKong is mentioned on the box. Maybe Video Technologies was a unkown name at this time. I have the 16k-Ram Expansion card you mention so it looks like that this announce was not completely vapourous ... >> I have four LASER 500 with LASER Tapes. Anyone heard of these? > > Well, obviously I haven't. :) Is the Laser 500 an Apple-compatible > machine, or is it something entirely different? I will check this but I this it has a Z80 ... >>I'd like instructions on >how to use the SOUND, NOISE, SOUND DEF, and SOUND TEMPO extended BASIC >commands if you have such information. Also PAINT, as I haven't yet >figured out the syntax for that one, either. sorry I don't have a single line of doc for my machines. > LASER Tapes? Did the Laser use something other than standard audio > cassettes? No I don't think so - but they have made a special cassett-player. Does anyone know how to load a file from a tape with a LASER? Doug Spence ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca

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Computer Listing

by carl.friend＠stoneweb.com

On Fri, 21 Mar 1997 17:54:15 -0500, "Captain Napalm" uttered: > but you might want to add an availability field [for (in the good Captain's case, microcomputers)], something like: > Limited - only a single run ever made, and then, not very > many. How about some of the rarer minicomputers that were made in the '60s? Beasts like the LINC-8 (of which there were only 142 built) or Packard Bell equipment from the very early sixties count here. PDP-1. > Rare - Only made for a year or so. I'd put into this category the Classic DEC PDP-8, and orginal Data General Novas. PDP-12s might go here (production run of ~1000). > Uncommon - the less popular machines of an era. I'm speculating at this point, but I'd tend to lump Prime equipment and Interdata gear in this one. You can find them, but it's a lucky find. Later Novas and Eclipses might fit here. > Common - Fairly easy to find. DEC pdp11 gear fits, for the most part here, although a case can be made for the 11/20 to fall into the "uncommon" classification. This class is especially appropriate for early- to mid- life 11s. > Abundant - the era of the PClone. Can't go to a thrift > store, auction, ham fest, etc without finding > hundreds if not thousands of old units. This is a level of concentration that you'll never find with mini- computers. In this class, I'd tend to place late-life-cycle pdp11s, like the 11/84 and up, and various classes of small VAXen. Note that in many cases these machines are still performing their assigned tasks and may not be de-commissioned for several years to come. I hate to flog a horse that's weak, but there is more to computing life than microprocessors. Whilst I don't disagree that the micro- based machines should be preserved (they should), I hope that folks, through their study of machines' history, become aware of what is now _distant_ history, even though it only happened 25-35 years ago. Bitmapped displays and typewriter keyboards are nice, but it's also good to sit in front of the blinking lights and work switches to program the machine. ______________________________________________________________________ | | | | Carl Richard Friend (UNIX Sysadmin) | West Boylston | | Minicomputer Collector / Enthusiast | Massachusetts, USA | | mailto:carl.friend@stoneweb.com | | | http://www.ultranet.com/~engelbrt/carl/museum | ICBM: N42:22 W71:47 | |________________________________________________|_____________________|

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Computer Encyclopedia

by bill＠booster.bothell.washington.edu

Hi folks. The computer encyclopedia seems to have survived the weekend and is ready for new entries. So far six machines have been cataloged. Here's your chance to show off what you know about your obscure machines (and help justify all the work that went into this thing). Go to the CCL site (http://weber.u.washington.edu/~bcw/ccl.html) and click on the Classic Computer Encyclopedia. Then just go to Add a computer. Or just browse around and see what you think. Bill Whitson ClassicCmp "owner" bcw(a)u.washington.edu bill(a)booster.u.washington.edu

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Collectors web pages...

by kevan＠motiv.co.uk

Hi, Simply, I am looking for URL's of collectors who document their collection on the Web. For some time I have had page on my Web site that lists other classic computer collectors who have web pages that document their collection. I am now in the process of revamping my collection web site and I would like to improve the list of the collectors web pages I have. The URL for this new page is: http://staff.motiv.co.uk/~kevan/collection/other_collectors.html If you have a web page that documents your collection and I haven't already got it then please drop me a note and I will add it to the list. Regards -- Kevan Heydon Old Computer Collector: <URL:http://staff.motiv.co.uk/~kevan/>

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Computer Listing

by MPritchard＠ensemble.net

>What about machines built at prototypes only (PERQ 2T4, PERQ3A, Tiger? >Tandy Deluxe Coco, etc). Some of those are very difficult to find. Don't forget the Atari 1400, 1450xld, etc, which exists as prototypes only. Absolutely. It never fails to amaze me that some 1980's home micros (particularly Sinclar ZX80's, ZX81's, etc and Commodore 64's) still fetch quite high prices second-hand, while I am often _given_ minicomputer equipment. It's a memory/nostalgia thing. When I was a young boy, I got access to a bunch of early micros (Ohio Scientific, Exidy Sorcerer, Kim -1, etc). Now I'm older and want own things from my youth. ;-) -Matt Pritchard

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Computer Listing

by zmerch＠northernway.net

At 05:54 PM 3/21/97 -0500, you wrote: > Uncommon - the less popular machines of an era. Usually > have to hunt around, but persistence pays off. > Color computers, Coleco Adams and what not > fall into this catagory (IMHO). > > Common - Fairly easy to find. Apple ][s, Amigas would be > here (again IMHO). Ummm... my intention here is not to flame, but Tandy Color Computers are *much* more abundant than you realize, mainly because (and I've learned this thru observation and personal experience) that one usually notices the most what one owns or has owned. <TANGENT> Dumb kid: "What the heck kinda car is that... it looks funny." Grandpa: "Son, that's a '47 Pontiac (or Mercury, or... insert personal favorite here) with a xxx V-8 engine & bla, bla, bla. I used to have one of those in my heyday, when I was a ..........." [[a week passes, same car]] Dumb kid: "What the heck kinda car is that... it looks funny....." </TANGENT> My point is there was an immense production of the Color Computer (there must... I own 3 myself) and in my little town of 14,000, I can name people who still own and use them, but the last Amiga I saw in this town was almost 10 years ago. Mind you, I'm not saying they're not around... I'm saying I don't see/take note of them, because I prefer Color Computers... You have a good suggestion, but I think that instead of just an arbitrary listing of who notices what or what might never be seen in a particular region (Amigas in Sault Ste. Marie, Color Computers in the Ukraine, ad nauseum...) that it should be based on actual production statistics when available. I can give you one bit of information: The Tandy Color Computer line was in production longer than any other 8-bit (and some 16-bit) home computer. Anywho, that's my $0.00000002 (that's all it's worth), FWIW, which ain't much. Thanks for the bandwidth, Roger "Merch" Merchberger Roger Merchberger | Everyone complained to me to change my .sig, Programmer, NorthernWay | but no-one could recommend something better. zmerch(a)northernway.net | So you'll have to put up with this *junk* | until I find some new wisdom to share.

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Adam for Sale

by BigLouS＠aol.com

Someone on AOL has an Adam for sale. Is anyone interested? Lou

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FS: Tandy Model 100 w/manuals, case, cables

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

Hello, I have decided to sell my Tandy Model 100. It comes complete with both the owner's manual and service manual, a soft vinyl case, modem/phone cable and cassette cable. Works great! Since I didn't know what to ask, I went ahead and listed it on AuctionWeb. Here's the link to bid and get more info, see picture, etc: http://www.ebay.com/aw-cgi/item.cgi?item=lvp42398 Thanks and any questions, please feel free to ask. Greg -- http://www.calpoly.edu/~gmast ______________ NOTICE ___________________ My email will be down from 3/25 to 3/29. The system may not be receiving mail. If you send a message I won't be able to reply until 3/30. If you don't receive a reply, please resend after 3/29. Thanks, Greg _________________________________________

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Atari 800xe ?

by BigLouS＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-03-21 03:01:19 EST, you write: > Anyone interested in 800XEs? I can try to get hold of some ... I certainly would be. Lou

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Digests

by bill＠booster.bothell.washington.edu

Due to popular demand digesting has been enabled. Furthermore, it has been changed since this morning from weekly to daily distribution. Digests will be sent at 23:59 each day. Bill Whitson ClassicCmp "owner" bcw(a)u.washington.edu bill(a)booster.u.washington.edu

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Regular Post: Mailing Lists

by bill＠booster.bothell.washington.edu

ClassicCmp Regular Posting Mailing Lists and How to Talk to the List Robot This message is posted with frequency proportional to subscription rate (or monthly). Mailing List Basics A mailing list is a simple device which takes an e-mail and redistributes it to a group of people. People can add and remove themselves from the distribution list by Subscribing and Unsubscribing. When you send a message to the list, it is first examined by the robot for key words that tell it to process an automatic funtion (like help, subscribe, unsubscribe, etc). If the message does not contain a keyword it is sent to the distribution list. How to Talk to the Robot There are a few List Processor commands that you might want to use. To send a command to the list processor, write a message to listproc(a)u.washington.edu. In the body of the message (not the subject line, that is) write one of the following commands. Then send the message. SET CLASSICCMP MAIL ACK Tells the robot to send you a copy of messages you write to the list. This is the default. SET CLASSICCMP MAIL NOACK Tells the robot NOT to send you a copy of messages you write to the list. I don't recommend this. SET CLASSICCMP MAIL DIGEST Tells the robot to send you a digest of messages rather than each as it is posted. With this option you will get a weekly bundle of messages and keep a nice, tidy in-box. SUBSCRIBE CLASSICCMP Your.Address Subscribes you to the list. UNSUBSCRIBE CLASSICCMP Your.Address Removes you from the list. That's the basics. If you need to know more just drop me a line at bcw(a)u.washington.edu. Bill Whitson ClassicCmp "owner" bcw(a)u.washington.edu bill(a)booster.u.washington.edu

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Computer Listing

by HamiJohn＠aol.com

In the few days this group has been going, I have been taken down memory lane over and over again! I would like to propose that we begin documenting all the great classic computers of the past. I suggest it be a SIMPLE compilation such as: Name/Model Manufacturer Date released/stopped RAM/ROM included Languages included Ports included Peripherals offerred etc. Of course the exact categories need to be decided by discussion on this mail list. And somebody would need to tabulate the info (then publish the list monthly). Finally, an "expert" committee for those items "in dispute"! Well ... what do you think? John Hamilton hamijohn(a)aol.com "Old computers never die, they just fade away bit by bit!"

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S-100 Lovers! Old Digital Research Operating Systems(fwd)

by danjo＠xnet.com

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Newsgroups: comp.os.cpm >From: gee(a)linda.teleport.com (Chuck Gee) Date: 21 Mar 1997 10:48:15 -0800 Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 S100 cards for sale. Make offer. ================================= This is my second posting of this ad. The first time around, about 1/2 of the cards found new homes. Since these are the leftovers, I am willing to consider any reasonable offer. Most have no documentation, but have been removed from working systems (mostly from a BBS I once ran). If you live in the Northwest, these are located in Corvallis, Oregon, and you can get to them any weekday. Otherwise, UPS ground prefered. quantity part# mfg. desc. ======== ===== ==== ===== 3 INTERFACER 3 GODBOUT/COMPUPRO 8 CHANNEL SERIAL 1/O (1 interfacer 3 technical manual included) ---------------------------------------------------------------- 1 PWA.05-00060 MOUNTAIN COMPUTER 100,000 DAY CLOCK ---------------------------------------------------------------- 4 RAM 21 GODBOUT ELECTRONICS 64K X 16 RAM CARD ---------------------------------------------------------------- 1 CPU 86/87 GODBOUT 8086-1 CPU CARD ---------------------------------------------------------------- 2 SYSTEM SUPPORT 1 COMPUPRO I/O, CLOCK,MATH, INT, ETC.. ---------------------------------------------------------------- 1 UFDC-1 COMPU/TIME FLOPPY DISK CONTROLLER ---------------------------------------------------------------- 5 SCP400B,C SEATTLE COMPUTER MULTIPORT SERIAL CARD ---------------------------------------------------------------- 1 Suntronics Co., inc CLOCK/CALENDAR ================================================================ I also have the following manuals that I will send off for the price of shipping, or will include with some/all of the above cards. Digital Research CP/M-86 Operating System User's Guide -- Digital Research Concurrent CP/M User's Guide/Utilities Guide -- Gifford Computer Systems Multiuser Concurrent DOS User's Manual (includes a pile of 8" diskettes) ================================================================= 6 assorted S-100 motherboards ================================================================= A "pile" of 14 assorted S100 cards that have never been used by me and are untested. I picked them up (used) for future use, but never got around to firing them up. Their condition is unknown, and I'd like to sell them as one batch. They've been sitting in my warehouse for 15 years, and are pretty dusty. ================================================================= Please contact me at gee(a)teleport.com if interested in any of the above. Thanks... ========================================================================== For an Online, Interactive Science-Fiction Adventure, please point your browser to: http://www.teleport.com/~gee/oiin.html ========================================================================== -- gee(a)teleport.com Hope someone can use this - before it gets chucked that is 8-) BC

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Computer Listing

by dlormand＠aztec.asu.edu

I'm not totally sure yet another ad hoc list is in our best interests. There are some Web sites dedicated to Classic Computers that list some/most of the old sets and what went with them (peripherals, memory, etc.). If you feel that a seperate list is still a good idea, BMG, but I'd like to see a list of "history" Web sites and how good you think they are. Some, like Rich Polivka's page, are dedicated to a single machine (our trusty TI). I imagine other machines have something similar. -- ********************************************** * David Ormand *** Southwest 99ers * * dlormand(a)aztec.asu.edu *** Tucson, Arizona * **************************** TMS9900 Lives! *

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Whoops!

by bill＠booster.bothell.washington.edu

Y'know, every once in a while you shoot out a message and immediatly realize you just did something embarrasing. And there's not a damn thing you can do ;). I just said to thank Dan Tucker for the html work on the comp list. And within seconds of pressing send remembered that actually it's a shared mailbox and the guy I've been chatting with for that last few days is, in fact - Brett Crapser. So, everybody say "Thanks, Brett!" And I'll go bury my head in the sand :x Bill Whitson ClassicCmp "owner" bcw(a)u.washington.edu bill(a)booster.u.washington.edu

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Compaq Model III, anyone?

by bboys＠mcja.com

Would anyone like to have (ie, for FREE) a Compaq Model III? It's one of those newfangled 286s, but it does have a cool fold-out LCD screen. The 5 1/2 floppy works but the hard drive is doubtful. If you're interested e-mail me to figure out how to get it to you. Brian bboys(a)mcja.com

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how many old comps are dumped?

by dzander＠solaria.sol.net

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Atari 800xe ?

by walgen＠do.isst.fhg.de

-----Original Message----- From: mhop [SMTP:mhop@snip.net] Sent: Friday, March 21, 1997 8:21 AM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Atari 800xe ? >> Common European Computer (esp. Germany): >> >> Atari 800XE (common in eastern europe) >> > > Really? There was the 800, 800lx, and the 130xe. I think I heard of a > 600ex game system, but I never heard of an 800ex. What are its specs? I have a 800XE new in the box for ex. east germany. It looks like a 130XE but has only 64kB. If you are interested in further details I can check the instuction booklet. Anyone interested in 800XEs? I can try to get hold of some ...

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Laser500, Computer from Europe, FleaMarket

by walgen＠do.isst.fhg.de

>> Laser 50, Laser 2000, Sinlair QL, > ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ > > Now THESE machines interest me. Why? Because I am the proud owner of a > Laser 3000 from Video Technologies Ltd. Are the 50 and the 2000 from > the same company? The only other machines from them that I've heard of > are the VZ200 and the Laser 128 (I think they were?). are you sure the VZ200 is from Video Technologies? I have one new in box with 16kB RAM but there is no reference to Video Technologies on the case. I have four LASER 500 with LASER Tapes. Anyone heard of these? > There are a lot of very common (in Europe) European machines I'd like to > get my hands on, perhaps someone should set up an intercontinental > computer trade route. :) VERY GOOD IDEA - I got some of my computers from the US ... If anyone is interested in trading (Computer and Video-Games): http://hal.do.isst.fhg.de/~walgen/Museum/Gallery/Gallery.html I also have a small flea-market for old computer at http://hal.do.isst.fhg.de/~walgen/Museum/HCM.html Furthermore it could be interesting to make a list of common european computers that are possibly rare in the US. Here a first try - please make comments on the rarity of these computers in the US: Common European Computer (esp. Germany): Atari 800XE (common in eastern europe) Commodore C-116 Commodore C-16 Commodore VC-20 (has not VIC-20 as label) Philips VG 8010, VG8020, NMS8280 (all MSX) Philips G7000 (Video games) Schneider CPC 464, CPC 664, CPC6128, Joyce PCW 8256 Sharp MZ-700, MZ-800 Sinclair QL Sony HitBit HB-75D (MSX) Triumph Adler Alphatronic TA Robotron KC85/3 (from ex. east germany - Z-80 clone) Common European Computer (esp. France): Matra Alice, Alice 90 Thomson TO7, TO7-70 Thomson MO5, TO8, TO8D Common European Computer (esp. Netherlands): MSX Computer. esp. Philips

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Any ORIC owners here?

by lists＠phx6.phxmedia.com

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Atari 800xe ?

by mhop＠snip.net

> Common European Computer (esp. Germany): > > Atari 800XE (common in eastern europe) > Really? There was the 800, 800lx, and the 130xe. I think I heard of a 600ex game system, but I never heard of an 800ex. What are its specs? mhop(a)snip.net

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TI Speech Synthesizer question...

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 20-Mar-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: >There were many "Speech Synthesizer" modules released. Most of them had to >do with entertainment packages, but there also many for education as well. > Education packages included the Scott, Foresman series were the computer >would say the numbers and letters to children, and for entertainment, there >was Alpiner, Parsec, M*A*S*H, Star Trek, Microsurgeon, and many, many others. Actually, I was referring to the modules that were to plug into the Speech Synthesizer itself, beneath the flip-top. Numerous references mention them, and though on my Synthesizer, there isn't a connector in it for the module, I was wondering if maybe some early examples were shipped with one. Even the Speech Synthesizer manual mentions the cartridges. >There are more than 373 words to choose from. In fact, with the Terminal >Emulator II cartridge, you have unlimited "text-to-speech" capability. > Literally anything you type in can be spoken. Sometimes you would have to >make the the pronunciation spellings different in order for this to work, but >mostly, it was fine. Extended BASIC was the only cartridge that limited >"text-to-speech", but even then TI later released a "text-to-speech" diskette >which would allow the user to type in anything (much like the Terminal >Emulator II, and Speech Editor). I got the 373 word limit from the Synthesizer manual, though I've not counted up the words in the list it shows. I plan on playing with TE-II once I recieive the RS232 board for my PEBox. It'd be interesting having it speak the ascii data as it came across! >I just picked up a Speech Editor cartridge for $20 from someone who was >selling it along with other old TI stuff. Expect to pay this, or more for it >- as it is rare. I just got it, and I can't even use it because I don't have >the manual. That's fine with me...BTW, here's another question regarding the GROM cartridges. When did Atari begin making the arcade game cartridges for the TI-99/4A? Most people admit that TI didn't allow much 3rd party software to be produced initially, yet here is one of their competitors writing programs for it. I have the Donkey Kong and Pac Man cartridges, and they are both dated 1983. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- // Amiga: The computer for the creative mind...since 1985! // ------------------------------------------------------- \// True 32bit pre-emptive multitasking GUI, plug&play hardware, \/ stereo sound, and 4096 color video modes since day #1 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex- Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, and a TRS-80 Model 4. Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles.

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TI Model Number

by HamiJohn＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-03-16 18:18:32 EST, Bryan Nicalek writes: > The TI-99/2 was never actually produced. Only pre-production units were ever > made. This was after the TI-99/4A, back in 1983. A whole line of > peripherals were planned to be offered, including the new HEX-BUS interface. > The 99/2 was black and white only, 40 columns, and limited but a very > portable computer. Only rare photos have ever been seen. The 99/2 did make it out the door - I bought one in a MSP Target. The hex bus peripherals also were produced, and worked with the CC40 (handheld from TI). John Hamilton hamijohn(a)aol.com "Old computers never die, they just fade away bit by bit!"

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Hello all!

by COAKLEY＠AC.GRIN.EDU

> My nephew owns an Atari 800XL computer, and I was wondering if anyone > knows of any source for basic programs he could type in and learn from. > I think the basic programs should be short and easy for a 7th grader to > learn from. Thanks for any help. I will be writing up a mastermind program > for him and maybe a tic-tac-toe game for him. Anyone have ideas for other > games that can be written in BASIC and are easy to understand and short? > Thanks in advance. Used book stores. They often have old computer books lying around which they'll sell to you for a couple dollars, and it shouldn't be too hard to find books of basic games. Heck, I have a book of 33 games designed for PET, Apple ][, or TRS-80 BASIC that I could send to you, if you want. They're pretty, uh, basic, but taking them apart isn't a bad way to learn BASIC. I really should sleep more, -- Ben Coakley coakley(a)ac.grin.edu 530 User anonymous access denied. http://www.math.grin.edu/~coakley for fiction, etc.

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Let people know about collectors

by BigLouS＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-03-20 13:55:54 EST jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com (James Willing) wrote: > I guess my base fear here is that if we actually managed to get the > media's attention, a few major stories like this might drive the equipment > costs to high (note I said COSTS, not VALUE) that only deep pocketed > people with no real interest in the equipment other than its percieved > 'value' would be able to afford to obtain it! Well said. Publicity is not always a good thing. imw(a)agora.rdrop.com (James Willing) also wrote: Me, I'm doing new board layouts and am planning to reconstruct a 'Mark-8' or two... Anyone else interested in a board set? I might be, post some details. Lou

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Zenith Z386-20

by CHEER＠us.oracle.com

Captain Napalm sez: >It was thus said that the Great Christopher Heer once stated: >> Wow. 72 pin? Are you certain? In any case, ISTR older Zeniths taking proprietary >> memory. > Yup. Without any SIMMS, the system just sits there producing vast amounts >of nothing quite fast. With memory installed, I get the bad CMOS error, >then vast amounts of nothing quite fast. Well that's pretty ironclad. I doubt you're having a memory problem. >> > Then the screen goes blank and the system just sits there, fans spinning. >> How long? I mean, how long have you let it wait? If it's mis-configured on the >> hard disk, it could take simply ages to time out. > Oh, two minutes maybe. Nothing very long. Let it go longer. Sweartagod I've seen PC's take 15 minutes to error out. Also, if there's a hard disk controller installed, yank it. It may make it time out faster. And as someone else mentioned, Zenith was fond of using Ctrl-Alt-Ins as the keystroke combination to get into setup. Give that a go. -- Christopher D. Heer ORACLE Corporation Network Engineer III 203 N. La Salle Avenue #2000 Work: (312) 704-1676 Chicago, IL 60601 Fax: (312) 726-4635 Email: cheer(a)us.oracle.com Visualize Whirled Peas

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Zenith Z386-20

by CHEER＠us.oracle.com

Captain Napalm sez: > At an auction this past Saturday, I picked up a Zenith Z386-20 (okay, it >might, just might, be 10 years old). It looks to be a decent system, and >today is the first day I've been able to play around with it, as I had to >scrape up some 72-pin SIMMS for memory. Wow. 72 pin? Are you certain? In any case, ISTR older Zeniths taking proprietary memory. > Upon turning the unit on, I get (if I recall - it doesn't stay very long >on the screen): > Bad CMOS configuration blah blah yada yada > Then the screen goes blank and the system just sits there, fans spinning. How long? I mean, how long have you let it wait? If it's mis-configured on the hard disk, it could take simply ages to time out. > I have some questions about the unit I figure I'd through out here before >going to alt.folklore.computers. > 1. It doesn't seem to even look at the keyboard. Do Zeniths use > a proprietary keyboard, or is the POST routine not getting past > the bad CMOS? Zeniths were, ISTR, slightly touchy about keyboards, but they didn't have to be proprietary. Odds are something else is hanging it. > 2. The computer itself has a daughter board that contains the > ROMs, a SmartBattery (DALLAS - DS1260-100 / 9816 / 3V > Lithium battery), an Intel 8742 (Universal Peripheral Interface > 8-bit Slave uController) and other neat features (the 8 LEDs > are a nice touch). The Smart battery can be removed, but I'm > wondering if it's a common item and is easily replaced. Depends on how you define "common" and "easily," but yeah, you should be able to find it and replace it. They last a long time, though; I'd resolve the config issue before replacing it. -- Christopher D. Heer ORACLE Corporation Network Engineer III 203 N. La Salle Avenue #2000 Work: (312) 704-1676 Chicago, IL 60601 Fax: (312) 726-4635 Email: cheer(a)us.oracle.com Visualize Whirled Peas

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