- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Okay, I asked a simple question. Got 3 differnt answers, and folks referring to "over here" and whatever. I live in the US, I will need to go to radio shack to build this. Which diagram is the safest, what parts do I need, and what do I do. ---------- > From: jpero(a)mail.cgo.wave.ca > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: IBM PCjr Allright????? > Date: Monday, June 23, 1997 12:27 PM > > > > Yes, I've seen that convention. But if you buy a transformer over here, > > the connection tags will be labelled 0V and 17V or whatever. I've never > > seen a physical transformer marked with a dot (that's not to say they > > don't exist). > Yeah, nothing marked to tell us of phases. :) So that invites > mistakes by unwary who makes power supplies on their own. That why I > offered warning. :) > > (hey, my power supply did not work...) eyes up. :) > > Jason D.

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by thedm＠sunflower.com

What am I making here? Do we know yet? ---------- > From: jpero(a)mail.cgo.wave.ca > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: IBM PCjr > Date: Monday, June 23, 1997 9:51 AM > > Hello Tony, > > > > >From memory the central pin is chassis ground and the outside 2 are 18V AC > > at about 3A. > Actually 34vac 2amp center tapped transformer. The center tap goes > to ground, what else how can negative voltages can be generated so > it needs this ground. The both outside 2 pins for 17v ac lines goes > there. The card rectify it to generate 3 dc voltages, two is > positive and other one is negative. Bulk of the components is used > to generate 5vdc, and a wimpy 12vdc source for the floppy drive and > fan. And last one is in very small current negative current -12v dc > which takes this voltage and go through a 7905 regulator to get -5v > dc, both voltages are strictly for serial use and little use for > else. > > Funny, instead of 60hz, you get the same type of circuit design in > secondary side in lots of switching power supplies with few minor > differences. > > The limits to overdrive if you do, both card and slot is due to the > current limit allowance per contact on that slot. :( Leave it to be > and parallel the seperate power sources to the sidecars if they have > them. Another problem with this is that 3 connections is not enough > to carry more than 2amp on each socket. > > By the way, I am Electomechanical major in training "on hold". :) > > > The manual doesn't give the schematics of the transformer unit (it does > > for the PSU card in the main unit), and it's not clear from the > > description whether the AC input is centre-tapped to ground or not. > > Looking at the schematics, I think that it is _NOT_ > > Oh yes, I did saw the techref for the outside PSU transformer is > pretty simple just a disconnectable center tapped transformer. > One thing I hated that they did not give us the that schematics for > that power card module which I revsere engineered instead! > > Jason D.

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cocos and stuff

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

The Color Computers were: Color Computer 1: Silver/black, 4K-64K Color Computer 2: White, 4K-64K Color Computer 3: White, 64K-128K Micro Color Computer: White, tiny, 4K I've never heard of a TDP-100. The Color Computers had ROM BASIC and most serious users ran an operating system called OS-9 which was kind of like TopView. Expansion is via the cartridge slot. The floppy disk interface was implemented as a cartridge, with the floppy OS in ROM in the controller cartridge. CoCo floppy drives are rare. Floppies stored 156K. There was also a hard disk cartridge, believe it or not; plus, a Multi-Pak Interface which allowed you to connect four different carts and switch between them. There are lots of CoCo fanatics around, somebody probably sells parts and maybe even schematics. In regard to the Inboard/386, as I recall it had 1MB 32-bit RAM on the card, and could optionally use motherboard RAM which of course ran at a much slower rate. My memories may be confused with the Inboard/386 AT, but I seem to remember a daughtercard which could store an additional 2MB or so. Good luck finding a daughtercard though. Kai > ---------- > From: allisonp@world.std.com[SMTP:allisonp@world.std.com] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 1997 11:01 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: cocos and stuff > > HI, > > In my non-op list of equipment I have three cocos apparently > operational. > They are of two different styles. > > The smaller is the TRS80 color computer with real keys on the > keyboard. > I have two of these one the case was wiped out, board is ok. > > The larger is TDP-100 personal color computer with chiclet keys. > > Lacking docs I presume these have rom Basic. What expansion is > possible > (there is a port) and how hard. Do they run any real OSs or some > TRShack? > > What's the odds of finding DOCS especially schematics? > > > I have a xt class machine with an Intel Inboard386...(works too!) > what's the > odds of finding schemtics or expansion ram for it? The 1meg of ram is > tight > for somne stuff. Currently I use it as a 10x faster xt. > > Allison >

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PETs ( was Who was in Australia?)

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> %I've been looking for a Jupiter Ace for over 10 years! Do you have any > %leads on them? The schematics were printed in The Computer Journal last year sometime. IIRC, The Computer Journal's URL is http://www.psyber.com/~tcj/. > I have a jupiter ace. It's sitting is a closet somewhere back in > Singapore. > > Another sign of the folly of my youth : I have a Jupiter Ace hanging around, also. However, I just built it last year. Unfortunately, I had to give the rubber keyboard and most of the memory back to the fellow I borrowed them from; I haven't yet gotten around to building a keyboard from aluminized mylar, cardboard, and Tyvek (this should give me a working keyboard, but it will be of ZX80 quality). I've also found enough 2114s in an old MDA card to bring my Ace back to life... > the machine is stripped out, > the TV modulator is missing I don't have a modulator in mine. I gummed a 15-pin D connector to it so I could drive a spare DEC VR201 I had lying around (yes, the VR201 apparently does have enough range to do PAL; it worked great). Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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Cocos

by bwit＠pobox.com

Actually, I believe that Hot Coco was a mag published by Wayne Green of 80-Micro and Byte fame. Regards, Bob ---------- From: Mike Sprague[SMTP:sprague@VivaNET.com] Sent: Sunday, June 22, 1997 9:40 AM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Re: Cocos e.tedeschi wrote: > > Just to help me understand better...when you refer to Cocos, do you > refer to the Tandy TRS-80 COlour COmputers? Yes. I don't know where the name origionally started, but the support magazine Tandy put out was called Hot CoCo. ~ Mike

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Introduction

by manney＠nwohio.com

You aren't the only one who does old PC's...that's my business (I recondition old XT/AT's and sell them. Send strange questions to me. I also still sell an occasional Commodore piece! > My main interests (although I enjoy reading all of this) is the older > systems based on the IBM-PC (XT & AT class) machines and PS/2s which I > know is a bit more current than many of you like. I also have a > Commodore 64 and Plus/4 and periphs, I guess I can qualify based on > that.

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Apple II hardware design

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"A.R. Duell" <ard12(a)eng.cam.ac.uk> writes: > I've never liked bit-banged serial ports either (except on > microcontrollers). They always seem to have problems with full-duplex > operation. Yes, Apple sold a bit-banged serial port for a time - I have > one with the manual (which, amazingly contains instructions on linking it > to an ASR33), presumably to save a UART chip. They then sold one that > worked properly (in full-duplex mode, etc) under the name 'super serial > card'. It used (IIRC) a 6850 chip (or was it a 6551?) Hmm? What was that bit-banged serial port? If you look in the Apple ][ red book, there is a little circuit in there that plugs into the game I/O connector and drives a 20mA current loop. Alongside there is a short assembly program to drive it. Now there is a bit-banger. There was an unspectacular serial card for the ][. I don't recall it being a bit banger, just that the combination of it and the printer I was using at the time (an IDS BrighterWriter) wasn't smart enough to manage any sort of common flow control, so that I had to run it at 300 baud. I thought it had some sort of UART-like thing, but maybe my brain is going again. Hmm, I think it was called the Asynchronous Serial Interface or something like that. There was also a Synchronous Serial Interface that (I recently found out) was the Silentype printer interface. I don't remember the Mountain Hardware CPS card that well, and I feel very good about that based on what I do remember. Now there was a klu[d]ge. The Apple Super Serial Card was designed around a 6551. There were a couple of other cards designed around the 6850. The Hayes Micromodem ][ was one of these. ... Strange as it seems today (now that I have done some programming around PC-contemptible serial ports), the Apple ][ serial cards and software generally worked by software-polling-hardware. The only serial card I can remember supporting interrupts was the Super Serial Card, and I can't say that I ever saw it used that way. Certainly none of the "standard" software required it; interrupts just weren't generally done on Apple ][s. -Frank McConnell

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Vector 3-5030

by dbetz＠xlisper.mv.com

Does anyone know anything about the Vector 3-5030 from Vector Graphics? Is it considered a collectable? I recently found one at the town dump and brought it home. It displays some sort of ROM monitor screen when it comes up with version number 4.2. It has a dual floppy drive but no software. I assume it is a CP/M machine since one of the boards in the S-100 card cage has a Z80 on it. -- David Betz DavidBetz(a)aol.com dbetz(a)xlisper.mv.com (603) 472-2389

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Introduction

by rector＠christcom.net

Hello, I guess it's about time that I introduce myself. I've been lurking here for a month or better. I guess I really have not responded before because I didn't really have much to add especially to the discussions of late 70's stuff and the discussions of minis. My main interests (although I enjoy reading all of this) is the older systems based on the IBM-PC (XT & AT class) machines and PS/2s which I know is a bit more current than many of you like. I also have a Commodore 64 and Plus/4 and periphs, I guess I can qualify based on that. I really didn't start out to be a collector, but kind of fell into it. The Plus/4 was the first computer my family ever had, so I've now taken over the care and nurturing of it. I picked up my C64 a couple of years ago from my former minister who had is sitting in his closet. He had two 1541s, a MPS-803 printer, vicmodem, fast load cartrigde, joystick, and monitor, plus a ton of software. He wanted $30 for the lot after I enquired. I was in hog heaven but why wife rolled up her eyes and said "What are you going to do with THAT!" The XTs and PS/2s were give aways. I've really been having fun with the PS/2 Mod 60 (a 286 w/ one 1M and 40M HD). I have been watching AuctionWeb and have added pieces to bring it up to a '486 with 8 meg with SCSI periphs. One of the more interesting 'gives' I have since obtained is the Amstrad PC1512 - It's an XT class machine with built in joystick port in the keyboard (uses same joystick as C64), built it mouse port, serial and parrallel built in with the expansion slots going left to right rather than front to back. The power supply for the whole thing is in the monitor. The case has a 'cutout' for the the stand of the monitor to fit into. It also uses 4 AA bateries for the clock which are easily accessible (move the monitor). It is really a neat design. I live in Rochester, MN - so I'm not close to either coast (but Canada isn't that far away) Dan

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PET

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

> From: Paul E Coad <pcoad(a)crl.com> > Subject: Re: Who was in Australia? >On Fri, 20 Jun 1997, Kai Kaltenbach wrote: >> Subject: Mint Commodore PET FOR Sale >> From: "Stephen McCoy and Charmiane Barr" >> <mrsmrx(a)efni.com> >> Date: 1997/06/17Message-Id: >> <01bc7b43$fddee5c0$b8933dcf@charmaine> >> Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga[More Headers] >I'll bite on this. How much is one of these worth? I have almost >zero experience with PETs having only seen 2 in person. What are the >relative rarities of the various models of PETs? Did they make a >bunch of them? Are they really common in some places and pretty >rare in others? As everyone says worth is a relative term, some computers that hvae high perceived values are given to people, etc. This is a question YOU have to answer as a collector, no one can set your price for you. Well alot of the PETS were purchased by schools and some businesses, prices for the computer back then when they were new (1977-1981) ranged >from $700-$1,200, disk drives were about $1,000 for a dual drive model. Nowadays in my region of California schools have been ridding themselves of them at a high rate. The computers are not too terribly hard to come by but the drives are harder to find. Rarity? Hmm, probably the most interesting is the original series with it's colorful calculator-style keyboard (circa 1977) and in-case cassette unit. Next I would say is the SuperPET (circa 1981, the last of the line, which I described about two digests ago) with it's mainframe-friendly, multi-language ability. All units had monochrome displays and either 40x25 or 80x25 screens (no hi-res graphics without 3rd party hardware), the BASIC is almost exacly the same as in the Commodore 64 or VIC-20 and uses a 6502 processor. Memory ranged from the first 4k units (a short run), 8k, 16k and 32k with some of the latter 80 column machines sporting 96k expansion bnoards. There are a few collections of programs available on the internet with most still to be re-discovered. >The ones I have seen are pretty cool looking in a retro-future kind of way. That's true, back then they 'looked' like a modern computer, more than some of the other computers (which looked like the steel boxes they were in). You can spot them as props in movies now and again (Star Trek II, in Kirk's apartment). They were fun, and they were pretty good even for their limitations. If you are a fan of Commodore computers it is a nice addition to have some PETs in the house. ;) >Also note that whois reports that efni.com is in Canada. The machine >might not be in Australia. Commodore was pretty big for a good while in other countries as they had the foresight to start manufacturing plants internationally (Germany was probably one of its largest). As far as shipping a PET it would require a very sturdy box about the size needed for a 19" television and would weigh 30 to 40 pounds. -- Larry Anderson -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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C64 CP/M carts

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> Z-80 CP/M -- This cartridge goes right into the cartridge slot to turn > your machine into a Z-80 base computer enabling you to access the vast > array of CP/M software. With over 2000 CP/M software programs > available, there is little you will not be able to access. That's 20,000 and for those with a PC Walnut Creek produces a CP/M cdrom that has most all of them. They also have titles online WWW.cdrom.com Allison

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IBM PCjr

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Welp, that rules out rigging one, thats beyond my techincal ability to fabricate. Anyone have an Extra for sale or trade? ---------- > From: jpero(a)mail.cgo.wave.ca > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: IBM PCjr > Date: Monday, June 23, 1997 8:44 AM > > > Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:13:59 -0500 > > Reply-to: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > > From: "Bill Girnius" <thedm(a)sunflower.com> > > To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > > Subject: IBM PCjr > > X-To: "Classic" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > > > Picked up one of these the other day, no power supply, anyone know what > > this monster needs for the 3 pin powersupply connection? {pinouts} > > > Center tapped ransformer is used. Both 17v ac at 2amp each on each > outmost pins, center pin is the center tapped wire for transformer. > > Kind of kludge. But I worked out a pinout for that power slot to use > regular efficient power supply via a custom adapter. > > Jason D.

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info about...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

I have a PC05 card (LSI-11) it's a punch reader interface. This one is different...it's a virgin bare board! Anyone that want's it let me know. Anyone know what a DEC 54-17101/2- ACTOR video daughter is used on? I have two of these. Allison

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FS on AuctionWeb: Apple, Atari, Commodore

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

I apologize for the intrusion but I just bought a lot of Apple service parts for older apples (IIe, IIc, IIGS) and listed some of the ones I don't need on the auction. They were supposedly in stock at a service facility when they cleaned out the old stuff. I'mm still intending on clearing out most of my stuff but I couldn't pass up a good deal. I did get some parts for my laserwriter, Mac plus, a couple new in box 400k drives. Too bad I had to buy 30 boxes to get the 5 things I wanted. ;-) There are also some systems listed. Here's what I have listed there as of today: Apple IIe Power Supply (new in box!) Bidding starts at: $1.00 Auction ends on: 06/29/97, 11:58:50 PDT http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=egt71446 IBM PS/2 MOD 50 Mother Board (in box) Bidding starts at: $1.00 Auction ends on: 06/29/97, 12:07:10 PDT http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=lbl753 Apple IIe Ext 80 Column/RGB Card (in box) Current bid: $1.00 Auction ends on: 06/29/97, 17:54:14 PDT http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=jaq4937 bjv77574: Apple IIGS Memory Expansion Card (in box) Current bid: $1.00 Auction ends on: 06/29/97, 17:58:41 PDT http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=bjv77574 oyf368: Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer I (photo) Current bid: $3.00 Auction ends on: 06/29/97, 19:33:30 PDT http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=oyf368 fwr8114: Radio Shack TRS-80 5 MB Ext. Hard Drive (pic) Bidding starts at: $3.00 Auction ends on: 06/29/97, 20:19:52 PDT http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=fwr8114 Pair Apple IIc, IIe Handcontrollers (photo) Current bid: $1.00 Auction ends on: 06/26/97, 12:40:28 PDT http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=sfx4367 Commodore 128D System Current bid: $51.00 Auction ends on: 06/26/97, 21:12:47 PDT http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=qrk459038 Commodore 64 - White Current bid: $10.00 Auction ends on: 06/26/97, 21:16:04 PDT http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=wbj37502 Apple IIC System with External Floppy Current bid: $10.50 Auction ends on: 06/26/97, 21:22:31 PDT http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=hxz389 Atari 520ST Computer, Floppy, Mouse, etc Current bid: $50.00 Auction ends on: 06/26/97, 21:26:58 PDT http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=czo512

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apple II - SCORE!

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I use alcohol, windex, fingernail paint remover and other noxious things to clean apple][ cases, just avoid getting the nastiest of these solvents on things like the little lite that says power, or the apple ][ logos on monitors or the name badge at the top of the machine. I've also heard that some people will dissasemble the computer leaving the empty shell, take out EVERYTHING, and run the plastic case through the dishwasher, not using the Heated drying cycle of course. As for key repair, they are little plastic wedges that are shoved against two vertically mounted contacts, counter forced by a small spring. You can not remove the keys without damage. To repair a keyboard you have two options, One, Replace the entire keyboard, or aquire a ][ for parts and remove the keyboard from the unit, the contacts are soldered into the keyboard cirucuit board. You can then replace the switch. The Key caps can be removed. but you can't get to the switch of course without destroying it, or desoldering it as a unit. I have manually recontructed them before, but they never seem to work quite right once forced open, but the do function enough to use as long as it's not an alpha charcter, or god forbid the enter key. ---------- > From: J. Maynard Gelinas <maynard(a)jmg.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: apple II - SCORE! > Date: Sunday, June 22, 1997 11:57 PM > > > OK, I just got my first decent item since I stopped collecting > several years ago. This is an original apple II, serial number 7833. It > came with what appears to be the Microsoft basic language card. The card > contains six 24 pin sockets, five filled by PROMs (C48040; each with an > APPLE 1978 sticker), a red switch on the back, and another sticker on the > board's surface reading: 851. Just below that sticker printed on the card > it says ROM CARD 600. There's also a disk II interface card, circa '78, > but the drive itself was unavailable. Could someone verify if that card > *is* the Integer BASIC replacement, or Microsoft BASIC? > > The motherboard is functional, video works just fine, it seems > filled out with 48K of that old Military grade metal topped RAM; obviously > the PSU is good. The keyboard is a mess, hoewver. It's been sitting in a > basement for years, so many keys have gummed up; some seem to have been > in a perpetual depressed state waiting out obsolesence like Atlas. The > machine itself is filthy. The plastic case has just burned in grime from > years of use and then even more years of basement ambiance. > > I'm guessing that some folks here may know a bit more about > system restoration. Mind if I ask a few questions? > > How do I go about cleaning this without destroying the case? Does > anyone know of some good solvents or cleaners for plastic? > > Can I pull a keytop off the keyboard without destroying the key? > If it's really bad I guess I could change keyboards - but I'd really like > to attempt to get this guy working, as it was the original. > > > And then there's stuff: I lack a floppy disk drive. Hmmm... how > rare is hard disk technology that will work with this apple? Hahaha, > here's a good one: does anyone know if ever there's been manufactured > 10base-T cards, or am I just dreaming here? If so, guess I'll be looking > for a SuperSerial card as well. > > And basic 'dumb' (no time to RTFM quite yet!!) questions: How do > I get out of the ROM monitor into BASIC? I guess I need some basic DOCS > here as well as a good technical reference, huh?. I figure most of the > 'stuff' can be had on comp.sys.apple2.marketplace and the M.I.T. flea > fest approaching on July 20. If anyone wishes, however, please feel free > to offer items for sale. I want to get this computer clean and > *functional*, but I'm also not in a hury to do it tomorrow. ;-) > > Price: I got it FREE! 8-)) > > And the guy couldn't imagine why I'd want it!!! > > J. Maynard Gelinas

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Hams who collect

by timolmst＠cyberramp.net

At 01:25 PM 6/22/97 -0700, you wrote: >I see a number of references to people who get things at hamfests, >swapfests, and other amateur radio type events. As such, I was just >curious who out there has their amateur radio license. I have one and >my call is KE6HTS. > I'm WB5PFJ, but VERY inactive. Tim Olmstead timolmst(a)cyberramp.net

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Current for trade/wanted list

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

FOR TRADE: - Osborne 1 (with copy of Osborne CP/M system disk) - Kaypro 2 (good condition, no boot disk, though it's available through the cp/m archive) - Commodore PET 2001 (full size graphics keyboard version, looks great, one small hole drilled in front panel, probably for a switch) - Tandy Color Computer 1 (good condition, some cosmetic wear at hand positions) - Macintosh 128 with keyboard and mouse - Macintosh 512 in original box with keyboard and mouse - VIC-20 in original box with PS - Commodore 64 in original box with PS - Timex-Sinclair ZX1000 (no PS but it takes standard 9VDC I believe) (game systems) - Vectrex system, very rare, yes this is the original *vector graphic monitor* console game system by Milton Bradley/GCE - Odyssey^2 system, PS, joysticks, in original box - Intellivision system, captive joypads & integral PS - Colecovision system, 2 controllers, PS WANTED: - Exidy Sorcerer - Processor Tech Sol-20 - Apple II (no suffix) - Apple Lisa - Apple /// - Compucolor II (software, parts, etc.) - TI 99/4A disk operating system cartridge - Expansion Interface for TRS-80 Model I - Tandy floppy for TRS-80 Model I - DOS master disks for Apple II+ - Tandy Color Computer I 5.25" disk software Kai

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bibliography

by e.tedeschi＠ndirect.co.uk

What do you think of this bibliography? Have I missed any important book on the subject? Please help me in making this a useful refence for everybody to use, if you care. Thank you HOME & PERSONAL COMPUTERS HISTORY BIBLIOGRAPHY Books listed as TITLE, AUTHOR, PUBLISHER AND PUBLICATION DATE - Computer lib/Dream Machines by Ted Nelson, self published in 1974 (reprinted by Tempus Books in an updated form in 1987) - An introduction to microcomputers (vol.0) by Adam Osborne, self published in 1977 - The personal computer book by Robin Bradbeer, Gower, 1980 - The making of the Micro by Christopher Evans, Victor Gollancz Ltd., 1981 - Illustrating Computers by Day & Alcock, Pan Books, 1982 - The personal computer handbook by Varley/Graham, Pan Books Ltd., 1983 - Fire in the Valley by Freiberger/Swaine, Osborne/McGraw-Hill, 1984 - Bit by bit, an illustrated history of computers by Stan Augarten, Ticknor and Fields, 1984 - The little Kingdom by Michael Moritz, William Morrow & Co. Inc., 1984 - Hackers by Steven Levy, Doubleday/Anchor, 1984 - Digital Deli by Steve Ditlea, Workman Publishing, 1984 - Silicon Valley Fever by Robers, Everett & Larson, Basic Books, 1984 - Woz by Doug Garr ? - The Third Apple by Jean-Louis Gassee, Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, 1985 - The Sinclair story by Rodney Dale, Duckworth, 1985 - Sinclair and the age of the rising sun technology by Adamson and Kennedy, Penguin, 1986 - John Sculley, Odissey by John Byrne, Harper & Row, 1987 - Steve Jobs, the journey is the reward by Jeffrey S. Young, Scott, Foresman & Co., 1988 - Accidental Millionaire by Lee Butcher, Paragon House, 1988 - West of Eden by Frank Rose, Viking, 1989 - Hard Drive by Wallace & Erickson, John Wiley & Sons, 1992 - Whole Earth Software review magazine, Whole Earth Review - Wired magazine - A collector's guide to PERSONAL COMPUTERS and pocket calculators (an historical, rarity and value guide) by Dr.Thomas F.Haddock, Books Americana, 1993 - Accidental Empires by Robert X.Cringely, Harper Business, 1993 - Insanely great by Steven Levy, Penguin Books, 1994 - The Microprocessor: a Biography by Michael S. Malone, Telos/Springer-Verlag, 1995 - The Chip and How It Changed the World (History and Invention) by Ian Locke, 1995. NOTE: If I had to have only one book I would choose Computer lib. Some of these books are out of print. If you would like to find them you will have to go through a book finding service. I use Culpin's Bookshop, 3827 W.32nd Ave., Denver, CO 80211, USA. The ones in print can be ordered through your local bookshop or by post from Computer Literacy bookshop, 2590 North First Street, SAN JOSE', CA 95131, USA, tel.(703) 734-7771, fax (703) 734-7773. -- ================================================================ Enrico Tedeschi, 54, Easthill Drive, BRIGHTON BN41 2FD, U.K. tel/fax +(0)1273 701650 (24 hours) or 0850 104725 mobile website <http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~e.tedeschi> ================================================================ visit Brighton: <http://www.brighton.co.uk/tourist/welcome.htm>

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Kaypro 10 needs home

by KFergason＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-06-22 22:13:42 EDT, you write: << Have a mint condition Kaypro 10, complete with all manuals. Looks like it came out of the box. Works great, all original software. If you know of anyone who has a serious interest, please e-mail me. Don Sarno >> I would be interested. what are you looking for? Kelly

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Apple ][ design (was: Bad feelings)

by BROBSTONA＠wartburg.edu

>I can understand why the Apple ][ has a significant following - it was a >machine that was 'open', that hackers could get inside, etc. But I also >know that it's not a good piece of hardware design, and thus don't put it >high up my list of interesting machines. Perhaps I am merely biased from growing up with the Apple ][ at school and, later, at home, but I would say that some of the design is ingenious. I do know that many a programmer has complained about the arrangement of the high-resolution screen in memory (which was arranged the way it is to save components). But, I find the economy of this feature fascinating. The Apple ][ and its successors had great capabilities for expansion (with the possible exception of the IIc and IIc+). A IIe has the capability of using a hand-held scanner, for instance, with the right slot card and the right software. I'm sure the IIe wasn't designed originally for that task. There are numerous other examples as well. Your mileage may vary, of course. -- Andy Brobston brobstona(a)wartburg.edu ***NEW URL BELOW*** http://www.wartburg.edu/people/docs/personalPages/BrobstonA/home.html My opinions do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Wartburg College as a whole.

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Apple ][ design (was: Bad feelings)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

I never thought much of the apple design save for it was there and successful by the only standard that counts...they sold like hotcakes. It's not a technical judgement as that really didn't count! there were some machines I considered poor, TRS-80-M1, at a time when z80 was minimally 2mhz and many pushing 2.5 it plodded at 1.7, but it was a complete machine for much less than many of it's kind and available through a nationally known store. Price vs performance _and_ popularity drove a market not real technology. If it was useable and met the current market expectations it sold well. If there was one significant impact apple made it was in the idea of low cost software. Apples were not the home of $350 basic interpreters or $500 compilers. But at one time I counted not less that 5 distictly different OSs. Some were pretty poor but the drive to improve the beast was there. Allison

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Shipping Abroad, bla, bla, bla

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

Thought I would toss out some of my experiences with shipping out of the country. I've sold a few items to various people in other countries (not all computer stuff though). Only problem I've had was waiting for payment. Sometimes it's not sent, sometimes it get's lost. The buyer covers shipping and any taxes/duty when they get delivery. Japan: I sold a couple old Apples as I think they're pretty popular for collectibles there. Hard to find. Some people I sold to were US citizens living there. Shipping is cheapest via USPS slow boat and the customs paperwork is one small form. Australia: Sold some small stuff. Payment arrived faster than most US mail. Shipping is cheap for under 4 lbs "small packets" via USPS and again Customs is a piece of cake. Europe: Austria, Italy. They seem to have a problem with the mail. I sold some cheaper stuff so the buyer sent a money order - lost. Then he sent cash - lost. Ended up wiring the money. According to him he sent out 12 payments at one time and 5 never arrived at the destination. I'd say wiring money is better. Again customs is easy. USPS tells you what to fill out. Canada: Piece of cake. Just be honest on the contents/value. Guam: Shipping is really cheap because its serviced by USPS. Like mailing within the continental US! There was some controversy a while back about exporting collectibles. Supposedly you could buy a concours collector's car for $20k, ship it to europe or Japan and sell it for $50k. Some collectors thought this was treason or something. I really don't know. What I usually sell doesn't fall into any "rare" category and most of it was sold all over the world anyway, just in lesser quantities or slightly different versions. One guy I sold to was in the US. I asked him why he was buying a pile of old Apples, he was putting together complete systems and shipping them to Japan. Funny, Apple had/has a ton of manufacturing in Japan. I wonder if they limit sales there.

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Free DRI, CP/M, MP/M etc. docs

by shoppa＠alph02.triumf.ca

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BOOK The History of Computers

by ynagasaw＠ic.sunysb.edu

It was sold out. I am sorry. Yujin ---------- > ???o?l : PG Manney <manney(a)nwohio.nwohio.com> > ???? : Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > ???? : Re: BOOK The History of Computers > ???M???? : 1997?N6??20?? 20:22 > > I'd like to buy. Can I reserve it? Please e-mail me with your address and > I'll send you a check. (woukd you prefer money order? some sort of trade? I > have scads of old computer stuff.) > Manney > > ---------- > > From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > > To: Manney > > Subject: FS: BOOK The History of Computers > > Date: Friday, June 20, 1997 1:52 PM > > > > For Sale: > > > > The History of Computers -A Family Alubum of Computer Genealogy- > > by Les Freed > > ZD press > > ISBN 1-56276-275-3 > > all color and lots of pictures and illustrations > > > > $12 (shipping included within the United States, original price is > $24.95) > >

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Classsic Computing Newsgroup revisited

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

About a month or two back we were discussing starting a newsgroup for classic computer collectors. I just wanted to mention there is a somewhat related newsgroup on the net that could use some activity: alt.technology.obsolete I am for it, I have it on my news sites to check and in the last few months I have maybe seen three messages in it (two being multi-newsgroup spams) Whaddya guys (and gals) think? Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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A trip back in time in Boston

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> In particular, none of the Altairs I saw people building in the > mid-70's worked as designed; there were typos in the assembly instructions > and to get reliable front panel operation most people had to tweak > the one-shots that controlled the timing. Some of these > modifications are well documented by John Zarella, in his Byte > (1975:4 p78) article "Assembling an Altair 8800". RE:8800 (A version) BIG TIME! As someone that built one of the first it was a dog to get going and I had scopes and all the goodies. I'd also worked with the 8008 before and was Intelized as it were. A friend build one about 6 months later and it was still flakey as hell. First of many mods was to get the damm oneshots off the cpu card and put in a 8224 clock generator. I got mine to a stable state but when the S4K memories came out I upgraded asap. Better but far >from great. To many oneshots. In late '78 I transfered my IO, NS* MDS to a new HORIZON box with a 4mhz z80. used the altair for a few years to support testing (front pannel). I put it in mothballs about 84 and will likely never use it again. To highly modified to even consider museum piece and in '79 it suffered a lightining hit and was never right since. Allison

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A little guidance - TI Xenix

by danjo＠xnet.com

I realize this is a little off-topic (last build was about 1987 or 88) but I have my self in a corner 8-) There are a couple of windows I could crawl thru if I HAD to. I have a pristene TI Xenix 386DX16 system. I have access to one account and - you guessed it - it ain't root! Nobody seems to remember the root password 8-( I can't believe that I can't break into this thing! I don't have the original disks (I haven't dug that far into ALL my docs) but it has a SCSI Tape drive and two 8 port serial adaptors and some *special* TI card. It has 2 140 MB MFM drives and I want to keep both the drivers for the multiport boards and the SCSI board. I think I can get it to run Linux but I *really* don't want to blow away the Xenix. So - does any body know where I can find a way into Xenix? Are there any archives of CERT Advisories on glaring holes I can worm my way into editing the passwd file or something? I realize I could run CRACK but since that isn't what I normally do for FUN I was hoping the mass intellegence and huge experience in this list might be able to help 8-) All suggestions are welcome - except blowing it away. BC

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Why?

by e.tedeschi＠ndirect.co.uk

What's wrong with this (virtual) "group" ??? Of all the collecting groups I belong to, this is the only one where my (and I suppose other's) public (and private) requests for help have been ignored and (worse) I suspect even opposed. Is there something I don't know? If this the case I would like to know. Thank you. Also your caper to insist on having ALL the items in the collection in working condition is, in my opinion, unique to this group. I can understand (and share) the motivation but surely we (I?) collect for the design point of view and for the historical importance. Don't we? Or am I in the wrong group anyway? Sorry for the frankness but I thought I'd get this one out of my chest before it gets even worse (I am still owed at least 5 replies to my messages) in that I will be banned from this mailing list. Hope not. What is your problem? Hoping to have a straight answer I am Yours sincerely enrico -- ================================================================ Enrico Tedeschi, 54, Easthill Drive, BRIGHTON BN41 2FD, U.K. tel/fax +(0)1273 701650 (24 hours) or 0850 104725 mobile website <http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~e.tedeschi> ================================================================ visit Brighton: <http://www.brighton.co.uk/tourist/welcome.htm>

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bibliography

by manney＠nwohio.com

Anyone want some DEC Rainbow software? I have Symphony, plus some accounting stuff and misc manuals. Pay shipping (from Ohio, USA) and it's yours. I know where there are some Rainbow macines which could be had for next to nothing, if anyone wants.

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This weekend's haul

by zmerch＠northernway.net

Due to massive amounts of caffeine & sleep deprivation, Doug Spence said: >Does the PS/2 not have any 5.25" drive bays? Weird. :) I'm not an IBMer >so I don't know these things, though I *think* one of the machines I used >to do CAD work on was a PS/2 of some flavour. Every PS/2 that I've ever seen (note: this does not mean All PS/2's... just the ones I've seen) didn't have a 5.25" port at all... not even their tower "servers". I suspect it was IBM (trying to) setting a new standard... again. >OK, that makes it useful. Would you happen to know what the pinout is of >the 37-pin connector, so that I can try to make use of the drive without >modification? Is it even possible to buy a matching female 37-pin >connector? IIRC, it's just straight thru with the last/first 3 pins unused... but I'd have to look at the cable or ring some pins to be sure (and yes, I'm a packrat...). I also believe that you can still get 37-pin D-sub connectors thru the Mouser Electronics catalog. Good people to work with... I had 3 distinct problems with my first order (totalling $40USD) and they took care of all of them at their expense (shipped some closeout SMD resistors *overnight* because they forgot them in the package... their expense... that's their policy, despite my not being in a rush for them!) Try http://www.mouser.com . >Interesting. How are the drives interfaced to the CoCos? I've got a >CoCo1, CoCo2, and CoCo3, but I've never found a disk drive for these >machines. All CoCo controllers take Shugart standard drives (now called IBM standard drives... IBM's taking over again!) altho RSDOS limits you to 35 tracks, SSDD, 156K disks (the original Shugart drives) without patches... which (of course) I have. RSDOS can handle a max of 2 DSDD 80 track drives with patches (more accurately... they look like 4 SSDD 80 track drives, with :2 the backside of :0 and :3 the backside of :1) but 1.44Meg storage thru RSDOS is really good! OS-9 can handle 3 DSDD 80trk drives! >> If you (or anyone) needs more info on this drive, lemme know. But I can >> tell you, that just taking it apart is *fun*, if you have 3-4 hours to get >> it apart and back together. I've had mine disassembled 3-4 times now, to >> figure where to cut holes & stuff for my cable mods. > >Heh. I couldn't even get mine apart, because of the two six-pointed >screws on the bottom. The screws have a lump in the middle so I can't use >a flat-blade screwdriver as I did when I had a similar problem opening my >Mac 512K. There are three ways to get into the case, only one of which I recommend. The first method involves a chainsaw and a 12lb (5.5kg) sledgehammer... If you have to ask, you don't want to know. ;^> The second method would require an appropriately sized Torx screwdriver and a Dremel tool with drill press attachment. You would need to drill a small hole in the end of the Torx driver to accommodate the post in the screw. While this method is the safest to the drive, it's also the most work. Method 3 (which is the one I used) requires a pointed instrument (like a leather awl) and a regular (flat-head or slotted) screwdriver that just fit's into 2 of the points of the Torx screw (the screwdriver tip of my tiny Swiss Army knife worked perfectly). Use the awl to bend the post over as much as you can, and this *should* (no guarantees, YMMV, yadda, yadda, yadda...) get you enough room to get enough of the slotted screwdriver into 2 of the star points and extract the screw. As the case is built like a Sherman Tank, once the screws are removed, deep six them. I've been running mine for 3 years without the special screws with no ill effects. Anyway, I hope this helps, and enjoy the drive! Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger Merchberger | If at first you don't succeed, Programmer, NorthernWay | nuclear warhead disarmament should zmerch(a)northernway.net | *not* be your first career choice.

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CoCo Kits

by jrice＠texoma.net

I have an unusual CoCo 2...it was produced as a kit form. I bought it at a RS tent sale in Dallas in 1985-86. I thought it was a plug in the boards kit, but when I got it home it was totally bare boards. Took several hours of soldering to complete. I was told by a friend who was a RS manager, that they were a pilot program for schools to have classes assemble the machines and then the school would have alow cost path to getting more computers. Tandy later decided that this would be a warranty nightmare and sold the kits for $20 at the tent sale.

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Label Remover

by ard12＠eng.cam.ac.uk

There was a thread here a few weeks back about dealing with those sticky labels that seem to accumulate on classic computers. I've just bought a can of a substance called 'Electrolube (the brand name) Label Remover'. You spray it on, wait a few minutes, and rub the label off. I used it yesterday to remove some _strong_ double-sided adhesive tape inside my laser printer, and it did the job extremely well. The can claims that it may attack some plastics (so take care on classic micro cases!), and it's not that cheap (\pounds 4.00 for a small-ish spraycan from Maplin). But it certainly does the job. -- -tony ard12(a)eng.cam.ac.uk The gates in my computer are AND,OR and NOT, not Bill

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bibliography

by ccm＠sentex.net

What a wonderful idea. Such a list is ideal for a web site. I will gather a few more titles (espeically biographical books by and about CEO's from NCR, Raytheon, GE, DEC, etc.) and send them off to you. Kevin

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bibliography(ies)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> HOME & PERSONAL COMPUTERS HISTORY BIBLIOGRAPHY > > Books listed as TITLE, AUTHOR, PUBLISHER AND PUBLICATION DATE An excellent list! I'd like to point out that between 77-81 timeframe you have a huge hole as there was an explosion of books about microcomputers. Allison

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Kaypro 10 needs home

by DASARNO＠aol.com

Have a mint condition Kaypro 10, complete with all manuals. Looks like it came out of the box. Works great, all original software. If you know of anyone who has a serious interest, please e-mail me. Don Sarno

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AIM65

by bwit＠pobox.com

Sam, Thanks for your efforts in the great AIM-65 buyout! I'll take two of the Panasonics. Regards, Bob ---------- From: Sam Ismail[SMTP:dastar@crl.com] Sent: Sunday, June 22, 1997 4:18 AM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: AIM65 Ok, here it is. Mike Westerfield, the guy with the AIM65s, phoned me yesterday and we spoke about the deal. He has been offered $125 for EACH unit from a company called Dynatem which still uses the AIMs commercially. Mike started a company way back with a product based on the AIM65. It was an insurance rate calculator. In order to make the product marketable, he designed a plastic and a metal-base enclosure. He also placed a compact power supply inside the enclosure to make for a nice complete package. He apparently was very successful with this venture and sold many. At this point, unless someone comes along and offers him more than $125 per unit and buys the whole lot, they are going to Dynatem. That's too rich for my blood. After explaining all this to me, and after I explained what we do here on classiccmp, Mike mentioned that he had a bunch of other stuff that we might be interested in. He has a whole basement full of stuff he would like to sell off. Here's what he told me he has: EPROM burners Logical Devices GangPro-S and GangPro-2S. These can burn 32 chips at a time. These also have other features which make them very nice. Logical Devices GangPro-8 and GangPro-4 which can burn 8 and 4 respectively. Optical Technologies EP-2A-88 and EP-2A-89. EPROMs A "ton" of NEC-2716 and Hitachi 2716 EPROMs He also has the line on hundreds of Panasonic RL-H18 palmtops. This is a palmtop which came out around 1985 and had FORTH in ROM. It also has a 20-col (or 40-col?) thermal printer and a case which bundles the two together. His company also developed an expansion "tray" which houses extra memory that the Panasonic can access through bank-switching. He sold this product to (I believe) an insurance firm and now they want to dump them all. Now again, he said they have hundreds, and were just going to shit-can them, but he said the company would most likely opt to get some money back for them if they could. He said probably about $10 per unit would get them, but they'd have to be purchased in one shot. Now I don't think that there are enough people here with an interest to buy one. I suggested that perhaps they can set aside a couple hundred and then shitcan the rest because I don't have a couple thousand lying around in which to buy all of them, nor would I want to. It's up to us to come up with a proposal. As far as dealing with Mike, I asked him contacting him. At this point, he would perfer the current arrangement whereby I am the central point of contact because it is easier for him. However, this tends to put me in a bad spot for certain reasons. I'm sure there will be people interested in working out a bulk deal with him. To those people I say feel free to contact him since he is most interested in getting rid of everything in one shot. He's not interested in dealing with onesies and twosies. So he would like for everyone who has an interest in a little here and a little there to contact me about it and then he's going to call me again in a week. This would refer mainly to someone wanting one of the panasonic's or a few EPROMs. As far as the Panasonics, he's finding out more information about quantity and we will talk more about price next week. As far as the EPROM burners, I would think that dealing directly with him would be best. Anyway, his e-mail address is Mikeooo1(a)aol.com. He's a very nice guy. He offered that if there was anyone in New Jersey (I believe there is at least one person here, I can't remember his name) to come on down to his place and he'll show you through all the stuff he has. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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AIM65

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com> writes: > Mike Westerfield, the guy with the AIM65s, phoned me yesterday and we > spoke about the deal. He has been offered $125 for EACH unit from a > company called Dynatem which still uses the AIMs commercially. Mike > started a company way back with a product based on the AIM65. It was an > insurance rate calculator. In order to make the product marketable, he > designed a plastic and a metal-base enclosure. He also placed a compact > power supply inside the enclosure to make for a nice complete package. > He apparently was very successful with this venture and sold many. At > this point, unless someone comes along and offers him more than $125 per > unit and buys the whole lot, they are going to Dynatem. That's too rich > for my blood. Some computers are so classic that they're still out there doing Real Work! I am going to have to pull my other AIM65 out and take a good look at it to see if I can figure out who badge-engineered it. (I wonder if it was Mike?) It is also in a plastic case that is obviously intended to make it portable, and I wonder how many other companies there were doing specialized applications around them. Thanks, Sam and Marvin, for sounding this out and being the go-betweens. -Frank McConnell

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AIM65

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Sam, I'd certainly be interested in TWO of the palmtops(@$10ea) if there were some docs like a schematic and ??? Allison

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The Truth about AIM-65's

by danjo＠xnet.com

Sam Ismail wrote: > Ok, here it is. > > Mike Westerfield, the guy with the AIM65s, phoned me yesterday and we > spoke about the deal. He has been offered $125 for EACH unit from a > company called Dynatem which still uses the AIMs commercially. Mike > started a company way back with a product based on the AIM65. It was > an insurance rate calculator. In order to make the product marketable, > he designed a plastic and a metal-base enclosure. He also placed a > compact power supply inside the enclosure to make for a nice complete > package. > > He apparently was very successful with this venture and sold many. At > this point, unless someone comes along and offers him more than $125 > per unit and buys the whole lot, they are going to Dynatem. That's too > rich for my blood. The problem lies in the fact that in the early/mid 80's Dynatem *bought* the rights to the AIM-65. Lock stock and barrel. I guess they have a right to buy them. I don't think they are going to get tossed anytime soon. I might try to contact them and maybe buy one of of them. BC

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Printers and Finds of the Week

by KFergason＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-06-21 21:41:21 EDT, you write: << I found an interesting printer today. It is an SR2000, produced by Sears Roebuck & Company, or at least it has their name on it. According >> I have one also, and have the manual somewhere if you need specific info. might take me a week or two to find it though. :-) Kelly KFergason(a)aol.com

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PETs ( was Who was in Australia?)

by jolminkh＠c2.telstra-mm.net.au

---------- > From: Paul E Coad <pcoad(a)crl.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Who was in Australia? > Date: Saturday, June 21, 1997 7:39 PM > > > On Fri, 20 Jun 1997, Kai Kaltenbach wrote: > > > Subject: Mint Commodore PET FOR Sale > > From: "Stephen McCoy and Charmiane Barr" > > <mrsmrx(a)efni.com> > > Date: 1997/06/17Message-Id: > > <01bc7b43$fddee5c0$b8933dcf@charmaine> > > Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga[More Headers] > > I'll bite on this. How much is one of these worth? I have almost > zero experience with PETs having only seen 2 in person. What are the > relative rarities of the various models of PETs? Did they make a > bunch of them? Are they really common in some places and pretty > rare in others? > > The ones I have seen are pretty cool looking in a retro-future kind of way. > > Also note that whois reports that efni.com is in Canada. The machine > might not be in Australia. > > --pec > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Saved From The Dumpster Collection: http://www.crl.com/~pcoad/machines.html Well I'm in Australia and naturally have emailed mrsmrx(a)efni.com to ask their location. Unlike Altair and Imsai, PETs are obtainable here. I have one chicklet keyboard 4k version, a CBM 3032 and a CBM 8032 hulk. I suspect they will always be around because they are so hard to destroy. The case is very solid. I found the "hulk" in a paddock, like some people find ancient cars! I've never attempted to power this one up though.

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Mark 8

by timolmst＠cyberramp.net

>> If you get one of these up and running, I have a Scelbi book, "Space >> Wars for the 8008 Microprocessor" with full hex code listings... > >I also have the three books - > > An 8008 Editor Program > Machine Language Programming for the 8008 > Assembler Programs for the 8008 > >I am such a packrat 8-) > What would be the chances of getting copies of these books? Tim Olmstead timolmst(a)cyberramp.net

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Cocos

by e.tedeschi＠ndirect.co.uk

Just to help me understand better...when you refer to Cocos, do you refer to the Tandy TRS-80 COlour COmputers? Thanks enrico -- ================================================================ Enrico Tedeschi, 54, Easthill Drive, BRIGHTON BN41 2FD, U.K. tel/fax +(0)1273 701650 (24 hours) or 0850 104725 mobile website <http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~e.tedeschi> ================================================================ visit Brighton: <http://www.brighton.co.uk/tourist/welcome.htm>

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Why?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> >c) You are against helping "foreigners" (and therefore "different") > >collectors to export "your" stuff perhaps in the wrong perception that > >it will diminish the heritage of the country (yours). I have striken a > >deal with one of the subscriber here and he disappeared in the distance > >after a while (he did not answer anymore...) By the way does anybody > >need British stuff? I would be glad to help you with it. There is the matter of customs which many americans have little experience with. I sent a floppy to someone in canada and despite it being our neighbor the customs paper was amazing! I was told it's worse if there is a transaction involved. Allison

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Mark 8

by timolmst＠cyberramp.net

>Actually a 8ksram and a 8kprom would do it. Actualy what I had in mind was for the EPROM to copy itself into RAM and then switch itself out. THat way, you could have as much, or little, in ROM as you want, and not loos any RAM. >That this is slow enough you could use the EEprom for sram! (the slow parts >was 20us and the real fast one was 10us (single byte instruction). I believe that the fast one was 12.5us wasn't it? That is what I have. > >The real annoying part is capturing all the muxed status and syncing it. > If you've ever done anything with an i960, this is duck soup. >Making the front pannel logic is the real work, it wouldn't be right without >the FP! > My original 8008 system had a home-brew front panel. I would GLADLY do without that and just drop in a monitor ROM this time. >> What do ya think? > >Tim, your a sick puppy. THANK YOU!!!! > Tim Olmstead timolmst(a)cyberramp.net

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Dumpster Diving

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"J. Maynard Gelinas" <maynard(a)jmg.com> writes: > You know, I may have a dissenting view here, but I think some of > this stuff *ought* to go in the landfill. Sure, it will get destroyed, > but landfills will be our legacy 500 years from now. It would be > wonderful for a few high quality specimens of every type of computer made > to survive in museums, but we also want to give our future archaeologists > some reasonable sample of system distribution geographically. Oh well, > disagree if you like. Y'know, they don't just plonk the stuff down and spread a layer of dirt on top. They run it over with this nice bulldozer sort of thing that has steel wheels with cleats. Crunches the stuff up better. -Frank McConnell

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Printers and Finds of the Week

by josh＠netins.net

>I found an interesting printer today. It is an SR2000, produced by >Sears Roebuck & Company, or at least it has their name on it. According >to it's test printout, the date stamp on it is 9/25/86. I recently found a Sears Roebuck & Company SR3000, which is oddly enough a RGB/Composite monitor made for the commodore line? Who knows. It even has a speaker in it! Picture is really nice. Made around the same date! Got it for only $10! If I don't use it for an old computer, it is a great way to view the camcorder stuff! Josh M. Nutzman +----------------------------------------------+ |"Life is like a river, you go with the flow...| | but in the end you usually end up dammed." | | -The Red Green Show | +----------------------------------------------+

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Saturday's Finds and a source in Central CA

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

I finally attended a almost 'near-by' used computer store's "warehouse sale" and was somewhat impressed. The sale is held Saturday mornings in an old nursery greenhouse about 5 miles east of Lodi on Highway 12 (in California) Almost every table is covered with equipment, a good portion seems to be discards from local school districts and others are from who knows where. The good and bad news is much of it has had some share of the elements and are sold as-is, but they are priced to clear. (they were not "out in the open" like some machines you have reported, but almost). The store keeps most of the more-modern usable stuff (PC cards, motherboards, printers, etc.) and leaves behind a lot of Commodore PETs, 64s, Apples, old PCs, etc. Must have seen about 1/2 dozen apple ///s in varying states, even more apple ][s, (from some ][ pluses to a Platinum ][e w/keypad and a couple ][cs), plenty of drives (1541, apple and old hard drives; looking for an older hard drive? make a 'look for' list ready). Lots of monitors (condition unknown as many were from a repair shop that closed; also alot of composite Commodore monitors - 1702s and CM141s). Many PC enclosures (not my area so I didn't look too hard, did see look at a Commodore PC clone though (figures), motherboard still there, but no cards or drives, some older pulled cards in boxes. I did notice at least three Osborne computers, the one I opened to look at was a later model as it didn't have that tiny screen in the center but what looked like an 8" display. Bunch of Jasmine Hard Disk cases (external, backpacks, and clip-on drives) and such for people needing power/cases for projects (some with drives still in em). Also various cables (bunch of IEEE-488), power supplies (commodore 64 was in abundance) some books and other micellany. I didn't see any minis there, but you never know... We came out with: - Educator 64 (a Commodore 64 in a PET enclosure w/monochrome 14" display) computer is dead but it uses a standard 64, so no problem there. ;> - Commodore LP2031 PET/CBM IEEE-488 single drive (a IEEE-488 drive in a 1541 case) seems to be ill but much of the electonics and all mechanicals match the 41, no problem! - Jasmine Removable 45 drive (I am assuming a Syquest 44mb drive, it looks similar) still have to get a cartridge to test, but seems clean and ok. - Commodore 1541-II w/power supply & cable (so far so good) - C= Brick Power Supply (light colored one. still untested) - Sea Wolf & Clowns cartridges for the VIC-20. - 'Commodore' paddles and 'Commodore' joystick - An AC 'muffin' fan (works, now cooling the BBS!) - 6 Commodore books (including three nifty Hofhacker ones published by Elcomp) I left a whole bunch of other VIC & 64 books behind cost $30.00 (I could have walked out with more for the same price, but I was being good) Warehouse Sale: 10400 Highway 12, about 5 miles east of Lodi, 8 am to Noon on Saturdays (if you do go, let them klnow that Larry, the Commodore guy told ya about it!) The computer place is: Allen's To Go, in Lockeford, (209) 727-0477 -- I picked up at a couple thrifts some (soon to be) blank disks, the prices are cheaper than MEI/Micro's bulk pricing, $1 for a box of 10+ 5.25" DS/DD... Larry Anderson -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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Printers and Finds of the Week

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-06-21 21:41:21 EDT, jeff h. wrote < I found an interesting printer today. It is an SR2000, produced by >Sears Roebuck & Company, or at least it has their name on it. According > to it's test printout, the date stamp on it is 9/25/86. What makes the > printer interesting is that it is a dual-interface model, with both a > standard centronics interface, as well as what appears to be the 6pin >mini-din for the Commodore 8bit serial interface. Were there any other >interfaces that used that connector that it might be? I've found >replacement ribbons for it on the web, but no spec info. It's a dot >matrix printer with between 7 and 9 pins, and cost me a total of $4 and > works great. > Jeff jeffh(a)unix.aardvarkol.com > -- >> back around 1991 i had bought the sr3000 model. it's an old 9pin dot matrix printer, and for the most part, seems to be compatible with the epson fx-85. i was able to find replacement ribbons for it at sears also. i was kinda thrilled to see it had a serial port, but then again, it was only for C= models. if anyone needs more info, i still have the owner's manual for mine. as a side note, i had it plugged into my laser128 running GEOS, the mac like interface that ran on the machine but never could get the sr3000 to work, the only driver GEOS had was for the sr2000. david.

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Printers and Finds of the WeekFrom: Sam Ismail <dastar@crl.com> To: Classic Computer Discussion <classiccmp@u.washington.edu>

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

References: <199706150702.AAA14700(a)lists3.u.washington.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE Printers... Gorilla Banana, Tandy DMP 100, Commodore 1525, etc. It was a standard printer mechanism by some manufacturer (I suspect Shikosha (sp)) All were 7 pin characters. I remember some early Commodore Printers (before the 1525) were Epson units (one based in the MX70?) I also remember, for the PETs, our school had a SWTP dot matrix printer. Pretty nifty little bugger, no fancy coverings, you got to see all the gears (printed on 4" wide roll paper as I recall) liked like an early ticker machine or something like that. They also had a Commodore 4023 and a Diablo 630 (heavy as heck and made quite a racket too). I have owned a couple curiosities such as the Commodore 1520 printer plotter (another model type that bore through many company brands) four little tiny pens. Made neat sounds when it was drawing text and lines. :) I still have my Citizen iDP560cd printer, prints on wide register tape (2.?? inches) in two colors (Black/Red) has a Commodore interface and all that. (nowadays you usually see that model printer -w/parallel interface- hooked up to merchant ATM units). Other now gone units MPS-801 and Star NP-10. Other (classic) printers I now have are a Riteman F+ (precursor to the ProWriter Jr.) it has a very short ribbon (something like 20") but a unique feed system (able to print on index cards and use the first line of a page...). Everything else is somewhat modern late model dot-matrix and ink jets. Oh, and a Commodore 8023 wide-carriage dot matrix for my PETs. ------------- RE: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com> Subject: Beat this haul... >Ok, the weekend's not even over, and here's how I did: [snip!} >Commodore 64, Commodore 64C (two of 'em, one seems to be this weird clone >since the plastic looks different from the other one and it has no >markings) It's probably an older 64 in that slimline case that was selling a few years back to make an older 64 more resemble a 64C. I recall the ads in Compute's Gazzette and RUN. *** light applause *** that certainly was a haul as well as a good little adventure! Thanks for sharing it with us. :) I know of a Salvation Army in Oakdale that has a small basket full of TI carts including some nice AtariSoft titles... ;) Next time when I get there (and if they are there and are cheap enough) I'll pick some up. --------- Now for my haul (which was today, Sunday). At the Flea Market: 2 Atari Power Packs (15.3va and 31 va) $3.00 now all I need is some Atari DOS and utility disks (HINT! HINT!) 1 Commodore 64C power supply $1.00 a couple printer switchboxes $1.00 ea. Toshiba external SCSI CD-ROM drive (seems to be partially working) $3.00 14.4 Modem $2.00 External Amiga Drive $1.00 At the Thrift Store: Commodore SuperPET (Gosh was I lucky) $20.00 (w/Wordpro plus quick referencebooklet, PET to IEEE-488 cable, power cord and "the Manager" dongle still attached) Commodore 4040 Dual Drive $5.00 3 IEEE-488 cables $2.00 each The SuperPET isn't responding, but still worth it, (I cracked it open to see the guts, there are two daughterboards connected to the motherboard the topmost seems to be the RAM (which makes the computer 96k), and I assume below that is the 6809 co-processor and RS-232 driver. Now I have to hunt down more information... :) Four toggle switches peek out on the side which allow for the storing of the language you wish to use, (setting it to ROM mode did not seem to change the situation) Have yet to test the 4040, I hope it is functional. So far everything from the Flea Market seems to work (I have yet to test the 64 supply though). Nice day, though I think my checkbook is feeling a little thin... Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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