- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by dastar＠crl.com

Out of curiosity, anyone know how many IMSAIs were produced? Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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Apple ][e software?

by thedm＠sunflower.com

You do need the system disks in order to make copies of disks. ---------- > From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Apple ][e software? > Date: Wednesday, June 18, 1997 8:50 PM > > On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Cord Coslor wrote: > > > Greetings: > > > > I just picked up an Apple ][e, monitor, disk drives, the whole works... > > even a mouse! But, I am wondering if someone out there might be able to > > sell me a copy of the Disk Operating System disks and maybe one or two > > (more?...) game disks? > > > > Please get in touch with me at the below address, e-mail, or phoen number, > > if you might have something like that which I could use to get the system > > going. > > Cord, forget about the system disks. You don't actually need them. The > Apple was the kind of computer where you could use it with or without > disks, although having software made it more useful. Each disk for the > apple is self-contained and has whatever DOS it needs to run it. Your > main concern right now is to get software for it, whatever that may be - > games, utilities, productivity, etc. Find the apple users group near you > (if there is one) or go to comp.sys.apple where you will find a ton of > information on how and where to obtain apple software. Its not hard to > find, there were literally tens of thousands of titles published for the > Apple ][. If you've never had an Apple before, you want to go out and > start collecting ssome of the games released for it, as there are some > fun titles. But as far as system disks, if you want to round out your > collection, then I guess you would want an original copy just to say you > have them, but every Apple I ever got was second-hand, and I already had > software from the previous apple I was upgrading from, and having the > original system disks was a moot point, as there were so many other more > useful disks to have. > > Sam > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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Apple ][e software?

by BROBSTONA＠wartburg.edu

>> I'm wondering if there's a way to hack code to get it to copy without >> any System Master programs. > >Oh, sure. Just take a look at the description of the RWTS >(Read - write - track/sector) routines >in the Apple _DOS 3.3 Manual_. (You know, the one with the Disk ][ >and controller schematics.) You could probably come up with a >basic sector duplicator using a dozen lines of BASIC, sprinkled >liberally with PEEKs, POKEs, and CALLs. I could do it if I was at home, but I don't have all the manuals at college with me. So, I'm attempting to rely on memory (I'm pretty sure I've done something like this with RWTS before). I know a lot of times, instead of using the boring INIT command to format a new disk, I would use the RWTS version just for kicks. Too bad you really can't have as much fun with new computers. :) -- Andy Brobston brobstona(a)wartburg.edu ***NEW URL BELOW*** http://www.wartburg.edu/people/docs/personalPages/BrobstonA/home.html My opinions do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Wartburg College as a whole.

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STacy Was: yo

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 11:51 AM 6/17/97 -0700, you wrote: >IIRC it was a 1040ST motherboard in a laptop case. They come up for >sale once in a while in the Atari ST news groups. It seems to me The last STacy I saw sold went for about $750 -- about a year ago. They still get close to that; they're still popular with musicians. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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AIM65

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 12:12 AM 6/19/97 -0400, you wrote: >> If they're shipped to the bay area, I've got lots of boxes and packing >Uh, but what of us here on the other coast (where the devices are to start >with)? (I'm in the same area code, actually). Damn, but I wish I was Oh, sure, keep 'em there before distributing them. *Don't* send 'em across the country before sending 'em back. Go ahead, be normal. 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Rockwell AIM 65 ad

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

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Here are the Tandy 600 specs

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Tandy 600 Introduced: October 28, 1985 CPU: 80C88 RAM: 32K expandable to 224K in 96K increments Display: Flip-up 80x16 LCD Storage: Internal 3.5" 360K floppy (storage only, not bootable) Ports: RS-232 and Centronics parallel Bus: Proprietary for external floppy or "other peripherals" One option ROM socket (accessible by removing Multiplan) that holds BASIC or other ROMs Power: AC adapter, and built-in NiCd batteries Modem: Internal 300 baud Operating System: Proprietary ROM Applications: Built-in System Manager, Word, Calendar, File, Telcom and Multiplan BASIC: Optional ROM cartridge Keyboard: 72-key Pricing: Base system $1599 BASIC ROM $129 96K RAM upgrade $399

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Digilog 1500

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> It seems every time I turn around, I find something else I either > haven't seen in a while, or don't know anything about it. In this case, > I picked up a brand new Digilog 1500 some number of years ago. It is > not on the "Big List" so does anyone know anything about this? Yeah, I know a little about Digilogs. Used to use one quite a bit; when I started working here, that was the CP/M machine of choice and we had a couple of them (the non-CP/M machine of choice were the Micro PDP-11s that DEC kept throwing at us). Someone had built a custom interface between one of them and a PC05 to punch paper tape to ship out to folks who did our wire-wrapping (the software to generate the paper tapes was either in FORTRAN on the PDP-11s or PL/I-80 on the Digilogs; shortly after I arrived we moved the FORTRAN version to the VAX-11/780 we had just installed (sigh; I was the only user of the 11/780 most of the time and I had a whole gigabyte of RM05s to play with; those were the days), so I never had to use the PL/I-80 version of the wirewrap software). We started picking up Televideo 802s and 803s about that time and migrated from the Digilog to them. No promises, but I _may_ have a CP/M boot disk for the thing and (depending on how recently my cow-orkers have cleaned their offices) I may be able to find a bit of technical info. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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Digilog 1500

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> Hmm. One of my friends got a LOT of apple II stuff from a business that > went under. One of the things he got was an 8" CP/M disk. I'm gonna go > try to get my hands on it. (It said CP/M on it). It may be > destroyed/gone by now. This was a year or two ago, before I got > interested in old stuff... Any way to tell what system it's for without > being able to read it? You usually can't tell what system it's for even _with_ being able to read it. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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Atari XDM121 printer help

by jeffh＠unix.aardvarkol.com

I just recieved an Atari XDM121 printer, and it appears to work fine, though is in need of a new ribbon. It is a daisy wheel printer, 80 column, and is set up to connect to the Atari 8bit I/O bus. It appears to have been produced in the mid to late 80's since the style of the case and buttons on the front are the same as those of the Atari ST line of computers, and not the earlier 8bit machines (ie. the case is grey and the 3 buttons on the front panel have diagonal vertical lines). My question is about a third connector on the back (the other two being the 8bit I/O bus connectors). This third connector is a modular connector, similar to a RJ-11 phone jack, and it has just two contacts in it. Any ideas on what this might be for? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Jeff jeffh(a)unix.aardvarkol.com -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amiga enthusiast and collector of early, classic microcomputers http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757

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Good Emulators & floppies (was: C64 CP/M carts (was:...))

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 10:29 AM 6/19/97 -0400, you wrote: >"Evil Empire?" == Use the Farce, Duke! == First, if you have an Atari ST, >(and I think TOS 1.4 or above... getting my ST next weekend! Wheeeee! ;-) >it can read/write/format PC floppies. The atari ST could always (well, production models on, anyway) read/write PC floppies. Formatting, however, was initially a problem. It seems there's an unused field somewhere in the admin stuff on a pc floppy that Atari figured didn't matter. So they left it blank. But, for some reason, IBM machines needed some value in there. (I'm probably way oversimplifying, and making errors...) So floppies formatted on the atari worked fine on the atari, but if you wanted to use the floppy on both machines, you needed to format it on the PC (or use a third party formatter that fixed the problem.) Some later version of TOS (1.4?) fixed this. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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'Orange Wall' FREE!

by kyrrin＠wizards.net

Ok, got another freebie for the group. I have the infamous DEC 'Orange Wall' worth of docs on VMS 4.whatever, at least a couple of big boxes worth. As I don't anticipate running VMS (heck, I don't own a big VAX!) anytime soon, I would rather see these go to someone who needs them. If no one speaks up, I'll recycle the innards and use the binders. First one who wants to visit me in Kent, WA can have 'em! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Salvation Army (was RE: IMSAI 8080 production count)

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

| In my experience, the "volunteers" at the Salvation Army filtered out | anything that even resembled computers so that they could sell it | themselves. If it comes in a box and has a detach keyboard (i.e. looks | like a PC) it never gets to the showroom floor. Trust me.... I *know* Well, I don't think they're selling them themselves... if they have a policy (perhaps nationally) like the western washington Salvation Army headquarters in downtown Seattle, they auction off pallets of donated computer equipment to the for-profit thrift organizations such as Value Village, Thriftko and Shop & Save. Unfortunately, the Seattle headquarters holds the auctions not monthly, not weekly, but DAILY, and at 8:30 AM !!! Kai

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Mark 8

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

| ---------- | From: James Willing | Subject: Re: Mark 8 | | On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Marvin wrote: | | > I need another project :) and I was thinking about building the Mark 8 | > computer. Somewhere, I seem to recall that someone was having the board | > sets for this computer made up, does anyone out there know or remember | > who might be doing this? | | That would be me... If you get one of these up and running, I have a Scelbi book, "Space Wars for the 8008 Microprocessor" with full hex code listings... Kai

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AIM65

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 09:48 AM 6/18/97 -0700, you wrote: >negotiations for everyone. But I think it would be best if one person >did the negotiating and made the deal. It depends on what everyone I agree... We could have them shipped to one place and re-shipped from there; USPS should be around $3-5 if you're not in a hurry. (And I'm not worried about them becoming obsolete before I get mine...) If they're shipped to the bay area, I've got lots of boxes and packing materials I need to get rid of... (I'd volunteer to handle it, but I'm new to the mailing list, and if it were me, I would trust me yet.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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VIC stuff, ComputerSpace, and SuperPET update!

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

From: Paul E Coad <pcoad(a)crl.com> Subject: Weekend Acquisitions III >...Get money. Go back to thrift. The VIC was still there. >Bought the box of stuff for $5. This included VIC-20 (still untested), >CN2 (my 3rd!), 3K, 8K, and 16K memory carts, super expander cart (with >manual), Forth Cart with box and manual, programmer's aid cart, machine >language monitor cart, 7 cart games, and a few cassette games. (think Homer Simpson Voice): Mmmmm Utilities! I have about 20 or so various Commodore datasettes, from a couple butchered Sanyo decks Commodore stuck in the first PETs to a clone one. Almost tempted to pick up another today -along with the 64 it was being sold with- >Saturday noon >Went back to the sale and met up with Uncle Roger and his girlfriend. >We had an excellent lunch. Swapped a few stories. Went home and >explained to my wife why I NEED 2 more Sun keyboards. Fortunately for me my wife understands, as she has read, it is easier to get along with your spouse if each of you have a money-pit hobby, hers is mainly knitting, spinning, and fabrics, and mine classic computers. I understand when she needs that third sewing machine and she understands the gleam in my eye as a snag another 4040 dual drive. >--pec -------------------- From: Kai Kaltenbach <kaikal(a)MICROSOFT.com> Subject: RE: PONG >...Several years before Pong, Nolan created a more >sophisticated game called Computer Space, built by Nutting and >Associates. >Computer Space was the first arcade video game. >Trust me, I own all of them. >Kai I have been curious what was Computer Space like????? I keep reading about it, but no good descriptions. What were the controls, the layout, the game play, etc. ------------ SuperPET update! Well I was a little bit conservative in my estimation of daughterboards on the SuperPET, the count is now three (well technically four, one of the daughterboards has a daughterboard itself.) I discovered the bottom-most daughterboard seemed to be loose so I had to do a partial diassembly to get to it. It would seem that the bottom-most daughterboard plugs directly into the 6502 socket of the 8032 motherboard, and that daughterboard was not seated in the socket (which is raised with about 4 stacked chip sockets!) Continuing on, I discover that also some of the pins on the bottom of the daughterboard were bent and *sigh* some broke upon attempt to get them back in line (they should be replaceable, but not too easily.) For now, I decided to re-assemble it (and all the various cross-connections and such). Also, I had gotten word back from the person who has a SuperPET and set the switches to work as an expanded 8032. I now can get the 'jingle' sound and a screen full of garbage characters! (Not a complete victory, but a very good amount of progress here!) Plus, the gentleman does have some of the disks: >Yes, I have most of the Waterloo software stuff, for sure the assembly >stuff, the Pascal possibly, the Fortran for sure, and possibly the >BASIC. I may even have the Cobol stuff... I really don't have the time or space to do much more presently, (one of these decades when I retire or win the lottery) but will work on getting a set of the disks, for future use. This is so much fun, my Commodore collection is getting there! Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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Aim65 (fwd)

by dastar＠crl.com

Here's some info from the guy about the AIM65s. They sound like nice units. Marvin, please e-mail me so we aren't stepping on each other's toes. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:02:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Mikeooo1(a)aol.com To: dastar(a)crl.com Subject: Re: Aim65 Dear Sam, They are all in new working condition.The beauty about the Aim 65 is that it was a single board computer which was self contained in that it had its display,printer,and memory all mounted on its board so that peripheral attachments weren't necessary.Yes,it comes with a keyboard and power supply also.I developed a plastic enclosure and metal base and ROM board for the system so the keyboard and power supply could be housed with the Aim in a compact unit and programs could be burned onto eproms which would seat in the ROM board rather than rely on tape storage which involves a recorder hookup and would be quite slow. Best Regards Mike

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Aim 65

by sinasohn＠crl.com

>One question that does come up is how to handle the repackaging and >remailing assuming we can buy them as a bulk deal. I have access to a I'm sure there will be enough people in the bay area to warrant a dinner get-together to distribute a bulk package. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Radofin Aquarius on AuctionWeb

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

FYI, Somebody's got a Radofin Aquarius on AuctionWeb: http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=elv642 Kai

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Aim 65

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com> writes: > 1. What is an Aim65? It's a singleboard 6502 system/eval kit from Rockwell, sort of like the MOS/CBM KIM-1, only different. 6502, some RAM, some ROM (sockets?), 20-char LED display, QWERTY keyboard, cash-register printer, a couple of bus connectors off the left side of the board. Actually, I'm not sure if the display, keyboard, and printer were there on all of them but I remember them being sold with those in the late 1970s/early 1980s. > 2. What is a good price to offer to buy/sell one? A few years ago I paid $5 for one at Foothill. It had apparently been OEMd into a nutrition advising system of some sort, as that is what seemed to be in the ROMs and it came in a cheap plastic case that pretty much hid the guts (just sturdy enough to be a frame for the AIM-65 and the power supply). No documentation, either for the AIM-65 itself or for the nutrition software. I don't recall for sure, but would expect that an AIM-65 from Rockwell would have come with something other than the nutrition software in the ROM sockets. Somewhere I do have an AIM-65 manual but it is (like most of my collection at present) in storage. -Frank McConnell

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AIM65

by dastar＠crl.com

On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Glenn Roberts wrote: > i'm interested in one of the Aim 65's. $20 seems like a fair offering > price. you mentioned a bulk offer but then you mentioned his email address > so wasn't clear if you guys were trying to coordinate this or let everyone > deal directly with him. let me know how this pans out. tx. I didn't want to seem like a slick willy trying to take over the negotiations for everyone. But I think it would be best if one person did the negotiating and made the deal. It depends on what everyone wants. If it's OK with everyone else, I or Marvin can do the deal, then let everyone know. Otherwise, if everyone wants to take a stab at it themselves, that's fine. I think the easiest for all parties is to offer a bulk buyout at a set price. I think everyone will come away winners. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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Cleaning Plastic

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

I apologize if this is a repeat question but I can't seem to find the previous post. What were the solutions to removing yellowing from the plastic cases? I bought a printer that looks terrible. Not sure what caused it so any suggestions helpful at this point. thanks, Greg

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AIM65

by BigLouS＠aol.com

Count me in for $20 + shipping. Lou

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old memory boards?

by mpsayler＠cs.utexas.edu

Hi. I'm a small-time collector interested in older unix machines, though I think I'd be more interested in micros if I had more room than my apartment provides. I was picking up a load of Sun VME-bus equipment today and ran across some memory boards. These are definitely not for the suns, neither multi-bus nor vmebus. The boards are perhaps 12"x16" and are populated with what I presume to be memory chips (AMD 21-17559-01 / 8333EMM) in 16 banks of 9 chips each. The connector along the back has 6 distinct edge-card pieces, with 18 contacts per connector per side. All of the boards appear to be more or less of the same nature, but one is manufactured by Motorola, and 4 have digital markings. Along the back of three of the digital boards, there are two metal protrusions. One says AM, the other M8210. The other digital board is AZ M8210, and it has a lot of Mostek chips that I would guess are 16kbit 300ns chips . . Does anyone know what machine used these boards? The sun equipment I salvaged was sadly without CPU board or power supply but I did manage to grab 2 8mb boards and a bevy of SCSI and SMD controllers. I guess I can add it to my collection of old sun hardware that needs drives to become operational. Do SMD drives frequently show up at swap meets, etc? matt -- /* Matt Sayler -- mpsayler(a)cs.utexas.edu -- Austin, Texas (512)457-0086 -- http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/mpsayler Have you ever imagined a world with no hypothetical situations? */

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Mark 8

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> > If you get one of these up and running, I have a Scelbi book, "Space > Wars for the 8008 Microprocessor" with full hex code listings... I've designed using that chip and still have my MCS-8 microcomputer set manual from intel If you need help. FYI another old ram chip that fits with that CPU is 2101 (256x4). Allison

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Apple /// booting and Franklin question

by BigLouS＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-06-18 00:54:51 EDT, bill(a)booster.bothell.washington.edu (Bill Whitson) wrote: << - Does anyone consider the Franklin Ace 1000 Apple II clone very > collectible? Yes. It was a legitimate alternative to the Apple II+ at a lower price. I designed my first database on a 1000 and found it to be 100% compatible with the II+ (it should have been since they copied the II+ roms) and very reliable. I think that the Franklin line as well as the Laser series of clones belongs in any Apple II collection. Lou

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Digital Controls Inc. Training Cartridges?

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 12:22 PM 6/17/97 -0700, you wrote: >1", "Lotus", "dBase II", "Wordstar", "IBM PC", and "Multimate". Anyone >out there know what these are and what they go to? Thanks! Well, "IBM PC" helps date it, as does "dBase II". Has to be early-to-mid 80's. I would guess, off the top of my head, PCjr cartridges? Do I win the prize? --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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AIM65

by MPritchard＠ensemble.net

Count me in for $20 plus shipping! Ill be @ E3, so no responces for a few days. > -----Original Message----- > From: Sam Ismail [SMTP:dastar@crl.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 1997 12:34 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: AIM65 > > > Ok, here's the deal. Marvin & I are both in contact with a guy who > says > he has 14 AIM65 units. Hopefully you all have been paying attention > and > have read the messages describing what this is. Marvin & I are of > course > both interested in buying one, and we dicussed the possibility that > others in the discussion would be interested as well. We feel that if > > enough of us get together and offer this guy a bulk buy-out, we can > get a > good price from him. Marvin & I are talking about $20 a piece as of > now. If this is of interest to anyone, I can give you his e-mail > address > and you can ask specific questions, but make sure you mention you are > a > part of this one-shot buyout so that we get a good deal. I think > first > we should get a count of who is all interested and then approach the > guy. He's in New Jersey, and I don't think shipping should be more > than > $5 per unit. > > His e-mail address is Mikeooo1(a)aol.com and he left his phone number > for me: > (201) 331-1313. > > Please reply if you are interested in going in together on this. > > Sam > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, > Writer, Jackass >

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Apple /// booting and Franklin question

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

I think I saw this go by once before on the group, but - - How do you get an Apple /// to boot from the ProFile? Also: - Does anyone consider the Franklin Ace 1000 Apple II clone very collectible? thanks Kai

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EBCDIC

by rector＠usa.net

Sam, I don't own any computers that use EBCDIC, but I use them every day at work. EBCDIC - extended binary coded decimal interchange code is the character set used on most (if not all) IBM mainframes and midrange systems. (IBM S/390, S/36, S/38, AS/400 etc.) This set has its roots in punched cards (and prior) and really makes more sense when viewed >from that perspective vs. that of the way things are today. ASCII - American National Standard Code for Information Interchange. Back when I was in college, an instructor stated it this way: (Speaking about the need for a uniform way to share info across machines. "There are two ways to obtain a standard in the industry. The first is to get a big commitee together and have all parties involved agree on what it should be (ASCII). Or, be the largest company in the industry, do it your own way and force everyone else to adopt your way of thinking. Dan ------------------- Sam Ismail wrote: DOes anyone have a computer which uses the EBCDIC character set, rather than ASCII (did I get the acronym right? what does it stand for anyway)? Just curious. Sam

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EBCDIC

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 11:41 PM 6/16/97 -0700, you wrote: >DOes anyone have a computer which uses the EBCDIC character set, rather >than ASCII (did I get the acronym right? what does it stand for anyway)? My HP3000 can write mag tapes in EBCDIC. EBCDIC: Extended Binary Coded Decimal Interchange Code (From the Acronym Database on the 'web.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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IMSAI 8080

by groberts＠mitre.org

At 11:57 PM 6/17/97 -0400, Les wrote: >If someone has got a reasonably priced IMSAI in the Philly area to sell, >then fine... but I just don't see it hapening any time soon... hang in there. i actually saw an industrial type IMSAI chassis for sale at the Frederick (MD) Hamfest last weekend - only a couple hours drive from Philly so these things *do* exist on the east coast! i think he was asking $50 or $60. i believe he left without selling it so it could reappear. it wasn't complete but could have been a good starting point for an IMSAI collector (it had several CPU boards and some other stuff). of course without the front panel it's not as visually interesting as the original IMSAI. btw: he said he has bought this as part of a bigger package that included an original IMSAI and an Altair - both of which he fixed up and later sold! - glenn

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Aim 65

by dastar＠crl.com

1. What is an Aim65? 2. What is a good price to offer to buy/sell one? Thanks! Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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Old computers

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Another target of opportunity for claim or rescue! -jim --- begin forwarded message --- >Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:15:56 -0500 (CDT) >From: Steve Jones <sjones(a)knox.edu> >X-Sender: sjones(a)knoxadm.admin.knet.edu >To: jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com >Cc: Nancy Taflinger <ntafling(a)knox.knox.edu> >Subject: Old computers >X-Status: > >We have a PDP-11/44 and a VAX 750 that are now parked in a corner, along >with a fair amount of documentation, system tapes. There are about 5 >RM02s, a tape drive, mux's, ... > >Also have a couple old DecMates. > >I would qualify them all as "free for the hauling", with the only concern >being a need to wipe some of the data on the PDP. Any interest or know >of anyone who might have? > >Steven A. Jones, Director >Computer Center, K-80 E-mail: sjones(a)knox.edu >Knox College Voice: (309) 341-7356 >Galesburg, Illinois 61401 Fax: (309) 341-7718 --- end of forwarded message --- --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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HELP!

by FAIAZMC＠hsd.utc.com

Does anyone have any info on where I can find accessories and parts for my old PC8500 (NEC) laptop? Thanks Mike

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Digital Controls Inc. Training Cartridges?

by jscarter＠worldnet.att.net

At 07:22 PM 6/17/97 +0000, you wrote: >A while back, I "saved" some cartridges from being tossed. The label >says "Digital Controls, Learning Center, Multiplan (title varies >depending on cartridge), Registerd Trademark of Microsoft Corporations, >Copyright Digital Controls, Inc." The other titles I have are "Preview >1", "Lotus", "dBase II", "Wordstar", "IBM PC", and "Multimate". Anyone >out there know what these are and what they go to? Thanks! My first guess would have been an IBM PCjr because it has the only cartridge version of Lotus I've ever heard of. But Wordstar was definitely disk-based for the PCjr, in fact it had it's own version, Wordstarjr. Microsoft Multiplan came on cartridge for the TI99/4A, but I've never heard of the others being on cartridge format for that system. What are the dimensions of the cartridges and how many pins? Do the labels looks commercially viable, or could they be test/demo/proto labels? James jscarter(a)worldnet.att.net

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yo

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 11:39 PM 6/16/97 -0700, you wrote: >On this site was mention of the STacy laptop, an Atari ST laptop >(presumably). Anyone have or know anything about these? Sounds >interesting, and I vaguely remember hearing about it years ago. The STacy is, I guess, a laptop, but it's one of those where you need a good sized lap. Still, a nice, compact machine, with built-in midi -- hence it's popularity with touring musicians. I think it was the Arsenio Hall show where the band leader had a STacy prominently displayed on stage (and working). If you're thinking of a true laptop, it's probably the ST Book, a notebook like computer that was ST compatible. Never came out, though, AFAIK. I've got a "Midi Magazine" (or something like that) that featured the ST Book on the cover. Shame that it didn't make it out (would've even been better as a Falcon-book) because it would have been one hell of a musician's tool. (My ST's and Falcons are *not* in my collection because they're still (in theory -- oh, if only I didn't have to work for a living) in use in my studio.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Apple /// booting and Franklin question

by thedm＠sunflower.com

To use boot from a profile, you really can't you use a disk that boots the profiler. It's not really booting from it, but it is. I don't really understand it, just that the disk that came with my apple/// does it ---------- > From: Kai Kaltenbach <kaikal(a)MICROSOFT.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Apple /// booting and Franklin question > Date: Tuesday, June 17, 1997 6:35 PM > > I think I saw this go by once before on the group, but - > > - How do you get an Apple /// to boot from the ProFile? > > Also: > > - Does anyone consider the Franklin Ace 1000 Apple II clone very > collectible? > > thanks > > Kai

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PCjr questions and TI 99/4A tidbit

by marcw＠lightside.com

> Is that true that there is a lots of add ons for this PCjr? I would > like to seperate the video to a proper video such as VGA card so it > would not hog up the main memory and boost it to 640k. Finally is > there a add on that allows me to plug a DMA chip in to speed up the > floppy? It is nice compact computer! What I planning is to make this > PCjr more of an real XT with SLOTS than a just a cheap > vanilla-favored PCjr. Where's is good source to find these parts? > PC Enterprises has a PCjr catalogue that they sent me for some reason. I used to get their Tandy parts catalogue. Assuming they're not going out of business call 'em up at 800-922-7257. They're on the east coast and keep banker's hours it seems. Best to get them in the morning. The catalogue I have is from '95 and is 111 pages thick with index. I'll email you later with the items you asked about with descriptions and prices. Marc -- >> ANIME SENSHI << Marc D. Williams marcw(a)lightside.com marc.williams(a)mb.fidonet.org IRC Nick: Senshi Channel: #dos #IrcHelp http://www.agate.net/~tvdog/internet.html -- DOS Internet Tools

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Apple Lisa parts -- Get 'em while you can...

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Ok, here's a twist. A 'rescue' of computer parts rather than whole machines? Anyone else think this might be worthwhile? -jim --- begin forwarded message --- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 04:13:37 GMT From: Tom Stepleton <ude.ltsuw.icstra%telpetss.REVERSE_TO_MAIL_ME(a)nac.no> Newsgroups: comp.society.folklore Subject: Apple Lisa parts -- Get 'em while you can... I realize that this may not be of general interest. I apologize in advance to those I might bore or annoy... This is probably nothing to be excited about, but... A friend has recently informed me that Sam Neulinger of New York's DAFAX is sending some Apple Lisa parts in rather poor condition to the recycler by afternoon (EST) tomorrow. AFAIK, they comprise mostly of items like video boards, power supplies, and some Macintosh XL hard disks, all in various states of disrepair but still good for salvage or fixing-up. There are probably various other tarnished gems as well. If anyone would like to have these parts, I am sure that Mr. Neulinger would just as soon sell them to a hobbyist as to a scrap dealer. Keep in mind that it is probably not in his interest to sell these items piecemeal -- any buyer would have to purchase these items bulk. Also keep in mind that a buyer would not have to buy EVERYTHING. So, it's up to anyone who is interested and has the cash. I have neither the money nor the space to house these items. Whatever; either they end up under a soldering iron or in a recycling bin. DAFAX will still sell working Lisa parts, but will not maintain power supplies any longer as it is not profitable for them. DAFAX's number is (718)746-8220. Thanks, --Tom TI-82: :For(A,0,9):0>D:For(B,0,A):A nCr B>C:Text(6A,D,C) :D+5(int log C+1)>D:End:End --- end of forwarded message --- --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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Digital Controls Inc. Training Cartridges?

by thedm＠sunflower.com

any chance for a PC Jr? maybe a TI/99? ---------- > From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Digital Controls Inc. Training Cartridges? > Date: Tuesday, June 17, 1997 2:22 PM > > A while back, I "saved" some cartridges from being tossed. The label > says "Digital Controls, Learning Center, Multiplan (title varies > depending on cartridge), Registerd Trademark of Microsoft Corporations, > Copyright Digital Controls, Inc." The other titles I have are "Preview > 1", "Lotus", "dBase II", "Wordstar", "IBM PC", and "Multimate". Anyone > out there know what these are and what they go to? Thanks!

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TRS-80 Differences?

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> In checking through the TRS-80 Model I computers, I noticed two > different catalog numbers, 26-1001 and 26-1006. I also noticed that one > of the 26-001 computer has a sticker saying "Note - This unit has the > lower case modification kit installed (Cat. No. 26-1104.) Since most of > these machines have been previously owned by early computer users, > needless to say most have been modified in one way or another. Anyone > know the differences between the different catalog numbers? Thanks. I don't suppose one number is for Level I BASIC and the other is for Level II BASIC? Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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yo

by dastar＠crl.com

A couple things: First, if you are an Atari fan, or not, either way, go check out: http://members.aol.com/cvendel/vaporware.html An EXCELLENT page with lots of photos of unreleased Atari prototypes. Great history. A great site. On this site was mention of the STacy laptop, an Atari ST laptop (presumably). Anyone have or know anything about these? Sounds interesting, and I vaguely remember hearing about it years ago. Also, the Aquarius prototype photos on: http://www.webcom.com/~makingit/bluesky/aquarius.html#aquarius2 are startling! That would have been a most awesome computer! I'm biased since I grew up on the Aquarius. But man, what a nice classic that would've made. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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Good Old Days

by foxvideo＠mail.wincom.net

Sunday AM, while waiting for Windows 95 to boot on my trusty Hewitt-Rand 386-33, I found myself browsing through a copy of the June 1982 edition of Creative Computing. Editorial content included an evaluation of the Osborne I, an article on "Mass Storage Options" in which the writer encourages readers to forsake audio cassettes and advance to the 5 1/4" floppy drives, or even (gasp) one of the Winchester hard drives which will store five or even ten megs of data! (An advertisement on page 189 quotes $3339.00 for five megs capacity.) On page 116 Osmo A. Wiio, professor of communications, deplores the unreadability of computer documentation. Ads offer floppies for $ 1.90, 48K of ram for your Atari for $ 299.00, and on the inside rear cover a young looking William Shatner is flogging the Vic 20. "Under $ 300.00, the best computer value in the world today. The only computer you'll need for years to come." Well, Win95 is up on the 386, got to go. Cheers Charlie Fox

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Good Old Days

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Tigerdirect has 386-to-486 upgrade CPUs (for DX or SX) for $19.95 Kai > ---------- > From: Mr. Self Destruct > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 1997 10:20 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: Good Old Days > > On Tue, 17 Jun 1997, Charles E. Fox wrote: > > > Well, Win95 is up on the 386, got to go. > > > > Cheers > > Charlie Fox > > OOOH, That's GOTTA hurt! You poor sadistic soul! > > Les > >

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Apple /// stuff (was: Re: This weekend's haul)

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I have messed with a few apple/// drives, and yes, you can recalibrate them the same way. Excessivly noisey drives in my experience though is not always a bad floppy drive, but rather there is a C-clip retainer that keeps the rotor spindle at the correct height. This C clip is on top of the spindle just below the plastic disk that supports the bottom of the disk. When this clip is missing the flywheel at the bottom of the drives falls down about 1/4" and drags on the bottom of the case. If you don't see this clip, you can remove the drive and sit it on it's side and it may boot. At least then you know if the hunt for a compatable C clip is worth it. ---------- > From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Apple /// stuff (was: Re: This weekend's haul) > Date: Friday, June 13, 1997 11:29 AM > > On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Doug Spence wrote: > > > I noticed that the cable that leads to the external floppy port has been > > badly crushed between the cast iron frame and the metal sheet that holds > > the motherboard, though. I'll have to remove it to see if any of the > > wires have been broken. :/ > > My internal floppy seems to be hosed. I can't boot any disks off of it. > Some bgin to boot but then go to error, others invoke this horrendous > recalibration that never ends. I assume the drive head is dirty and the > speed needs calibrating. I wonder if I can calibrate this drive like one > can the Disk ][? > > > I do need the system disks. I didn't get them with the machine. I wish > > there was some way to transfer them electronically, though... which is why > > I asked if there was a way of getting an Apple ][ to access a ///'s disks. > > I suppose the ///'s drive is double-sided, though. > > Doug, if you want I can e-mail NuFX (ShrinkIt) images to you. This would > be the quickest way for you to get them. You'd need an Apple // running > shrinkit of course. The disk format between the // and /// is identical. > > > Sam > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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PONG

by jscarter＠worldnet.att.net

At 09:28 PM 6/16/97 PST8PDT, you wrote: > >So when did the original Pong make its appearance. > >Marc Atari's Pong the Coin-op in Nov '72 Atari's Home Pong Console in late '74 Other videogame milestones of note: Higinbotham's Oscilloscope Tennis in Oct '58 Russell's PDP-1 Spacewar in '62 Baer's Cable TV game system in '68 Nutting's Computer Space Coin-op in '71 Magnovox's Odyssey Console in May '72 James jscarter(a)worldnet.att.net

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Victor 9000

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> I was running a 8086 system in 1980 that clearly blow the doors off a PC. > It was 8086 not 8088 at 5.0mhz and 16bit wide memory using standard > multibuss cards. By late 81 that machine was 8mhz, and 82 brought a copy of > PC dos to it. Early MSdos could be configured like CP/M. The PC was slow, > clunky, closed and expensive! By time the XT arrived still slow, clunky and > expensive there are several S100 and other systems that were very fast > 6/8/10 mhz 8088 or 8086 systems. I've been taking a look at Caldera's OpenDOS (aka Novell DOS 7, aka DR-DOS), and it still looks quite friendly to running on strange hardware. Other than a few references to our friend the A20 hack sprinkled throughout the non-BIOS (BIOS as in CBIOS or IBMBIO.SYS, not ROM BIOS) parts of a few modules, I've not run across any glaring PCness in the system. At first glance, it also looks like A20 stuff is set up by the BIOS initialization routine. In short, it should still be possible to configure DR-DOS for non-PC hardware. I can't speak for MS-DOS because sources aren't available... Of course, you will get no sympathy from the folks on the OpenDOS mailing lists if you talk about running DOS on non-PC hardware; they seem to be young enough to have never encountered the wide variety of machines that existed before the PC took over the world. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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Good Old Days

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> Sunday AM, while waiting for Windows 95 to boot on my trusty > Hewitt-Rand 386-33, I found myself browsing through a copy of the June 198 > edition of Creative Computing. Creative computing was always about 2-3 years behind or worse. > (gasp) one of the Winchester hard drives which will store five or even te > megs of data! (An advertisement on page 189 quotes $3339.00 for five megs nov/dec 1980 _s100 Microsystems_ MOrrow designs (thinker toys) DISCUS 26mb hard dive system_ $4995 (ithaca) Intersystems DPX-2a (z8002 16 bit cpu) basise machine $4795 Northstar* Horizon-2 (DD controller) z80 4 mhz 32k ram (assembled/tested) $2699 Allison

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PONG

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Pong is not the first video game. Nolan Bushnell, who later founded Atari, did Pong. Several years before Pong, Nolan created a more sophisticated game called Computer Space, built by Nutting and Associates. Computer Space was the first arcade video game. Atari home Pong was the first home video game. Magnavox Odyssey1 was the first home video game system. Trust me, I own all of them. Kai > -----Original Message----- > From: e.tedeschi [SMTP:e.tedeschi@ndirect.co.uk] > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 1997 9:20 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: PONG > > Doeas anybody have a photograph of "PONG" the first video game ever? > Or > where I can find one? I have never seen it and I don't know how it > looks > like so I will not be able to recognize it if I ever bump into one. > > Thanks > > enrico > -- > ================================================================ > Enrico Tedeschi, 54, Easthill Drive, BRIGHTON BN41 2FD, U.K. > tel/fax +(0)1273 701650 (24 hours) or 0850 104725 mobile > website <http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~e.tedeschi> > ================================================================ > visit Brighton: <http://www.brighton.co.uk/tourist/welcome.htm> >

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