- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by adam＠merlin.net.au

>Sounds like just unseated chips, this was very common for this unit, I have >4 myself. Take off the cover and push in all the chips checking for >corrosion. After you remove the top you can remove the motherboard on its >mounting plate from the bottom. If you pull out the titan cards you also >remove the video bios. Unless you have the old chip to replace the chip >the cards are attatched to, you can't boot the machine. Apple recommended that when this started to occur, you picked the Apple /// a couple of inches off the table and dropped it to reseat the chips. I'm not suprised that they weren't the success Apple had wanted. :) Adam.

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Painting/Re-finishing computer cases...

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

Here is something new: I just read a newsgroup post about a (somewhat) poor soul who has gotten a PET 2001 with a rusty case looking for re-finishing/painting suggestions. I suggested he subscribe here and ask for help. Thinking about it this is a cool topic for discussion, has anyone re-painted their computer cases and what tips/suggestions do you have for us or what should we avoid (also got any good color schemes?). (I have a few 64s lying around that would look neat with a custom paint job, since they are plastic, what do you suggest? I remember a letter in one of the Commodore mags on how to remove and re-set the alphanumeric decals on a keyboard, maybe I sould spend half a day in the storage unit and find some of this stuff... :/ Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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Apple III booting Irregularity

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Sounds like just unseated chips, this was very common for this unit, I have 4 myself. Take off the cover and push in all the chips checking for corrosion. After you remove the top you can remove the motherboard on its mounting plate from the bottom. If you pull out the titan cards you also remove the video bios. Unless you have the old chip to replace the chip the cards are attatched to, you can't boot the machine. ---------- > From: Rob Bedeaux <bede0005(a)garnet.tc.umn.edu> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Apple III booting Irregularity > Date: Thursday, September 18, 1997 2:39 PM > > Hi all::: > > Just acquired an Apple III with 256k ram and a Titan III + IIe board. > When I power it up I get a beep and the ram test begins. After this the > screeen fills with text, sits for a minute and then goes back to the ram > test. If I hit the reset button, it will boot up. Is this normal. If I > tried pulling out the Titan cards, but then it doesn't even get that far > (Just some hires graphics giberish.) Is the 6502 on the titan board? > Finally, I read somewhere that you can replace the 6502 on the titan card > with a 65c02 for enhanced //e support. Any ideas if this is fact or > fallacy? > > rob

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Computer Pricing

by adam＠merlin.net.au

>What irks me slightly about the Old Computer Auction Web is their slogan >"Setting values for antique computers". They are trying to put >themselves in a very lofty position with this slogan. Trying to set the >value of ANY collectable is impossible since there are shortages of one >thing vs. surpluses of another in different parts of the country or the >world. Like, I can go pick up an Apple //e any weekend for $5-$10, >whereas someone in Iowa or South Carolina (no offense meant, just trying >to pick some states where one wouldn't readily be able to find an Apple >//e, I have no clue if these states are appropriate or not) or Europe >cannot readily find a //e. Conversely, someone in the UK can easily find >a Sinclair Spectrum or someone in France can find an Oric without too >much trouble while it would be next to impossible to find one in the states. If you think that is a problem, try collecting in Australia. :) Pretty much no competition for old computers (as far as I know I am one of only two serious collectors in the state), but also almost no systems. Everything seems to be in the US, but here the only common computer seems to be the C64. So the values are horribly confused. On the plus side, and awful lot of people are willing to give away their computers, as there is nothing else to do with them. That's how I got my Lisa, for example. When asked how much I think a given system is worth I invariably find myself in a quandry, as there are very few of them (whatever it may be) but also very, very few collectors. As an example, the Mac 128 I've seen from free to $200, with $50 being the most common, the Apple IIc ranges from $5 (I bought it) to $100, and the Amstrad CPC6128 goes from $7 to $150. All of this in the one city. How do you advise people how much their system is worth in that sort of climate? Mind you, I just picked up (last night) an Tandy TRS-80 Color Computer I for $20 - high, I thought, until you realise that it was new in box, never even plugged in. Adam.

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Computer Pricing

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

I agree and have been saving old ads, promotions give away's and the like. My library is very large and contains over 500 books. Keep computing ! At 03:12 PM 9/19/97 -0700, you wrote: >Sam Ismail wrote: > >> AuctionWeb, but once I saw that my items (some old common computers and >> video game systems) were going for far more than I had anticipated, I >> didn't bother, not caring what bidder ended up with whatever high bid. > >I am starting to find the pricing for *some* of the older computers far more >than I had imagined. My suspicions are that the value of the older >computers is starting to rise as more and more people starting (finally!) >thinking about the history of these things. For instance, I had no idea the >Sol would go for the price it did although it seemed very complete. The Old >Computer Auction Web had some pricing that I thought high, but I am seeing >the same type of thing in other places. I still get given quite a bit of >stuff, but it is declining as I see more and more people looking at the 386 >as old :). > >One thing that does deserve some special consideration is the documentation >and advertising literature of the 70's and 80's. The other night, I got >what appears to be the first Radio Shack advertising brochure for the >TRS-80. THIS is the type of thing that is being thrown away without any >thought and we need to build some awareness that this stuff is equally a >part of history. I have talked to a number of people who told me they >cleaned out their files and got rid of this stuff <sigh>. > > > >

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IBM 5120

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> > A brief speculation on IBM numbering. 5123 is probably a derivative of > > 5120 in some sense. 5322, on the other hand, looks like a variety of > > System/32 (the 5320). System/32 begat System/34 (5340) begat System/36 > > (5360 = large, 5362 = desk side, 5364 = dekstop) begat AS/400 (I think). > > System/38 also fits in there somewhere (5380) so you would expect a > > System/23 to be called 5230. > > Close but it went S/32, S/34, S/38 -> AS/400 and S/36 -> AS/400 > The System/36 was a completely different line and incompatable with the > S/38. It was also developed after the S/38 (1983 compared to 1978 I > believe). The AS/400 is based on S/38 hardware but has the capability to > run S/36 software. (Actually the new AS/400's can be configed to run as > a S/36 actually running the S/36 operating system.) Interesting. I only once (I think) ever used a System/38, so I was not very familiar with it. But I used a S/34 a lot, and when I had to write software for a PC front end to a S/36, found the S/36 very similar from the user interface point of view. Also, the 5360 looked physically like a more modern 5340, complete with an updated version of my favourite floppy drive (23 disks in one drive!). Alas, I never found out what became of the old 5340 that I worked on (this was as a student before university) - when I went back for a vacation job, it had gone, and all the software had been moved to, you guessed it, another 5340! I also once posted to a newsgroup within IBM, "Is there a similar group for 5300 series minicomputers" which received the inexplicable reply, "The system/38 isn't a minicomputer." (The S/34 and S/36, in which I was interested, certainly were, so why wasn't the S/38? On the other hand, the PC graphics terminals 537X weren't.) The group did exist, but I never read it much in the end. Still, enough reminiscing. Does anyone know if there are any S/34 or even S/32 machines still around? I once had a short e-mail exchange with someone who might have been going to acquire a S/34 but AFAIK he never managed it. Philip.

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Kaypro I & 4+88 software

by dastar＠crl.com

I have a friend that needs software for a Kaypro I and a 4+88 (I have never heard of this but he says he has one). Would Don Maslin have the system disks for these beasts? Or anyone else? Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

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IBM 5120 info needed

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

third time trying to send this message ? I have a 5110 cpu unit but had to leave the drive unit and printer behind :( If you can get the 5120 it would be a great find for your collection. The data storage could be either 1.2 M or 2.4 M on the 8" floppies. The machine was announced in March of 1980 and was the successor to the 5100 and was based on the 5110 Model 3. Also Basic and APL are in ROM. Good luck with it. At 09:59 PM 9/17/97 -0500, you wrote: >My second job as a computer programmer put me in front of an IBM 5120. >It was a desktop model which incorporated a B&W monitor, keyboard, and >two 8" floppy drives in the main cabinet. > >In addition, there was an optional dual disk drive expansion unit which >contained two more 8" floppy drives. This unit was the size of a small >filing cabinet, and rolled on casters. > >There was also a wide carriage dot-matrix IBM printer with it. > >If I remember correctly, I believe BASIC was in ROM. When the computer >accessed the floppy drives, it shut the screen off for timing or speed, >resulting in a flashing screen that drove you batty by the end of the >day! IBM also produced a model 5110 which I believe was a similar >machine to the 5120. The machine was manufactured around 1979, and the >only thing it has in common with the original PC is the big red power >switch. From what I understood at the time, IBM basically disowned the >5120 when the PC became popular. > >I would like to approach my former employer to procure this machine for >my collection, but have been unable to find any info about it on the >web. Does anyone know how common/uncommon these units are? Any other >info would be much appreciated. > >Grant Zozman >gzozman(a)escape.ca > > >

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Apple III booting Irregularity

by bede0005＠garnet.tc.umn.edu

Hi all::: Just acquired an Apple III with 256k ram and a Titan III + IIe board. When I power it up I get a beep and the ram test begins. After this the screeen fills with text, sits for a minute and then goes back to the ram test. If I hit the reset button, it will boot up. Is this normal. If I tried pulling out the Titan cards, but then it doesn't even get that far (Just some hires graphics giberish.) Is the 6502 on the titan board? Finally, I read somewhere that you can replace the 6502 on the titan card with a 65c02 for enhanced //e support. Any ideas if this is fact or fallacy? rob

28 years, 7 months

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Sanyo MBC-3000

by sinasohn＠crl.com

Anyone know anything about the Sanyo MBC-3000? It's a desktop (like a TRS-80 Model II, kinda) with a built-in monitor and two vertical 8" drives on the right. I think it's a CP/M machine, but I'm not sure. (All I found on the web was a place in Aus that can do data conversions.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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PDP 11/34 rescue

by rcini＠classic.msn.com

Already on this one...picking it up 10/3. I found out about it through my contact at Temple University. ------------------------------------------------- Rich Cini/WUGNET <rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin Charter Member (6) - MCP Windows 95/Netowrking ============================== Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 00:10:09 GMT From: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Subject: RESCUE NEEDED! PDP-11/34 Message-ID: <342c70f8.856658289(a)mail.wizards.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks in the area of the University of Pennsylvania may be interested in the fact that there's a PDP-11/34 with loads o' goodies that needs rescue. Contact the person directly, please. I've included the text of their post to Usenet.

28 years, 7 months

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IBM 5120

by rcini＠classic.msn.com

On Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:59:50 Grant Zozman <gzozman(a)escape.ca> wrote: >>My second job as a computer programmer put me in front of an IBM 5120. >>It was a desktop model which incorporated a B&W monitor, keyboard, and >>two 8" floppy drives in the main cabinet. Sounds like an early Datamaster to me. I have a Datamaster (5123), but it has a green-screen, not a B&W one. Otherwise the description matches. As I understand the Datamaster, it really was the predecessor to the PC. It was desktop based, although you needed a large desk <g>. It had an ISA-like bus into which you could plug-in cards. My guess, from talking to someone who worked on the project, that it was a business machine (A/P, billing, word processing, etc.) that fell out of favor when IBM introduced the PC in 1981. The PC was 1/3 the size, probably 1/4 the weight, much faster, and used 5-1/4" diskettes. There are several Datamaster owners here who can fill in more about the actual specs. I don't use mine much because I have a blown ROM chip that prevents me from booting... ------------------------------------------------- Rich Cini/WUGNET <rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin Charter Member (6) - MCP Windows 95/Netowrking

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IBM 5120 info needed

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

I have a 5110 cpu unit but had to leave the drive unit and printer behind :( If you can get the 5120 it would be a great find for your collection. The data storage could be either 1.2 M or 2.4 M on the 8" floppies. The machine was announced in March of 1980 and was the successor to the 5100 and was based on the 5110 Model 3. Also Basic and APL are in ROM. Good luck with it. At 09:59 PM 9/17/97 -0500, you wrote: >My second job as a computer programmer put me in front of an IBM 5120. >It was a desktop model which incorporated a B&W monitor, keyboard, and >two 8" floppy drives in the main cabinet. > >In addition, there was an optional dual disk drive expansion unit which >contained two more 8" floppy drives. This unit was the size of a small >filing cabinet, and rolled on casters. > >There was also a wide carriage dot-matrix IBM printer with it. > >If I remember correctly, I believe BASIC was in ROM. When the computer >accessed the floppy drives, it shut the screen off for timing or speed, >resulting in a flashing screen that drove you batty by the end of the >day! IBM also produced a model 5110 which I believe was a similar >machine to the 5120. The machine was manufactured around 1979, and the >only thing it has in common with the original PC is the big red power >switch. From what I understood at the time, IBM basically disowned the >5120 when the PC became popular. > >I would like to approach my former employer to procure this machine for >my collection, but have been unable to find any info about it on the >web. Does anyone know how common/uncommon these units are? Any other >info would be much appreciated. > >Grant Zozman >gzozman(a)escape.ca > > >

28 years, 7 months

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RESCUE NEEDED! PDP-11/34

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

Folks in the area of the University of Pennsylvania may be interested in the fact that there's a PDP-11/34 with loads o' goodies that needs rescue. Contact the person directly, please. I've included the text of their post to Usenet. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- Path: Supernews69!Supernews73!supernews.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!globalcenter1!news.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!europa.clark.net!207.172.3.52!feed1.news.erols.com!news.voicenet.com!nntp.upenn.edu!cattell.psych.upenn.edu!nachmias From: nachmias(a)cattell.psych.upenn.edu (Jacob Nachmias) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp11 Subject: PDP11/34 available Date: 14 Sep 1997 23:18:48 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Department of Psychology Lines: 92 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <5vhrco$uu7$1(a)netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cattell.psych.upenn.edu Xref: Supernews69 alt.sys.pdp11:2426 The assembled systgem is functioning perfectly. I am abandoning it in favor of newer computers. If you are interested in any part of it, plese send me e-mail or call. Jacob Nachmias nachmias(a)psych.upenn.edu 215 898-7523 ........................................................................ The following is mounted in one 7 ft DEC rack: +++Modules in PDP11/34 processor box+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ M7524-7 M7856 M7859 M9202-3 MB265-7 MS11L128KW +++Modules in expansion box++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ M7860 (3 boards) M7865 )2 boards) M7025 ++++Also one RK05 and one RKO5J I have manuals and engineering drawings for all of the above. In addition, I have several RKO5 diskpacks, a mountick rack for same, and numberous spare boards, as follows: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ M N7210 M8293 G938 M7257 M7254-6 M7680 M234 M9970 M7701 M7211 M920 M7702 M827 G180 MDB205905 G180 M792YB M7681 M7856 16K MOS UNIBUS MEMORY (4 boards) DEC P/N H-222A, SIZE 16K X 18 (375) (4 boards) M7700 G938 M7800YA M7720 LA36MPC M7860 M7728 A38MPC M7727 READ/WRITE CONTROL LA36 POWER BOARD (2 boards) M7856 (4 boards) KD11E-A CONTROL M7860 M8267 11/34 FLOATING POINT OPTION M7859 MB265 KD11EA DATA PATH DIGITAL PATHWAYS TCU100 M7762 RL11 CONTROLLER MD312 The following items are also available: RKO5J - partly cannibalized a second 7ft DEC rack 4 assorted DACs, 1 A/D unit, external (2K) buffer memory, 2 programmable attenuators (64 db in .5 db steps). 2 pulse generators/clocks 2 delay generators 1 LA50 printer Hewlett Packard 7221 (5 pen graphics plotter) (sofware to run it can be supplied) -=-=- <snip> -=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL SUBJECT TO $500.00 PROOFREADING FEE PER ITEM SENT. SENDING ME SUCH UNSOLICITED ITEMS CONSTITUTES UNDERSTANDING AND ACCEPTANCE OF THESE TERMS. Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272) http://www.wizards.net/technoid -- kyrrin2-At-Wizards-Dot-Net "...Spam is bad. Spam wastes resources. Spam is theft of service. Don't spam, period..."

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IBM Convertible Parts Needed and other Nifties

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-09-17 21:37:24 EDT, Mr Clifton put forth: << Received some fun free things today. I got an IBM Convertible that works but appears to have no ports for things like printers, serial, etc. What info can anyone give me about this machine and does anyone have the expansion chassis that apparently plugs on the back? >> I also have a pc convertible. pretty neat little machine. it had nothing built-in except for a modem, or at least mine does. ports were added by means on "wedges" you plugged in at the back of the machine. I have the serial/parallel adaptor as well as some kind of rca output video and pcjr style video output plugs. recently i just picked up the pc convertible printer that also attached to the back of the machine. my battery is bad, and my ac adaptor is dodgy so i need to fix that before i can really play with it. when everything is plugged in, the whole setup is about twice a long as normal, certainly doesnt fit on a desk well. I have the guide to operations, as well as extra floppy drives and a spare lcd. I can provide addtional info if need be. david

28 years, 7 months

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Lisa 2/5 Startup Problems

by adam＠merlin.net.au

I've got one of these too - beautiful computers, wonderfully engineered. >Opening up the case I saw one problem the four batteries need replacement, >and are starting to corrode. Any idea's on where replacements can be found? Always check for this. A very common problem is that the batteries corrode and kill the motherboard. >The button above the keyboard jack doesn't seem to function properly, it >lights up, but I can't turn the computer off using it, it simply resets it. Are you running it as a Mac XL or as a Lisa? Again, this is a common problem with the XL OS, and occurs on mine. Although not wise, I found switching it off at the power supply was the only solution. It does seem to work while booting up though - just not while in the OS. >However, if I go to the menu, and let it sit for a little while the light >comes on solid on the profile drive. I can then tell it to start from that >disk, then the screen goes dark, the profile disk whirrs a couple times >(the disk is nice and quite, moreso than a lot of more modern drives). Note that it takes a while for the ProFile to reach operating speed. Until the red light is on solidly, do not start your Lisa - wait until you get a solid light before turning it on. That should solve at least some of your problems. >Are there disk images of the boot disks available anywhere? I gather there >is a program on the Apple site >ftp://mirror.apple.com/mirrors/info-mac/disk/dart-153.hqx that will let you >create them, but I haven't had any luck searching. I would almost assume >they are on a Apple server somewhere since pre-System 7.1 MacOS, and the OS >for the Apple II is there. You should be able to get them, but I am afraid I know not where. However I had heard that Sun Remarketing had the OS for the Lisa, including the original Office 7/7, or whatever it was called. You should perhaps contact them. Adam.

28 years, 7 months

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Good week

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Hi everyone Had a good week so far and picked 8 Mac plus units for those of you who e-mailed me for one. I will go back and look at the date and time on each e-mail and contact you in that order to see if you are still interested in a unit. I also got 2 SE's with the 20 meg HD, one is the SE FDHD unit M5011 Vs the SE M5010 they even look different across the front. Got 2 SE's with just floppy drives. 2 apple 800k ext FD units M0131; 2 Hayes microcoupler units; 1 SummaSketch unit wit pen and power supply; IBM 8507 19' mono vga unit; Apple extended KBII; Triplet model 601 solid state v-o-m; 2 digital DECserver100's and 1 model 300 with manuals and software; CMS ext tape cartridge unit; EICO oscilloscope model 460; Panasonic video monitor model WV-950; and last a Catamount Ministreamer magnetic transport tape drie unit model 1052. And the weekend is not even close for my long trips out to the small towns. I'm doing my part to save as much as I can from the scrape bin. Keep computing !

28 years, 7 months

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IBM Convertible Parts Needed and other Nifties

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

There are a number of modules that plug into the PC Convertible. It's analogous to the PCjr "sidecars". I know that the following units exist: 1) a serial/parallel module; 2) a composite video output module for the PC Convertible Monitor; 3) a printer module; and 4) the battery module. Kai > ---------- > From: Anthony Clifton[SMTP:wirehead@retrocomputing.com] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 1997 3:17 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: IBM Convertible Parts Needed and other Nifties > > > Received some fun free things today. I got an IBM Convertible that > works > but appears to have no ports for things like printers, serial, etc. > What > info can anyone give me about this machine and does anyone have the > expansion chassis that apparently plugs on the back? > > I also received two Commodore SFD-1001 drives (the IEEE-488 things > that > look like a 1541). Anyone have an IEEE adapter for a C64, etc? > > Thanks... > > Anthony Clifton - WireHead Prime >

28 years, 7 months

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FW: Fellow seeking SOLace

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

Saw this on Usenet, figured this would be the best place to lead him. Please reply direct if you can help. And no, I couldn't resist the pun. ;-) -=-=- <snip> -=-=- I am searching for a working SOL-10 or SOL-20 computer manufactured by Processor Technology. I am also looking for the Helios II disk drive unit and any software/manuals/cassettes which you may have. Very seriously interested. Jordan email to: rudermanjp(a)thegrid.net -=-=-

28 years, 7 months

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Model 100 Schematics

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 12:47 AM 9/12/97 -0700, you wrote: >A friend of mine and I both have TRS Model 100s with problems and I am >looking for schematics to the unit. If anyone has them for sale, cost of There's also the m100 mailing list, if you're not already on it. Kinda quiet, but in the past had lots of good info. It's hosted at Northernway (Roger Merchberger (which I'm sure I've misspelled) runs it now) and I'll bet you're going to ask for the address.... Send a message to <m100-request(a)list.northernway.net> with subscribe in the subject (I think) and a blank message to sign up. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Dumb Terminals

by dastar＠crl.com

I posted earlier this week about some dumb terminals a guy had for sale cheap. Well, I ended up acquiring the rest of the terminals and cables and stuff because Ralph wanted to get rid of them and couldn't hold onto them anymore. Whoever was working on a deal with Ralph, please e-mail me and I will honor whatever terms you guys came up with. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

28 years, 7 months

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Altair Scans update

by rcini＠classic.msn.com

On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:54:45, Kai Kaltenbach <kaikal(a)MICROSOFT.com> wrote: >>Whatever happened to these? Well, I got the Zip disk from my firend and it contained all of what was in my original post (91mb). I made a backup of the disk onto 4mm tape and mailed to Bill Whitson, by now about 3 weeks ago, for him to post on the ftp server. I have not gotten positive confirmation from him whether or not he received the package that I sent (via priority mail). I presume that as soon as he has had a chance to look through the scans to verify the contents, he will post them. If anyone else needs them quicker, contact me off-list and I can arrange to have them sent to you (you provide the media). ------------------------------------------------- Rich Cini/WUGNET <rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin Charter Member (6) - MCP Windows 95/Netowrking

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Lost Buys

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Well it happened again I walked into the place today as far the eye could see there apples, mac II's, 19 inch apple mono moniters, vax units, hp vectra's, and lots of other items all sold or on hold at 5 bucks each. It all came in Monday afternoon after I left around 12:30pm. They say that another truck load will be in later this week and may camp out. Monday I did get a Polymorphic System 8813 with keyboard, a Zenith model 14ZdC3, HP III laser, and a Bernoullibox II all for $5 each. Well back to testing the units from last week.

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help request sent last night re: Unisys/wrong name systems

by wpe＠interserv.com

Sorry all... Due to a cramp in brain cell #2, Convergent came out as Congruent... Will -- Sorry to have to resort to this, but, due to the myriad of automatic e-mail advertising ("SPAMming") programs out there, I've been forced to modify my "reply to" address. To reply to this message, you must remove the .spamfree from the reply-to address. To those friends, and folks who are trying to contact me with info that I will likely be happy to receive, I apologze for this inconvienence. To those out there, sending all these annoying "junk mail" messages, I say "Oh well...." Will

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Altair scans update

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Whatever happened to these? thanks Kai > ---------- > From: Richard A. Cini, Jr.[SMTP:rcini@classic.msn.com] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 1997 5:31 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Altair scans update > > For those who have asked... > > The Altair scans are ready to post, I just have to ZIP them up and > send the > tape to Bill Whitson. Does anyone have his physical address?? > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Rich Cini/WUGNET > <rcini(a)msn.com> > - ClubWin Charter Member (6) > - MCP Windows 95/Netowrking >

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Fw: No more Free Apple ///s

by thedm＠sunflower.com

at least they werent trashed. ---------- > From: John David Rose <chernoff(a)hargray.com> > To: thedm(a)sunflower.com > Cc: quantum(a)telis.org; ;;;jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com;; ;;;jbcole(a)ix.netcom.com;; ;;;towad(a)aol.com;; ;;;Zhiyuan(a)world.net.att.net;; ;;;Yertzell(a)worldnet.att.net;; ;;;warpig(a)mindspring.com;; ;;;peterb(a)revealed.net;; ;;;jac(a)openix.com;; ;;;glee(a)millcomm.com;; ;;;MichaelGoe(a)aol.com;; ;;;gmast(a)polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu;; ;;;shack(a)frii.com;; ;;;tnguyen(a)UDel.Edu;; ;;;bucho(a)magpage.com; > Subject: No more Free Apple ///s > Date: Tuesday, September 16, 1997 12:50 PM > > Thank you for your response and interest in the Apple ///s. We received an > immediate response from a school for disadvantaged youngsters within an > hours drive of our office. They have already come and picked up the gear, > and they have a greatly experienced computer guy to help them set them up. > Sorry, but great for them. > > JD >

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Fw: No more Free Apple ///s

by alanr＠morgan.ucs.mun.ca

Can't think of a better or more deserving place for them, maybe these kids will grow up to appreciate computers as wonderful tools rather than the 'appliances' the industry would try to push on us. At 12:54 PM 16/09/97 -0500, you wrote: >at least they werent trashed. > >---------- >> From: John David Rose <chernoff(a)hargray.com> >> To: thedm(a)sunflower.com >> Cc: quantum(a)telis.org; ;;;jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com;; >;;;jbcole(a)ix.netcom.com;; ;;;towad(a)aol.com;; ;;;Zhiyuan(a)world.net.att.net;; >;;;Yertzell(a)worldnet.att.net;; ;;;warpig(a)mindspring.com;; >;;;peterb(a)revealed.net;; ;;;jac(a)openix.com;; ;;;glee(a)millcomm.com;; >;;;MichaelGoe(a)aol.com;; ;;;gmast(a)polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu;; >;;;shack(a)frii.com;; ;;;tnguyen(a)UDel.Edu;; ;;;bucho(a)magpage.com; >> Subject: No more Free Apple ///s >> Date: Tuesday, September 16, 1997 12:50 PM >> >> Thank you for your response and interest in the Apple ///s. We received >an >> immediate response from a school for disadvantaged youngsters within an >> hours drive of our office. They have already come and picked up the >gear, >> and they have a greatly experienced computer guy to help them set them >up. >> Sorry, but great for them. >> >> JD ---------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________Live from the GLRS The Man From D.A.D ----------------------------------------------------------------

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MV-II or PDP?

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

You wrote... >I have just got a 'new' computer over the weekend. It was advertised as >a MicroVAX II with 2xRA81, 8Mb, and tape drive. >It has VMS 5.x on one of the RA81s and Ultrix on the other. It looks >like the picture in the Digital manuals of a MicroVAX II 630 (tall rack >unit with RA81 at top and bottom with the processor modules in between), >however it was only when I got it home that I saw the badge above the >On/Off switch which says "Digital PDP11/83". <snip> It's a MicroVAX II. MicroPDP's cannot boot or run VMS (that I know of) due to a different CPU. What's most likely happened is, somewhere along the line, somebody had a PDP-11/83 in that box, then pulled out the CPU and memory cards and replaced them with MicroVAX equivalents. You can easily do this, as the box, power supply, and backplane are compatible with either CPU. As an example: If I were to pull some spare 11/73 cards out of my stash, and replace the MV-II boards in my VAXStation II/GPX with them, said VAXStation would suddenly become an 11/73. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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MicroVAX II or PDP 11?

by pjoules＠coleg-powys.ac.uk

I have just got a 'new' computer over the weekend. It was advertised as a MicroVAX II with 2xRA81, 8Mb, and tape drive. It has VMS 5.x on one of the RA81s and Ultrix on the other. It looks like the picture in the Digital manuals of a MicroVAX II 630 (tall rack unit with RA81 at top and bottom with the processor modules in between), however it was only when I got it home that I saw the badge above the On/Off switch which says "Digital PDP11/83". When VMS starts it says VAX/VMS Version 5.x (can't remember the minor version number) and when Ultrix starts it reports that it is running on: MicroVAX II with FPU What have I got? By the way, the date stamped on all of the cases and labels is in 1988 if that helps. Can anyone tell me anything about it? -- Regards Pete #include <std_disclaimer>

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Rescue needed!!!

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Do we have someone in the Carolinas that can contact this person and get these, I would LOVE one. I have emailed him saying will wil try to get someone out. But I havent heard a response. Bill G. Subject: Apple ///s FREE! From: chernoff(a)hargray.com (John David Rose) Date: 1997/09/15 Message-Id: <chernoff-1509971002150001(a)dial-08.r8.scptvl.infoave.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.usergroups [More Headers] We have five working, plus two for parts, Apple /// computers, complete with all utility disks, drivers, documentation, Cobol, Pascall, Basic, Word Juggler, Visicalc, Micro-Terminal programs, plus back-issues of "On-Three" magazine, plus three working impact printers. We hate to throw working equipment away. Can some computer tech school, lab, anyone take these off our hands before we simply have to junk them? Located in South Carolina. Send E mail message of interest to J.D. Rose at chernoff(a)hargray.com. thanks

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Info wanted, Congruent/Uniys machines

by thedm＠sunflower.com

It should be Convergent, Sperry, or Unisys. these boxes run CTOS/BTOS a VERY prioparatary OS that the only this series uses. If you need any help, I'll try, it's been 5 years since I touched one, but I used to run a 600 user network of them. ---------- > From: Alan Richards <alanr(a)morgan.ucs.mun.ca> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Info wanted, Congruent/Uniys machines > Date: Monday, September 15, 1997 11:08 PM > > At 07:12 PM 15/09/97 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi, > > I have a couple of systems given to me by an accountant friend. They > >bear a > >"Congruent" name plate, but the actual name on the S/N - Model # plate, > >is > >Unisys. At least one of them is a model CJ-5330-A12. While he was using > > > "Congruent"? I know Unisys aquired "Convergent" (in '88 i think) but I've > never heard of "Congruent". How old are these systems? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > ______________________________________________Live from the GLRS > The Man From D.A.D > ----------------------------------------------------------------

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Buy and Sell Antiques and Collectib

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 07:32 PM 9/13/97 -0400, you wrote: >what the heck is this? i hope i dont have to see spam on this list! Yep, you guessed it, it's spam. > has opened its site at: http://www.acaonline.com. Best thing to do is avoid this site. If you really want to, spread a rumour saying they're crooked. > If you wish to be removed from this advertiser's future mailings, please If a reply actually reaches a valid address, you may indeed be removed from *this* advertiser's mailings. However, you will have provided the spam facilitator with a valid address for his other customers... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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FT: DEC Rainbow 100, printers

by sinasohn＠crl.com

I picked up two DEC rainbow 100's and I only need one (actually, I don't need either, but I'm keeping one anyway. Love them disk drives!) This is a desktop unit with a really cute monitor/keyboard. Dunno if they work, but you can have your choice. So, anyone have anything they want to trade for one? Portables preferred... Also, I got a Kaypro printer (Daisywheel, I think) and a DEC printer that looks like a typewriter without the keys. (I'd go look at it to get the model, but I'm supposed to be working... 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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sorry about foulup

by davidv＠cs.mun.ca

just sent personal reply to group, and would like to apologize to all members of the listserv. Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Vincent davidv(a)ganymede.cs.mun.ca -------------------------------------------------------------------------

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[?? Name of 70's toy computer]

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

At 07:19 AM 9/15/97 -0700, you wrote: > >Here's one from the past: >What is the name of that toy mechanical digital computer >that was advertised in the back of many magazines and >catalogs like Edmunds Scientific and other tech hobby ones, >I believe in the early 70's. It was the size of a shoebox, >came unassembled, and had lots of moving parts. Sorry, >that's all I remember. But I think I saw one in the >Computer Museum in Boston several years ago. That would be the "DigiComp-1". Red plastic with slices of soda straws that you slip over tabs to "load" a program. Had one, lost it, would love to have one again... -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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Vintage Computer Festival Passes

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 08:51 PM 9/11/97 -0700, you wrote: >> > faces with names! Anyone up for a dinner get together Saturday night? > I am totally unfamilar with the area but I am sure we can find a place to >eat. My preference would be someplace reasonable quiet so conversation is >possible :). The VCF is in Pleasanton, about 25-30 miles east-southeast of San Francisco. Roughly at the intersection of Hwys 580 & 680. As to where to eat, there's a Black Angus there which is a (chain) steakhouse that's pretty good. My no-red-meat-girlfriend likes 'em. It may be noisy though, as some are meet markets on the weekends with dance floors and such. (There's also the Cadillac Ranch nearby, which is really loud, but is good for C/W line dancing.) I'm sure others (who are more local) can point out good places. (For SF, check out my list at: <http://www.crl.com/restrant.com>) Anyway, I'd be interested in dinner. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Lisa 2/5 Startup Problems

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

Hi, I just got a terrific addition to my collection of Apple computers. One slight problem though, either I'm doing something wrong, or else there is something wrong with it. Cosmetically it looks to be in good shape, the only thing I really notice on that mark is someone apparently tried to manually eject a floppy with something other than a paperclip. Opening up the case I saw one problem the four batteries need replacement, and are starting to corrode. Any idea's on where replacements can be found? The button above the keyboard jack doesn't seem to function properly, it lights up, but I can't turn the computer off using it, it simply resets it. I power it up with the Profile drive powered up and connected. It comes up and passes the diagnostics just fine, nice crisp, bright display. It then looks for a boot device, can't find it, and asks where to look or restart. I go to the menu to tell it where to look, and it fails to find it. However, if I go to the menu, and let it sit for a little while the light comes on solid on the profile drive. I can then tell it to start from that disk, then the screen goes dark, the profile disk whirrs a couple times (the disk is nice and quite, moreso than a lot of more modern drives). At this point it just sits there. I've left it in this state for several minutes, nothing. Even pressing the power button above the keyboard jack has no results (is this supposed to do anything?). If I press the reset button on the back, it reboots to the can't find startup device screen. Are there disk images of the boot disks available anywhere? I gather there is a program on the Apple site ftp://mirror.apple.com/mirrors/info-mac/disk/dart-153.hqx that will let you create them, but I haven't had any luck searching. I would almost assume they are on a Apple server somewhere since pre-System 7.1 MacOS, and the OS for the Apple II is there. Thanks for your time, Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Mac Programmer | +----------------------------------+---------------------------+ | For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |

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Info wanted, Congruent/Uniys machines

by davidv＠cs.mun.ca

hmmm... got me At 02:08 AM 9/16/97 -0200, you wrote: >At 07:12 PM 15/09/97 -0400, you wrote: >>Hi, >> I have a couple of systems given to me by an accountant friend. They >>bear a >>"Congruent" name plate, but the actual name on the S/N - Model # plate, >>is >>Unisys. At least one of them is a model CJ-5330-A12. While he was using > > > "Congruent"? I know Unisys aquired "Convergent" (in '88 i think) but I've >never heard of "Congruent". How old are these systems? > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >______________________________________________Live from the GLRS > The Man From D.A.D >---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Vincent davidv(a)ganymede.cs.mun.ca -------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Time to part with part of the collection

by jruschme＠exit109.com

Gang, Our bid on a new house has been accepted and my wife and I have started the task of packing. In reviewing my own computer collection, it looks like it's time to part with a few pieces which are redundant or for which I really don't have the time anymore. Therefore, the following are free to a good home: 1. Perkin-Elmer (Concurrent) 7350, 2MB RAM, 320K floppy, 30MB HD, KB, mono monitor. This is a 68000-based Unix box, often used for instrument control. Runs IDRIS, Uniplus SystemIII, and/or MicroXELOS (Uniplus-derived SVR2) (currently installed). Comes with copious manuals (including service docs), OS disks (plus extra copies), and some applications software. 2. AT&T 3B2/310, 4MB RAM, 2x72MB HD, floppy. Includes EPORTS, tape, SCSI, and Ethernet cards. Also have additional tape and PORTS cards. Comes with full set of manuals adn OS diskettes. 3. Zenith Z-89. 64K RAM, hard-sector disk controller. 4. Apple //c (ROM 255). 128K RAM, includes power brick. 5. TRS-80 Model III. 48K, 2 floppies (may need speed adjustment), serial card installed. Works, but not the prettiest Model III. 6. TRS-80 Color Computer 2 (older version). 64K, Extended Color Basic. Works, but again not the prettiest. 7. Dead Compaq Portable (original). Motherboard dead, some sort of problem with power supply. KB and video find. Includes Video, Printer, and HD controller cards. Also includes all case pieces. May be useful for someone attempting to restore one. I'm located in Central New Jersey. I'd prefer not to have to ship, but will do so if someone is will ing to pay. For obvious reasons, the Perkin-Elmer and AT&T may be too much to ship. <<<John>>>

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Info wanted, Congruent/Uniys machines

by alanr＠morgan.ucs.mun.ca

At 07:12 PM 15/09/97 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, > I have a couple of systems given to me by an accountant friend. They >bear a >"Congruent" name plate, but the actual name on the S/N - Model # plate, >is >Unisys. At least one of them is a model CJ-5330-A12. While he was using "Congruent"? I know Unisys aquired "Convergent" (in '88 i think) but I've never heard of "Congruent". How old are these systems? ---------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________Live from the GLRS The Man From D.A.D ----------------------------------------------------------------

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Painting/Re-finishing computer cases...

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 08:26 PM 9/12/97 -0800, you wrote: > Thinking about it this is a cool topic for discussion, has anyone >re-painted their computer cases and what tips/suggestions do you have >for us or what should we avoid (also got any good color schemes?). (I >have a few 64s lying around that would look neat with a custom paint >job, since they are plastic, what do you suggest? There was someone on the m100 mailing list who took his m100 apart and spray painted the case. A neat idea (except he broke his screen while putting it back together.) It's something I'd like to do one of these days, if I get a spare 100. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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KMW Batch Protocol Converters

by sinasohn＠crl.com

Anyone know what these are? Best I can figure is they're maybe remote terminal servers for IBM 3278's or something? Anyway, I've got two of them, and I'm not sure I want to keep them. Anyone interested? --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Info wanted, Congruent/Uniys machines

by wpe＠interserv.com

Hi, I have a couple of systems given to me by an accountant friend. They bear a "Congruent" name plate, but the actual name on the S/N - Model # plate, is Unisys. At least one of them is a model CJ-5330-A12. While he was using these, he was running an operating system called C-TIX which is supposedly strictly for accounting type applications, and, he claims, this is the only OS that will run on these. Anybody know any thing about these. This C-TIX looks alot like UNIX as far as OS commands... But... Any help anyone can give me on this, is more than greatly appreciated. AdvaTHANKSnce! Will -- Sorry to have to resort to this, but, due to the myriad of automatic e-mail advertising ("SPAMming") programs out there, I've been forced to modify my "reply to" address. To reply to this message, you must remove the .spamfree from the reply-to address. To those friends, and folks who are trying to contact me with info that I will likely be happy to receive, I apologze for this inconvienence. To those out there, sending all these annoying "junk mail" messages, I say "Oh well...." Will

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Vintage Computer Festival

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

I would love to attend the festival but I have used up all my vacation for the year. If can borrow from the next I will travel from MN to CA for it. At 02:21 AM 9/15/97 -0700, you wrote: > >This request goes out to anyone who maintains a classic/antique/vintage >computer web page. > >Could I get you to add a link from your page to the Vintage Computer >Festival web page (URL below)? In return, I will list your page in the >links section of the VCF web page. > >Please reply directly to me if you are interested in helping me out. > > >Also, could I get a rough show of hands of those who are interested in >attending the Vintage Computer Festival? I'm trying to get an idea of >what the interest level is among fellow collectors for this type of >show. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Also, your comments >and suggestions are welcome. Thanks! > > > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass > > Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! > > >

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Computer warehouse liquidation

by pdp-11＠juno.com

As owner of a DEC PDP-11/23+ system, I know how difficult it can be to find hardware for older PDP-11's, as well as non-DEC computers and parts.. I'd like to inform you that I've found a terrific source in Utah for used computer hardware including DEC related items. This person has a 2400 sq ft warehouse (about 3 semi truck loads) quite literally brimming with computer hardware which has been collected and stored over the past 10 years. He is currently in the process of liquidating it at very, very low prices. Tons of miscellaneous computer equipment is available, much of which was manufactured by DEC. It would be impossible to list even a fraction of what he has available, but he has told me that his inventory includes approximately 1000 Q-Bus and Unibus boards, plus peripheral devices such as disk and tape drives. I've not been to the warehouse in person yet, but I will be visiting the site in about 2 weeks time from now. If interested, you should be aware that he is in the process of getting rid of EVERYTHING! It sounds like it will all be gone in the next 3 to 4 weeks. Opportunities like this very seldom come along, so please contact me via email if you are interested in finding out more. I'll be happy to forward to you, any needed information that I can. Please feel free to forward this notice to anyone you think might be interested. Best regards.

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Vintage Computer Festival

by dastar＠crl.com

This request goes out to anyone who maintains a classic/antique/vintage computer web page. Could I get you to add a link from your page to the Vintage Computer Festival web page (URL below)? In return, I will list your page in the links section of the VCF web page. Please reply directly to me if you are interested in helping me out. Also, could I get a rough show of hands of those who are interested in attending the Vintage Computer Festival? I'm trying to get an idea of what the interest level is among fellow collectors for this type of show. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Also, your comments and suggestions are welcome. Thanks! Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

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discussion recollecting of classic computers

by 1439pipe＠inet.westshore.cc.mi.us

hey ill take them all how much for shipping

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PET FAQ On-Line...

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

After many months of hard-procrastination I have finally put my PET FAQ on-line. Those of you interested can check it out directly by going to: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/petfaq.html or you can check out the FAQ as well as my other Commodor 8-bit www pages by going to the url below. Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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Buy and Sell Antiques and Collectib

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

what the heck is this? i hope i dont have to see spam on this list! david In a message dated 97-09-13 08:22:25 EDT, you write: << Hello, We are writing you because you appeared to be interested in antiques and collectibles and that is what we are all about, the buying and selling of antiques and collectibles in an auction environment. We are a new family oriented auction company that has opened its site at: http://www.acaonline.com. IMPORTANT: If you do NOT wish to receive future information about our company or updates, simply reply to this e-mail message with the word "delete" and please accept our apologies for the intrusion. However, if you are interested, please read on and "Enter our World". Whether you are a BUYER or SELLER we invite you to join the fun. BUYERS Our service is ABSOLUTELY FREE for buyers. Come and register with us and have fun bidding online. We give you the feel of a real auction! Current auctions include: Hummels, Lladro, Clocks, Advertising Tins & Signs, Pottery, China, Depression Glass, Civil War and other photography, Elegant Glassware, Hallmark, Precious Moments, Tools, Cookie Jars, Jewelry and much more. SELLERS This is not only a great opportunity to sell your items, but to advertise YOUR WEB SITE. Whenever you post an item up for auction on ACA Online, you can put a link in the items description area that points back to your page. That's FREE advertising for you! We welcome any comments and suggestions. Thank you for taking the time to read our information! ********************************************************** Click here now to visit us: http://www.acaonline.com ********************************************************** ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// / If you wish to be removed from this advertiser's future mailings, please reply with the subject "Remove" and this software will automatically block you from their future mailings. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// // >>

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Painting/Re-finishing computer cases...

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

> > "Hammertone" finish has been popular on electronic equipment going back > > to the 1910's, at least. (Earlier stuff often used a far more > > extreme "wrinkle" finish.) Not only does it reduce glare off an > > instrument's surface, but it also hides small manufacturing defects > > a lot better, too :-) > > Wrinkle finishes seem to have mostly died out near 1960 or so. The only > (production) computer I have seen in wrinkle finish is the outer case of a > Packard Bell 250. Yea but wrinkle still looks cool, it's just not as tough. Mostly 50's stuff. Hammertone is easy to do also. It's available in spray or regular cans (which I spray). The formula has been changed to meet newer standards but it looks good and is easy to apply. I even matched the color on some 50's gumball machines I restored a few years ago. They're on my web page. > The textured finish found on more modern stuff (sometimes called a > splatter finish, as the first coat is splattered on with a purposely > crummy airbrush setup) can be restored quite easily, unlike wrinkle > finishes. For small (or big, if you are patient) bare spots, all one must > do is match the color of the paint at the paint shop, then manually apply > the texture with a toothpick or swab. For larger jobs, you could try a > badly done airbrush job. After the texture has dried, a smooth coat is > then applied to cover the whole repair and blend the new and existing > paint (an airbrush is a must for this job). The color will match, but most > likely the new paint will be duller than the old paint. This may be > acceptable to some, but if not, the new paint can be slowly buffed to the > proper sheen. We used to touch up that type of finish at work (way back in the 70's, yikes!). We used a piece of sponge or foam rubber and dabbed it on. That can help blend it in and minimize mismatch. Worked great. Toothpicks, etc work fine for smaller areas. The trick is to match the color or it'll stand out like a sore thumb. The glossiness can also affect the job. Buffing is hard to do because of the texture. Maybe I'm getting too picky here but you get the idea. They do make splatter guns and there are always the commercial coatings guys that can do it but that could be expensive. I'd say if you want it matched, take it down to the auto paint shop and have them match the color. Ask if they can match the glossiness (??) and if they can't, buy some additive and do it yourself. Probably easier to find something close and spray the whole thing. The "crummy airbrush setup" might work but it'll take some time. I find that learning the process and doing the job is the best part of the whole thing. Greg http://www.calpoly.edu/~gmast/

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