- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> Sorry, folks. I've been asking around about what a System/74 is. I looked, > and it's really a System/34. Could someone tell me what they were for, how > much they were sold for, what year they are, what they're worth now, etc,etc. > Thanks. I used a System'34 when I worked for IBM in 1985-86. It was old then - late '70s?. I seem to remember about 224K of RAM, possibly 256MB of hard disk. There were a number of posts on this subject on this list in late September - start with the thread on IBM 5120 on 18th. I would be very sad to see such a system vanish - I have a certain affection for it after discovering that I - the newest student - knew more about system/34s than anyone else in the building (this wasn't much - the building housed two marketing units). If you - or someone - do manage to acquire this sys/34, I may have some spare copies of one or two pocket quick reference guides I could send you. I'm pretty sure I've got OCL pocket reference (about 1/2 inch thick) and I may have the Assembler pocket reference. Finally, where is this machine? If it is in England or Wales I might consider acquiring it myself... Philip.

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Qume

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

Thanks for the tips! I had found something that I suspected was an optical sensor, but wasn't too sure. And cleaning it out as best I could didn't change anything. Of course, I couldn't get at the thing very well. And, as Tony pointed out, common-sense wiring of the thing would mean the problem couldn't have been just a dirty lens. The good news is that I have a working drive to compare against, so tracing the problem shouldn't be that hard. Maybe this weekend... ] Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:28:14 +0000 (GMT) ] From: Tony Duell <ard(a)odin.phy.bris.ac.uk> ] Subject: Re: Qume? ] ] On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, Bill Yakowenko wrote: blah, blah, blah... ] Lots of useful bits deleted... ] ] ... It shouldn't be too hard to trace the signal from the ] phototransistor to the Trk00 pin through the logic chips, though. You'd think so. The last time I tried fixing these drives (a couple years ago) I was trying to work backwards from the select LED. Had big problems tracing the circuit because the traces go under chips, and often turn corners under there, so you can't see which ones go where. And I was paranoid about using a continuity-checker for fear of putting voltage someplace where it could do damage. (Was that being excessive?) On the other hand, it should be trivial to measure voltage of the Trk00 signal at the connector, and see if it was getting that far. Divide and conquer - the first secret of debugging. ] ] -tony ] Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:05:15 -0800 (PST) ] From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> ] Subject: Re: Qume? ] ] > ...got service manuals?... ] ] I wish I did. What model do you have? I'm looking for manuals ] for the Qume Datatrack 8 (DSDD, full-height.) They are DT/8's, full height, I think DSDD (a megabyte per floppy). ] But lacking a manual, you still can trace the circuitry by hand; ] it's all SSI TTL, discrete components, and a couple of simple ] analog chips. Yup. Sounds easy. If I wasn't so @#!% paranoid with the meter. ] ] Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca) ] Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 17:33:51 +0000 (GMT) ] From: Tony Duell <ard(a)odin.phy.bris.ac.uk> ] Subject: Re: Qume? ] ... ] Still blowing dust out of the sensor can't do any harm, and it's something ] that I'd do first anyway, as it can't help the problem. ] Will try it again, disassembling the thing if necessary to get access. ] ] -tony Thanks guys! Bill.

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FWD: FREE to good home: IBM RT 6150s

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

I'm open for it, anyone else ? At 11:14 PM 11/11/97 -0500, you wrote: >I'd like to snag one of those as well. Any chance of doing some sort of coordinated roadtrip with folks meeting in a central place for distribution? > >-- Tony Eros > Digital Equipment Corporation > >---------- >From: John R. Keys Jr.[SMTP:jrkeys@concentric.net] >Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 1997 7:44 PM >To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers >Subject: Re: FWD: FREE to good home: IBM RT 6150s > >If no one close want them I could drive from Minnesota to your home a >meeting place close to the IL border one of these weekends before snow hits. >John >At 09:16 PM 11/10/97 -0500, you wrote: >>Found the following on comp.sys.ibm.pc.rt >>Anybody near him wanna rescue these machines. >> >>I acquired one about a month ago here in Indiana, along >>with a fairly complete set of books and disks. Mine has >>two ESDI drives (300mb & 110mb) and loaded with >>AIX 2.2. It's a tower case about 24" x 24" x 9". >>If I remember the front panel says System 135. >> >>Mike Thompson >> >>================================================== >>Subject: FREE to good home: IBM RT 6150s >>From: Bill Bradford <mrbill(a)texas.net> >>Date: Sun, Nov 9, 1997 20:52 EST >>Message-id: <645pd8$cbc$1(a)news3.texas.net> >> >>I recently acquired this whole bunch, with the intention of getting >>at least a couple of them reloaded and working; however, I've now >>got plans to move soon, and cant afford to move these machines. I'd >>like to see them go to a good home; so they're free to the first >>person to come pick them up. >> >>System Configurations: (6 systems) >> EAP processors (16mb RAM each) >> dual ESDI hard drives (unknown size) >> SIIG ISA-bus I/O cards >> Graphic cards with 6153 mono monitors >> Ethernet (AUI / 10base2) cards >> ESDI controller cards >> >>The other system only has the HDs and ESDI controller card (no CPU card >> or other cards). Also, one of the above systems is lacking the 1.2mb >>floppy drive; it may be the same system that is lacking a CPU card. >> >>I beleive 3 or 4 of the machines also have tape drive controller >>cards; and I have three external IBM QIC tape drives to go with them. >>I've also got a 15" monochrome IBM monitor that has a DB9 data cable >>connector. >> >>I've got some manuals (User's manual, problem determination guide, and >>2-3 others) in the IBM binders. >> >>Systems are located in Austin, Texas. You'll need a good-sized pickup >>truck or van to haul all of them away. If you're interested, let me know. >>It sucks to let these go, but I cant afford to move them along with my >>other computer equipment. >> >>I can be reached at mrbill(a)texas.net. >> >>-- >>Bill Bradford Sr. Systems Engineer ICQ: 1864511 >>mrbill(a)texas.net Texas Networking, Inc. http://www.texas.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >

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Encore Computer Infinity 90 System

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

Anybody know what it is? There's one up for grabs in OK, by US govt. auction. Here's a URL; dork around with it to find related info: http://www.drms.dla.mil/drmo/sales/misc/SY3AFB20377002A157-1.html Looks pretty cool, but it's a thousand or two miles from here... Bill.

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866 lbs

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

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Need Info: Sick PDP-8/f (Diode)

by mcquiggi＠sfu.ca

Hi Allison: > <> Your best bet is the 1N914 silicon diode. The one your replacing is likel > <> not germainium. 1n914s are available from many sources (even radio crap > <> for a few cents a peice. > > Trust me they are not caps, the part someone described would come into > common use about 5-8 years later! To tell if they are diodes an > ohmeter(VOM) and check for resistance one way and open circuit the other. > No resistance in either direction is a cap! I spoke with a fellow who has a print set for the board, he indicated that there are no diodes on the board at all. There are, however, quite a few bypass caps shown on the schematic. My glass devices are all in parallel, each associated to a particular, IC, and are grounded on the other lead. I will have to remove an intact one to check resistance and determine what they are. Thanks for the reply, Kevin -- Kevin McQuiggin VE7ZD mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca

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HD Floppies in DD Drives

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 05:45 PM 11/10/97 +0000, you wrote: >> (i.e., not looked for) the software to do it. Can someone recommend a PC >> program to read 5.25" (and 3.5"?) diskettes and make images of them? >There is... look into the simtel site and d/l several of them to try >out. Some are DOS, win3.x and win95. >I prefer to archive all of my disks to that dos based imager. I like DOS best too. I'll check it out. Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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System/34

by Zeus334＠aol.com

Sorry, folks. I've been asking around about what a System/74 is. I looked, and it's really a System/34. Could someone tell me what they were for, how much they were sold for, what year they are, what they're worth now, etc,etc. Thanks. By the way, I may be able to get my hands on those unidentified IBM network cards, maybe I can get a couple or two. I'll also look if I can find a hub for them. There are also some PS/2s (not for sale), which used to be attached to the network, which is now ethernet. The PS/2s, however, have a weird cable that looks like the monitor power cable. It has a box on the end, about 1" X 1", that has a ton of electrodes. What is that?

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Info On PIMs wanted.

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

OK, so they weren't called that early on. But still, that's what they're called now. What I really want is something small, but powerful. (This classic is going to get USED) I have two schedule programs; MS Schedule+ and a program called Sidekick 2.0, for DOS, made in the early 90's. Compatibility would help. I also want something that's not to hard to find, and I can get for less than a Palm Pilot. (A lot less, if possible.) Thanks for all of your assistance, Tim D. Hotze

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Classic "Laptops"

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 08:47 PM 11/10/97 -0500, you wrote: >Now the $64 question. there was a tandy with a 80x4 or 80x8 I do remember >it as it was one of the few with a decent line length. Could that have been the WP-2? (m100-like word processor). I sure hope so, 'cause I could really use the $64... 8^) (Not including later PC laptops of course) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Correction (Classic "Laptops")

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

Earlier this week I wrote: > I wonder. A few weeks ago I bought for L1 at a car boot sale a device > called a Microscribe 320. (Made by a Welsh company, Microscribe Ltd., > but sold with a British Telecom badge.) This is a sub-notebook (7 in > square) terminal with built in text editor, 32K battery backed RAM and > 40 x 8 character display. Before you all jump on me, yes, I know it was > built circa 1983. It is a very nice machine, the only thing wrong with Further investigation shows that my estimate of 1983 was incorrect. The design of the model 320 dates from around 1985, and mine appears to have been built early in 1988. Just to keep the record straight. Philip.

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Classic "Laptops"

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 07:07 PM 11/10/97 -0500, you wrote: >>Actually, the 102 has the same size screen as the 100. Perhaps you're >>thinking of the 200? The 200 is a clamshell design (iirc) with 24x80 >>screen. The 102 was simply a lighter, cheaper-to-make version of the 100. > >Wha? Whoa! Mmmmmm, noper. The 200's screen had only twice the real estate >of the M100 -- it has a 40x16 screen. Yes it was a flip-top which was nice Whups! Sorry. Us po' kids from the big city couldn't never afford none o' dem fancy machineries. 8^) Don't know that I've ever seen a 200 (let alone a 600) in the flesh. One of these days... >(Get this -- the two halves are kept together during transit by *magnets*) Hmmm...doesn't sound like such a great idea, but i guess since it doesn't have a floppy drive... P.S., has there been any messages on the m100 list? I've not gotten any since you signed me up. Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Anyone have a used copy of this book?

by rcini＠email.msn.com

I'm looking for the following book. Does anyone have it? Amazon wants $80+ for it (I think that it's more of a text book than anything else). Thanks! Title: "An Introduction to the Intel Family of Microprocessors: A Hands-on Approach to Utilizing the 8088 Microprocessor" by James L. Antonakos. There are two publishing dates: 1992 and 1996. Rich Cini/WUGNET Charter ClubWin! Member MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking

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FWD: FREE to good home: IBM RT 6150s

by Anthony.Eros＠digital.com

I'd like to snag one of those as well. Any chance of doing some sort of coordinated roadtrip with folks meeting in a central place for distribution? -- Tony Eros Digital Equipment Corporation ---------- From: John R. Keys Jr.[SMTP:jrkeys@concentric.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 1997 7:44 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Re: FWD: FREE to good home: IBM RT 6150s If no one close want them I could drive from Minnesota to your home a meeting place close to the IL border one of these weekends before snow hits. John At 09:16 PM 11/10/97 -0500, you wrote: >Found the following on comp.sys.ibm.pc.rt >Anybody near him wanna rescue these machines. > >I acquired one about a month ago here in Indiana, along >with a fairly complete set of books and disks. Mine has >two ESDI drives (300mb & 110mb) and loaded with >AIX 2.2. It's a tower case about 24" x 24" x 9". >If I remember the front panel says System 135. > >Mike Thompson > >================================================== >Subject: FREE to good home: IBM RT 6150s >From: Bill Bradford <mrbill(a)texas.net> >Date: Sun, Nov 9, 1997 20:52 EST >Message-id: <645pd8$cbc$1(a)news3.texas.net> > >I recently acquired this whole bunch, with the intention of getting >at least a couple of them reloaded and working; however, I've now >got plans to move soon, and cant afford to move these machines. I'd >like to see them go to a good home; so they're free to the first >person to come pick them up. > >System Configurations: (6 systems) > EAP processors (16mb RAM each) > dual ESDI hard drives (unknown size) > SIIG ISA-bus I/O cards > Graphic cards with 6153 mono monitors > Ethernet (AUI / 10base2) cards > ESDI controller cards > >The other system only has the HDs and ESDI controller card (no CPU card > or other cards). Also, one of the above systems is lacking the 1.2mb >floppy drive; it may be the same system that is lacking a CPU card. > >I beleive 3 or 4 of the machines also have tape drive controller >cards; and I have three external IBM QIC tape drives to go with them. >I've also got a 15" monochrome IBM monitor that has a DB9 data cable >connector. > >I've got some manuals (User's manual, problem determination guide, and >2-3 others) in the IBM binders. > >Systems are located in Austin, Texas. You'll need a good-sized pickup >truck or van to haul all of them away. If you're interested, let me know. >It sucks to let these go, but I cant afford to move them along with my >other computer equipment. > >I can be reached at mrbill(a)texas.net. > >-- >Bill Bradford Sr. Systems Engineer ICQ: 1864511 >mrbill(a)texas.net Texas Networking, Inc. http://www.texas.net > > > > > > > > > >

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Ohio Scientific Challenger series

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

Actually, i have a C1P model that is untested at the moment. I also have plenty of documentation which I have loaned out for copying purposes. My particular model is tan with brown sides. david In a message dated 97-11-07 12:32:24 EST, you write: > Whoops.... Try Challenger > > ========================================================= > George L. Rachor george(a)racsys.rt.rain.com > Beaverton, Oregon > > On Fri, 7 Nov 1997, George Rachor wrote: > > > Forgive me as I have just joined the list but it seems that most of the > > computer collections noted online have missed my favorite machine. > > > > My first machine was an Ohio Scientific C2-4p. I do think my most > > efficient programming was done in that 4K of RAM. > > > > I no longer have the original but do have a couple of it's brothers. The > > last of the series was painted white and had introduced color. To > > complete my collection I'd love to find either a C4 or C8 machine complete > > with Disk subsystem and software. I refuse to believe that I've got the > > only ones left. > > > > George Rachor > >

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Classic "Laptops"

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<programs) and bank-switched RAM (up to 72K?). I thought the M102 had a <40*8 display, and was simply a slimline M100 with a revised logic board <(used surface mount chips?), etc. < <If that's incorrect, what is the size of the M102 display? It was may memory that the 102 had 80x8. Allison

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Need Info: Sick PDP-8/f (Diode)

by mcquiggi＠sfu.ca

Hi All: I am working on a sick M8310 board from a PDP-8/f. I've found and removed a broken diode. It has a glass housing and resembles a germanium variety that I used to see often in my early days. The board has over a dozen diodes, all are the same. The diodes are not numbered but have three coloured bands: Orange, Black, Brown. Not having a suitable reference, any '8 owners out there that can tell me what kind of diode I should replace the broken one with? Thanks, Kevin -- Kevin McQuiggin VE7ZD mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca

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OLD hard drives and enclosure need RESCUE!

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

FW to: ClassicCmp(a)u.washington.edu CC: cyber(a)prismnet.com Can anyone give the hard drives and enclosures this fellow has a good home? The price is certainly right ($10 + shipping). What they are is two enclosures, each with a pair of Miniscribe 4022's (16 MB each, formatted) in them, and I've also been led to understand that the enclosures contain a SCSI-to-MFM bridge board. Please reply directly to the offerer. Thanks! Attachment follows. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- >X-Sender: cyber(a)prismnet.com >X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) >Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:28:02 -0600 >To: Bruce Lane <kyrrin2(a)wizards.net> >From: Tom Ray <cyber(a)prismnet.com> >Subject: Re: weird SCSI drives > >I'll take you up on that offer. I hate to throw things out. Anybody wants >them, they can have both of them for the cost of shipping via USmail plus >$10. if that's too much, let me know. Only thing is, I don't even know if >the drives work. > >tom > > > >[snip] >> In short, even if their box does contain a SCSI-to-MFM bridge board, >>they're pretty useless for much of anything current. HOWEVER -- do NOT just >>throw them out! Sell them (at no more than $20 for the whole thing) to >>someone who can give them a good home, or donate them to whatever computer >>charity is in your area. >> >> One other alternative is that I'm a member of a mailing list of folks that >>collect "classic" (read: more than 10 years old) hardware/software. Those >>drives might be just what some collector needs to get that old Osborne or >>Altair of theirs going with a good hard drive. I can, if you'd like, >>forward a 'for sale/trade' note to the list for you. If anyone's >>interested, they'd contact you directly. >> >> Best of luck, no matter what happens. >> >> >>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >>Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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FWD: FREE to good home: IBM RT 6150s

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

If no one close want them I could drive from Minnesota to your home a meeting place close to the IL border one of these weekends before snow hits. John At 09:16 PM 11/10/97 -0500, you wrote: >Found the following on comp.sys.ibm.pc.rt >Anybody near him wanna rescue these machines. > >I acquired one about a month ago here in Indiana, along >with a fairly complete set of books and disks. Mine has >two ESDI drives (300mb & 110mb) and loaded with >AIX 2.2. It's a tower case about 24" x 24" x 9". >If I remember the front panel says System 135. > >Mike Thompson > >================================================== >Subject: FREE to good home: IBM RT 6150s >From: Bill Bradford <mrbill(a)texas.net> >Date: Sun, Nov 9, 1997 20:52 EST >Message-id: <645pd8$cbc$1(a)news3.texas.net> > >I recently acquired this whole bunch, with the intention of getting >at least a couple of them reloaded and working; however, I've now >got plans to move soon, and cant afford to move these machines. I'd >like to see them go to a good home; so they're free to the first >person to come pick them up. > >System Configurations: (6 systems) > EAP processors (16mb RAM each) > dual ESDI hard drives (unknown size) > SIIG ISA-bus I/O cards > Graphic cards with 6153 mono monitors > Ethernet (AUI / 10base2) cards > ESDI controller cards > >The other system only has the HDs and ESDI controller card (no CPU card > or other cards). Also, one of the above systems is lacking the 1.2mb >floppy drive; it may be the same system that is lacking a CPU card. > >I beleive 3 or 4 of the machines also have tape drive controller >cards; and I have three external IBM QIC tape drives to go with them. >I've also got a 15" monochrome IBM monitor that has a DB9 data cable >connector. > >I've got some manuals (User's manual, problem determination guide, and >2-3 others) in the IBM binders. > >Systems are located in Austin, Texas. You'll need a good-sized pickup >truck or van to haul all of them away. If you're interested, let me know. >It sucks to let these go, but I cant afford to move them along with my >other computer equipment. > >I can be reached at mrbill(a)texas.net. > >-- >Bill Bradford Sr. Systems Engineer ICQ: 1864511 >mrbill(a)texas.net Texas Networking, Inc. http://www.texas.net > > > > > > > > > >

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Varian 620/i information and software wanted

by hansp＠columbia.digiweb.com

I spent a most enjoyable day today writing an emulator for the varian 620/i processor. I have a few questions about the handling of the overflow flag if anyone can help. Also does anyone have any software for the beastie? What happend to the Varian computer division? Regards, -- Hans B. Pufal : <mailto:hansp@digiweb.com> Comprehensive Computer Catalogue : <http://www.digiweb.com/~hansp/ccc/> _-_-__-___--_-____-_--_-_-____--_---_-_---_--__--_--_--____---_--_--__--_

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HD Floppies in DD Drives

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 08:43 AM 11/9/97 -0600, you wrote: >Here's a silly question, but one I've never understood: Not that silly; but I'm afraid I don't recall the answer. 8^) >Since some of the software for my "old" (first generation PC) computers >is on 5 1/4" disks of dubious condition, I would like to make copies I think the best way to do this is to make disk images. I know the Mac can do this with Mac disks, and I'm sure the PC can too, but I've not found (i.e., not looked for) the software to do it. Can someone recommend a PC program to read 5.25" (and 3.5"?) diskettes and make images of them? This, I think, is where syquest drives (and similar) come in *very* handy. You can store the images on a removeable disk and not bother taking up fixed disk space for them. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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11/34A PSU: Here we go again...

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

Replaced the 1.5A breaker with a 20 (One of the origionals) Now I have a 15, and a 20. The other origional one is toast, the insides were banged up. I reglued the handle to the 20. About to try this drill again... Got it! It works! Halts with BUS ERR 'cause I removed the RX controller! Now to take it in the next room and attach devices...

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34A Power Trouble. I calmed down, here's the facts...

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

Alright. It wasn't powering on because I left J3 unplugged. When I plug in J5 (4-wire plug on the line power module) everything goes. I can plug in everything else, and all I get is a relay click. I found the easy way to play with these plugs is to set the BA11 upside-down on the table, and unmount the PSU so I can get access. What is J5 for and what voltages are supposed to be there? I have an oscope here, and I may be able to dig out a VOM... It's obvious I switched wires or something in the line power module. Visual inspection shows nothing obviously wrong...

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apple rgb monitor problems

by pb14＠leicester.ac.uk

On 10 Nov 97 at 18:15, Zane H. Healy wrote: > >This really sounds like the monitor for an Apple IIgs. I have three > >such monitors. (One isn't in very good shape and the other two are > >in use.) I think there are some Macs that can use this monitor, but I'm > >not positive. Make sure you are using analog RGB, not digital. No standard Macintosh can use the Apple IIgs RGB monitor. The video port on the Mac provides a signal with a horizontal scan rate of about 35kHz -- this figure is for the Mac II; newer Macs may be higher. The Apple IIgs monitor and system video port use a scan rate of about 15.75kHz. Both IIgs and Mac systems provide analog signals. > In my opinion the LC would have been the most likely to be able to use the > monitor. The LC and IIsi were the first (non compact) Macs to have video on the main board and folks were pleased to note that, using the right cable, it was possible to hook up to a standard grotty PC VGA display. The pinouts are available in Apple's Tech Info library. > I'd heard rumors that it would, but when you think about the fact > that they'll all work with a Multisync monitor, doesn't really make sense. Lots of older computers will work with the early Multisync monitors. I've used the same Multisync on my IIgs and on a PC. I've run out of D-connectors temporarily; when I've been shopping I'll sort out the cables to attach the monitor to my (digital output) Apple III and to an LC-series Mac. Phil ************************************************************** Phil Beesley -- Computer Officer -- Distributed Systems Suppport University of Leicester Tel (0)116 252-2231 E-Mail pb14(a)le.ac.uk

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34A power problems

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

Okay, I narrowed it down some: I unplugged everything except J3, the power switch. I plugged in that edge connector to the line module, OK. Power on: loud click, but the breakers held. Next, I plugged in J5. Power on: *CRACK!* Both breakers go. The breaker on the powerstrip is holding though. What is P5 for?

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Commie & Apple stuff..

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

Just an FYI... www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P1+C220+A0+R12409+Q101422074 Old Computer Various Dell,IBM, $15/OBO, Used Description Lots of Samsung Amber monitors.Compaq 286 Deskpro, Dell and IBM 286 Plus all the Commodore and Apple stuff you could want Make Me An Offer!! Seller Info For sale by private party (713) 631-1545 [Day] billbutl(a)swbell.net Houston, Texas - Houston 77078 Post Date 09-NOV-97 Copyright ? 1996-97, Classifieds2000 Inc. All rights reserved. Send any comments, questions, or suggestions to comments(a)classifieds2000.com Employment Opportunities Disclaimer. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Computer collecting humor.

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> I believe that there are some CPU chips now with 64-bit internal buses. <> Any advance on 64? <Well I believe the HP 85 had a HP propietary CPU with 64 bits internal <running at 613 KHz That was 64bits of internal storage and that is different from a 64bit parallel CPU. Also 613khz is slow. There are otehr 64bit cpus, some are in games and other embedded systems. However the number of systems for general purpose computing using 64 bit cpus are however few. Allison

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FWD: FREE to good home: IBM RT 6150s

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

Found the following on comp.sys.ibm.pc.rt Anybody near him wanna rescue these machines. I acquired one about a month ago here in Indiana, along with a fairly complete set of books and disks. Mine has two ESDI drives (300mb & 110mb) and loaded with AIX 2.2. It's a tower case about 24" x 24" x 9". If I remember the front panel says System 135. Mike Thompson ================================================== Subject: FREE to good home: IBM RT 6150s From: Bill Bradford <mrbill(a)texas.net> Date: Sun, Nov 9, 1997 20:52 EST Message-id: <645pd8$cbc$1(a)news3.texas.net> I recently acquired this whole bunch, with the intention of getting at least a couple of them reloaded and working; however, I've now got plans to move soon, and cant afford to move these machines. I'd like to see them go to a good home; so they're free to the first person to come pick them up. System Configurations: (6 systems) EAP processors (16mb RAM each) dual ESDI hard drives (unknown size) SIIG ISA-bus I/O cards Graphic cards with 6153 mono monitors Ethernet (AUI / 10base2) cards ESDI controller cards The other system only has the HDs and ESDI controller card (no CPU card or other cards). Also, one of the above systems is lacking the 1.2mb floppy drive; it may be the same system that is lacking a CPU card. I beleive 3 or 4 of the machines also have tape drive controller cards; and I have three external IBM QIC tape drives to go with them. I've also got a 15" monochrome IBM monitor that has a DB9 data cable connector. I've got some manuals (User's manual, problem determination guide, and 2-3 others) in the IBM binders. Systems are located in Austin, Texas. You'll need a good-sized pickup truck or van to haul all of them away. If you're interested, let me know. It sucks to let these go, but I cant afford to move them along with my other computer equipment. I can be reached at mrbill(a)texas.net. -- Bill Bradford Sr. Systems Engineer ICQ: 1864511 mrbill(a)texas.net Texas Networking, Inc. http://www.texas.net

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Classic "Laptops"

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<and is very easy to read for a non-backlit screen, but 80x24's were still <few years away... Tandy got close on the Tandy 600 with 80x16, but the Yes 80x24 were a few year later but, 80x8 was PX8 (and others) and that was like a year away(1984 the latest). Now the $64 question. there was a tandy with a 80x4 or 80x8 I do remember it as it was one of the few with a decent line length. Allison

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Classic Computer Rescue Squad

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Oh yes, Tim (This could be a Tim-Tim conversation type thing!!!), that would be very nice. Well let's see, I'd have to trade in the Honda for a truck, ship it back to the US from Bahrain, drive down, and then come back. Not my idea of fun. (Sorry, I didn't mean to sound hostile) I've found 30 IBM 400 terminals for $1 a piece, in Western Massachusetts, but no mainframe. Anyway, I need systems, not parts (I need systems for the parts :-) .) But if I get the systems, I'll get the parts. I can even use the most "common" classics, I have a US postal address. Ciao, Tim D. Hotze ---------- From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Classic Computer Rescue Squad Date: Thursday, November 06, 1997 9:44 PM > Does anyone have any systems that they could sell me? Anything... all I've > got is an XT that dosn't work. Sure. Come up here with a lift-gate truck and I'll sell you all the Data General Novas, 14" disk drives, and 1/2" 9-track tape drives that you could want. Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca)

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HD Floppies in DD Drives

by gzozman＠escape.ca

Here's a silly question, but one I've never understood: Why can't a high density 5 1/4" disk be formatted in a double density drive? When I try, DOS returns a "Track 0 Bad" error message. I thought that a HD disk would simply have a denser coating of magnetic material applied evenly over the entire surface of the disk. I don't see why this should cause problems for a DD drive. However, a few questions come to mind. Is the magnetic coating of a different sensitivity, resulting in a weaker signal for the heads to pick up? Is the magnetic coating applied to the media in "tracks", causing problems when a different TPI spec is attempted on the disk? Since some of the software for my "old" (first generation PC) computers is on 5 1/4" disks of dubious condition, I would like to make copies onto new disks. Since HD disks are still readily available and cheap, I thought this would be an ideal way to do so. I also seem to have fried the 5 1/4" HD drive in my PC while sorting through some old software. It seems a couple of disks had some dirt on them which caused horrible screeching sounds when the disk was spinning, and also deposited a very hard black coating on the heads. The only way I could remove the deposits was to scratch it off with my fingernails (alcohol would not touch it). However, I must have bumped the heads out of alignment, because the drive won't read disks any longer. My question is: can I plug a Double Density drive into the same connector in my modern PC and use it for my old disks? I know I will have to change my BIOS setting, but is there anything else I need to consider? Any input on the above would be much appreciated... thanks in advance! Hope this isn't too far off topic. Grant Zozman gzozman(a)escape.ca

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CIE 680/20 Unix-like workstation

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

Spotted this, thought it might be of interest to someone... >http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P1+C220+A0+R11595+Q8671010 > > Old Computer CIE Systems 6680/20, $50/OBO, Used >> >> Description CIE 680/20 Unix-like workstation. 15 years >> old. Regulus (Unix-like) OS. 2@ 8MB hard >> drives. 0.5 MB RAM. 4-8 MHz clock speed. >> Antique? Many manuals (several hundred >> pages). 3 serial ports. Very large desktop >> unit. Works OK. $50 >> >> Seller Info For sale by private party >> >> (626) 796-5184 [Day] >> (626) 796-5184 [Eve] >> Pasadena, California - L.A. Area 91106 >> >> >> Post Date 30-OCT-97 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Classic "Laptops"

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

The 100 is used and in demand overseas, it is used by reporters in the jungles. They have a web site with address if anyone wants donate one. At 04:49 PM 11/10/97 +0000, you wrote: > > >On Mon, 10 Nov 1997 Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk wrote: >> On the subject of early laptops in general, I have heard much in praise >> of the Tandy model 100, but I like the Epson HX20 which has everything >> you could possibly want in a laptop except a decent sized screen! > >Hmmm... Having got both (and an Olivetti M10, Thorn Liberator, etc - no I >don't collect portables), IMHO the keyboard on the HX20 has a much worse >feel than that on the M100. I'd not want to type up anything long on the >HX20, whereas I took my student lecture notes on the M100 (back when the >M100 was almost current...) > >There is a video output option for the HX20. It plugs into the 'serial' >connector (a 38400 baud RS232 link), which is also used for the TF20 disk >drive. I beleive said video interface gave you CGA-like text and graphics. >I've not seen one, however, but it would solve the small-screen problem, >at least when using it at home/on your desk. > >Talking of the HX20, does anyone have a systems disk for the TF20 floppy >drive? I've got the drive and the laptop, but no boot disk, which is a >pity. > > >> >> Philip. >> >> > >-tony > > > >

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by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Yes they made them (1984)and sold for $249.95. Powered by batteries and 6k of ram. I have one in storage picked it up for $10 about 4 years ago. At 03:09 AM 11/11/97 +1030, you wrote: >A simple question - was the Texas Instruments Compact Computer - the CC-40 >- ever produced? I have some photos in a book here, and it looks neat, but >I have never heard of them and have no idea if they are available >second-hand. > >Adam. > > > >

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Old stuff

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> >> >....in my experience > >> >with IBM network cards, if they're a round (i.e. BNC) connector, > >> >they're probably the old "baseband" stuff that uses lots of coax > >>cable >and a hub/amplifier, and work only with IBM PC-LAN Program > >>and >NetBEUI....the number 2Mb/sec comes > >> >to mind.... > >> Are we talking about Arcnet here? When I think 2Mb/sec, BNC > >>connector, and 8-bit bus, I think Arcnet, but there may have been > >others.... If the cards are _branded_ IBM, chances are well over > >ten to one that they are > >Token Ring. IBM never touched Arcnet, and was hesitant about > >Ethernet. -- > >Ward Griffiths > > If any of those network cards ARE token-ring and have BNC connectors, I > would love to buy a couple. I got an old Token ring MAU several years ago > that has BNC ports and would like to try it out. Can't tell you how many > people have flat out denied that Token Ring was ever carried over coax! > But the existence of the MAU is proof enough that at one time it was done. Wow. I must admit, I thought that token ring required too many wires for co-ax. Or was the 4-wire connection replaced by coax in, coax out? Seriously, if it's IBM and co-ax I'd guess at SNA (Systems Network Architecture - the famous 3270 series terminals and related devices). This was not a PC network architecture at all - it was a loads-of- terminals-into-the-mainframe architecture - and the card would have come with terminal emulator software. BTW, did anyone discover what the IBM System/74 was? The description sounded more like a system/34 to me, and I certainly never heard of the 74 when I worked at IBM. Philip.

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Fudge! I fudged it up! 34A PSU problems.

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

Okay, I found a plug I forgot to attach. I plugged it in, switched it on, and the breakers went POP! Nothing burned, no hot smell... Time to start rechecking things!

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Classic "Laptops"

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 12:04 PM 11/10/97 -0500, you wrote: >Tandy improved the 100 with the 102 which has a lager screen. Actually, the 102 has the same size screen as the 100. Perhaps you're thinking of the 200? The 200 is a clamshell design (iirc) with 24x80 screen. The 102 was simply a lighter, cheaper-to-make version of the 100. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Old Magazines, was (Building A Computer from Scratch Squad)

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Hotze asked: >PS-Does anyone know where I can get old PC Mag issues? Or any other major >magazine? It's funny that you ask this. My wife's uncle just gave me issue #1 of PC World and issues 2 and 3 of PC Magazine. I'd really like to get my hands on PCMag issue #1! He also gave me a late-model original PC *with* theexpansion box (which I understand is a relatively rare item). Anyway, he was a sales rep for IBM for the PC product, and he kept all sorts of stuff in his attic. I guess that every summer, his wife makes him clean up a little more. I'd say go to garage sales, or put an add in the local newspaper. There's a juy who advertises every month in Nuts & Volts, that he collects pre-1980 equipment, mags, etc. Maybe try the same. Anyway, who knows what else he has up there. I've asked him to save a copy of the IBM songbook for me <g>. Rich Cini/WUGNET <rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin! Charter Member (6) - MCP Windows 95/Networking

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I finally replaced the switches in the 34A, and Guess What! It's , dead!

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

No reaction to the power whatsoever. Yes, it is plugged in! What did I do wrong? I got all the connections to the switches back in order, it doesn't pop either breaker, just no reaction. Anything in particular I could have missed? WHat's the result of getting that edge connector on upside-down?

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Classic Computer Rescue Squad

by adam＠merlin.net.au

><Now for what Allison was waiting for - a mention of Honeywell :-) When ><FTS went bust, they sold the design of the series-86 to Honeywell-Bull, ><who marketed it as the Microsystem Executive. Needless to say it died Can you describe the Microsystem Executive? I have a Honeywell Microsystem 6, but no details about it. It is about 2 feet high, by 1.5 feet deep and 1 foot wide, finished in black and white. (The plastic front and back is black, while the metal case is white). It's a very big beast for a micro, and runs but a single terminal. Adam.

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Classic "Laptops"

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 03:09 AM 11/11/97 +1030, you wrote: >A simple question - was the Texas Instruments Compact Computer - the CC-40 >- ever produced? I have some photos in a book here, and it looks neat, but Yep. I've got one. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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DEC Rainbow

by manney＠nwohio.com

DOS or CP/M? manney(a)nwohio.com > I just bought a DEC Rainbow, does anyone have any idea where I can get a >boot disk for it? > > Thanks > Charlie Fox > > >

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Finds & Questions

by manney＠nwohio.com

>HP 75D with 9114 disk drive -- $25 > >My questions concern this last one. The computer itself is about 5" deep by >10" wide by about an inch thick. It has room for three expansion modules >(has two: "Barcode Reader" and "HP 75 I/O") and four connectors on the rear. >Two are in and out to the 9114, one is power (I'm pretty sure) but I'm not >sure about the last. Perhaps input for the barcode wand? What does the mystery connector look like? manney(a)nwohio.com

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STuff

by manney＠nwohio.com

I'm interested in the 386's...are they boards, or complete systems? manney(a)nwohio.com -----Original Message----- From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> To: Manney <Manney> Date: Friday, November 07, 1997 3:48 PM Subject: STuff >I have a bunch of wyse 60 terminals, a couple of 386's, an old printer >and various boards etc. Anyone interested. >"Janet Paganelli" <info(a)msnyc.org> > >

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Classic Computer Rescue Squad

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Now for what Allison was waiting for - a mention of Honeywell :-) When <FTS went bust, they sold the design of the series-86 to Honeywell-Bull, <who marketed it as the Microsystem Executive. Needless to say it died Actually I'm far less interested with what Honeywell-Bull did with x86 chips and moreso with the predecessor computers. They made some big machines at one time. Allison

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Classic Computer Rescue Squad

by mark＠cyberlightstudios.com

---------- + From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> + To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> + Subject: Re: Classic Computer Rescue Squad + Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 06:21:38 -0800 (PST) + +On Sun, 9 Nov 1997, William Donzelli wrote: + +> > > On Sat, 8 Nov 1997, William Donzelli wrote: +> > +> > > 500 years from now, if what I am trying to accomplish with the Vintage +> > > Computer Festival succeeds, the machines which were truly significant from +> > > a social context, meaning the ones which ran the banking system, the +> > > airline system, government, etc. (in other words, the computers which were +> > > the foundation of modern society), will be the ones which we remember, and +> > > the Altair and others of its ilk will be merely novelties. +> > +> > I'd reign in your desire to pidgeonhole computers into "novelties" vs +> > "socially significant" if I were you. Not only is EVERY piece of hardware +> +> Next time you want to turn your flamethrower on, please aim at the right +> person. You quoted me for something I did not say. +> +> William Donzelli +> william(a)ans.net + +Mark, + +I take credit for the original posting. And you make some valid +arguments. What I wrote wasn't meant to be taken as an abridgement of my +total philosophy. + +There's been a problem around here lately of people taking single +sentences from a message and blowing it out of proportion. I wish it +would stop. + +Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- +Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass + + Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 + See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! + + Hi, Yes, I agree, and I must confess that I sounded a bit more irritated than I actually was! My point, as you note, was that we should consider all of computing's heratige special...but of course, we do, or we wouldn't be reading this list. Sorry if I sounded a bit arrogant.....and thanks for the reply Mark

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Classic "Laptops"

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 04:36 PM 11/9/97 +0000, you wrote: >OK. By the way, speaking of "sub-laptops", does anyone know what kind of models >might be good for me? I just pretty much want to be able to take notes; etc. >Windows CE is cheap enough for me, but they're keyboards aren't for REAL people. >Possibly an Apple Newton? Or are there any classics that have a keyboard large >enough to type on(not two-finger typing.) ? Where can I get one of these Radio >Shack 100's? Good keyboards for taking notes: Radio Shack Model 100/102 NEC PC8201A (M100, but some differences (or vice-versa?)) Epson HX-20 (Not as good, but adequate) Cambridge Z88 (Never used one, but looks good.) Radio Shack WP-2 (Word processor, similar to m100) There are a couple of newer m100-type machines that can act as a keyboard for a Mac or PC as well. And, of course, Apple's E-mate (or whatever it's called.) Or pick up a used '286-ish PC laptop. Generally decent machines, run DOS (lots of available word processors), and cheap. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Trash

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 02:38 PM 11/8/97 -0500, you wrote: >So, what do you people think I should do when I just can't keep a computer >much longer? I don't want to trash them, but things like XTs, 286s, etc? What >can I do but throw them away when I have no room? Where are you located? There are groups that will recondition them and place them in schools. Groups like the Detwiler Foundation (huge) or the Computer Recycling Project (tiny). I do the same for my girlfriend's school with Mac's. There are also programs that teach kids about fixing them. Lemme know if you need more info and I can dig it up. (I don't do much with most of the groups because I'm able to scrounge the computers and fix them myself.) P.S., if anyone has older mac stuff (Mac II or newer) we can always use it. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Classic "Laptops"

by adam＠merlin.net.au

A simple question - was the Texas Instruments Compact Computer - the CC-40 - ever produced? I have some photos in a book here, and it looks neat, but I have never heard of them and have no idea if they are available second-hand. Adam.

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Qume?

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

Today, for the first time in years, I got my old SwTPC S/09 to boot. (pause for applause to die down) But success was not total; floppy drive 0 works fine, but drive 1 just retracts to track 0 and makes a buzzing/grinding noise. I'm guessing that it wants to hit track 0 at the beginning of a seek, can't tell that it has made it there, and is struggling to retract past the legal limit. So, is anybody out there familiar with the mechanics of Qume 8" floppy drives? Is there a switch or optical sensor or something that tells it when it is at track 0? Or, from the description, is it possible/likely that this is an electrical failure, like a dead chip? Anybody got a service manual for one of these critters? Cheers, Bill.

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