- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by dastar＠crl.com

Oh yeah, it's at http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~alexios/MACHINE-ROOM Go there now! Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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Alexios' MACHINE ROOM

by dastar＠crl.com

I just visited Alexios Chouchoulas' MACHINE ROOM web page and it is downright cool. There is a lot of good information there, and the database is pretty complete as far as micro's go. Check it out. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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Moving my Collection?

by starling＠umr.edu

I'm going to be moving my collection a couple hundred miles from Austin, TX to Tyler, TX. I'm wondering if anyone has any packing or moving suggestions (packing material, special treatment of media, etc). The stuff is going to be moved by a moving company (Atlas probably) but I'm doing much of the packing ahead of time. I'm seriously considering moving the oddball monitors and magnetic media myself. I don't trust them with these easily harmed things and if they're damaged, they have little or no reimbursement value, but are difficult to find again. Anyone have any magical tips on packing and moving? chris

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Tiger Learning Computer

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

Okay, let's see if I can include the file this time. Sheesh. :) Ok, this isn't exactly a classic computer. It's more the rebirth of a classic in a slick new case (looks like a laptop, but isn't) with a slick new desktop. If you don't think it's appropriate here, I won't be upset if you hit delete. :) I got my Tiger Learning Computer (hereafter TLC) from Pennys today. The outside box was smashed beyond all recognition, but the inner box, which only touched the outer one in two spots, was intact, and the computer undamaged. Inside the inner box was the actual retail box, with the pictures on it, the "Apple Technology" symbol on it and so on. It's an eerie feeling opening a brand new computer in retail packaging like that. I haven't done it since I got my Commodore 64, after weeks of waiting for it on backorder at LaBells (aka Best, now extinct) we picked one up at KMart. You C=64 collectors probably experience this all the time, opening a box to find *a computer* inside, ready to plug into the TV and compute. For me, it'd been 13 years. So what does $179 bucks plus shipping (box smashing was, presumably, free) get in 1997? Well, you get a solid feeling little computer that feels remarkably like an early power-book in your hands. You get the "wall wart" power supply. You get 6 cartridges, one of which is your battery-ram "disk", another of which has appleworks 4.3 on it. The rest each have a switch and two applications. They plug (upside down) into slots on either side of the machine. But I'm ahead of myself here. Hookup. Pretty much plug and play, although I did get a chuckle when I noticed that this computer has no RF modulator. Now that everyone owns a VCR with video IN jacks, it's not necessary anymore. So, white wire to audio in, yellow wire to video in, power, flip the VCR input to line in, hit the switch. And smile to myself as it boots up in prodos. Just for a second before the desktop and sound effects load. First annoying thing: The voice that says "Please select an activity" every time you boot. I'm finding I boot a lot. I can tell this is going to irritate me in the long term. I'm not enough of an Apple 2 wizard to know what video mode it came up in. It looks like about 16 colors, and about the resolution of CGA. Not as fine as my old '64 was capable of, but much faster. Using the thing. Ok, I've owned it for about 4 hours now and I have a horrible crick in my neck >from lying on the living room floor looking up at the TV, so I haven't even tried all the apps yet. If anyone's interested, let me know, I'll follow up. Loading programs is almost exactly like running them off a floppy, except that you can never boot from the program disk. You have to go to the disk icon on the desktop and tell the tiger to run the program. Not very intuitive, but I'm sure kids will figure it out as fast or faster than I did. Especially if they read the instructions. :) I just expected them to load automatically. My bet is in the next ROM version of the tiger they will. Appleworks 4.3 looks remarkably like it did on my friend's 2E all those years ago, except of course that it's not as sharp on my TV as it was on his apple monitor. I suspect a newer TV directly connected instead of through the VCR would perform better. That failing an old Commodore 1782 monitor should be something to see. Wish I hadn't given mine away. My nostalgia for Apple2 is limited here, like I said, I was a commodore 64 geek. WE didn't have to have disks to boot. (In fact, for the first 3 months I had my 64, I had no storage device at all, so my first programs were short, enjoyed to the point of boredom, and then utterly lost when the computer was powered off.) On the other hand, the odds of the '64 making a comeback like this are slim and none. They never had the educational following. So all in all, it's been a weird experience for me with this little computer. Objectively, it's not a bad little machine at all. The keyboard bites - although it may get better as it gets used/my hands adapt back from Microsoft wave keyboard. The sound is first class - even better than my '64s old SID chip. Graphics are about as good as can be expected on an 8 bit apple 2, except in color. Software is still a little weird - nothing beyond what it came with. Of course, if I can get my hands on a copy of "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" and type in the 83 line basic Kermit so I can communicate with the rest of my systems, I hopefully will be able to run all kinds of a2 software on it. The weird part isn't objective though. Part of me is rejoicing at the idea of this little throwback to the early 80s. I got a little piece of the excitement I had unpacking my 64 the first time unpacking the Tiger. And seeing it abuse my TV into pretending to be a computer monitor, even though it is a little fuzzy, made me smile. This, for me is how computing was. Part of me sits and scoffs at the tiger - and my '64 for that matter - when in the next room I have a lan full of reasonably modern PCs with orders of magnitude more power. Even my quasi-classic GS is head and shoulders above the tiger as a computer. But the tiger has something none of my other machines do. I'm not sure what, to be honest, maybe just nostalgia, maybe not. Anyway, I'm keeping it. Even if I do keep expecting the flip top to have a screen in it. (at least it comes off. :) -Jim -- Jim Strickland jim(a)calico.litterbox.com -- "...It tells me that goose stepping morons like yourself should try reading books instead of burning them." -Dr. Henry Jones Sr. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade -- Jim Strickland jim(a)calico.litterbox.com -- "...It tells me that goose stepping morons like yourself should try reading books instead of burning them." -Dr. Henry Jones Sr. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

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Tiger Learning Computer

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

-- Jim Strickland jim(a)calico.litterbox.com -- "...It tells me that goose stepping morons like yourself should try reading books instead of burning them." -Dr. Henry Jones Sr. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

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Great weekend for old computers!

by BigLouS＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-06-02 13:26:32 EDT, kaikal(a)MICROSOFT.com (Kai Kaltenbach) writes: > First off, I got two Apple ///+ machines in a thrift store! Anyone have > a copy of SOS for these suckers? If no one has a copy try http://www.allelec.com. They have it with II emulation for $7.95. However their minimum order is $25.00. Lots of Apple and mac stuff available though. Lou

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capturing legacy documentation

by groberts＠mitre.org

At 12:10 AM 6/3/97 -0400, Mr. Self Destruct wrote: > OK, lately, I have been placed in a sort of dilemna... I have literally > been deluged with e-mails/posts from people asking for MY MANUALS ... > I will grudgingly go to my nearest copying center and make > copies .. perhaps it is time for this group to stand up and begin to truly capture the history and documentation of classic computing - and to do it on line. for starters this means capturing manuals which are all too often lost first. next (and more challenging legally) is software. we could use some solid legal advice on what can and can't be posted but i find it hard to believe that anyone could object to putting scanned-in versions of most older manuals on the internet since: 1) many of these companies are no longer in the business, and 2) even if they were they would probably themselves make such a service available or welcome a third party to do it. i think all we really would have to do is make sure the original copyright notification was preserved in the on-line version. i realize system software is a tougher issue but perhaps we could start with the manuals. so we would need a home location (Bill Whitson: how about the "Archives" section of the classic computer web page you've set up? http://weber.u.washington.edu/~bcw/ccl.html) and some folks with scanners who can get things into HTML format (and others? .doc? .pdf?) and upload. comments on this proposal? are there already similar archives out there? - (i know of some Commodore ones), if so we should point to them. I'm not aware of any one location to go to find classic computer documentation, and judging from the traffic on this list it's sorely needed. - glenn +=========================================================+ | Glenn F. Roberts, Falls Church, VA | Comments are my own and not the opinion of my employer | groberts(a)mitre.org

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Apple II bits (North-West UK)

by jonathan＠holly.ninja.ml.org

Hi! I have a small collection of Apple II bits that I'd like to get rid of. From memory, I have 3 cases (2 with keyboards inside, and one with a motherboard as well), one original cardboard box (with a lovely picture of somebody's hand pointing at the machine!), and 3 or 4 (non-original :-) cardboard boxes full of hardware and software. The hardware mainly consists of unidentified expansion cards and cables, from what I remember. If anybody who is vaguely local to Manchester, UK, wants any of this, they're welcome to it - I am by no means an Apple expert, and this stuff is just taking up space. In most cases I've not even powered it up - it was rescued from the Robotics lab at my old school, when they decided they would throw it all away! I will happily go down and look through the boxes if anybody wants me to have a go at identifying the bits contained therein. Let me know if you are vaguely interested! ___ _ _ ___ _ _| (_)(\)(-) | (-)(-)(\)

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Some more finds

by george.lin＠documentum.com

I have begun to open up the boxes that I got this Saturday and found some more interesting stuff. Boy, this is like Christmas and only better (People don't send me junk as Christmas presents). There is a mint-condition Epson HX-20 stashed in the bottom of a box. It comes complete with the hard case, PS, serial cable, and a set of manuals. The system works but it seems that the battery won't hold a charge. I will probably need to swap out the internal NiCads before it can be a real portable. I found another handheld device named "Trans Term." It's about the size of a HP-71 but thicker. It has a membrane QWERTY keyboard. The LCD can probably display only a few lines at most. It has a DB25 port (probably for a modem) and a power-in jack. There is no other identification or marking. I have not tried to power it up since I don't have the PS. Does anyone know something about it? For many years, I thought Microsoft released Flight Simulator as their only game. I was wrong. I found a game that Microsoft released for TRS-80 Level 1 BASIC named Microsoft Olympic Decathlon. The game is on tape. The manual is copyright 1980. It has the old Microsoft logo on it. George -- ______________________________ ______________________________ / /\ / /\ / George Lin _/ /\ / Opinions expressed in this _/ /\ / Antique Computer Collector / \/ / message do not necessarily / \/ / http://museum.home.ml.org /\ / reflect my employer's. /\ /_____________________________/ / /_____________________________/ / \_____________________________\/ \_____________________________\/ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ Apple IIe, IIc, Mac 512K, Atari 800, 800XL, 1040ST, Falcon030, VCS, 5200, ColecoVision VGS, Commodore 64, 64C, 128, plus/4, Compaq suitcase PC, Eagle II, Epson HX-20, KayPro II, 4, Nintendo NES, Osborne Executive, TI 99/4A, Timex Sinclair 1000, 1500, TriGem SLT-100, TRS-80 Model I, III, 100, Color Computer 2.

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capturing legacy documentation

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Agreed... I have a scanner w/OCR and I'm perfectly willing to scan critical pages such as DIP switch/jumper settings, etc. but 500 pages of general usage instructions is a bit much. Kai > ---------- > From: Mr. Self Destruct[SMTP:more@camlaw.rutgers.edu] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 1997 10:44 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: capturing legacy documentation > > > I would agree with this as well, but it WILL be hard to find someone > who > has the space/time to scan a 500+ page manual... > > Les > >

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3B1 free to good home (fwd)

by pcoad＠crl.com

Found this in comp.sys.3b1. This is a nice machine, and the price is right if you are in the Los Angeles area. --pec -------------------------------------------------------------------------- AT&T UNIX PC (3B1) 1MB RAM 40MB Hard drive Manuals OS, GNU development tools Good condition. Free to good home. You pick up (Los Angeles area) or pay for shipping. Send e-mail to jim(a)lutefisk.jetcafe.org. Jim -- Jim Larson jim(a)lutefisk.jetcafe.org -- end of forwarded message --

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Trackstar 128 (RE: Name those cards game)

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

| Yes, sir! That's the card. If you'd like more info, I *think* these are | detailed in my 1989 Tandy Computer Catalog I have at home... Yep! Page 25, "Now you can run Apple IIc educational and game software on your Tandy 1000...with the TRACKSTAR 128 adapter. Imagine having the best of both worlds in one computer...Supports the use of Apple joysticks or game port devices such as Muppet Learning Keys. [???]" $399.95 Kai

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Current want list

by jeffh＠unix.aardvarkol.com

Here is a current want-list in case anyone happens aross any of it or has any of the stuff still stashed away and would like to part with it: 1) Mini-expander for Mattel Aquarius, as well as the data cable for the datasette and any software. 2) Commodore 1531 datasette drive for the C-16 or Plus/4 3) Speech Editor cartridge for the TI-99/4a 4) floppy controller, with or without drive, for a CoCo-3. If anyone knows the pinouts for the data cable for the Aquarius datasette, that'd also be a huge help. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Jeff jeffh(a)unix.aardvarkol.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Apple II+, Atari 800, 800XL, Mega-ST/2 and XE System, Commodore 128D, 16, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osborne Executive, Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3 and Model 4, plus Atari Superpong and 2600VCS game consoles.

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Epson HX20 Manuals...

by more＠camlaw.rutgers.edu

OK, lately, I have been placed in a sort of dilemna... Since my post on a IIe that I had aquired (where I mentioned also getting HX20 manuals and tapes) I have literally been deluged with e-mails/posts >from people asking for MY MANUALS ;) I contacted my aunt (the donater of said items) and learned that she still had the HX20 lying in the basement. ("You want THAT one too?") Since I now have a use for these manuals, here is my best solution to all you manual-less HX owners out there. For the greater good of the horribly addicted old and crappy computer collectors, I will grudgingly go to my nearest copying center and make copies (bound if desired) of my HX manuals available to you for cost. I know this is not the best/cheapest solution but I am trying not to play favorites here; this way everyone can be happy (or a reasonable facsimile thereof) and I can keep my manuals :) Anyone who is interested, feel free to contact me. A NOTE!!! Each manual (there are 2, parts 1 and 2 of course) weighs in at about 250+ pages each so that is something you might want to consider before agreeing to a copy; please don't waste my time, or yours... LeS more(a)crazy.rutgers.edu

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Great weekend for old computers!

by zmerch＠northernway.net

Due to massive amounts of caffeine & sleep deprivation, a bunch of people on this list said: >First off, I got two Apple ///+ machines in a thrift store!... yadda, yadda, yadda... [[ Editor's Note: I put this in the beginning so people wouldn't read the first half of the posting and flame the HEdoublehockeysticks out of me... Please read this with the tounge-in-cheek, winkie's throughout attitude with which it was written... tho unforch, it's sadly true....... ;-) ]] You people make me sick! Mr. I got 42 classic systems from one guy this, and Ms. I saw 18 fully loaded computers at the thrift shop that!!! I've had it up to here (imagine a hand held up above the head) with you weasels! Do any of you send your good fortune / good luck my way? NooOOooOOooOOoo! All I've seen the last three weekends of garage saleing is this: A non-functional Atari 5200 game system and 5 games for $5 USD. System worked but neither controller did... until a quick visit with Intern Victorinox to clean the connections... A follow-up visit with Dr. Dremel is in the works, but I've not had time. Altho, the system did come with the trackball controller, and as the SN# of the controller is 000786, I'm wondering if this item is relatively rare... My 7-year-old loves it (as does Dad...) and I feel it will stay in my collection for some time to come... Back to my rant, I finally got up the nerve/time to go visit the Salvation Army Thrift store on my lunch hour (the only T.S. in my town, AFAIK) and guess what the sum total of computer-stuffs I saw there: an HP (I think... no markings) LaserJet drum/toner cartridge. With no price, so they prolly wanted $8million 'cause they didn't know what it was. And I'm sure it wouldn't fit in my HPLJ5L (which BTW I paid full price for 'cause it was the first non-business-owned 5L in town). So, for all you "I get 77 like-new classic systems for a penny every weekend" I have but one thing to say: :-PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP At least the 3rd weekend in June, we'll be travelling 250 miles closer to civilization, and may be able to find some interesting buys there. I'll keep you posted. Also, see my next post. I think almost *everyone* will be happy with me when you read it. See ya, "Merch" -- Roger Merchberger | If at first you don't succeed, Programmer, NorthernWay | nuclear warhead disarmament should zmerch(a)northernway.net | *not* be your first career choice.

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Wanted: Amiga 500 internal floppy

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

This is a bit new for most of this group, but anyone have an internal floppy drive for an Amiga 500? And/or a dead Amiga 500 from which a floppy drive can be scavenged? thanks Kai

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Some more finds

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

| From: George Lin[SMTP:george.lin@documentum.com] | For many years, I thought Microsoft released Flight Simulator as their only | game. I was wrong. I found a game that Microsoft released for TRS-80 | Level 1 BASIC named Microsoft Olympic Decathlon. The game is on tape. | The manual is copyright 1980. It has the old Microsoft logo on it. Don't forget Microsoft Adventure, circa 1979, which was coded by Gordon "HPFS" Letwin himself. I still have the poster. Kai

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Eproms... you want 'em, he's got 'em!

by idavis＠comland.com

At 02:23 PM 6/2/97 -0400, Roger Merchberger wrote: >Mel Howard >M. C. Howard Electronics, Inc. >www.mchoward.com >E-mail: mchoward(a)prismnet.com >1-800-490-6896 >512-837-2525 >FAX512-837-3246 >I would recommend doing business with him, and I would be interested to >learn what other "artifacts" he has available... as you don't find many >folks with 1702's in stock, it would seem. > >Anyway, I hope this gets a few more classic machines working again... > >Thanks, >"Merch" >-- >Roger Merchberger | If at first you don't succeed, >Programmer, NorthernWay | nuclear warhead disarmament should >zmerch(a)northernway.net | *not* be your first career choice. > I went to the web page, and signed the guestbook. As a total coincidence, I got directions to the place. As it turns out, it is about 2 blocks from where I work. I will go visit the place, and see if he has any kind of "list of stuff", specifically old stuff. After I go visit, I will post a message and let you know what he's got that might be of interest. We know he has eproms, but I'll head over there and see what kind of supply he has. Isaac Davis idavis(a)comland.com indavis(a)juno.com

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another weekend tale: northstar, hp, cadr 6 & 7, et al

by frank＠5points.com

This is my first posting to the list. Reading about everyone else's exploits saving old systems, I have to add what I got myself into this past weekend. After responding to a usenet posting about an old computer, I discovered that the poster (who turned out to be a fellow MIT alum three states away, a fact at least tangentially relevant to some of what follows) was about to toss into the local landfill some old stuff he had stored in his basement. A nice guy, he had offered this stuff to everyone he knew, but (incredible as it may seem to this list) he found no takers. Some scheduled home reconstruction required he have the basement empty by June 1. I volunteered to drive the 3 hours one way and pick it up. So, for nothing but my time and the cost of gas, here's what I saved: 1) A Northstar Horizon. Nice condition. With 64k memory and compupro z80 boards. Plus system software (cpm and northstar dos), hard sector 5.25 floppies, and a cardboard box full of docs, including the system manuals, misc s-100 books, and even the documentation for Microsoft's Fortran-80 in its original funky rust colored vinyl binder. If anyone has any s-100 boards they can spare, and would be willing to sell, that could help expand this system beyond the cpu-memory-floppy controller basics it has now, I'd love to hear from them. 2) Two HP-86B's, with cp/m, modem et al cartridges, software for waveform and circuit analysis, plus another box full of docs. Unfortunately, no original external disk drives, so here's another thing I'm looking for, if anyone has them to spare. 3) TRS-80 Model II disk drive system. Has three 8" drives in a single enclosure. Haven't checked it out yet to see if it works. 4) The guts from both the CADR 6 and CADR 7 MIT Lisp Machines from the late '70s. These were the basis for the machines later from Symbolics. Actually, my new found friend decided to keep the steel racks for an as yet to be determined project <G>. This may have been just as well because I had no room to haul the two 6 foot tall cases back to my house. So I had to leave them behind, power supplies still attached. But I got all the internal boards, fans, cables et al from the lisp machines, including the two 5 foot tall back planes and a couple dozen boards measuring about 12" x 18" each. I'm going to try to get the cases too, but I'm not sure I'll be able to. The machines weren't running at the time he got them from someone at MIT. Steel racks or not, I may have just acquired myself a lifelong mission to search for someone who can make these work, since I'm out of my league here. Since this is a list devoted to classic computers, I don't need to go into details about the couple of 386's, monitors, and one or two hardware mutants (would you believe a Tandy-DEC hybrid?) that also got tossed into my Toyota. Altogether an interesting bunch of stuff. Frank Frank Peseckis frank(a)5points.com http://www.5points.com/

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Switch settings for Seattle Computer Products RAM card?

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Anybody have the switch settings for the Seattle Computer Products 16K Plus (SCP-16K) S-100 bus RAM card? thanks! Kai

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Great weekend for old computers!

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

I had a lot of great accomplishments this weekend on the classic computer front! First off, I got two Apple ///+ machines in a thrift store! Anyone have a copy of SOS for these suckers? Regarding my problems with the Apple II+ booting, I found another II+ for $20 and figured it would be easier to replace the whole system unit rather than the RAM (24 x $0.79 for 4116's) at that price. It works! So it wasn't the drives or controller cards causing the problem. I received my two North Star Horizons via UPS (a trade for a couple of TRS-80 Mod 100's and a C128), along with 50-60 diskettes and documentation. Got one of them up and running late last night, but need to find some RAM card docs (see separate mail on that). A friend at work gave me an Amiga 500, I set that up this weekend and played around a bit, that's a fun machine. Kai

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Tiger Learning Computer

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

And now, in the "the more things change, the more they stay the same" category, By now most of you have probably heard of the Tiger Learning Computer. It's an apple 2E clone that plugs into your tv and has rom carts for its programs. Let's see. Color, plugs into a tv, can be cartrige driven, less than 200 bucks US. *sigh* I think Commodore died too soon. The 64 was all this and more. Now if I could just find one of the little beasties... (the TLC, not the C=64 - it wouldn't be the same as the one that was MINE.) -- Jim Strickland jim(a)calico.litterbox.com -- "...It tells me that goose stepping morons like yourself should try reading books instead of burning them." -Dr. Henry Jones Sr. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

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A question...

by kevan＠motiv.co.uk

I've been given a challenge... and need some help.... Question: Which 80's home computer had an A-Z keyboard layout, and not QWERTY -- Kevan Old Computer Collector: http://staff.motiv.co.uk/~kevan/

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free stuff

by dastar＠crl.com

Hope someone can take advantage of some of this: ---#1--- I would like to see my Apple II+ system go to someone who would appreciate it. II+, 64K RAM, keyboard shift mod, 300 baud modem, 1 floppy drive, Taxan amber monochrome monitor, UCSD Pascal, various game software, Softline and SoftTalk magazines. Location: Ventura County, CA Merleen Gholdston -- ---#2--- A friend of mine forwarded this to me, unfortunately I have no cash. :( ------------------------------------------------------------------- * Alan Cruikshank * * HYPERWARE CONSULTING * * e-mail: <cshank(a)freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> * * http://freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~cshank * ------------------------------------------------------------------- *** This special offer is from: David M. Dantowitz, <david(a)dantowitz.com> If anyone wants a bunch of Apple II computers for Free (shipping from New Jersey) let me know. There's a bunch of II, IIc, and IIe computers, mono chrome and color monitors, extra drives, cables, printer boards, software and other stuff. They're about to be dumped into a dumpster, so if anyone has a desire for the machines and grade school software, let me know. ----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- ---#3--- I have about 30-35 servicable Apple IIes that need a home. My school district no longer needs them and I need to get rid of them quickly. If you are interested in more infomation email me or call me at 414-788-7600. John Bestul, Little Chute Area School District. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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stuff to pass along

by dastar＠crl.com

Auction Web is a crappy place to get old computer junk from, but there is a guy auctioning off an HP9000/300 and another guy with a Radio Shack Model 1 and Model 4 (TRS-80 I believe). The 9000 is going for (I forget how much) but the TRS-80s are at $26 but nobody has bid yet (the guy started it at $26 which is too much). If it doesn't sell someone can go in and make the guy an offer after the auction is over. You can get to auction web by going to http://www.ebay.com/aw Once you're there, search on item pzp53335 for the HP9000/300 and item zyl71421 for the TRS-80s. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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HELP!!! Apple IIe - doesn't work!

by more＠camlaw.rutgers.edu

This past weekend, my aunt cleaned out her basement and presented me with all the old computer stuff she had stored there. Not much but I did get an old XT and a pretty complete IIe system. First, here's what I got: About 5 feet of disks (apple II) of which about 25 or so were CP/M (?) About 10 feet of books including (and I don't know why) users manuals and tape software for an "Epson HX20 Notebook Computer" (didn't get the computer tho :( looks neat no the cover) Since I am new to Apple's and really don't know what I'm talking about I will "attempt" to describe the system I got. Whomever had it before my aunt really did a number on it; all the punch-out plates in the back are gone and numerous ribbon cables are coming out every little crevice! First the basics: It came with 2 Disk II Disk Drives which I am still not sure even work. OPening the iie up I find: CPU has been replaced (?) with a ZIPCHIP 4 (?) In slots: AUX: This is probabl;y the most interesting board. It says Ramworks II on it and has a piggyback board attached to it that I think is supposed to be a RGB board. 1: is empty 2: has a Grappler + Parallel Printer INterface 3: Empty 4: Mouse Interface 5: Empty 6: Disk II Interface 7: (This one stumps me) Its a pretty long board and attaches by way of a wire to a panel on the back that says "VIDEX" The panel has a toggle switch and two RCA ports that say "M" and "A" Is this another Video board? OK, here's the problem! When I turn it on......nothing happens! The enhanced light comes on (?) and all I get on the screen is a sqaure pattern of reversed @ sysmbols and such. What is this? Other than that, the computer beeps once before this appears and the drives just blink their lights real quick (no motor spins, etc.) What's wrong here guys? Thanks, Les

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Don't laugh - simple ][e questions

by nickc＠ladyland.demon.co.uk

Hi chaps... I just picked up an Apple ][e complete with DuoDisk box and orange monitor. Great thing is it also has also the DOS 3.3 manuals and disks and bits and pieces in their original packaging! All i paid for was the petrol (yeah, i'm in England!) to go over and pick it up. Opening up the case reveals that it has a number of cards plugged in including a memory expansion card - does anyone know what size RAM this gives me? how can i check (forgive me for i have not RTFM yet!). It seems to work fine, so my big question is can i use any old 5 1/4" disks in it? is it capable of formatting any old 5 1/4" disks? I ask for two reasons: 1) so i can make back-up copies of the DOS 3.3 disks and 2) so i can save stuff. TIA...Nick. -- Nick Challoner nickc(a)ladyland.demon.co.uk Aviation photographs at: http://www.ladyland.demon.co.uk "Bother" said Pooh, as he deleted his root directory.

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HELP with Apple II+ booting!

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

This seems to be the weekend for Apple II series boot problems! My Apple II+ will boot a diskette called the "Zardax Utilities" but it won't boot anything else. When I boot with the Zardax Utilities diskette, I get "APPLE II" on the screen, some disk activity, then the Zardax menu comes up. When I put in a different bootable diskette, I get "APPLE II" on the screen, and then after a moment's pause, a bunch of garbage characters are added. This happens with various bootable diskettes, including some brand-new shrinkwrapped Atarisoft games (whose docs say they are bootable). With the garbage on the screen, if I hit Shift/Break or Ctrl/Break or whatever, I can get to the ] BASIC prompt. I've switched out the Drive 1 and the diskette adapter card. Any idea what's wrong? thanks Kai

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TRS-80 Model 4P

by bm_pete＠ix.netcom.com

Greetings, I'm hoping for a little advice here: While scanning an auction web page (http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=hok055925) I found an item I have in the garage. which sold there for $76.50. This brings two questions to my mind: 1: Is it worth $76.50? 2: Would be unethical to email the non-winning bidders with an offer to sell my computer to them? _______________ Barry Peterson bm_pete(a)ix.netcom.com Husband to Diane, Father to Doug, Grandfather to Zoe and Tegan.

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Tandy TRS-80 Model 4's for UK collectors...

by kevan＠motiv.co.uk

Hi, I recieved the following email through my web site. I really don't have the room for these so if anybody is interested then feel free to contact him. (He does know I have forwarded this email.) Kevan ------- Forwarded Message

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Kaypro

by jeffh＠unix.aardvarkol.com

Here's an Email I recieved today, just in case any of you are interested. >To: JeffH >From: dasarno(a)aol.com >Date: 28 May 97 21:20:02 -0500 >Subject: Kaypro > > >Jeff - >I came across your name by reference the keyword Kaypro. I have a >mint condition Kaypro 10, all manuals, back-up disks. It looks like >it just came out of the box and works great. But, have absolutely no >use for it. Do you have any ideas? Is there an aftermarket or should >I donate it to some school computer lab. Thanks > >Don S. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Collector of Classic Computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, 800XL, MegaST-2, Commodore C-128D, Plus/4, VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Radofin Aquarius, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer 3, and Model IV. Also Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles

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PS/2

by groberts＠mitre.org

At 07:59 AM 5/30/97 -0400, Roger Merchberger wrote: >> especially when the PS/2's came out. The PS/2's had *no* way to hook an >> internal 5.25" floppy > >Does the PS/2 not have any 5.25" drive bays? Weird. :) remember that at the time the PS/2 came out IBM was trying to re-assert their lead in the industry (they largely failed). they decided to move to a completely new architecture which they hoped would set a new standard (e.g. 3.5" floppy; Microchannel; VGA graphics). the microchannel failed because they tried to license the technology, but people found ways to breathe life into the old ISA bus instead. the small floppy and VGA were obviously successes, but IBM underestimated the need for backward compatibility to the larger floppies (obvious in hindsight). - glenn

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HELP with Apple II+ booting!

by BigLouS＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-05-29 21:36:06 EDT, shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca (Tim Shoppa) writes: > The chips aren't hard to find or replace, it's just that I've seen > neophytes smoke a half-dozen drives in a matter of minutes while > swapping cables around. (Yes, i've smoked a couple myself.) I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one frying Disk II's although I only seem to fry the 74LS125's on the drive. Lou

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monitors for use with old computers.

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

The Commodore 1084 is a versatile, inexpensive monitor on the used market. It has composite, Y/C, analog and digital RGB inputs with front-panel switching, as well as built-in audio (the 1084S is stereo). The Commodore 1702 is an older model that should be even cheaper. It has composite and Y/C connections switchable only on the rear panel, and monaural built-in audio. I'm sure both of the above were available in PAL versions, probably with the same features. Many older systems can be wired to use Y/C connections (e.g. Atari 8bit, C64) by using a custom cable on the video DIN connector instead of the Ch3/4 TV output. Y/C connections (also known as S-video) will yield a _much_ higher quality picture. The Commodore monitors use dual RCA connectors instead of the mini-DIN4 connector more commonly associated with S-video, but electrically it's the same. If you had a newer system with S-video output (e.g. PlayStation/Saturn) it would be simple to make a mini-DIN4-to-dual-RCA adapter cable. I use a Commodore 1084S for my Amiga, Atari ST and IBM CGA/EGA applications; a (ultra cool) Samsung GXTV (http://sosimple.com/gxtv.htm) for various systems, including those that have only Ch3/4 output (e.g. Mattel Aquarius, Timex-Sinclair ZX) and for watching TV in the computer room :), and a Sony PVM-2030 broadcast stacking monitor for the modern video game systems. I'd like to find a Sony GVM-1311Q, which is a 13" monitor that accepts composite, Y/C, digital and analog RGB, the latter at up to 1024x768. That covers just about everything except Hercules Mono. Kai > ---------- > From: Pete Robinson[SMTP:Pete@madhippy.demon.co.uk] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 1997 12:15 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: monitors for use with old computers. > > I'm fairly new to the collecting scene and I'm looking for a monitor I > can use with some of my systems. I'm mainly interested in the 8bit > home > computers, spectrum, c64, atari, dragon, bbc etc > > I'd like to know if there is a particular type of monitor that can be > used on the above machines. I'd like to buy, say one, I can use with > all > of the above. > > I know there seems to have been a few different methods used in > producing the video signals and, from reading newsgroups, I get the > impression that it is sometimes possible to select video > outputs/monitor > inputs such that, even if the monitor is not directly compatible, a > reasonable result can be obtained. > > Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. > -- > Pete Robinson > pete(a)madhippy.demon.co.uk > http://www.madhippy.demon.co.uk - faqs, emulators, links, web > utilities. >

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FS on Ebay: HP 86, Apple IIe, IIc

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

I'm cleaning out my closet due to financial need. (and lack of time and space). I put 3 computers on the auction yesterday: ? HP 86 Computer, Drives, Modules ? http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=otr9161 ? Apple IIe Computer, Duo Drive, 64K ? http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=cjt6509 ? Apple IIC Computer ? http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=znb774144 Much more to come. I'm seriously cleaning house over the next few weeks.

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Recent Finds & RE: laser discs...

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

Recent finds... Been adding to the Atari collection, last weekend snagged a 410 tape recorder for 99 cents, noticed a bit of rattling and discovered a plastic part had fallen off the rewind key mechanism (it triggers a reed switch, probably to mute the signal when rewinding.) glue or tape should fix it. Now all I have to do is find those games I have... I think I have a Telengard tape that has atari on it, I wonder how it will compare to the 64 version... And I also have an Automated Simulations game somewhere (the science fiction one like apshai?), it could have an Atari version on it as well... I might have a possible candidate for a power supply for the growing Atari collection (from a thrift store with a table full of various PSs, and mention of boxes more in the back, gotta check there more often!), it is a 9V AC 1.6 amp supply... so, how much difference is there between 1.6 and 1.7 amps? The least rated supply (listed in the Atari FAQ) to run on an 800/1200XL is a 1.7 amp, can the 1.6 cause problems? (I have yet to try this as the plug is the too small and I will have to solder on a more suitable one for it to work.) Also got an 810 drive, did a power test tonite, the disk went through a 'seek' of some sort (still one PS and no disks, so it's best I can do for now) Now I have disk drives that match the 1200XL and 800! Speaking of the 1200XL I mentioned earlier the keyboard was not functional, a fellow user on the comp.sys.atari.8bit newsgroup suggested checking the keyboard connector, and by-jimminy, it was loose! (Now who would open a perfectly good computer...well..ok, who wouldn't open a perfectly good computer. *grin*.) Books,tapes,disks are nowhere to be found for the Atari (at thrift shops/book stores/flea markets), so far (since a month or two ago) not a one spotted, and I thought Commodore books were hard to find. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Monochrome monitors are pretty cheap out there, picked up a basic Zenith green screen for someone for $2.95, saw a few more similarly priced. -=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- My best find of the week: one thrift store had a 128D unit sans keboard (a 128D is a Commodore C128 computer with built-in 1571 disk drive, latest ROMs, and 64k video RAM) for $7.00. I figured it would be a great 'parts source' for my flat C128 (which has only 16k VRAM and old ROMs), I assumed the 128D was DOA, only to discover it is functional, the drive seems ok too! (booted a CP/M system disk and Renegade, two disks with 128 boot sectors I knew of). Now I'm gonna have to scrounge/hack up a 128D keyboard. (dang it all!) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- RE: Laser Discs >From: bm_pete(a)ix.netcom.com (Barry Peterson) >Subject: Re: More p-code (was: Re: Another weekend haul story > On Tue, 27 May 1997 20:06:29 -0700 (PDT), someone said: >>Also, anyone remembers TI's videodisc controller card? I remember some of >>the ads and catalogs saying something to the effect of "The Videodisc=20 >>controller is for industrial use only, it is not for use in the home" >It's PHP 2300 "Video Controller", and listed in 1982 for $699.95! (I >didn't buy one) I got a couple LDs from thrift shops the first ($20) was the great grandaddy Magnavox 8000, still has major tracking problems but it can't interface to anything anyway. The second ($9.95!) is a Poineer 6010? Anyway, it is an 'industrial grade' LD player (had an Armstrong Flooring disc in it). I have some articles for LD interfacing: one for the VIC-20 in a 1982 COMPUTE! and one I think for RS-232 in a 1983 BYTE; but this LD player already has an RS-232 inteface built-in so that point is moot... I am waiting to bail it out of repairs (very minor ones fortunately). Anyone got a Dragon's Lair LD lying around??? Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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HELP with Apple II+ booting!

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Still no joy on the Apple II+ boot problem. The machine appears to definitely have 48K RAM; at least the NEC chips have "416" on them. Any way I can tell in BASIC? I have 3 disk controllers and 3 drives. The disk controllers have 2 different ROM versions; one is half copyrighted 1979 and half 1981, while the other is all 1981. The card model is 650-X104. There's another ID number, one is 820-0006-02 and the other card is 820-0006-D. Help!!!! Kai > ---------- > From: Eric Fischer[SMTP:eric@fudge.uchicago.edu] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 10:02 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: HELP with Apple II+ booting! > > kaikal(a)MICROSOFT.com says, > > > My Apple II+ will boot a diskette called the "Zardax Utilities" but > it > > won't boot anything else. > ... > > When I put in a different bootable diskette, I get "APPLE II" on the > > screen, and then after a moment's pause, a bunch of garbage > characters > > are added. > > My best guess is that maybe you have a 13-sector (DOS 3.2) disk > controller and one 13-sector disk (the one that works), and the > rest of your disks are 16-sector so the 13-sector controller > doesn't know what to do with them. Unfortunately I can't remember > where to peek to find out the DOS or controller version number, > so I don't know how you could verify this. > > The other alternative is that if your Apple II+ has less than 48k > of memory, the other disks may be expecting a 48k system and loading > DOS into a part of memory that doesn't exist on your computer. The > Zardax Utilities disk may be one with a relocatable DOS image on it > (a "master" disk) created with "MASTER CREATE" and the rest are just > plain fixed-address disks. This would certainly explain why random > junk was getting loaded into video memory instead of where it belongs. > > eric >

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monitors for use with old computers.

by Pete＠madhippy.demon.co.uk

I'm fairly new to the collecting scene and I'm looking for a monitor I can use with some of my systems. I'm mainly interested in the 8bit home computers, spectrum, c64, atari, dragon, bbc etc I'd like to know if there is a particular type of monitor that can be used on the above machines. I'd like to buy, say one, I can use with all of the above. I know there seems to have been a few different methods used in producing the video signals and, from reading newsgroups, I get the impression that it is sometimes possible to select video outputs/monitor inputs such that, even if the monitor is not directly compatible, a reasonable result can be obtained. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. -- Pete Robinson pete(a)madhippy.demon.co.uk http://www.madhippy.demon.co.uk - faqs, emulators, links, web utilities.

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Seen on web: ads of interest to this list

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Found these ads on the web, they might be of interest to some! ANTIQUE DATA GENERAL LAPTOP FOR SALE Data General MODEL NO. 2217A. I have a Data General One laptop (Model No. 2217A) with full size Expansion Chassis, and several original manuals and programs -- Lotus 1-2-3 Rel. 1A, Microsoft Multiplan, DGBlast (communications), GW-Basic, Programmers Manual, Flight Simulator II, and Ashton-Tate Framework. Laptop has 512 mg memory, dual 720 floppies (max available on machine at time; no internal hard drives in this generation). Expansion chassis has 4 available slots and a bay for a full-size hard drive. Purchased new in 1986. This is clearly an antique, and might be of interest to DG freaks (if there are any) or computer museums; this was one of first clam shell laptops. Interested? Please reply directly to Al J. Daniel, Jr.by e-mail.mailto:adnyc@ix.netcom.com SEAGATE 8 INCH HDD FOR SALE Used SEAGATE 8 inch HDD -- condition unknown. Any interest.E-mail. ice8(a)eosinc.com

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Another weekend haul story

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Well, thanks to a mobile GPS, I managed to visit 30 thrifts in one day this weekend, and ended up with: - Atari 400 - IBM Portable PC 5155 - Two more Osborne 1's (for trade) - An Indus GT floppy drive for Atari 8bit (this is the best Atari 8bit drive ever made!) - Apple Disk II new in box - Another TRS-80 Model I (system unit only) - Atari 1040ST and SC124 mono monitor (floppy wasn't working but I fixed it--I think) - Another Mac 128 (with bad floppy, I have the parts to fix) - Pile of diskettes for the TRS-80 Model 4/4P, including original TRSDOS, SCRIPSIT, ZORK I, etc. - Manuals for my TRS-80 Model 4P - Some shrink wrapped games for the Apple II, Atari 8bit, and C64 - TI 99/4A "P-Code Module", whatever the heck that is (goes in the expansion bay) - Atari 65XE game computer - Atari 7800 ProSystem with PS, RF adapter and 3 joysticks - Colecovision driving expansion module Kai

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Current for trade/wanted list

by josh＠netins.net

I am intrested in the macs, the 128 & 512. How much? I do have a few dos 3.3 master disks for the II series (the origional apple disks!). Intrested? I'll try to dig them out! Josh M. Nutzman +----------------------------------------------+ |"Life is like a river, you go with the flow...| | but in the end you usually end up dammed." | | -The Red Green Show | +----------------------------------------------+

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Forgot one more! UK folks pls comment (RE: Another weekend

by jonathan＠holly.ninja.ml.org

> Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 10:04:36 -0700 > From: Kai Kaltenbach <kaikal(a)MICROSOFT.com> > Almost forgot - I also picked up an Apricot F2. For those in the > US, this is one bizarre machine. It's only about 7" wide, 4" tall [...] > > Any additional information -- and pointers to a boot disk -- > appreciated! If you (or anybody else) want, I can copy your message into the Fidonet "APRICOT" support echo. There aren't all that many messages in there at the moment, but I am sure that there are still folk with working Apricot machines, that would be glad to help. Let me know, and I'll post your messages in there for you, and forward replies either to this list, or back to you personally. Best wishes, ___ _ _ ___ _ _| (_)(\)(-) | (-)(-)(\)

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HELP!!! Apple IIe - doesn't work!

by BigLouS＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-05-27 23:56:45 EDT, you write: > Should I take one of the video cards out? Are they supposed to BOTH be in > there? If when you boot the machine it comes up with Apple IIe then you have an enhanced IIE. If it says Apple II then you have an unenhanced IIe. Part of the enhancement upgrade involved replacing roms on the motherboard so perhaps the upgrade was done improperly (unlikely). Pulling cards is the best way to isolate the problem. First pull the videx card. If that doesn't solve the problem then pull the AE card, the mouse card and finally the printer card. If your still having problems then you may want to replace the Zip chip with a stock 65C02 (an enhanced IIe uses a 65C02 rather than a 6502). If you still have problems then you may want to try a different controller card or just throw the thing out the window. :-) Lou

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Terak's (was: Re: Another weekend haul story

by zmerch＠northernway.net

Whilst in a self-induced trance, Charles P. Hobbs happened to blather: >Hey, DOS *is* CP/M as far as I'm concerned (look how long it took to >kick that 8.3 filename habit! :-) It is not easy to calculate how long it took for them to kick the habit, as the habit has not yet been kicked... think of it as still being on the nicotine patch. The long filenames of Win95 are only a *bunch* of 8.3 filename placeholders conveniently disguised to the end user. Wanna waste a whole weekend over nothing? Run MS-DOS 6.22's scandisk/defrag on a Win95 volume and see how long it takes you to straighten that mess out... it's easier to reformat and reinstall. HTH, "Merch" -- Roger Merchberger | If at first you don't succeed, Programmer, NorthernWay | nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* zmerch(a)northernway.net | be your first career choice.

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Atari 800 XL (fwd)

by bill＠booster.bothell.washington.edu

If you're looking for an Atari you might want to talk to this guy. Bill ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 18:29:18 -0700 From: Steve <stevemr2(a)televar.com> To: bill(a)booster.bothell.washington.edu Subject: Atari 800 XL Hi Bill I have an Atari 800 XL along with several cartridges, tapes with programs and the 1010 player. This machine is like new as I take care of my equipment. I haven't used it for several years and have been thinking about selling everything. Even back then I saw how computers were advancing and I decided not to try to keep up. Last year I finally decided to buy a new computer. Quantex with P133, 2.1 gig HD, etc. I was into the computer thing in the late 50's early 60's when still a kid. If you know of anyone who would be interested in this equipment, which is in cherry condition and all power supplies, cables etc come with it along with several programs on tape (Zaxxon, Chess, Slot Machine, Sky Chart, E-Factor and LOTS more), several carts (Missile Command, Donkey Kong, Defenders...and more). Thanks....................Steve From: Steve Hagensicker <---<----->---> stevemr2(a)televar.com Homepage: Netsurfer Central <-----> http://www.televar.com/~stevemr2/

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Forgot one more! UK folks pls comment (RE: Another weekend haul story)

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Almost forgot - I also picked up an Apricot F2. For those in the US, this is one bizarre machine. It's only about 7" wide, 4" tall and 16" deep. It has a wireless infrared keyboard and wireless hand-held trackball! I never knew these were sold in the United States. It's marked 60Hz so it's not an import. About all I know about it is from a couple of web references -- 1985, 8086 CPU, 512K RAM, dual 720K drives, ran a modified OEM version of MS-DOS. Any additional information -- and pointers to a boot disk -- appreciated! thanks Kai > ---------- > From: Kai Kaltenbach > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 9:40 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Another weekend haul story > > Well, thanks to a mobile GPS, I managed to visit 30 thrifts in one day > this weekend, and ended up with: > > - Atari 400 > - IBM Portable PC 5155 > - Two more Osborne 1's (for trade) > - An Indus GT floppy drive for Atari 8bit (this is the best Atari 8bit > drive ever made!) > - Apple Disk II new in box > - Another TRS-80 Model I (system unit only) > - Atari 1040ST and SC124 mono monitor (floppy wasn't working but I > fixed > it--I think) > - Another Mac 128 (with bad floppy, I have the parts to fix) > - Pile of diskettes for the TRS-80 Model 4/4P, including original > TRSDOS, SCRIPSIT, ZORK I, etc. > - Manuals for my TRS-80 Model 4P > - Some shrink wrapped games for the Apple II, Atari 8bit, and C64 > - TI 99/4A "P-Code Module", whatever the heck that is (goes in the > expansion bay) > - Atari 65XE game computer > - Atari 7800 ProSystem with PS, RF adapter and 3 joysticks > - Colecovision driving expansion module > > Kai >

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bringing heath 120 back to life

by groberts＠mitre.org

i'm trying to fire up the old Heath H-120. it seems to have "forgotten" how to see the floppy disk controller, i get: DEVAULT DEVICE CONTROLLER ERROR i've checked quite a few things (e.g. reseat card and chips, look for cold solder joits, etc. - see my more extensive posting on comp.sys.zenith.z100). it seems like maybe getting hold of another H207 card (floppy controller) would be worth trying - or maybe even a whole Z100 system for swapping parts. are these still showing up at auctions? (DOD was of course a big Z100 customer). How do i find out about these auctions? anyone know of a source for spares or help with this sort of thing? thanks. - glenn +=========================================================+ | Glenn F. Roberts, Falls Church, VA | Comments are my own and not the opinion of my employer | groberts(a)mitre.org

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New Finds...

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

Saturday my wife had chanced upon a Commodore 64 system (computer, 1541 drive, cables, power supply) whith some books & magazines. Since the flea market was closing there was a final offer of $10.00. Needless to say I bought it (for $8.36, all the change I had left), mainly because it was worth $10.00 for the stuff and the disks, books, and magazines caught my attention. Besides the system I got a users guide for the computer and drive, a programmer's reference guide, and a couple software manuals. Many of the disks seem to be copies of stuff, I'll have to scan them to see if there are any lost treasures... The Magazines included 6 Commander magazines from 1983/84 (this is the first time I've had the opportunity to flip though this publication.), Commodore Power/Play June/July 84, a Popular Computing and a Personal Computing magazine (the latter two have very little Commodore coverage and were talking about the Apple II and IBM as on even playing fields.) Also a Scholastic K-Power Collection of computer programs, "10 awsome/original/unusual/super/fantastic/computer puzzles and games" The computer seems to be dead ('m glad he didn't sell it to someone for the $50 he was asking for it), the drive is in great shape (as it helped copy many disks for me today) and the magazines are facinating. In the Magazines: I finally saw an ad for the OSCAR bar code reader, looked good to me, one argument they had in the ad was the unreliability of tapes, heck, I have tapes older than that ad that still work, but it would be cool to have a bar code reader for my computer(s). The issue of Popular Computing had a review on the Jupiter Ace 4000 (looks kinda like a Sinclair ZX80, but has FORTH as it's built-in language) Pretty in-depth too, 5 pages long with a screen shot and an overview of the differences of ACE FORTH to other FORTH standards. The K-power is kinda a rosetta stone of BASICs with similar programs for Adam, Apple, Atari, Commodore 64, IBM PC, TI-99/4A, TRS-80 Color Computer/Model III/4, and VIC-20. Some programs deal with at least low-res graphics and another with music. Later on I fondled a Compupro 10 at a thrift shop, like like it was a multi-user machine with 4 console ports, 3 printer ports, a SCSI/SASI port and an 8" drive port (to compliment it's two 5.25" drives bays it already has. Will have to browse the web and see if I can see what it was about. Larry Anderson -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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'Uniform' from Micro Solutions, 1986

by jeffh＠unix.aardvarkol.com

I pulled out a disk I had sitting here which I totally forgot I had. It's the program 'Uniform', version 2.02, from Micro Solutions and is copywrited 1986. This is the PC version, and I hadn't tried it before because it's been quite a long time since I had a PC with the 5-1/4" drives. Well, I installed it onto the MS-DOS 2.11 boot disk copy I keep with the IBM 5155 and began trying different CP/M formats with it, including Kaypro 4 and Osbourne Executive formats. It read both formats flawlessly, though I've not tried formatting an Osbourne or Kaypro disk on the PC and then reading it on the real machine since Uniform does that as well. The leaflet which comes with the disk says that on an XT, the program supports 110 different CP/M formats, while on an AT it supports 160 (I'm assuming with a HD disk drive). I knew that I could read a number of different CP/M formats using CP/M 3.0 on the C-128, but hadn't given this program much attention before. Is there anyone out there who still uses this program for data exchange? Jeff jeffh(a)unix.aardvarkol.com <--- new address ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Collector of Classic Computers: Amiga 1000, Amiga 3000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari MegaST-2, Commodore C-128, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer 3, TRS-80 Model IV Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles

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TRS-80 Model 4P

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

> On Mon, 26 May 1997, Barry Peterson wrote: > Gee, it's started already 8-( No, it started a long time ago. > No, it worth about $0.50. Of course, you have all the documentation, and > the disks that go with it. That might make it worth $1.50. It's worth what someone will pay for it. Nobody is forcing anyone to pay "too much" for anything. It's called supply and demand. > It's much better to get rid of it locally - $25 and it yours. Come pick it > up! Better for you, better for it. Nice if you can find someone locally to take it off your hands. Why do you think there are so many computers at the thrift stores with garage sale price tags on them. The general public doesn't want them. > > 2: Would be unethical to email the non-winning bidders with an offer > > to sell my computer to them? > > Only to those of us who want to preserve the beasts - rather than sell > them off for a profit. I don't think there's any harm in trying to get a fair price for anything. We're not talking about selling food to starving people at ridiculous prices and this stuff is selling way below it's original cost. As more of this stuff is trashed and recycled, it's just the way it works. Best thing to do is get your stuff while it's still cheap. Then someday, if you ever get rid of it you can donate it to a needy collector and feel really good about it. I'd really like to pick up a 1964 mustang convertible for $500 but those greedy bastards want more than they cost new! Can you imagine? All I want to do is preserve it.

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