- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

David, or anyone who's going to drop by David's place... I'd pay for packing/shipping for any of the Heathkit or Vector equipment that others don't want to keep. Kai > ---------- > From: David Betz > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 1997 7:40 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Machines on the way to the dump... > > I'm taking the following machines to the dump on Saturday. If anyone > is > within striking distance of Bedford, NH and wants any of these > machines > please let me know. > > TI-99/4a (doesn't work) > A few TI cartridges and books > Heathkit H-11 (works) > Heathkit dual 8" disk drive unit (doesn't work) > Vector V3-5036 S-100 system (works) > Vector dual 5.25" disk drive unit (untested) > VT-100 clone > > -- > David Betz > dbetz(a)xlisper.mv.com > DavidBetz(a)aol.com > (603) 472-2389 >

28 years, 9 months

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Bad Feelings...

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

>From: "e.tedeschi" <e.tedeschi(a)ndirect.co.uk> >Subject: Re: Why? >Well, to get more specific, I have the (perhaps wrong) feeling that: > a) You are against collectors who collect for the historical importance > onyl and are not really worried if the item works or not (as long as all > the parts are in there and the thing can be made to work if and when > required). I have been ridiculized when I suggested this one way to go > about collecting. I have never felt that here, and I have several items in my collection in non-working order. Would I give up my P-500, MTU VMM board, or SuperPET if I never got them fixed? NO! I would hope to get them fixed but the important thing now is to get them, mainly because it is part of the 'collection' if they work, wonderful, if they don't they still has meaning. > b) You are against collectors who want ot take out bits and pieces from > the systems in order to show them separately (but retaining and perhaps > even ehibiting the "crippled" item). I have been refused help in thsi > respect when it became apparent I was going to do this. I think that may be personal views by individual collectors and not by the group in whole. Some feel that not having 'original parts' or add-ons is blasphmey. I can understand and appreciate where you come from, there are compnents of computers that are shear art as the disk controller in the apple II (from what I read the board was drawn 'not designed by computer' by Steve Wozniac.) I would be interested to learn more about it. There have been chips that have amazed me too. Everyone has their own intrest. The only reason you are perceiving otherwise is that those people are the ones that are posting more, from years of running an BBS as well as participating on the group, the more you post messages the more attention and notoriety you will receive. If you want to see something written about an interest of yours, sometimes you just have to sit down and write it yourself. > c) You are against helping "foreigners" (and therefore "different") > collectors to export "your" stuff perhaps in the wrong perception that > it will diminish the heritage of the country (yours). I have striken a > deal with one of the subscriber here and he disappeared in the distance > after a while (he did not answer anymore...) By the way does anybody > need British stuff? I would be glad to help you with it. I reply to what I know (some times I also replay to what I don't know and put my foot in the mouth in the process). If you see anyone post about Commodores or PETs more specifically, you can be sure within a day or so a response from me will follow (unless it is something I am totally in the dark about). Case in point, Exidy Sorceror, I purchased one and sent it to Sam Ismael, he is now looking for information, not very many people ever seen one, much less an ad for one, sometimes the best we can do is quiote from old magazine ads. :/ Also some of the sytems are regional and there may not be many people from that area who have seen that particular machine on this list... > Of course I have no proof of the above but from the short experience I > had here, I think that the problem exhists as opposed to the "openess" > of other American collecting groups like, for example, the radio > collecting community which has been VERY helpful with me and other > "foreigners" to buy and export stuff from the USA and CANADA (what about > the stuff you ARE importing from overseas then?). I have sent fellow users disks and cartridges through the mail to Europe, anything larger I could not afford the shipping. This depends on the individual. Sam was lucky to get me to shop the Sorcer as quick as I did, I myself lothe shipping things, especially heavy/bulky things. I think that again depends on the individual. > I think that if you think I am wrong the best way to demonstrate it, if > you care, is not with words but with facts. > Thank you for your interest > enrico You are very welcome and hope you keep with the list and help us all to work out this misunderstanding. Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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Micro-Expander Model 1 S100 system

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Scott Ware <s-ware(a)nwu.edu> writes: > The main unit is a single piece about the size of a Processor Technology > Sol. I believe this may be a Big Clue. Isn't the Expander one of the things that Lee Felsenstein designed between Processor Technology and Osborne? I also seem to remember that it was primarily marketed in Europe. Good catch! -Frank McConnell

28 years, 9 months

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Encryptor Board...

by MPritchard＠ensemble.net

> > Currently no one knows (or is saying they know) how to encrypt 7800 > > carts. > > > > Actually, I seem to recall that a guy in rec.games.video.classic has > figured it out, but there hasn't been any practical application of it > yet. But I haven't read r.g.v.c in a LONG time, so things may have > changed... > > I wish I could remember his name... he was one of the big cheese > techie > types in the newsgroup that was always hacking up weird stuff, so I > don't > doubt that he did it. > ------- > > My good friend, Bruce Tomlin, was the person who did that. > > -Mp

28 years, 9 months

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Matchpoint?

by bcoakley＠teleport.com

Browsing a local thrift, I found a box containing a "Matchpoint" card. Apparently it's a PC card which allows you to read Apple disks, via an ISA card and some software. Has anyone ever used one? Is it worth finding a 5 1/4" drive for my PeeCee? Also, does anybody have a spare Apple 25-pin-to-19-pin drive cable? (Or are all those pins supposed to be broken?) Thanks, -- Ben Coakley CBEL: Xavier OH bcoakley(a)teleport.com http://www.math.grin.edu/~coakley

28 years, 9 months

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Pet Serial Numbers

by jolminkh＠c2.telstra-mm.net.au

My PET 2001-8 is a 240V version and has serial number 1008669. There is also a hand texta number on the board itself 38658 ---------- > From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Pet Serial Numbers > Date: Wednesday, July 09, 1997 9:53 AM > > Just curious if anyone knows what the starting serial number was for the > Commodore Pets? So far, the following are the earliest Pets I have. I > believe these both came from the local university at one of their sales. > > Description Model Serial # > Commodore Pet Pet 2001-8 0035117 > Commodore Pet Pet 2001-8 0037625

28 years, 9 months

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Panasonic Handhelds

by dastar＠crl.com

This is the last call. On Friday I will be forwarding the final count to Mike. For the benefit of those who haven't seen this yet (and for those asking for more information) here is a casual spec of the Panasonic HandHeld Computers that we are about to get a bunch of: This computer came out around 1984. It was a handheld unit which featured: 6502 processor 8K RAM (the "top-of-the-line" model) 3 slots for 8K program EPROM on-board Custom built tray to hold 10 additional 8K EPROMS Tray also housed both computer and printer to make one compact unit Printer is 40-column thermal (paper can still be found allegedly) Full "QWERTY" keyboard FORTH-like language in ROM called "SNAP" Measures 9" x 3.5" Some manuals available Bunch of MCM 68674 8K EPROMs with programs on them AC Adaptor Now on to the original message. Instructions follow for reserving one, two or many for yourself. Read on. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 10:52:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl4.crl.com> To: Classic Computer Discussion <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: RE: Panasonic Handhelds PANASONIC HANDHELD UPDATE: This is the latest message from Mike who has the hundreds of Panasonic HandHeld computers. In case its not obvious what's going on, I put in an offer of $10 each for 50, $9 each for 100, $8 each for 150, etc. I don't have $2000 lying around with which to buy them all up. I have a plan, but first read what Mike had to say: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 10:39:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Mikeooo1(a)aol.com To: dastar(a)crl.com Subject: Re: EPROM Burners re: Classic Computers Dear Sam, I believe the total number of HHC's available will be about 400.Based on your offer I assume that for 150 of the units you would be willing to pay at the rate of $10 for the first 50,$9 for the next 50, $8 for the next 50 and $7 for the next 50 whcih would come to $1700 for 200 units.Would you be interested in 300 units for $2000 even?To make the offer even sweeter I'll throw in the memory expander trays with each unit.The cost for each tray alone was well over $100 when they were purchased,as well as a quantity of the MCM 68674 8K eprom chips that the programs were written on. As always Best Regards, Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ END FORWARD So here's my plan...anyone and everyone who is interested, reply to ME (do not reply to classiccmp! People will hate you and want to drown your pets!) telling me how many you want. Do this soon. I will save all of your e-mails and then at the end of say, 10 days I will tally up the total and make Mike an offer. So again... Reply to ME only (dastar(a)crl.com) Tell me HOW MANY of the Panasonic HandHeld Computers you want. Do it SOON. You have about [2] days. Price will be NO MORE THAN $10 EACH. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

28 years, 9 months

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Pet Serial Numbers

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

The Canonical List of Commodore Products doesn't go into serial number schemes... my 2001-8 is serial # 80684, no leading zeroes... could be a different numbering scheme entirely. Kai > ---------- > From: Marvin[SMTP:marvin@rain.org] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 1997 4:53 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Pet Serial Numbers > > Just curious if anyone knows what the starting serial number was for > the > Commodore Pets? So far, the following are the earliest Pets I have. > I > believe these both came from the local university at one of their > sales. > > Description Model Serial # > Commodore Pet Pet 2001-8 0035117 > Commodore Pet Pet 2001-8 0037625 >

28 years, 9 months

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FAQ Bonanza

by bill＠booster.bothell.washington.edu

============================================================================= DO NOT DISPOSE OF THIS PART OF THE FAQ. THIS IS THE PART THAT EXPLAINS HOW YOU CAN SUBSCRIBE AND UNSUBSCRIBE. IT WILL TAKE ME MORE TIME TO DO THESE THINGS FOR YOU THAN IT WILL TAKE FOR YOU TO DO THEM YOURSELF ============================================================================= ClassicCmp - The Classic Computers Discussion List Part 1 in the ClassicCmp FAQ Trilogy Mail/Internet Basics FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) v1.2 Last Update: 7/01/97 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- This FAQ is written with the primary purpose of making readily available answers to the more common questions appearing on ClassicCmp. It is Maintained by Bill Whitson <bill(a)booster.u.washington.edu>. The infor- mation in this document has been gathered from a variety of sources but, in general, the members of ClassicCmp should be credited for all contain- ed herein. I have, of course, endeavored to be as accurate as is possible and often failed ;). This FAQ is Part 1 of the ClassicCmp FAQ Trilogy. The information presented deals with the use of mailing lists and internet-specific tools. If you have questions, comments, or corrections (always welcome) please contact me at the address above. A current copy of this FAQ is available on the web at http://weber.u. washington.edu/~bcw/ccl.html or via anonymous FTP at 140.142.225.27 in the directory /pub/classiccmp/faqs as classiccmp.faq. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Updates: New Sections: 2.1, 3.1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Mailing Lists ---------------- 1.1 Mailing List Basics 1.2 How to Talk to the Robot How to set to Digest How to Subscribe How to Unsubscribe 2. FTP ------ 2.1 FTP Basics 3. World Wide Web ----------------- 3.1 WWW Basics ============================================================================= 1.1 Mailing List Basics A mailing list is a simple device which takes an e-mail and redistributes it to a group of people. People can add and remove themselves from the distribution list by Subscribing and Unsubscribing. When you send a message to the list, it is first examined by the robot for key words that tell it to process an automatic funtion (like help, subscribe, unsubscribe, etc). If the message does not contain a keyword it is sent to the distribution list. 1.2 How to Talk to the Robot There are a few List Processor commands that you might want to use. To send a command to the list processor, write a message to listproc(a)u.washington.edu (Do NOT send the message to classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu). In the body of the message (not the subject line, that is) write one of the following commands, then send the message. SET CLASSICCMP MAIL ACK Tells the robot to send you a copy of messages you write to the list. This is the default. SET CLASSICCMP MAIL NOACK Tells the robot NOT to send you a copy of messages you write to the list. I don't recommend this. SET CLASSICCMP MAIL DIGEST Tells the robot to send you a digest of messages rather than each as it is posted. With this option you will get a weekly bundle of messages and keep a nice, tidy in-box. SUBSCRIBE CLASSICCMP Your.Address Subscribes you to the list. UNSUBSCRIBE CLASSICCMP Your.Address Removes you from the list. [][][][][][][][][][] 2.1 FTP Basics FTP is a protocol by which files can be transferred over the internet. You can use FTP to connect to a remote site and retrieve files. The commands you use with FTP depend on the software you use. In general you must make sure that you are in BINARY mode before transferring a program file or compressed files. The process of downloading a file is usually termed GET and the process of uploading a file is usually termed PUT. Your FTP program will require an address to connect to. For the ClassicCmp site that address is 140.142.225.27. You then may be asked to log in (unless your program assumes an anonymous login). When asked for a name, use anonymous. When asked for a password enter your internet e-mail address. [][][][][][][][][][] 3.1 WWW Basics The only complicated thing with the WWW is knowing what bells and whistles your web browser supports. You don't really need to know much other than the address for ClassicCmp. The web site is all text which means just about any web browser from the oldest Lynx to the newest Netscape or Microsoft browser should support it. The ClassicCmp site is http://weber.u.washington.edu/~bcw/ccl.html. =============================================================================

28 years, 9 months

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old 80286

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 11:30 AM 7/8/97 -0400, you wrote: ><< I have a LAPTOP 80286. Can I connect to INTERNET with it? > Does any Winsock exist? >there is a program out in the shareware world called nettamer which will let >you do mail and text only web browsing. i plan to use it on my ps2 model 30 There is also a program called "Arachne" which does graphical web browsing under DOS. (I use it when working on web pages under DOS -- far more efficient and faster than loading windoze and using a windows editor!) I believe it also works with some TCP/IP stack for DOS, but I've not really looked into that. P.S. the NetTamer home page is at <http://people.delphi.com/davidcolston/> and there's a whole passel of DOS Browser/etc. info at <http://www.concentric.net/~Cruzing/dosinet/dosinet.shtml>. Hope this helps! P.P.S. you can, of course, use a shell account with pine, tin, lynx, etc. with just about any computer that can hook up to a modem. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 9 months

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Encryptor Board...

by MPritchard＠ensemble.net

The 7800 is actually '83 or '84 developed. A small number were sold then, and the rest sat in warehouses for a couple years. seriously! -Mp > -----Original Message----- > From: Sam Ismail [SMTP:dastar@crl.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 29, 1997 6:06 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: Encryptor Board... > > On Sun, 29 Jun 1997, Larry Anderson & Diane Hare wrote: > > > > the Encryptor, Jones Futura Corporation, Model ENC 100-1 > > > > California Computer Systems, Model 2832 [has this big, black 3"x3" > square > > > and 3/8" thick block of resin on it, have no idea what it's > hiding] > > NOTE: The description above is of two, separate cards. > > > I was reading in the Atari Game Systems FAQ that the 7800 carts are > > encrypted with a special encryption and only those encrypted games > get > > access to the 7800's advanced video resources (otherwise it just > gets > > 2600 resources)... This was a measure by Atari to make sure to get > a > > share of the profits from 3rd party game developers. There could be > a > > slight possibility this is an encryption unit for the 7800 game > > system... > > Hmmm. Interesting hypothesis. However, these boards are circa 1983, > while the 7800 is circa 1986 or something. > > I'll go repost a request for info on the atari newsgroups. > > > Sam > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, > Writer, Jackass

28 years, 9 months

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Encryptor Board...

by MPritchard＠ensemble.net

> I was reading in the Atari Game Systems FAQ that the 7800 carts are > encrypted with a special encryption and only those encrypted games get > access to the 7800's advanced video resources (otherwise it just gets > 2600 resources)... This was a measure by Atari to make sure to get a > share of the profits from 3rd party game developers. There could be a > slight possibility this is an encryption unit for the 7800 game > system... > > Currently no one knows (or is saying they know) how to encrypt 7800 > carts. > > Larry Anderson > > We've reverse enginnered the encryption. I forget the specifics: It > was some sort of Public + Private key deal. The key size was 120 > *bytes* Not all of a cartridge needs to be encrypted (as little as > 4K can be encrypted). Massive overkill for the time. No one has > reported finding the keys yet. Probably never will. > > -Mp

28 years, 9 months

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which month?

by MPritchard＠ensemble.net

The name of the book was something like that, I'll have to dig it up.. -Mp > -----Original Message----- > From: Cord Coslor [SMTP:coslor@pscosf.peru.edu] > Sent: Saturday, June 28, 1997 10:11 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: RE: which month? > > What was the name of that book? Wasn't it something about a mouse? > Like, > To Catch a Mouse, Make a Noise Like A Cheese? > > Curious to know. > > Thanks, > > CORD > > //*=================================================================== > ==++ > || Cord G. Coslor P.O. Box 308 - 1300 3rd St. Apt "M1" -- Peru, > NE || > || (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu > 68421-0308 || > || Classic computer software and hardware collector > || > || Autograph collector > || > ++==================================================================== > =*// > > > On Sat, 28 Jun 1997, Matt Pritchard wrote: > > > I have a book about marketing, written by a Tandy VP which has a > large > > chapter on the birh of the TRS-80. He mentioned the day of the > first > > produced unit, (sept 15th I think) and game totals for the first > months > > or two (It seemed they only managed 3 computer a day for the first > week > > or two). > > -Mp > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: bwit(a)pobox.com [SMTP:bwit@pobox.com] > > > Sent: Friday, June 27, 1997 11:51 AM > > > To: 'classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu' > > > Subject: RE: which month? > > > > > > > > > IIRC the TRS-80 was introduced in September 1977. > > > > > > ---------- > > > From: e.tedeschi > > > Sent: Friday, June 27, 1997 7:39 AM > > > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > > > Subject: which month? > > > > > > I wonder if anybody here has the *exact* months of introduction > > > of the > > > three first *real* home computers introduced in 1977: > > > > > > a) the Apple II > > > b) the Tandy TRS-80 > > > c) the Commodore Pet > > > > > > I need them for a book on collecting home computers I am > > > researching > > > for. > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > enrico > > > -- > > > ================================================================ > > > Enrico Tedeschi, 54, Easthill Drive, BRIGHTON BN41 2FD, U.K. > > > tel/fax +(0)1273 701650 (24 hours) or 0850 104725 mobile > > > website <http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~e..tedeschi> > > > ================================================================ > > > visit Brighton: <http://www.brighton.co.uk/tourist/welcome.htm> > > > > > > > >

28 years, 9 months

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Banning People From the List

by bill＠booster.bothell.washington.edu

OK. I've been away this weekend for the funeral of my grandfather who passed away last week. I was thrilled to come back and find my mailbox filled with threads dealing with personal disputes (much was thankfully kept off the list). I cannot continue to run this list if I have to constantly mediate situations in which adults are acting childishly. Therefore I am instituting the 1 warning rule: If you post something insulting/immature/inflammatory and I receive a complaint you will receive a warning. If you then do so again within a months time I will eject you. Please do not follow up on this message to the list. If you need to follow up send me personal mail. If you have important comments regarding this rule that you feel I am censoring send me a copy of the message and I will make it available to list members. If you follow up to this to the list regarding its unfairness consider that your warning for this month. ---------------------------------------------------- Bill Whitson - Classic Computers ListOp bill(a)booster.u.washinton.edu or bcw(a)u.washington.edu http://weber.u.washington.edu/~bcw PS. I _really_ did not want to have to do this.

28 years, 9 months

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old 80286

by clark_geisler＠nortel-nsm.com

IVIE(a)cc.usu.edu wrote: > I wrote: >> Sort of in the spirit of this list, I set up this configuration for >> Internet >> e-mail: >> >> - 8 MHz 80286 AT clone desktop >[[[ snip ]]] >> With this, we can do e-mail, and text-based internet stuff (I've got >> Windows telnet and ftp programs as well), but graphic web browsing >> is out (they all require a 386 or better). > >Have you taken a look at Arachne? I've not run it on anything but my >trusty office 486 yet, but it claims to be able to run on anything >PCish. Yes, I looked at, but didn't try out Arachne. It's documentation said you had to have a 386 to do graphical stuff. Might be a better text web browser than Nettamer, though. Clark.

28 years, 9 months

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old 80286

by clark_geisler＠nortel-nsm.com

Jordi Carceller (jordicr(a)eic.ictnet.es) wrote: >I have a LAPTOP 80286. Can I connect to INTERNET with it? > >Does any Winsock exist? > >Which is the best software for MAIL and WWW? (using a 286, of course) Sort of in the spirit of this list, I set up this configuration for Internet e-mail: - 8 MHz 80286 AT clone desktop - 4 Meg RAM (all the SIP sockets are filled) - 20 Meg Seagate ST-225 MFM hard disk (C) - 30 Meg Seagate ST-238R RLL hard disk (D) running from its own RLL controller stolen from an XT clone my brother-in-law tossed my way. I had a lot of fun getting it to work in the AT clone. - Trident super VGA video - DOS 6, Windows 3.1 (barely fits on C). - older Trumpet Winsock (version 2.something) - Eudora e-mail (was using version 1.44, now using Eudora Light version 3.01 which is slower, but has a feature I needed that 1.44 didn't have). - 2400 bps US Robotics Courier external modem (that I paid $700 for new in 1985!) With this, we can do e-mail, and text-based internet stuff (I've got Windows telnet and ftp programs as well), but graphic web browsing is out (they all require a 386 or better). I haven't found a text, Windows-based web browser. I've also used Nettamer. It is a DOS-based internet package. To run internet stuff in DOS, you usually need to put together several pieces of software: TCP/IP, PPP or SLIP dialler, packet drivers, etc. Nettamer does all this in one package and does e-mail, ftp, telnet, Usenet, and web browsing. Web browsing is basically text-only, but you can view graphics with an included viewer if you've got a VGA display. The version I tried (1.07) doesn't do frames or image-maps, and forms are a bit brutal. For example, I've used the Altavista search form with it, but I'd probably be pretty confused if I hadn't used the form in Netscape on another computer beforehand. You should be able to find Nettamer on Simtelnet and other software archives. So, you will probably want to use Nettamer instead of the Windows route unless: - you've got a decent amount of RAM (4 meg was quite a lot for a 286) - you've got enough hard disk space - you have to have a GUI. Right now, we just use the e-mail, when we absolutely have to have graphic web browsing, we'll buy a new Pentium machine. Or maybe I'll find a 386 motherboard for free... Hope this helps, Clark Geisler

28 years, 9 months

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old 80286

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> Sort of in the spirit of this list, I set up this configuration for > Internet > e-mail: > > - 8 MHz 80286 AT clone desktop [[[ snip ]]] > With this, we can do e-mail, and text-based internet stuff (I've got > Windows telnet and ftp programs as well), but graphic web browsing > is out (they all require a 386 or better). Have you taken a look at Arachne? I've not run it on anything but my trusty office 486 yet, but it claims to be able to run on anything PCish. http://www.naf.cz/arachne/ It's also being distributed by Caldera as WebSpyder http://www.caldera.com/ Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

28 years, 9 months

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Extra chip on M8186

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> The Floating Point socket will take either a KEF11-AA chip which > holds floating point microcode, or you can plug a FPF11 board in next > to the CPU and run the jumper cable to the socket. The FPF11 is > 5 to 6 times faster than a KEF11-AA (and was accordingly more expensive I have machines with both and the difference is noticeable even with fairly simple stuff. > I think a Commercial Instruction Set (CIS) microcode option may have be > available as well, but I've never seen it installed. I'd guess it > would've plugged into the "Spare" socket. My 11/23b(+) has the CIS and FPP board. The CIS goes into spare. Allison

28 years, 9 months

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Extra chip on M8186

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

I found a picture of another M8186 on the internet. It has one chip on it, the CPU (Dual chips on a single carrier). The other 3 sockets are blank. Mine has 2 chips. CPU BLANK BLANK CHIP. I don't have the M8186 in front of me, but does anyone know what the extra chip is for?

28 years, 9 months

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old 80286

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-07-08 09:35:55 EDT, you write: jordi carceller wrote: << I have a LAPTOP 80286. Can I connect to INTERNET with it? Does any Winsock exist? Which is the best software for MAIL and WWW? (using a 286, of course) Greetings, Jordi Carceller jordicr(a)eic.ictnet.es >> there is a program out in the shareware world called nettamer which will let you do mail and text only web browsing. i plan to use it on my ps2 model 30 just to say i did it. david

28 years, 9 months

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Extra chip on M8186

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> I found a picture of another M8186 on the internet. It has one chip on > it, the CPU (Dual chips on a single carrier). The other 3 sockets are > blank. Mine has 2 chips. CPU BLANK BLANK CHIP. I don't have the M818 > in front of me, but does anyone know what the extra chip is for? >FRom the edge of the board in toward the middle its MMU, spare, floatingpoint, data/control. A minimal board will have data/control double as that's the F11 cpu. It will only be a 16 bit address. The MMU is was nearly standard and gave 18/22 bit addressing. Floating point was in two forms FIS chip, Floatingpoint Instruction Set which were microcode for floating point instructions or the M8188 module that actually did floating point in hardware (2901s!). Other options are the CIS or Commercial instruction set (aka cobal instruction set) and there was writeable control store if you wanted to write custom microcode for things like bitblting or emulation. The 11/23 did not have I&D space like the later J-11 cpus. The liniage for chip-11s is LSI11/03 (kd11-f quad width), LSI-11/2 (dual width KD-11), LSI-11/23a (KDF-11A dual width), LSI11/23b(+) (KDF-11B quad width), Then J-11 series. Note while the books said the 11/23a (kdf-11a) was 18 bit I have found many will operate as 22 bit. The KDF-11b was 22 bit addressing. Allison

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SMTP import error #-5

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

On 0 xxx 1980 MAILER-DAEMON(a)nwohio.nwohio.com wrote: > > here's the choice: My 486 or the PDP? > > Hey - I'll take that 486 8-) But it would be a LOT harder to get another PDP than another 486. > I don't think V7 would fit on a RX02 - maybe an RL02. What you probably > want is RT-11. Single user but with Foreground/Background tasking. Or > you could try TSX? which is a multi-user RT-11 kinda sort of 8-) I have > heard of but not seen one of these. Email me if you decide what you want. Hmm... There's an RX02 boot though. Maybe it could boot of seperate root/boot disks like Linux does? Of course, I can't build kernels as I have no source, so that goes in the can. Basically, anything multi-user would be cool, and TCP/IP would be a nice trick. BTW, which Unix was first to have TCP/IP?

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SMTP import error #-5

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

On 0 xxx 1980 MAILER-DAEMON(a)nwohio.nwohio.com wrote: > [Another aside - you heard from Galesburg yet? Nothing on my end 8-( Once > we get you a case, you can just hide the 486 inside and tell *them* its a > terminal 8-) ] That was the idea.

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Help with Convergent Technologies

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Oh and the floppy drives are f0, f1 etc. I think a question mark an the Command? prompt will give you more commands, What version of Ctos is it? ---------- > From: thedm <thedm(a)sunflower.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Help with Convergent Technologies > Date: Tuesday, July 08, 1997 5:33 AM > > Okay, [SyS][sys] is the first hard disk, then d1, d2 d3 etc > It was strictly an office automation machine, usually it came with Document > designer, Office spreadsheet and Bmail. When it boots, it has a bunch of > dots run across the screen, seems to me at this point it tells you the > software license. The licenses are, standalone, 5user, 10 user, 25 user and > 48 user. These machines had the networking built in. There are two RS422 > ports on the side, you can put 24 machines in a daisey chain on each side. > There is a surplus store here with buttloads of them and no one wants them > because they don't know what they are. These boxes are INtel based, but > propriatary as hell. There is a DOS emulator available or was. Unissys > currently owns this platform as of 1986, before then it was sperry, and > then your model convergent, allthough convergent still made alot of the > hardware under subcontract. If you ask me more specific questions I can > probably remember more. It's been 5 years since I even touched one. > > ---------- > > From: Ray Stricklin <kjaeros(a)u.washington.edu> > > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > > Subject: Re: Help with Convergent Technologies > > Date: Monday, July 07, 1997 7:53 PM > > > > On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, thedm wrote: > > > > > Is this a little square box cpu with a buss on the side? and ad ons > that > > > lock onto the side of it? If it is I used to administer a Convergent > > > network, it uses the BTOS/CTOS operating system and uses JCL for batch > > > programming. Its almost useless with out the native software and if I > > > recall our licenses where about 10,000 for a 48 user network. They do > make > > > a standalone version, but I'll be darned if i would ever know where to > find > > > it. > > > > That'd be the one. > > > > It has an OS installed; with the CPU I also picked up a QIC unit, 10 meg > > disk/floppy unit, a 'disk expansion' unit of unknown size (I'm short one > > power supply), and a GC-001 graphics unit, as well as boxes of QIC tapes > > and 360k floppies. The OS is installed along with lots of other stuff of > > unknown purpose on the hard disk/floppy box. It boots fine; I can play a > > little with it, but I really don't know what's there. > > > > I'm able to get file listings of [sys]<sys> which I'm assuming is the > hard > > disk. > > > > I wish there'd been an operator's manual in the lot.. > > > > ok > > -r

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Help with Convergent Technologies

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Okay, [SyS][sys] is the first hard disk, then d1, d2 d3 etc It was strictly an office automation machine, usually it came with Document designer, Office spreadsheet and Bmail. When it boots, it has a bunch of dots run across the screen, seems to me at this point it tells you the software license. The licenses are, standalone, 5user, 10 user, 25 user and 48 user. These machines had the networking built in. There are two RS422 ports on the side, you can put 24 machines in a daisey chain on each side. There is a surplus store here with buttloads of them and no one wants them because they don't know what they are. These boxes are INtel based, but propriatary as hell. There is a DOS emulator available or was. Unissys currently owns this platform as of 1986, before then it was sperry, and then your model convergent, allthough convergent still made alot of the hardware under subcontract. If you ask me more specific questions I can probably remember more. It's been 5 years since I even touched one. ---------- > From: Ray Stricklin <kjaeros(a)u.washington.edu> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Help with Convergent Technologies > Date: Monday, July 07, 1997 7:53 PM > > On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, thedm wrote: > > > Is this a little square box cpu with a buss on the side? and ad ons that > > lock onto the side of it? If it is I used to administer a Convergent > > network, it uses the BTOS/CTOS operating system and uses JCL for batch > > programming. Its almost useless with out the native software and if I > > recall our licenses where about 10,000 for a 48 user network. They do make > > a standalone version, but I'll be darned if i would ever know where to find > > it. > > That'd be the one. > > It has an OS installed; with the CPU I also picked up a QIC unit, 10 meg > disk/floppy unit, a 'disk expansion' unit of unknown size (I'm short one > power supply), and a GC-001 graphics unit, as well as boxes of QIC tapes > and 360k floppies. The OS is installed along with lots of other stuff of > unknown purpose on the hard disk/floppy box. It boots fine; I can play a > little with it, but I really don't know what's there. > > I'm able to get file listings of [sys]<sys> which I'm assuming is the hard > disk. > > I wish there'd been an operator's manual in the lot.. > > ok > -r

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old 80286

by jordicr＠eic.ictnet.es

I have a LAPTOP 80286. Can I connect to INTERNET with it? Does any Winsock exist? Which is the best software for MAIL and WWW? (using a 286, of course) Greetings, Jordi Carceller jordicr(a)eic.ictnet.es

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current HHC count

by dastar＠crl.com

Here is the current list I have of the Panasonic HHC buyout... Name Qty ----------------- --- Sam Ismail 4 Allison Parent 3 Jeff Hellige 2 Kelly Fergason 3 Gary Tucker 2 Roger Sinasohn 5 Ward Griffiths 3 Ben Coakley 1 Paul Coad 2 Jim Willing 3 Richard Cini 3 Hans Pufal 2 Doug Spence 3 John Ott 1 Bob Withers 2 Frank Peseckis 2 Roger Merchberger 3 (or up to 10! what a guy!) ursa(a)idir.net 4 Richard Schauer 2 Brian Stuart 3 Jeff Lodoen 1 Scott Ware 3 SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com 1 James Rice 3 Benedict Chong 2 Kirk Scott 2 Kirk (dynasoar) 2 Current Total: 66 If your name isn't on here, please e-mail me with how many you want. If your e-mail bounces, post your request publicly. If you want to add to your count, let me know. I will be sending the final total to Mike on Friday, so I will take requests up until sometime Friday when I fire off an e-mail to him. At that point I will try to cut a deal. I'm hoping for 100. Nobody will pay more than $10 per. If we get to 100 it should go down to $9 per. Remember...manuals, power supplies, ROM chips, custom RAM expander tray, some carrying cases. Features thermal printer, FORTH-like language in ROM, QWERTY keyboard. If you don't know what the hell I'm talking about, ask for details. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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IBM PC Radio 9075

by sinasohn＠crl.com

This weekend I picked up two IBM PC Radio laptops (numbered #9075). Anyone know anything about them? They came with no PS and the batteries are (of course) dead. They're nifty little machines, with a built-in ~adding-machine-sized printer, a connection for an antenna (at least, that's what it looks like) and a PCMCIA-ish slot. Any info would be greatly appreciated, as well as leads on finding a power supply or two. Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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PDP as a home computer - Acid Test. I LOST ALL MY STUFF!

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> X-Sender: danjo@typhoon > I don't think V7 would fit on a RX02 - maybe an RL02. What you probabl the miniroot would. Rl02(10mb) is more like it. Also V7 requires I&D space so the cpu had better by 11/73 or higher. IF 11/23 then use V5 or V6. > want is RT-11. Single user but with Foreground/Background tasking. Or > you could try TSX? which is a multi-user RT-11 kinda sort of 8-) I have RSTS-11 multitasking/timesharing. Or RSX-11 real time multitasking. Myself RT-11FB is my favorite as it's compact and can run off a rx02 and fast. Allison

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Apple & Commodore Stuff on Auction

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

Hello again. Time for the list of stuff. I have listed some items on a different auction than eBay AuctionWeb this time. It's a new auction so it's faster to search (less listings) and they do have a vintage computer category and a Non-PC/Mac software category. I'm still trying to reduce the pile (and get a little money for tuition next month) so everything sells for whatever the high bid is. Most of the power supplies/boards have been going for about $5 so far with a few exceptions. Remember to figure shipping in to what it's worth to you, I'm in Central CA. AuctionWeb: Mac II Logic Bd - NEW! Sealed From Factory! Bidding starts at: $5.00 Auction ends on: 07/13/97, 16:54:10 PDT http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=dcv57812 Apple IIc Power Supply NEW! Factory Bag/Box! Bidding starts at: $1.00 Auction ends on: 07/13/97, 17:15:38 PDT http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=fok750072 Apple II SCSI Card Current bid: $15.00 Auction ends on: 07/13/97, 17:25:49 PDT http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=uiy958 Auction Works: Commodore 1541 Drive in Orig Box Starts at $3 http://www.auctionworks.com/cgi-win/bid.exe?SITEID=WORKS+ACTION=VIEW+LOT=11… Apple 5.25 Disk Drive Brand New in Sealed Static Bag http://www.auctionworks.com/cgi-win/bid.exe?SITEID=WORKS+ACTION=VIEW+LOT=15… Apple IIC Computer http://www.auctionworks.com/cgi-win/bid.exe?SITEID=WORKS+ACTION=VIEW+LOT=11… Thanks for reading, Greg

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Amiga32? What's this?

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

> ---------- > From: Daniel A. > Seagraves[SMTP:dseagrav@bsdserver.tek-star.net] > I was reading some old videogame magazines for console games, and > found > an ad for something from Commodore called the Amiga32. It's a > nice-looking unit, with a CD-ROM on top. Anyone know what it is? > It's called a CD32. It's basically an Amiga 600 minus keyboard, in a one-piece unit similar to a PlayStation/Saturn. It was intended to compete with those entertainment consoles. Not a bad concept; there was a lot of Amiga game software available and it was simple to port to CD32 -- just remove any dependency on a full keyboard. Unfortunately it came along just before Commodore went under, and was never really marketed in the US. It was a decent success in Europe. > PS: There's some amiga in the junk-parts section of our place here. > I'm > gonna snag it given the first chance. But it has no disks or power > supply. There's a 3 1/2 in the side of it. All that's there is the > unit > itself. Would it be worth it? And would it need a bootdisk? > Sounds like an Amiga 500. You'd need a power supply and boot disk. The Amiga 500 power supply looks just like a Commodore 128 power supply, except the Amiga version has an on/off switch. It can use a TV as a monitor, but only in B&W. An RGB monitor is required for color. Amiga 500's go for surprisingly little money -- like $75 for a complete system -- so don't spend much on a PS. If it turns out to be dead, I need an internal floppy drive for mine... Kai

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Help with Convergent Technologies

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Is this a little square box cpu with a buss on the side? and ad ons that lock onto the side of it? If it is I used to administer a Convergent network, it uses the BTOS/CTOS operating system and uses JCL for batch programming. Its almost useless with out the native software and if I recall our licenses where about 10,000 for a 48 user network. They do make a standalone version, but I'll be darned if i would ever know where to find it. ---------- > From: Ray Stricklin <kjaeros(a)u.washington.edu> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Help with Convergent Technologies > Date: Monday, July 07, 1997 1:54 AM > > > I picked up a Convergent Technologies CP001/8 along with a tonne of > extra bits this weekend. It is an absolutely fascinating machine, but I > have no idea how to use it. /: > > Unfortunately, in all the extensive documentation I picked up (including > numerous schematics) there is not one operator's or user's guide, although > such are mentioned. The OS reference is, apparently, devoted to the > mechanicals: system calls, and so on. Useful, but not at the fledgeling > stage. (: > > If someone knows aught about this machine, I would sure love to hear what > you've got to tell. > > I also picked up a TI 99/4A and an Apple ][plus, which I shall require > some guidance with as well, as I cut my teeth on TRS-80 machines, and > didn't really even get into computers until I had moved up to a 386sx.. > > Thanks. > > ok > -r > >

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SMTP import error #-5

by dastar＠crl.com

On 0 xxx 1980 MAILER-DAEMON(a)nwohio.nwohio.com wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I assume other people are having the same problem of this host spewing forth duplicate posts? Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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Aquarius USR()

by BROBSTONA＠wartburg.edu

When I first got my Mattel Aquarius some thirteen years ago, I remember going through the owner's manual, typing in all the programs and all that. The manual documented the USR() function as something to execute machine language, which was "beyond the scope of the manual." I looked for probably three years (until I got my Apple IIgs and lost interest) for info on "machine code." The only place I knew to look was the public library, which, of course, had nothing. Does anyone know more about this? I don't have my Aquarius where I'm living right now to play with, unfortunately. -- Andy Brobston brobstona(a)wartburg.edu ***NEW URL BELOW*** http://www.wartburg.edu/people/docs/personalPages/BrobstonA/home.html My opinions do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Wartburg College as a whole.

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Help with Epson PX-8

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Hi all, I just acquired an Epson PX-8, minus documentation of course, and I need some help. Questions: - What is the RS-232 DIN plug pinout? Or better yet, a PX8-to-PC wiring diagram? (Digi-Key appears to have the plug, part # CP-2080-ND for $1.22 - 800-344-4539) - Can I connect a floppy drive to the 50-pin connector? If so, what specs does it expect? - I assume the SP OUT connector is for a speaker; what are the A/D IN and BRCD connectors for? - Anyone have a spare PX-8 keyboard protector shell they want to sell/trade? Any other info appreciated, thanks Kai

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Panasonic HHC

by dastar＠crl.com

To anyone who's sent me e-mail to be put down on the list for an HHC, if your mail bounced then please post it publicly here on the discussion group, and everyone excuse these people in advance. My service provider seems to think customer service is a joke to be played on its customers. I'll be switching to a provider which can handle the mundane task of exchanging e-mail. Note to the wise: stay away from CRL Network Services. Everyone else, if your mail did not bounce, do not send another request. I have your request saved, I just did not respond to you. I will be compiling a list tonight and will post it so you know if your request has been received. Thanks. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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Help with Epson PX-8

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

In message <33C14531.5B31(a)xlisper.mv.com> classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu writes: > Kai Kaltenbach wrote: > > - What is the RS-232 DIN plug pinout? > > 1 - GND > 2 - TxD > 3 - RxD > 4 - RTS > 5 - CTS > 6 - DSR > 7 - DTR > 8 - DCD That's certainly the HX20 pinout, and it's very sensibly arranged. Any DIN plug that will physically fit into the socket picks up a useful set of signals. A 3-pin plug picks up ground and both data signals 5-pin adds RTS and CTS 7-pin adds DTR and DSR and 8-pin adds DCD The later Epsons like my PX4 used a mini-DIN, alas, where you can't play tricks like this. > > -- > David Betz -tony

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Yes, I shall burn in the fyres of Hades...

by zmerch＠northernway.net

Yes, I finally got the fever for the flavor of a Pringles -- Dooh! I mean, the fever to spark up my CP/M machine... despite everyone & their brother telling me to check the PSU first. Yea, Tar & feather me, and ride me out on a rail... but I saved the thing >from Mr. Junkman, and it cost me $1.00 at an auction... Figured there wasn't much to lose. Here's what I have: It is *not* a Heath/Zenith machine.... It states simply on the front: Heathkit Computer. No nuthin' else. On the back, I found the Serial# and the number: H-120-1. I'm assuming this is the model number. It has two floppy drives (one of which the garage door is broken on) a full keyboard (which works fine, but is slightly sticky...) and an internal green 11" diag. mono monitor. Something tickled in my brain about those floppies, so as I lumbered around in the dark in my newly-begun clean-ish basement (Eeeeek!) I found my old non-working Atari 810 disk drive... and the mechs looked almost exact! Would these happen to be the same mechanically, would anyone know? Also, as there was no paperwork for this, so even the most basic, rudimentary info on this unit would be helpful... such as: which drive is the boot drive? Top or bottom? When I sparked it up, everything seemed to work, the tube came to life, and greeted me with a finger pointing to the right in the upper-left corner... and stayed there. Every key sequence I tried resulted in a "Beep" except <CTRL><RESET> which, of course, reset the machine and re-greeted me with the finger. Does anyone out there know what I have, and could you tell me? ;^> BTW, I (of course) would be in the market for a set of boot disks for this beastie... Thanks one and all, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger Merchberger | If at first you don't succeed, Programmer, NorthernWay | nuclear warhead disarmament should zmerch(a)northernway.net | *not* be your first career choice.

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HP71B

by Manney＠nwohio.nwohio.com

No, I'm not Tony Duell...I'm Manney. I have the HP-41 emulator ROM, not the Assembler/FORTH ROM (the HP-41 emulator came with a different FORTH and some other stuff.) I have a lot of documentation -- assuming no copyright infringements, I'd be glad to do what I can. Tell me your needs. Since I don't live in the UK (wish I did...about 125 years ago), I can't 'elp you with the magazines...sorry. Manney 419-6630-700

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MC-10 ???

by coslor＠pscosf.peru.edu

Does anyone have any old documentation, software, etc., etc., for the old Radio Shack TRS-80 MICRO Color Computer.... also known as the MC-10. I just aquired one with the power-supply, but nothing further. And, I am trying to locate more information on this little unit as well as software for it. Thanks, CORD COSLOR //*=====================================================================++ || Cord G. Coslor P.O. Box 308 - 1300 3rd St. Apt "M1" -- Peru, NE || || (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu 68421-0308 || || Classic computer software and hardware collector || || Autograph collector || ++=====================================================================*//

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HHC (fwd)

by dastar＠crl.com

More information on the HHCs as requested. I should've included this bit with the last message. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 13:40:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Mikeooo1(a)aol.com To: dastar(a)crl.com Subject: Re: HHC Sam, Yes they come with power supplies (internal batteries and AC adaptors).I have very few manuals however. Mike

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Help with Convergent Technologies

by kjaeros＠u.washington.edu

I picked up a Convergent Technologies CP001/8 along with a tonne of extra bits this weekend. It is an absolutely fascinating machine, but I have no idea how to use it. /: Unfortunately, in all the extensive documentation I picked up (including numerous schematics) there is not one operator's or user's guide, although such are mentioned. The OS reference is, apparently, devoted to the mechanicals: system calls, and so on. Useful, but not at the fledgeling stage. (: If someone knows aught about this machine, I would sure love to hear what you've got to tell. I also picked up a TI 99/4A and an Apple ][plus, which I shall require some guidance with as well, as I cut my teeth on TRS-80 machines, and didn't really even get into computers until I had moved up to a 386sx.. Thanks. ok -r

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Wanted: Old Amiga Genlocker

by more＠camlaw.rutgers.edu

If anyone has any old genlockers (preferably with some software) that will work on both/either an A600 and an A1000, please e-mail me! They (my amigas) are becoming paper weights and I'd like to put them to use as video titlers atleast. Thanks, Les more(a)crazy.rutgers.edu

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CLASSICCMP Digest #101 BrainDeath

by ursa＠idir.net

*:On Sat, 5 Jul 1997 classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: *: CLASSICCMP Digest 104 *: 1) Re: CLASSICCMP digest 101 *: by ursa <ursa(a)idir.net> My apologies for this fubar. Pine's auto-upload grabbed CCML #101 instead of the intended message. Or So I *Thought* ... It seems the NUL bucket wasn't quite as empty as we've been led to believe... We caught the responsible ruffian who dared dilly-dally discoursive data mustering modemic mayhem & what not, et al, ad nauseum... Please find chained below, for your drubbing pleasure, the Rogue & Hacker - Quasi Goto: .,. __., ,";~`' / `\l/ _ `O ( ' `./ <. \ I l_ ---,- ) ) ,'\ ( (--------/ /--l ,\ \ o=== \ __/ ===o o'((( I `. \ /)))`o`o```I____I ________ `o_/ ''' `o' / ,, ; \ / o' (o....' l l `o-o-o-o-o-o-o-0======o l l `o-o-o "`"'\i/~"\l/"`""` ( We know what you're thinking ... "where did we ever find such an ) ( <obviously Mythical> ~attractive~ COBOL programmer?" All we can say ) ( is: "You've gotta sweep alotta dungeons before you smell the flowers.") He has been hiding in our NUL bucket (nasty habit), regurgitating when our electronic back was turned... Please throw only fresh vegetables, as he will only eat the rotten ones, sort of taking the edge off of the punishment thing... Thank you for your patience & understanding. Our barristers, Forth, Lisp, Rodney, Punch-Card, & Howl have assured us that should such happen again, certain rather uncomfortable "snips" *will* occur - and something or other concerning being eaten by a grue... RetroHexaDecimatically Yours, -=GF=- TagByPsychoTag: "Tornados are both Vortical & Harmizontal." -=GF=- (Remember you heard it here first - on Mental Roller Derby)...

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Osborne Collectibles

by louiss＠gate.net

It appears my last post may have contained at least one ambiguity. In each case where the number of available items is more than one, the price is for EACH. For example, for the 2 boxed sets of original software, the price is $30 for each box. I apologize for any confusion. On Sun, 06 Jul 97 21:34:12 -0400, Louis Schulman wrote: > > OSBORNE 1 AND EXECUTIVE COLLECTIBLES > >Hi, > >I've decided to focus my collecting on Apple items. Therefore, I have some >Osborne collectibles I'd like to sell. I thought I'd give this group the >first shot, before going public. >etc. Louis

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Osborne Collectibles

by louiss＠gate.net

OSBORNE 1 AND EXECUTIVE COLLECTIBLES Hi, I've decided to focus my collecting on Apple items. Therefore, I have some Osborne collectibles I'd like to sell. I thought I'd give this group the first shot, before going public. All items are AS IS, subject to the descriptions given. Nothing is warranted, except that the items are as represented. Prices do not include shipping >from Tampa, Florida 1 Tan Case Osborne 1. Beautiful cosmetic condition. Has double-density upgrade. Startup screen displays with extra characters (zeros), and attempts to boot a disk result in boot errors..........$75 1 Osborne-103 "internal" modem with manual and software. Blue plastic, fits in pocket below left-hand disk drive. Missing ribbon jumper cable (should be simple to replace). Cosmetically excellent...$25 5 Osborne 1 "User's Reference Guides". There are a number of different versions and revisions. Original version in black plastic 3-ring binder from December,1981 with corrections(the corrections seem to pre-date the publication-I think they are misdated).......$25 Completely re-written version in black plastic 3-ring binder appears to be from around January, 1982.......$25 Blue spiral-bound version from February, 1982 in good condition..$20 Blue spiral bound version as above in fair condition with tabs added to pages...$10 Grey paper-back version that appears to have come with blue case Osbornes in very good condition....$20 1 Package of correspondence and documents from OCC including an updated section on SuperCalc (contained in the second black plastic manual), information on upgrades and software, and an introductory letter machine-signed by Adam Osborne....$10 1 MBasic manual, grey paper-back....$5 1 Osborne Field Service Manual published by Xerox for Osborne 1,1A and Executive. 245 pages in 3-ring binder plus appencices, schematics, and updates through February 1984. Very comprehensive and easy to use. Unfortunately missing first 42 pages on general Osborne 1 disassembly. However, it appears that this material was mostly the obvious things, and the comparable sections for the Executive are present. Very useful......$35 1 Osborne 1 Technical Manual by Osborne Computer, 1982. Complete photocopy of manual with schematics, appendice, etc. Approximately 250 pages. The schematics are foldouts, and photocopy may have been the original means of reproduction.......$35 2 Boxed sets of original Osborne software. Each Osborne labeled box contains the following original disks in original sleeves: CP/M System; CP/M Utility; CBasic/MBasic; SuperCalc; WordStar; Upgrade Diskette. Note that these are sold as collector's items- the data integrity is not warranted, in fact the contents of the disks are not warranted...$30 2 Double Density User's Manual with original Extended Utility Disk in original sleeve in blue plastic binder. Like new, data integrity not guaranteed.....$10 13 Original Osborne disks in Osborne sleeves. Some have user-applied labels. May or may not contain labeled software. Data integrity not guaranteed. Titles: Double Density WordStar(2); Diagnostic II Diskette One; Osborne Executive Exerciser Diskette; Executive Diagnostics(2); PC Files; CP/M System; CP/M Utility; SuperCalc; Extended Utility Disk; Single Density WordStar; Upgrade Diskette.....$3 each 1 XtraKey User Guide...$3 1 SuperGraphics 4.1. Original disk, manual and literature.....$10 1 "The Portable Companion", premiere issue, June/July 1982 published by Osborne Computer. 85 page full-color magazine, a true collectible. Color cover shows Afghan guerillas using an Osborne 1....$25 1 "A Guide to Products and Services for the Osborne Computers" by Spite Software, 1985. A 50 page guide to everything that was available... ...$10 1 Grey plastic cover from the back of an Osborne. These are often missing.. ...$5 Offers on multiple items or for everything are welcome. Please e-mail me at louiss(a)gate.net with any questions. Louis

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Sony CP/M machine?

by kmar＠lle.rochester.edu

At 02:21 PM 7/2/97 +0000, you wrote: >Sam Ismail wrote: >> >> I mentioned previously a discussion I had over dinner of some classic >> systems. One of the systems mentioned was a Sony CP/M machine from the >> very early 80s. Anyone know anything about this system? > >Well...from my Sony book they list in 1982 a "new desktop microcomputer >system, "SCM-70" and its peripherals for video as well as business >applications". > >Could this be it? > >enrico >================================================================ >Enrico Tedeschi, 54, Easthill Drive, BRIGHTON BN41 2FD, U.K. >tel/fax +(0)1273 701650 (24 hours) or 0850 104725 mobile >website <http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~e.tedeschi> >================================================================ >visit Brighton: <http://www.brighton.co.uk/tourist/welcome.htm> > I was just given a Sony SMC-70 last weekend by a friend of my son's that is moving. The machine has 3.5" single-sided floppy disks, both black & white and RGB video outputs, an RS-232 interface, parallel interface, and a DB-25 connector labeled "external drives". It also has a "supercharger" unit with it that contains an 8086 processor. This "brick" plugs into the back of the SMC-70 using a centronics-type 50 pin cable. According ot the documentation, when this "supercharger" is plugged in, the Z-80 processor in the main unit handles all of the I/O functions and the 8086 becomes the default CPU. The system uses either CP/M (in Z-80 mode) or CM/M-86 (in 8086 mode). I have manuals and documentation for the machine, the Sony applications, and the CP/M and CP/M-86 operating systems, but the original system and applications diskettes were not passed along to the person I got the machine from by its original owner. Anybody have any idea where I could get at least the OS for this thing? It looks like a neat little machine. Kenneth L. Marshall Research Engineer, Optical Materials Laboratory for Laser Energetics University of Rochester 250 East River Road Rochester, NY 14623 Phone:(716)-275-8247 Fax: (716)-275-5960

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Composite output

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

In message <199707061451.JAA22190(a)challenge.sunflower.com> classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu writes: > Once I try it myself, sure. All I planned on doing was desoldering, or > patching onto the input of the RF modulator, {the 1.5x2in box that you plug > your tv into) to a composite RCA style connector. Hoping this will work. That's what I did (in most cases). The modulator typically has 3-5 connections. They are : Ground (connected to the 0v line of the computer) Power (typically +9V - +12V) Video Input (Composite - jsut what you want) Channel Select (in the US - connected to the Channel 3/Channel 4 switch) Audio Input Most modulators are standard parts, and you can get data on them (or at least a pinout. I'm unlikely to be much help here, since I'm in the UK, and our TV system is different). Anyway, you need to identify the video input. Either look at the modulator data sheet, the schematics of the computer or trace it out by hand (eliminate the ground and power pins, and look at what's left). I've just found the (USA) CoCo Technical manual. The modulator has 5 connections, including the case. It's a UM1285-8 (I suspect that this is used in other computers as well). Anyway, the connections are : Case - ground 1 (Nearest the RCA socket on the modulator) - Video Input 2 +12V power 3 Audio Input 4 Channel Select Now connect a piece of 75 Ohm video cable with the centre wire to the video input pin on the modulator and the braid to the 0V line. Connect the other end of that cable to the monitor. -tony

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Composite output

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Got a simple question. God I hope it's simple and does not turn out to be an advocacy question. Im planning my "museum" setup. I have alot of machines that were simply designed only to work on Color TV's. Is it possible to just tap the input's before they get to the RF modulator {built in} and use a composite monitor, of which I have dozens? Otherwise I've got to buy, scrounge, find, about 9 color tv's.

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Composite output

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Once I try it myself, sure. All I planned on doing was desoldering, or patching onto the input of the RF modulator, {the 1.5x2in box that you plug your tv into) to a composite RCA style connector. Hoping this will work. ---------- > From: dynasoar <dynasoar(a)mindspring.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Composite output > Date: Sunday, July 06, 1997 11:13 PM > > > > On Thu, 26 Jun 1997, A.R. Duell wrote: > > > > ... <snip> Is it > > > possible to just tap the input's before they get to the RF modulator {built > > > in} and use a composite monitor, of which I have dozens? <snip> ... > > > > In general, yes you can....<snip>.... > > -- > > -tony > > ard12(a)eng.cam.ac.uk > > This sounds like a real workable solution to the problem of finding > suitable displays for some of the old T.V. dependent machines. Would you > be willing to give really specific directions on how to do this? Something > a relative amateur with a few basic electronics skills could follow? > > Thanks, > > Kirk Scott > dynasoar(a)mindspring.com >

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