In a message dated 97-06-13 16:35:47 EDT, Ray Stricklin wrote:
> I'm just curious, but what's special about the MX-80?
The MX-80 was the first low cost RELIABLE dot matrix printer and made
printing an affordable reality for we poor early micro users. The Paper Tiger
was (to the best of my memory) the first low cost ($995, again to the best of
my memory) micro dot matrix printer. Unfortunately it was NOT very reliable.
BTW after my post on collecting printers I suddenly realized I have about 12
lying around so I guess I am sort of collecting them - but it's against my
will. :-)
Lou
Opens tomorrow. Should be fun!:
"Boston, MA (May 23) - On June 14, 1997, The Computer Museum re-creates the
dawn of the PC age through a lifesize reconstruction of a 1970s' hacker's
garage and vintage personal computing artifacts. ... The Museum draws on
artifacts from its rich collection, including an Apple I and Altair 8800,
to recall the garages of 1970s' hobbyists who assembled "homebrew"
computers ... Rich in period detail, the "garage" is cluttered with an
oscilloscope, a ham radio, an old TV tube, 1970s' issues of Byte magazine,
a drum set, a guitar and photos of Mick Jagger and the Beatles. The relics
- including two early personal computers and two video games - recall a
pivotal time when computers began to serve as consumer items ..."
for the full article see:
http://www.tcm.org/info/press/wpr-hgarage.html
- glenn
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| Glenn F. Roberts, Falls Church, VA
| Comments are my own and not the opinion of my employer
| groberts(a)mitre.org
Well, darn it, I tried, but I just can't get the silly thing to work!
Ok... first volunteer who feels like visiting Kent, WA (yes, Bill, that's
a big hint, especially since I CC'd you on this... <g>) can have this
beast. It's an STC/StorageTek 9-track tape drive, model 2921. When working,
it can do 1600 and 6250 (GCR), sits in a standard 19" rack, has a Pertec
interface, and weighs about 100 lbs. or so.
Notice I say 'when working.' I tried to get it to going, but it seems to
have a sick CPU card. I kind of hate to get rid of it, but I need the space
more than I do the drive and a new CPU card was quoted as being around $800
(yikes! My skylight blinds are going to cost that much!)
Come to think of it, if anyone's got a working dual-density drive that
they feel like getting rid of, I would love to know about it. ;-)
Thanks in advance. E-mail or call me at (253) 639-9555 for details.
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human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
At 01:56 PM 6/13/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Say someone had a nice, working IMSAI 8080 in decent condition. How
>much, realistically, could one expect to sell this for?
Haddock lists it at 150-225... (Values are for complete systems, with
everything that came with it, but not boxes, and not nec. working.)
>Victor 9000, working...how much?
I paid $100 + tax for mine. Took me a while to find it, too.
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While Isaac Davis wrote:
Wait a minute, it was an Olivetti, but I can't remember the
>> model. The coolest part was turning the lights off when it was printing and
>> watching the sparks fly across the paper as it printed. That's a printer I
>> would like to have again.
At 21:28 12/06/97 -0600, Jeff wrote:
>Y' know, I seems to me that some of these 'sparky' dot matrix
>printers used aluminized "thermal" paper.
No Jeff, this Olivetti "sparkling" system was different and was not using
thermal-conductive (=aluminium) paper (at least the one I know); was a real
DRY INK JET.
The "bullet-shaped" cartridge was containing the DRY INK (a sort of TONER)
and a high-voltage electric field was made between the rubber(but conductive)
roll, and the head. In this way the particles of positive electrically
charged toner is "aimed" to go against the negative charged roll, but in
between there is the paper (common paper), so the electricity pass, but ink
stay.
>I used to have a stack of
>old machine runs on such paper, and I remember certain cheesy
>cash-registers using the same kind of paper tape (about 1981 or so .
also this DRY system was widely used by Olivetti on desktop financial
calculator (I have one working) and cash-registers
I think that the system was good for those applications (fast,quite
silent,working on common paper instead thermal and..yes,cool in the dark)
but the problem was the powder spread all around the printing bay of the
machine, so when bubble jet came out...
Sorry for my instinctive and not-checked english.
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> Aha! YUV is something I recognize now. I believe this is what broadcast
> professionals call component video. (Let's see if I'll be right one out of
> two.)
>
> > The signals are transmitted this way in broadcast TV to ensure
> > compatibility between colour and BW tellies. They are also the signals
> > that would normally be sent to a TV (UHF or VHF) modulator from the
> > computer, hence their presence on the video connector.
>
> Hmmm... any modulator I've ever worked on had a composite input. Is this
> maybe more common in European systems?
Hmm. I'm getting out of my depth at this point. I've not dealt in
detail with many colour modulators but I recall the Sinclair Spectrum
had YUV as opposed to RGB on its expansion port.
The computer obviously uses RGB internally (although I don't see why one
couldn't design a machine to do YUV instead!) and it has to be converted
to YUV at some stage in the modulation process. My guess (no evidence
to back this up) is that the more expensive modulators - the ones one is
likely to be able to buy for one's own projects - accept composite, but
many mass-producing manufacturers got away with a cheaper modulator by
putting the conversion in the (custom) chip in the video circuitry.
Philip.
Found this in comp.os.cpm. It is on the wrong side of the country
for me.
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* Originally By: Calvin Krusen (Local BBS)
* Originally To: All
* Originally Re: Kaypro 2 For sale
* Original Area: General Interest
While cleaning the basement of the company I work for, I found a
Kaypro 2 "portable" PC. Its blue with an integrated 5" green
monitor and two 5-1/4" disk drives. On power up, it tries to boot
>from one of the drives and displays a message on the display to
insert system disk.
I'm not looking for any money for it, just a good home.
It weighs about 27 lbs, so you would have to pick up the shipping
>from Warrington, PA (just outside Philadelphia).
I'll give one week for responses then it goes in the trash.
Email me direct at ckrusen(a)erols.com or call me at my place of work\
215/343-6600 x122.
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At 07:47 PM 6/12/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I noticed their web page and it looks like a pretty good collection!
>One thing I didn't see there was information about how it got started,
>who was involved, what kind of a group it is, etc. Can you help out and
>fill in the blanks? Thanks!
Okay, let me put in a disclaimer that a) I have a horrible memory and b) I'm
not super involved in the day-to-day stuff (I've spent the last 2 years
dealing with the passing of my mother and taking care of my father among
other disasters -- the best thing in the last two years has been having to
have my entire sewer system replaced because of tree roots completely
clogging it.) (Oh, and a general disclaimer that I really don't know as
much as people seem to think I do.)
Anyway, what happened is Kip Crosby realized that much of our history was
disappearing as companies tossed their old, non-pc systems in favor of
Gateway 2000's et al. I think this came about because he replaced Brenda
(his older, multi-user micro (IMS? something like that)) with PC's. Being a
realist, however, he decided to concentrate on California computers only (A
daunting task in and of itself). I think he hoped to see other orgs
covering other areas in the future.
I knew Kip from eons ago (early 80's) when we were on a couple of Fido
BBS's. He rang me and a couple others up and we got together, tossed around
the ideas. He got going on it, and I signed on as Secretary. I must admit,
though, that I kinda left most of it in his capable hands. (I trust him to
do it right.)
The focus (from what I see) right now is research and the Analytical Engine
(the magazine). Also, collecting/cataloging classic computers. Right now,
the collection (which I'm pretty sure is not fully represented on the web
pages) exists in a bunch of containers in San Jose. There are plans for a
museum at some point, as well as exhibits.
The coup d'grace (is that the right word?) for CHAC was saving the SDS 930
>from Colorado. This is a Mainframe built in (IIRC) 1963 here in California.
It was then sent to Colorado for NASA? to use, and ended up doing something
with Weather. It was in use up to a few years ago, and was going to be
scrapped, but Kip worked his tail off to save it and bring it out here where
it will become the centerpiece of the assn's displays.
Hmmm... Perhaps I should pass this on to Kip himself before I pass on too
much misinformation... 8^)
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Due to massive amounts of caffeine & sleep deprivation, Kai Kaltenbach said:
> | And if we caught anybody throwing anything out we'd jump out
>of the back
> | of the van and beat them senseless (and then pick their stuff
>out of the
> | trash)
> | LeS
>
>No need for violence... we'll just go to their house and throw out their
>Pentium :)
>Kai
No... you've got that wrong... we'll go to their house and *steal* their
Pentium, so that we can sell it on the black market for money to buy more
classic computers with!!!! ;^>
"Merch"
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Programmer, NorthernWay | nuclear warhead disarmament should
zmerch(a)northernway.net | *not* be your first career choice.
In my previous message I wrote (re: meanings of video signals),
> The other two signals are the quadrature components of chrominance.
> They are derived from Y by subtracting red and blue, and are normally
> called U and V (in some order).
>
> The colour telly receives U and V phase modulated onto a subcarrier (I
> think). The hue control on American tellies sets the baseline against
> which phase is measured here. (In Europe, the PAL system reverses the
> phase each line, so any hue errors should cancel out)
Before someone like Tony jumps down my throat, U and V are _amplitude_
modulated onto the subcarrier, in quadrature with one another. Thus the
phase of the subcarrier gives the hue, and its amplitude the saturation.
I hope you are not any more confused than before :-)
Philip.
| And if we caught anybody throwing anything out we'd jump out
of the back
| of the van and beat them senseless (and then pick their stuff
out of the
| trash)
| LeS
No need for violence... we'll just go to their house and throw out their
Pentium :)
Kai
You can find the info on
http://www.research.ibm.com/quantuminfo/teleportation/
:)
Kai
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> From: Marvin[SMTP:marvin@rain.org]
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 1997 10:10 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: IBM Transporter
>
> In looking at Bill's collection on the Web, I noticed a reference to
> the
> IBM Transporter. I found a card that had those words on it and am
> curious what this thing is, what it does, is software required, etc.
> Thanks.
>
Bill:
You have a great listserver here, and I'm glad I've subscribed. I'm going
to assume (and yes, I know the consequences <g>) that advertising a
special-interest listserve is o.k. provided it's within the realm of this
list.
Well, they are. I have started two listservers, one of which used to be
*very* popular in it's heyday (which, unforch, has passed it seems) and the
other solely because there wasn't one.
The first is a replacement for Andrew Diller's Model 100/102/200 listserve,
and one can subscribe by going to the web page at:
http://home.northernway.net/~zmerch/signupform.html
or sending an e-mail to m100-request(a)list.northernway.net with "subscribe"
(no quotes) in the _Subject:_ of the message. To send messages to the list,
e-mail m100(a)list.northernway.net.
The second is my own creation, because there was no Tandy Model 600
listserver. It can be accessed thru it's web page at:
http://home.northernway.net/~zmerch/signupm600.html
or sending an e-mail to m600-request(a)list.northernway.net with "subscribe"
(no quotes) in the _Subject:_ of the message. To send messages to the list,
e-mail m600(a)list.northernway.net.
I don't have to mention to anyone just how wonderful these lists can be for
information... If you're interested in these machines, come on in and join
the fun!
Thanks for the bandwidth,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
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Programmer, NorthernWay | nuclear warhead disarmament should
zmerch(a)northernway.net | *not* be your first career choice.
I haven't received any new issues of the Classic Computer mailings since
June 7th. Is there anything wrong? This has happened before, maybe it's
my mail provider. Should I sign off and re-register as a new member of
the list?
> At 09:24 AM 6/11/97 -0700, Sam wrote:
> >On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, James Willing wrote:
> >
> >> Mayhaps, as a parallel to the 'Classic Computer Index", we need to
> develop
> >> a 'Classic Computer Collectors Index' so that we know where others are
> >> when things like this pop up so that we could have some local options.
<snip>
> >> Or am I just dreaming out loud?
> >
> >Not at all. This is a terrific idea! I nominate Bill Whitson to
> >formulate this list :)
I think that we should take this a little more seriously. I propose that we
form regional SWAT teams. In the event of a classic computer crisis the
nearest SWAT team would be dispatched. Ideally each team would be comprised
of individuals who each had a separate area of expertise, i.e. Apple II,
Coco, TI, etc. Rescued computers could then be placed in foster homes until
caring, loving permanent homes could be found. :-)
Lou
Here's one for the printer books. I had a printer for my atari 800 that we
order out of the DAK catalog. It used a little cartridge shaped like a
bullet with a contact on the end. The printer would fire a spark and
actually burn the dots onto the paper to make the characters. It was
relatively slow, but considering it had to make about 9 passes to form a row
of characters it did pretty well. I can still remember the burning smell
everytime you would print something out. It was really a neat little
printer, and I can't for the life of me figure out why we got rid of it. I
still have the driver disk for it, but the actual name of the thing escapes
me right now. Wait a minute, it was an Olivetti, but I can't remember the
model. The coolest part was turning the lights off when it was printing and
watching the sparks fly across the paper as it printed. That's a printer I
would like to have again.
Isaac Davis | Don't throw out that old computer,
idavis(a)comland.com | check out the Classic Computer Rescue List -
indavis(a)juno.com | http://www.comland.com/~idavis/classic/classic.html
At 03:16 PM 6/12/97 -0800, you wrote:
>I remember showing an undergraduate how it was possible to plug
>a modem into a terminal and dial up to a shell account. He was
>so amazed that the world had been easily fooled into thinking that you
>need a computer to access the Internet :-)
The San Francisco Public Library has terminals (DEC VT220's?) in every
library. My girlfriend was impressed when I used Lynx to telnet to my
account to check mail one day... 8^)
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sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
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San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
At 04:20 PM 6/12/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Here's one for the printer books. I had a printer for my atari 800 that we
>order out of the DAK catalog. It used a little cartridge shaped like a
>bullet with a contact on the end. The printer would fire a spark and
>actually burn the dots onto the paper to make the characters. It was
Actually, it was an InkJet... I think I still have some of the ink
cartridges around somewhere. (I was paranoid that I might not be able to
find more when I ran out, so I bought a whole bunch.) The sparks were to
convince the ink to jump onto the page, I think.
>me right now. Wait a minute, it was an Olivetti, but I can't remember the
It was indeed an Olivetti, but I too have forgotten the model.
>would like to have again.
Me too. I remember demoing mine for ABACUS, the Atari Bay Area Computer
Users Society. That thing is what made it possible for me to pass English
in college! (I loathe the physical act of writing, so I never did any work,
until I could type it up on my 600xl (and later, 800) and print it out.)
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> > if anyone can shed some light on these, let us know):
> >
> > 1. "12v vid"
> > 2. R-Y (colorburst clock)
>
> Red - (minus) Yellow
>
> > >3. Audio out
> > >4. Y
>
> Yellow
>
> > >5. B-Y (ext video input?)
>
> Blue - yellow
>
> > >U. Ground
>
> Just a different way to send an 'RGB' signal. I'm not sure what the merit is
> of sending it this way... any video techs out there? I'll cc this to one who
> might know.
Um... No. Sorry. Close though.
Y is not yellow, i'm afraid. These signals derive from the way
luminance and chrominance are handled in a telly.
Y is intensity (luminance). It is made up of red, green and blue in the
rough proportions that generate intensity in a human eye. This is the
only part of the signal that a black and white telly (or greyscale
monitor) would decode.
The other two signals are the quadrature components of chrominance.
They are derived from Y by subtracting red and blue, and are normally
called U and V (in some order).
The colour telly receives U and V phase modulated onto a subcarrier (I
think). The hue control on American tellies sets the baseline against
which phase is measured here. (In Europe, the PAL system reverses the
phase each line, so any hue errors should cancel out)
The signals are transmitted this way in broadcast TV to ensure
compatibility between colour and BW tellies. They are also the signals
that would normally be sent to a TV (UHF or VHF) modulator from the
computer, hence their presence on the video connector.
Hope this helps! I could be more specific if I had some of my reference
books from home...
Philip.
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Bloedem Volke unverstaendlich treiben wir des Lebens Spiel.
Grade das, was unabwendlich fruchtet unserm Spott als Ziel.
Magst es Kinder-Rache nennen an des Daseins tiefem Ernst;
Wirst das Leben besser kennen, wenn du uns verstehen lernst.
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>From: Doug Spence <ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca>
>Subject: C64 CP/M carts (was: Re: Yet another weekend haul story)
>On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, George Lin wrote:
>> At 11:24 PM 6/1/97 -0700, you wrote:
>> ><...>
>> >> accessories including a CP/M cartridge for C64
>> >
>> >A CP/M _carthridge_? Awesome.
>>
>> I just tried it yesterday. Pretty cool. The Z80 is in the cartridge. The
>> package comes with a CP/M 2.2 diskette for 1541 and a condensed CP/M manual
>> by Commodore (copyright 1983). There is a K-Mart price tag on the original
>> box that reads $54. Not bad.
NOTE: the Commodore CP/M Cart is only usable on the oldest of the 64s
(usually models with the 5-pin DIN plug for video. It would seem that
when Commodore debugged some video problems they tweaked the system
speed slightly which made the CP/M cartridge unusable.
>This reminds me... I also have a Z80 cartridge for the C64. But it's not
>the one from Commodore. It's from a company called DATA 20 Corporation.
>I haven't been able to get it to work. It has what looks like a connector
>for a power supply on the back, but I didn't get the PS with it. It also
>came without any disks, though it did have a cassette in the box with it,
>which says "Use side A for Commodore 64/Use side B for VIC 20".
>It's a Z-80 Video Pak, that combines the Z80 processor AND an 80-column
>display adapter into one (big fat) cartridge.
Are you sure the plug isn't for some sort of video cable contraption?
(the Data-20 carts usually sported an 80 column composite video output.)
>To quote from the box:
> The Z-80 Video Pak brings the convenience of an 80 column screen and
> the power of a CP/M compatible operating system to the Commodore 64.
> Designed to be used with a monitor, the Z-80 Video Pak lets the
> Commodore 64 owner switch to a 40 or 80 column screen in black and
> white, or back to the standard color screen. All switching is done
> through software and no cables need to be moved.
> The Z-80 Video Pak has its own Z-80 microprocessor and operating
> system which allows the 64 to run CP/M software formatted for the
> Commodore 1541 disk drive. A Terminal mode which brings communication
> with central data bases is included at no extra cost. The Z-80 Video
> Pak also supports the advanced screen handling features of all Video
> Pak models such as erase to the end of line, erase to end of screen,
> and dump screen to printer.
>If anyone out there knows this thing's power requirements (AAAGH! Another
>wall-wart!) and where to get CP/M disks in 1541 format, please tell. :)
If there is power needed for it, I haven't seen anything mentioning
requirements... yet.
Larry Anderson
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>>True, that's bizarre... they appear to be especially common in the
>>northwest. But just try to find a PEB!
<snip>
>The closer you get to Texas, the more abundant TI-99 stuff gets.
So true! I worked for TI in Dallas at the time of the big selloff. I remember buying several consoles for $25, a PEB for $20, several monitors for $50, and catridges for $.50 each. All brand new in boxes. What a madhouse it was.
Bob
slightly off but information needed.
Cipher model st150s-II 6150? cartridge tape drive scsi interface.
I need data on this jumpers commands anything.
Allison
At 01:32 AM 6/12/97 -0400, you wrote:
>- I'd like a MSX machine as well (never even seen one in anything other
>than magazine articles)
I *sorta* have an MSX machine. It was donated to ABACUS, the Atari Bay Area
Computer Users Society, but isn't of much interest to the club. So it sits
in my garage (or attic?). One of these days, I'll get around to making a
suitable cash donation to the club and move it in with my collection.
In the meantime, if anyone wants any info or anything, let me know and I'll
dig it up...
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sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
The 99/4A DIN video pinout is (format in monospace for best
readability):
3 1
5 4
2
where (and no, I didn't write these descriptions, they're pretty
bizarre. I typed them verbatim; if anyone can shed some light on these,
let us know):
1. "12v vid"
2. R-Y (colorburst clock)
3. Audio out
4. Y
5. B-Y (ext video input?)
U. Ground
Kai
> ----------
> From: Cord Coslor[SMTP:coslor@pscosf.peru.edu]
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 1997 1:21 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: TI-99/4A Comments
>
> I have a question for you folks. I have a basic TI 99/4a.... that's
> it. No
> cables, no peripherals, no nothing with it. I am wanting to get this
> machine up to operation and am looking for anything that you folks
> might
> have available. I have a large assortment of running machines in my
> collection... TRS-80s, CoCo, Commodores, etc., etc., and would like to
> add
> this classic machine to my 'operational' collection. Can anyone help
> me
> out?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> CORD
>
> //*===================================================================
> ==++
> || Cord G. Coslor P.O. Box 308 - 1300 3rd St. Apt "M1" -- Peru,
> NE ||
> || (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu
> 68421-0308 ||
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>
fyi, posted on comp.os.cpm ...
- glenn
A friend in a bit of a time bind will probably be sending a PDP 11/34
to the landfill very soon. If you want it, and probably a half dozen
other assorted racks of minicomputers plus hundreds of reels of 1/2"
tape, but NO S-100 stuff (you can probably guess who got THAT!) e-mail
immediately.......
stuff is located in Tucson, very close to I-10
sorry, no one available to pack it, but Amtrak does stop here.......
and they shi[p stuff pretty cheap......
bill_h(a)azstarnet.com
> | WoW! The more I hear about this thing the more I want one.
>It's amazing
> | that this system was so unknown in the states. It's like
>discovering a
> | whole new species.
>
>Yep, I was obviously thrilled when I ran into my Spectravideo 328 in its
>original box, for $5 at a local thrift...
>
>Sorry Sam, didn't mean to gloat there.
>
>Did I mention it was accompanied by the cassette drive in its original
>box too?
>
>Kai
Me too...well not in original boxes but I do have one with monitor
(TV+modulator?) disk drives, cassette deck,software,CPM 3 (?) etc that I
got for eqiv US$12. The only thing is that it intermittantly resets itsself
and I have not had a chance to look at ti since I got the thing,
I also got
a set of boards from a cromenco s100 system for nothing :-)
2 TRS80 model 3s (which I can hopefully get 1 working) $0
1 TRS80 model 4P (Repaired phase locked loop circuit in video) $0
1 Sinclair Z88 with MacLink ROM installed $4
1 Sinclair ZX 81 not going $0
2 Sinclair QL's with 1 mono monitor $0
1 Apple ][e with drives and UHF TV/Monitor $9
1 Kaypro 4 a couple of years back for $30
1 Kaypro 10 (fitted new HD ) for $0
1 ALTOS 8088 Unix based system supposedly in working condition (yet to try) $20
1 IBM PC $0
1 IBM XT $0
1 VT100 terminal $0
and soon to arrive is
2 TRS80 model 1
1 TRS80 model 3
1 TRS80 model 4D
1 Dicksmith Systems 80
1 Amstrad 464
1 Amstrad PCW8256
and I'm on the scent of
Apple Lisa
Amstrad PC Clone
Amstrad monitor (suits the 464/664/6128)
Commodore 64
Commodore PET
Atari 800
Sinclair spectrum
Sinclair ZX80 (kit set..maybe unbuilt !)
PDP 11 (model unknown)
Microvax (dead PSU)
However I would like to acquire
Jupiter Ace (forth based machine)
Commodore SX64
Any Bondwell CPM machines
Cheers and good hunting
+----------- Keith Whitehead -----------+
| Physics and Chemistry Depts |
| Massey University |
| Palmerston North |
| New Zealand |
| |
| Ph +64 6 350-5074 Fax +64 6 354-0207 |
+------------------------------------------+
True, that's bizarre... they appear to be especially common in the
northwest. But just try to find a PEB!
Kai
> ----------
> From: Bill Whitson[SMTP:bill@booster.bothell.washington.edu]
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> Sent: Monday, June 09, 1997 3:52 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: TI99 (was Re: 8088s seattle comp.)
>
>
> Not along the same topic but I'm curious - just how
> popular was the TI99. From what I've seen scrounging
> over the years it looks like it might have been the
> most popular (or at least most numerous) micro ever made.
> Now, I know that's not true. It's just strange - I
> could go out this weekend and easily come home with 30-
> 40 of these machines, wait a month or two and probably do
> it again. There's one local junk store here that had
> 11 of them lying around when last I checked. They're
> like roaches ;).
>
> Bill
>
> HOWEVER, like other posters to this list, I have a wife that "simply
> doesn't understand the value of old computers" and am currently
Ha! I am the wife! I control the... Well I don't have that problem
other than a KI10 would be out of the question unless "just passing
through". ;-)
Allison
At 03:20 PM 6/11/97 -0700, you wrote:
>A printer is a printer, but since nobody really looks upon these as
>collectible, they are the most likely to be overlooked or sent to the
>scrap heap. A big problem is that they often weigh a lot and are a
>burden to store. Nonetheless, I have recently started to collect the old
The Computer History Association of California has printers in its
collection, and (I think) is as interested in saving printers as anything
else.
P.S., I'll put in a plug for the CHAC here... Good org, great mag, everyone
should join/subscribe. For more info, see <http://www.chac.org/>. (I am,
btw, on the board of directors, but mostly I'm just handy for getting the
container doors closed. 8^)
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Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
I had my Atari 800 up and running again today, testing out my 1050 drive
and such, and decided to toy with the Atari 1030 modem I have sitting here for
it. I had forgotten how interesting an item it is. For those of you that
aren't familiar with it, it's an external 300baud modem that plugs into the
same general I/O ports as the Atari disk drives and such. You turn on the
modem first, then the Atari 8bit, and the 8bit actually boots into a program
called 'Modemlink', which is stored in ROM on the modem. No disks, cartridges
or anything...just the computer and the modem! Modemlink is pretty basic, but
it does autodial. Might be time to fire it up and try it again on one of the
local C-64 BBS's running on the Color64 software still since they support 40
column mode.
That certainly beats the heck out of the compatibility issues I had to deal
with concerning terminal programs and BBS's on the PC with early 1200 and 2400
baud modems. Not to mention there's no setup.
Jeff jeffh(a)unix.aardvarkol.com
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Collector of classic home computers:
Amiga 1000, Apple II+, Atari 800, 800XL, Mega-ST/2 and XE System,
Coleco ADAM, Commodore 128D, 16, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155,
Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osborne Executive, Radofin Aquarius,
Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color
Computer-3, Model 4, and Model 4P, plus Odyssey2, Atari Superpong
and 2600VCS game consoles.
In a message dated 97-06-11 02:45:42 EDT, you write:
> Do any of you collectors
> have a use for them or need them to complete a given machine?
I certainly could use three or four. A lot of the older machines including
the Kaypro 2's and IBM PC's and XT's came equipped with Tandon drives which
were poorly made. As a result I have two or three machines sitting around
that need 5 1/4" full height drive transplants. Any help would be greatly
appreciated.
Regards,
Lou
At 08:48 AM 6/12/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Can't help with compatibility although the pinout for the Atari Joystick
>is:
>
>Pin 1 - Forward
>Pin 2 - Back
>Pin 3 - Left
>Pin 4 - Right
>Pin 5 - No Connection
>Pin 6 - Trigger
>Pin 7 - No Connection
>Pin 8 - Ground
>Pin 9 - No Connection
Because the Atari (same as commodore and others) joysticks are digital
(on/off for each direction; done with simple switches) instead of analog
(varying amount of each direction; done with potentiometers) like most PC
joysticks, it is rather easy to build alternative input devices, whether
it's something to stand on, or a bunch of buttons, or whatever.
I think the other pins (5, 7, 9) were used for the paddles (which were
analog devices.)
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Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
btw, there's also an interesting sounding doohickey up for bid:
'84 Portable Personal Computer Sord IS-11C (item #xjw18405)
Ends sunday the 15th, and there are 7 available. Anyone know anything about
it?
You can get to it at <http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=xjw18405>.
Min bid is $25, though.
AuctionWeb is a good place to find interesting things sometimes, especially
early PC and just-before-pc stuff. (And I hate to tell people because that
means more bidders which means higher bids...)
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
That's a Cipher ST150. It's a old, generic (apart from being early
SCSI) 150MB 1/4" SCSI tape drive. It's still supported by most backup
software.
Kai
> ----------
> From: allisonp@world.std.com[SMTP:allisonp@world.std.com]
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 1997 6:06 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: looking for info on tape drive
>
> slightly off but information needed.
>
> Cipher model st150s-II 6150? cartridge tape drive scsi interface.
>
> I need data on this jumpers commands anything.
>
> Allison
>
At 14:38 11/06/97 -0500, Issac Davis wrote:
>I can see that we are going to inundate this list with our home locations.
>I will go ahead and volunteer to keep the list, and put it up on my web
>site. If you want to be added to this list, email me idavis(a)comland.com
>with your name, city/area, and a way to contact you - email or phone. After
>the list is compiled, I will put it on the web, and will be able to email it
>to anyone involved.
>Feel free to give me any contact information you want. I will only include
what you tell me to.
>Isaac Davis
>idavis(a)comland.com
>indavis(a)juno.com
Hi, Isaac,
really a very good idea.
So here I am:
NAME:Riccardo Romagnoli
CITY/AREA:Forli'(FO)/Emilia Romagna/Italy
WAY TO CONTACT ME:chemif@mbox.queen.it
Fax:+39-(0)543-402190
Telex:551132 CHEMIF I (yes, the old 50 BAUD stuff!)
RANGE:Emilia-Romagna region (Ev. North side of the "boot")
MAIN AREA OF INTEREST:Mini's from 70's (esp. Texas DS990/x
family);Micro;Olivetti;all kind teletypes machines from any age;Printers.
I will be glad to exchange any information and documents I have (or search
if needed) about classics coming from Italy.
CIAO!
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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PHONECARDS I-47100 Forli'/Emilia-Romagna/Food Valley/ITALY
Pager:DTMF PHONES=+39/16888(hear msg.and BEEP then 5130274*YOUR TEL. NUMBER*
where*=asterisk key | for help visit http://www.tim.it/tldrin_eg/tlde03.html
TELEX:551132 CHEMIF I
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
| WoW! The more I hear about this thing the more I want one.
It's amazing
| that this system was so unknown in the states. It's like
discovering a
| whole new species.
Yep, I was obviously thrilled when I ran into my Spectravideo 328 in its
original box, for $5 at a local thrift...
Sorry Sam, didn't mean to gloat there.
Did I mention it was accompanied by the cassette drive in its original
box too?
Kai
somebody, i dont remember, put forth:
>Mayhaps, as a parallel to the 'Classic Computer Index", we need to develop
>> a 'Classic Computer Collectors Index' so that we know where others are
>> when things like this pop up so that we could have some local options.
>> Even if a person did not want the particular item, they might be able to
>> pick it up while arrangements were made to get it to someone who did want
>> it.
feel free to add me to the list. i'd be glad to go out and discover new finds
and give the opportunity for others to get it before the scrapyard does. i've
a truck and a 3 bedroom house, so storage is no problem! =D
david
Ok, I have taken the info I got from today, and put it up on the web.
Nothing fancy, and I haven't indexed it yet with any search engines. Take a
look at it and let me know what you think, or if you want to change your
information. The url is:
http://www.comland.com/~idavis/classic/classic.html
Any suggestions? Let me know and I will change it before we tell the rest
of the world about it.
Isaac Davis
idavis(a)comland.com
indavis(a)juno.com
My GOD! Has anyone seen this??? SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING!
Sam
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Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass
---------- Forwarded message ----------
here's the major info about the mini's now sitting under the Tucson
sun, soon to be landfill......
PDP 11/34: two machines - one with 3 lights, 2 toggle switches and a
rotary switch; one with a 4x5 keypad, rotary switch, and
little digital display (led's?)
PDP 11/35: full front panel with maybe 35 switches in a row across the
bottom (sort of like an Imsai)
Industrial 11 (in pieces) front panel looks something like 11/35, but in
red and blue (even more like Imsai)
RX02 pair of 8" disk drives in a box
several assorted hard drives, rack mount, desk-top 14" (VERY heavy!),
9672-type CDC disk drive in cabinet, etc
VAX 11/780 double-wide 5-1/2 foot high cabinet - can't get to the front
so don't know if there's anybody home there.....
Large rack mounted tape unit....about all I can tell is it's DEC
Rack box (sitting on the ground) RK05f DEC Pack
DECScope - looks sort of like a desk-top micro all-in-one
keyboard/monitor
several other DEC racks; many reels of tape; manuals; misc
also many terminal/monitors
I doubt this stuff will be around for more than a day or two.....
bill_h(a)azstarnet.com
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Sam
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Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass
Hey everyone. There has been a great response to the list of people willing
to go out of their way to pick up our beloved classics and save them from a
fate worse than death. I have added all of the people that have requested
it so far today, and did a little work on the page. I think it is ready for
the general public to know about. There wasn't a single complaint about any
part, so I think that's a thumbs up. I will be getting it listed in the
major search engines on the web, so maybe we can get some real results from
it soon. I am currently in the process of attempting to get a couple of
pdp8's, and am working on arrangements to store them for a fellow classic
computer list subscriber until he can pick them up. Exactly what this list
is all about. Comments are more than welcome, and let me know if you want to
be on the list.
http://www.comland.com/~idavis/classic/classic.html
Isaac Davis | Don't throw out that old computer,
idavis(a)comland.com | check out the Classic Computer Rescue List -
indavis(a)juno.com | http://www.comland.com/~idavis/classic/classic.html
Howdy:
Does anyone out there have the old Atari 800LX Atari Artist cartridge? It
is catalog # RX8053. Please let me know as I have been looking for it for
some time.
Thanks,
CORD COSLOR
Archive Software
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|| (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu 68421-0308 ||
|| Classic computer software and hardware collector ||
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> > PS I've been having a little surf trying to find this info, and in
> my
> > travels came across a site that has a 2600 emulator for download on
> > various platforms! It's at
> > <http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/ahornby/v2600.html>
>
> >You should also be able to find a site whereby you can order a
> joystick
> >from. There are probably a couple places in Europe.
>
> From my investigations, new joysticks for the 2600/etc are getting a
> might hard to come by. From what I can tell, no one is making them
> anymore. I do know that Video 61 has them.
>
> -Matt Pritchard
>
>
>
Due to massive amounts of caffeine & sleep deprivation, Kai Kaltenbach said:
>Actually the Tandy 600 was a 1989 concoction. It looks like an early
>Toshiba laptop, with flip-up narrow LCD display. It has Multiplan, a
>subset of MS Word, a built-in modem, 360K 3.5" drive, 80x16 display, and
>sold for $999. I passed up one of these at a swap meet a few weeks ago.
>
>Kai
<MODE GOOFY=ON>
Nee-ner-nee-ner-neeeee-ner!!!
I finally know something that Kai doesn't!!! ;^>
</MODE>
Sorry, but *my* T600 was built in September of 1985! AAMAF, I have a 1989
sale flyer yet that shows the T600 in "where-is-as-is" status, for the same
$$$ or cheaper than the T200. (one of which I also have!)
Processor was an 80c88 and standard memory was 32K (which was close to
useless, from what I hear. Mine came with 128K, so I wouldn't know.) which
was expanded with up to 2 banks of 96K.
Yes, the floppy was 360K, as it was single-sided with double-density.
Power: 4 internal D-sized nicads giving 11 hours use with no floppy
activity. Files are stored in RAM (like the 100/200/102/NEC 8201A/Olivetti
M10/etc.) and can be copied to floppy using the copy command.
More questions? You can ask me or the list, with the details below.
There is an FTP site for the Tandy 600 at:
ftp://ftp.northernway.net/Tandy600/
and there is a listserve dedicated to the Tandy 600. To find out more about
the listserve, send a message to:
m600-request(a)list.northernway.net
with the word "info" or "help" in the subject.
To subscribe, send a message to:
m600-request(a)list.northernway.net
with the word "sub" or "subscribe" in the subject.
To post a message to the listserve, send a message to:
m600(a)list.northernway.net
and it will automatically go to several people (always looking for more,
folks!) including a man named Larry Kollar, who wrote and maintains a Tandy
600 FAQ.
URL for the FAQ: http://www.nyx.net/~lekollar/t600/t600faq.html
Hope this helps!
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
--
Roger Merchberger | If at first you don't succeed,
Programmer, NorthernWay | nuclear warhead disarmament should
zmerch(a)northernway.net | *not* be your first career choice.
Hi all...
I just picked up an Atari 2600 with 3 catridges but there's no power
supply or joysticks. I'm not complaining though, as it only cost 5
Pounds from from a charity shop here in London!
So, the predictable question is what are the specs
for the power supply? (i.e. voltage, current and polarity of what
appears to be a 3.5" jack).
Also can i use the joysticks from a ZX Spectrum or TI-99/4A with it?
If not, can anyone give me details of the pin-out so i can wire up my
own?
TIA...Nick.
PS I've been having a little surf trying to find this info, and in my
travels came across a site that has a 2600 emulator for download on
various platforms! It's at
<http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/ahornby/v2600.html>
--
Nick Challoner nickc(a)ladyland.demon.co.uk
Aviation photographs at: http://www.ladyland.demon.co.uk
"Bother" said Pooh, as he deleted his root directory.
At 08:51 AM 6/12/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Oh yea, I should mention the last time this thing was fired up about
>5-7 years ago it had some sort of problem with it staying powered up
>or something. They where not able to get the data off their disks.
>Other then that I don't know anymore details. The original owners of
>this thing was Robert Mueler(sp?) Airport(ATC at its best).
>
>---
>
>So, anyone in the Austin, TX area want to grab this one either for their
>collection, or for holding while it seeks a home?
>
>-jim
>---
>jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com
>The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw
>Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174
>
>
Jim,
I have already emailed Micah, and am waiting for a response. Here a
conincidence for you. My dad works for the FAA, at Robert Mueller as the
Radar Technician. If I get this, I will see if he knows about it. I will
let everyone know how it goes.
Isaac Davis
idavis(a)comland.com
indavis(a)juno.com
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 02:38:43 GMT
From: Micah Voiers <micah1(a)flash.net>
Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp8
Subject: FS: pdp 8
I have what I think are 2 pdp 8(a I think) I see two omni hex
processor boards, 2 rko 5 drives( one has some rust on one side), two
case things with power supply, 4 or 5 memory boards a few controllers,
1 face plate. FREE, OBO.
The pdp is in Austin, I am in Ft Worth, Texas. I would rather not
haul this thing up here. I won't ship it cause that would seem like a
major pain in the neck., unless ya pay, a lot. Also got about 10
trs-80 model 3's. I would like to keep this for historical sake but
it is heavy and takes up a lot of space.
Let me know
micah1(a)flash.net
Oh yea, I should mention the last time this thing was fired up about
5-7 years ago it had some sort of problem with it staying powered up
or something. They where not able to get the data off their disks.
Other then that I don't know anymore details. The original owners of
this thing was Robert Mueler(sp?) Airport(ATC at its best).
---
So, anyone in the Austin, TX area want to grab this one either for their
collection, or for holding while it seeks a home?
-jim
---
jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com
The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw
Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174
The joysticks, for the c64, atari2600, atari 400,800,1200 series of
computers are all identical. Any joystick that is rated for these machines
will work just fine. I'll have to double check, but im pretty positive the
power is 9vDC around 300mv, possibly up to 500mv, not sure.
----------
> From: Nick Challoner <nickc(a)ladyland.demon.co.uk>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Atari 2600 questions
> Date: Thursday, June 12, 1997 8:01 AM
>
> Hi all...
>
> I just picked up an Atari 2600 with 3 catridges but there's no power
> supply or joysticks. I'm not complaining though, as it only cost 5
> Pounds from from a charity shop here in London!
>
> So, the predictable question is what are the specs
> for the power supply? (i.e. voltage, current and polarity of what
> appears to be a 3.5" jack).
>
> Also can i use the joysticks from a ZX Spectrum or TI-99/4A with it?
> If not, can anyone give me details of the pin-out so i can wire up my
> own?
>
> TIA...Nick.
>
> PS I've been having a little surf trying to find this info, and in my
> travels came across a site that has a 2600 emulator for download on
> various platforms! It's at
> <http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/ahornby/v2600.html>
>
> --
> Nick Challoner nickc(a)ladyland.demon.co.uk
> Aviation photographs at: http://www.ladyland.demon.co.uk
> "Bother" said Pooh, as he deleted his root directory.
I can see that we are going to inundate this list with our home locations.
I will go ahead and volunteer to keep the list, and put it up on my web
site. If you want to be added to this list, email me idavis(a)comland.com
with your name, city/area, and a way to contact you - email or phone. After
the list is compiled, I will put it on the web, and will be able to email it
to anyone involved. Maybe I can try and get some outside exposure with web
search engines to help people outside of this list to be able to contact us
before they take their "junk" to the landfill. Feel free to give me any
contact information you want. I will only include what you tell me to.
Isaac Davis
idavis(a)comland.com
indavis(a)juno.com
