- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 04:45 PM 11/10/97 -0500, you wrote: >>Two are in and out to the 9114, one is power (I'm pretty sure) but I'm not >>sure about the last. Perhaps input for the barcode wand? > >What does the mystery connector look like? It's kinda roundish wiht (I think -- I'm on bart, it's at home) 5 holes for pins -- made me think of the old Hayes modem power supply connectors. The one that I'm pretty sure is the power is two adjoining square holes with 1 pin-hole in each. The same connector is on the disk drive. Someone said these take a standard HP 8v ps... Anyone know where to get one? Thanks in advance! The other thing I noticed about this (and I found something on the web that seemed to agree with this) is that to the right of the space bar it appears there's a slot for a magstripe card. It's a little wider than the strip on a credit card. Pretty neat. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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More off-topic stuff

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<sounds as if the head is hitting against the case or something. Now, <there is no disk access going on at all when this is happening, and it <happens regularly at (seemingly) random intervals throughout the day. All <of a sudden I'll start to hear the thunking sound and it will be coming <from one of the two machines' hard drive. Very odd. It may be that most of the non stepper drive will reseek from time to time to correct for temperature and wear. It's recalibration. Allison

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MV3100 floppy drive

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

I have a MicroVAX 3100 I'm putting a floppy in. Where does it attach? YOu can see where it was removed, and there's no option card slots... Where do I put the floppy in?

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JTS (was: Classic Computer Rescue Squad)

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 01:19 PM 11/14/97 +0000, you wrote: >Well, it won't help you now, but a company called JTS Corporation has the best >HDDs I've seen in a LONG time. I was using a WD Caviar 2.0 GB, and it was For a little classic content, JTS is the company that acquired the remnants of Atari Corp. Haven't done anything with it, that I know of, but in the future...? --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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System/34

by Zeus334＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-11-14 14:43:02 EST, you write: << Subj: Re: Re[2]: System/34 Date: 97-11-14 14:43:02 EST From: allisonp(a)world.std.com (Allison J Parent) Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Reply-to: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu (Discussion re-collecting of classic computers) <> Anyway, if the Boston System/34 is available, perhaps the RCS/RI people <> might want it. < <Allison has expressed an interest... It will be for the RCS/RI folk if I collect it as I am not IBM oriented. <I can't now remember who asked, but whoever you are, your Toyota should <have no difficulty carrying the thing if you can get it into the back. <Warning: If you need people to help you lift bits into the back of your <truck, you will _definitely_ need help lifting it off again when you get <home. Good to know. A few racks will fit no sweat I was wondering if it were more like a room full. However, I've heard nothing from the owner. Allison >> I don't actually own the thing, and never offered it per se. I could probably get the administration to let go of it, esp. if there' s money involved. I'll ask around. The terminals are 3 5250's -- I found the manual for one of them. As soon as I get a definite response, I'll post. Tell me how much you would pay.

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Help with Mac Plus

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

as specified before, if the "about this mac" doesnt show it, you may have to remove the case and look at the simms. plus models came with 1 meg standard in 4 256k simms. other mem configurations are 2 1meg simms and 2 256k ones for 2.5 meg and 4 1meg simms for a total of 4 which is what my platinum mac plus has. i've noticed two mac plus designs; one in the apple //e beige colour and the other in corporate gray. i presume they are identical though. In a message dated 97-11-14 10:49:08 EST, PG Manney put forth: > Can anyone with Macintosh experience help me, please? > > 1) How do I check the amount of memory installed without ripping open the > beast? > > 2) The machine was running some programs (Chess, for example) and suddenly > refuses to do so, claiming, "xxx K needed to run this program. You have 512 > K). Customer doesn't know how much was installed. Might this be a > configuration problem, or has it lost contact with half its RAM? (and it > hasn't even hit 40 years yet!) > > Thanks, > manney(a)nwohio.com >

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Victor 9000 (Visual Technologies)

by Aperiodic＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-11-14 13:04:53 EST, you write: << I can supply original DOS disks for 3.31 >> I would most certainly appreciate it. The computer these would be used on is actually a Visual Technologies Commuter--a colleague noted that although this unit runs intel 8086, 8088, 80286, it can boot into DOS 6.22. I have yet to find out if this is true or not; however, what can we work out so that I may get those disks? Thanks Sam Uncler

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System/34

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> Anyway, if the Boston System/34 is available, perhaps the RCS/RI people <> might want it. < <Allison has expressed an interest... It will be for the RCS/RI folk if I collect it as I am not IBM oriented. <I can't now remember who asked, but whoever you are, your Toyota should <have no difficulty carrying the thing if you can get it into the back. <Warning: If you need people to help you lift bits into the back of your <truck, you will _definitely_ need help lifting it off again when you get <home. Good to know. A few racks will fit no sweat I was wondering if it were more like a room full. However, I've heard nothing from the owner. Allison

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Bogus CD drive

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<>My primary computer has a Toshiba 3401 (couple-years-old) caddy-type SCSI <>CD drive in it. This is from back when they were expensive and built lik <>tanks. It is now generally choking on software CD's and skipping horribl < <Run down to Tower Records and pick up a CD Lens Cleaner. Shouldn't be mor <than $10-15 and it just might do the trick. (Not a bad thing to have in an <case.) My phillips cm205 (yes single speed) gets cranky every so often and removing and opening it finds a cloud of dust. Careful vacuum and soft brush and clean the lenses with a blast of dry air in a can seems to do it every time. The dust accumulates in the CDrom as a result of the PCs cooling fan that blows out. The cooling intake air come from a grill at the opposite corner of the box about also some is sucked through the 3.5" floppy and the CDrom via the doors. After a while I can see the dust if I push the door open. Since the system runs 24x365 it does gather dust! Allison

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HD Floppies in DD Drives

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I would really doubt this. The oxide coating on just about any tape, <digital or analog, flakes off even if never used. As for CD-ROMs, I would <say that the stamped ones (normal ones) will probably last for a very Mag tape (reel to reel) has the longest life. Many companies depend on it lasting in excess of 10 years in a good enviornment and 20+ is not uncommon. Much of the newer media and backings have the likelyhood of lasting longer from improved materials. Here at home I have NS* disks that are in excess of 15years old some 19! My TU58 tapes(DC100/DEC) none are newer that 1985 and some go back to '81. I have RX01/2 media that is clearly late '70s and early '80s. My RL02 (removeable 10mb 14" platter) packs are 1984. I take real good care of the media and drives and rare is the failure. Several things to consider, if your comfortable the magnetic media is. Clean is good, no smoking or dust will help greatly for long term. Careful storage, do not over stuff boxes, a stiff cardboard seperator to prevent warping or bending. Nothing is a substitute for opening the drive and hand vacuuming and cleaning it. Doubtful drives should be cleaned, repaired or replaced rather than risk media in them. A dirty head or bad pressure pad can scratch a an otherwise good disk. Allison

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Classic "Laptops"

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<>journalists, who would connect with a modem an upload the files. Is <>this true? If so, what on earth ever happened to these? (Does this <>sound like something else... H/PC come to mind? < <Journalists around here used the Radio Schlock thingie (Tandy 100?) Don't <know the processor, tho'. T-100 was 80c85, cmos 8085 which with the exception of two instructions is an 8080/8224/8228 reduced to 40 pins and cmos. Good chip by the way. It's most current use is the mars rovers for it's very low poaer and resistance to radiation effects. 8085 is 1977, cmos part is 1981ish. Allison

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Older computers FS

by manney＠nwohio.com

Our local NASA is selling off older PC and other stuff. I'm local, if anyone wants anything. Stuff is at http://www.lerc.nasa.gov/WWW/Logistics/sales.htm on the world's slowest server. manney(a)nwohio.com

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PC/AT reference

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 08:56 AM 11/14/97 -0500, you wrote: > I speak French, mut I'm not an expert on computerese >French...unfortunately, I'm snowed under at my business, so I don't have I took french in high school & college... which means I can swear at you, ask you out, and say "Je deteste des ordinateurs". (but I can say that last bit in several languages.) 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Bogus CD drive

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 01:24 PM 11/13/97 -0800, you wrote: >My primary computer has a Toshiba 3401 (couple-years-old) caddy-type SCSI >CD drive in it. This is from back when they were expensive and built like >tanks. It is now generally choking on software CD's and skipping horribly Run down to Tower Records and pick up a CD Lens Cleaner. Shouldn't be more than $10-15 and it just might do the trick. (Not a bad thing to have in any case.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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System/34

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

>> > This machine is in Boston, MA, USA. It also has three very ugly terminals - >> > anyone know what kind? Yes, I know exactly what kind, but I can't remember the IBM number (5250? Something like that, anyway). You daisy-chain up to eight of each port on the Sys/34 using IBM twinax cable. > Anyway, if the Boston System/34 is available, perhaps the RCS/RI people > might want it. Allison has expressed an interest... For your information, it is about 4 feet tall, two or three feet wide, and at least six feet long, the actual length depending on what options are installed. It is very heavy (I don't know how heavy) but some dismantling should be possible. I can't now remember who asked, but whoever you are, your Toyota should have no difficulty carrying the thing if you can get it into the back. Warning: If you need people to help you lift bits into the back of your truck, you will _definitely_ need help lifting it off again when you get home. > > I have one available here, in Peoria, IL... > > Anyone want it? I can't store it... > > It has all sortsa 8" floppies with it... > > It might not be a bad idea to grab the floppies, even if you can not > find a taker for the hardware. Good point. Well said, William. Whoever gets the Boston machine will want [copies of] the Peoria floppies, I imagine. I may well be visiting the eastern US in the next few weeks but I absolutely _refuse_ to take a system/34 home with me! In the summer, I got sent to Jakarta (Indonesia) and I bought a large gong. You wouldn't believe how expensive excess baggage costs to bring home! (I had 76kg total baggage on that flight...) On the other hand, I might be able to shuttle a _FEW_ _SMALL_ items in each direction. Suggestions?? Philip.

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Bogus CD drive

by manney＠nwohio.com

>Disclaimer: This is not a ten-year-old topic and you are free to ignore the >message as you see fit. I write, however, in full confidence that someone >reading this can answer the question. > >My primary computer has a Toshiba 3401 (couple-years-old) caddy-type SCSI >CD drive in it. This is from back when they were expensive and built like >tanks. It is now generally choking on software CD's and skipping horribly >on audio CD's. My Wintel guru says that it is literally not worth trying >to clean the thing, that the cost of a cleaning will exceed the cost of a >new 8X or 10X SCSI CD drive, and the bother of going inside the case, >removing, and re-installing will be the same. I hate to pitch this drive, >it's worked so well; is there anything non-invasive I can try before I give >up on it? Have you tried a cleaning CD? You can get them for $8 or so.

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Victor 9000

by manney＠nwohio.com

I can supply original DOS disks for 3.31 manney(a)nwohio.com -----Original Message----- From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> To: Manney <Manney> Date: Thursday, November 13, 1997 9:56 AM Subject: Re: Victor 9000 >To All: > >Know where I might be able to obtain MS-DOS 3.2, 3.3, or 4.0 on a 5.25" >disks? This would be for an older machine--my only other alternative is to >remove a 5.25" drive and plug it into my "newer" HP, download DOS and CP/M >from the internet, and save it to this drive. > >Anybody else had to do something similar to get a boot disk for their older >computer? Any experiences would be extremely helpful. > >Sam >

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Victor 9000

by manney＠nwohio.com

>Hi ya. I have a Victor 9000 computer. Is this a DOS machine or a CP/M >machine? I cannot get it to boot from a disk (MS-DOS 3.2) and I haven't >found anymore information on it. Anything you can tell me abut it will >be great. Thanks IIRC, it would run either. A local doctor has a Victor in his basement (anyone want it?) manney(a)nwohio.com

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Thought everyone would like a chuckle

by manney＠nwohio.com

>Microsoft to Buy The U.S Government >REDMOND, Wash. - Oct. 21, 1997 -- In direct response to accusations >made by the Department of Justice, the Microsoft Corp. announced today >that will be acquiring the federal government of the United States of >America for an undisclosed sum. "It's actually a logical extension of >our planned growth", said Microsoft chairman Bill Gates, "It really is >going to be a positive arrangement for everyone". >Microsoft representatives held a briefing in the oval office of the >White House with U.S. President Bill Clinton, and assured members of >the press that changes will be "minimal". The United States will be >managed as a wholly owned division of Microsoft. An initial public >offering is planned for July of next year, and the federal government >is expected to be profitable by "Q4 1999 at latest", according to >Microsoft president Steve Ballmer. >In a related announcement, Bill Clinton stated that he had "willingly >and enthusiastically" accepted a position as a vice president with >Microsoft, and will continue to manage the United States government, >reporting directly to Bill Gates. >When asked how it felt to give up the mantle of executive authority to >Gates, Clinton smiled and referred to it as "a relief". He went on to >say that Gates has a "proven track record", and that U.S. citizens >should offer Gates their "full support and confidence". Clinton will >reportedly be earning several times the $200,000 annually he has >earned as U.S. president, in his new role at Microsoft. >Gates dismissed a suggestion that the U.S. Capitol be moved to Redmond >as "silly", though did say that he would make executive decisions for >the U.S. government from his existing office at Microsoft >headquarters. Gates went on to say that the House and Senate would "of >course" be abolished. "Microsoft isn't a democracy", he observed, >"and look how well we're doing". >When asked if the rumored attendant acquisition of Canada was >proceeding, Gates said, "We don't deny that discussions are taking >place".Microsoft representatives closed the conference by stating that >United States citizens will be able to expect lower taxes, increases >in government services and discounts on all Microsoft products. >About Microsoft: Founded in 1975, Microsoft (NASDAQ "MSFT") is the >worldwide leader in software for personal computers, and democratic >government. The company offers a wide range of products and services >for public, business and personal use, each designed with the mission >of making it easier and more enjoyable for people to take advantage of >the full power of personal computing and free society every day. >About the United States: >Founded in 1789, the United States of America is the most successful >nation in the history of the world, and has been a beacon of democracy >and opportunity for over 200 years. Headquartered in Washington, D.C., >the United States is a wholly owned subsidiary of Microsoft >Corporation.

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Help with Mac Plus

by adam＠merlin.net.au

Not knowing what system you are running, I may not be able to help. But... >1) How do I check the amount of memory installed without ripping open the >beast? Under the apple symbol in the top left of the menu bar is an "about this macintosh" option - that should give you memory, memory usage, and the version of the OS. This is under system 7.1, but it should be on most (if not all) the versions of the OS. >2) The machine was running some programs (Chess, for example) and suddenly >refuses to do so, claiming, "xxx K needed to run this program. You have 512 >K). Customer doesn't know how much was installed. Might this be a >configuration problem, or has it lost contact with half its RAM? (and it >hasn't even hit 40 years yet!) I haven't encountered that problem yet. The Mac plus should have more than 512k as standard. (mine has 2 meg, but that was expanded). Anyway, when you highlight a program, but don't start it, you can go to the file menu and look under the get info option. That will tell you, at the bottom, what the suggested memory size is, and what the minimum and prefered sizes are. Changing these may solve your problem, and if not I can only assume that it is, indeed, hardware related. I don't think there are any software settings for memory, but I imagine there are the usual switches on the motherboard - unfortunatly I don't have that much info. Hope that helps, Adam.

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Classic "Laptops"

by manney＠nwohio.com

>OK. By the way, speaking of "sub-laptops", does anyone know what kind of models >might be good for me? I just pretty much want to be able to take notes; etc. >Windows CE is cheap enough for me, but they're keyboards aren't for REAL people. >Possibly an Apple Newton? Or are there any classics that have a keyboard large >enough to type on(not two-finger typing.) ? Where can I get one of these Radio >Shack 100's? > Radio Schlock 100's had the loveliest keyboards I've ever seen. Don't think the display was backlit, tho'. I see 286 and 8088 laptops (floppy only) going for cheap $$ at hamfests.

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Sorry, I need to get this to PG Manney, there

by manney＠nwohio.com

>> Whoops! of course...and didn't they make a calculator or two? > >Yes, they made quite a few calculator models. I've only seen one myself. >My father used it in his engineering work many years ago. I now have it, >and although it is functional, a friend that I lent it to smashed the case >up pretty badly by accidentally hurtling it against a cement floor. <s> > >It's a PR-100 programmable scientific calculator. It has one of those >very intense orange displays (I forget what the technology is). > >My father says that the engineering firm he worked for used to have tons >of Commodore equipment around. Mostly mechanical adding machines and >office furniture. :) > >I've been running into far more Commodore furniture recently than >Commodore computers. I usta have a Sinclair programmable calculator that ran on a 9V battery, thus requiring a large bulge in the case that would tilt the calculator away >from the user when set down. Magnificently intelligent design. manney(a)nwohio.com

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PC/AT reference

by manney＠nwohio.com

>P.S., I stumbled across a site that might offer insight into this question. >It's at <http://www.mygale.org/08/samurai/> and offers a listing of >computers by microprocessor (as well as other ways). Only problem is it's >in french. 8^) I speak French, mut I'm not an expert on computerese French...unfortunately, I'm snowed under at my business, so I don't have time to translate the whole document. I can research and/or translate portions for anyone who wants, tho'. manney(a)nwohio.com

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Help with Mac Plus

by manney＠nwohio.com

Can anyone with Macintosh experience help me, please? 1) How do I check the amount of memory installed without ripping open the beast? 2) The machine was running some programs (Chess, for example) and suddenly refuses to do so, claiming, "xxx K needed to run this program. You have 512 K). Customer doesn't know how much was installed. Might this be a configuration problem, or has it lost contact with half its RAM? (and it hasn't even hit 40 years yet!) Thanks, manney(a)nwohio.com

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Bogus CD drive

by engine＠chac.org

Disclaimer: This is not a ten-year-old topic and you are free to ignore the message as you see fit. I write, however, in full confidence that someone reading this can answer the question. My primary computer has a Toshiba 3401 (couple-years-old) caddy-type SCSI CD drive in it. This is from back when they were expensive and built like tanks. It is now generally choking on software CD's and skipping horribly on audio CD's. My Wintel guru says that it is literally not worth trying to clean the thing, that the cost of a cleaning will exceed the cost of a new 8X or 10X SCSI CD drive, and the bother of going inside the case, removing, and re-installing will be the same. I hate to pitch this drive, it's worked so well; is there anything non-invasive I can try before I give up on it? thanks much, __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

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Probably not counting... DECserver 200/MC

by fmc＠reanimators.org

William Donzelli <william(a)ans.net> wrote (after Daniel Seagraves): > > I just got a DECserver 200/MC to act as a termserver for my 11/34 when it > > comes back up... ANyone know how to get setup on here? > > This may not count as a computer, but I do need help... > > OK, so I am not familiar with the unit, but why would it not count as a > "computer"? Is it not yet ten years old (for this list)? If not it's close. I was responsible for one or two in 1988 or so, and we got it from somewhere else so it must have been around for a little while before then. It's a terminal server. I never took a screwdriver to one but it clearly had some smarts inside. To the best of my knowledge it will not do TCP/IP, but my knowledge is a bit dated. Maybe DEC found a way to cram it in there but I think they only had TCP/IP support in later models of terminal server. On powerup it has about enough code in it to download the code that makes it useful over Ethernet using DEC MOP. Supposing it finds a willing MOP server with the appropriate loadable image it will then be able to do DEC LAT over Ethernet. So you could hook terminals or modems up with it and have them talk to a LAT host, or you could hook up a printer and establish a LAT print queue on a VMS host, or you could hook its serial ports up to some other computer's serial ports and set it up as a LAT server that other LAT users could connect to. Is it useful/usable with -11s? I don't know, I used it with VAXen, but that's been eight or nine years ago and I don't really remember them that well. -Frank McConnell

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GridPad 1910

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

I recently got a GridPad model 1910, and I have a few questions... Does anyone know of a source for batteries? (Mine doesn't have one) Is there a version of basic specifically for the gridpad, or does anyone know how to get input from the screen with a general PC Basic? Does it require any special type of keyboard? Anyone have any documentation for it, especially for the docking station? connector on the bottom? Anyone have or know of software for it? This thing is pretty rugged, and I'm thinking it would be great to mount in my Land Rover to use for navigation (which means finding a DOS-based nav program that can work with a GPS.) Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Info On PIMs wanted.

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 08:11 PM 11/12/97 +0000, you wrote: >OK, so they weren't called that early on. But still, that's what >they're called now. What I really want is something small, but >powerful. (This classic is going to get USED) I have two schedule >programs; MS Schedule+ and a program called Sidekick 2.0, for DOS, made >in the early 90's. Compatibility would help. I also want something >that's not to hard to find, and I can get for less than a Palm Pilot. (A >lot less, if possible.) Your choices include: Amstrad PDA-600 (maybe DOS?) Atari Portfolio (DOS) Poquet PC (DOS) GridPad (DOS, not very small) HP handhelds Dauphin DTR-1 (DOS/Windows) Maybe a couple of others None of those are cheap. Portfolios and Poquets seem to sell for well over $100. Same for the gridpad. I dunno about the various HP handhelds, but I suspect they're expensive too. I got (not yet -- it's on its way) my Amstrad PDA-600 for $60. Dauphins are more than a Pilot. Of the lot, the HP's are probably the most powerful. Another option would be an early Newton or one of the machines that came out at the same time (like the Zoomer). --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Anyone have a used copy of this book?

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

>Try http://www.powells.com next to Amazon they're about the biggest Whups. Got confused a bit in my last reply. This isn't the Land Rover list. So ignore the (true, but) irrelevant comment about Land Rover manuals. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Sick PDP-8/f: Need Diode Info!

by mcquiggi＠sfu.ca

Hi David: > boards for decoupling capacitors, if their is one near each chip then that > is what it is, any .01uf ceramic would replace it. It would be on the > traces to the corner power and ground pins. Well there ARE a bunch of them, they ARE near several ICs, and they are in parallel with one side at ground. I think you're right. I think I have found the major problem with my board: The symptom I'm experiencing is that the DC OK H line, nominally 3.2V, drops to 2.2V when the M8310 is inserted into the backplane, and then the machine doesn't work anymore (not really, just can't RUN from the toggle switches). This voltage stays constant at 3.2V either on an empty backplane, or with all boards except the M8310 installed. Put the 8310 in and the voltage drops to 2.2V. I've traced this DC OK H pin to the input of a 7404 IC on the 8310 board. With power off, the gate's input and output are seen to be at ground, i.e. I think the gate is shorted. I wonder if you could look at your printset and see where the DC OK H line actually goes and what happens after the 7404? I think this is a bad chip. Thanks in advance, Kevin > > If you need any more help email me > > David Gesswein. > -- Kevin McQuiggin VE7ZD mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca

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6800

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I have just done a search in the Jameco catalogue and although there are <some 8080A for sale the 6800 seem NOT to be available anymore..... I just got hardcopy catalong this week and also checked on line. They have it! The 8080A is the same thing and the 6800 also came in a B part (different speed). Allison

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Kim Help

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Today I picked up a KIM-1 with Commodore/MOS label for free they had it in the trash at the yard. No power supply was with it and they sold these for 169.99 with power supply. Anyone have information or know were I can get a power supply for this unit? Thanks John Keep Computing !!!

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Victor 9000

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

This machine came with a green-phosphor, slow-phosphor screen that's sharp and rock steady. The screen tilts up and down and left and right for maximum comfort. It has a silent keyboard with a large shift key next to the Z, the return key is also large, and the cursor-movement keys are separate from the numeric keypad. The disk drives are 5 1/4-inch and hold 640k each and are expandable to 1200k each. 128k of user programmable memory is standard. It sold for $4995 new. It had a 16-bit processor like the IBM and you could buy a plug-in card that increased the memory by 64k for $600 that also had the Z-80 microprocessor on it and allows you to run CP/M. This was called a Victor-80 Card. The 9000 does excellent monochrome graphics but it will not do color graphics. Hopes this info helps John Keep Computing !!! At 10:21 AM 11/13/97 -0800, you wrote: >Hi ya. I have a Victor 9000 computer. Is this a DOS machine or a CP/M >machine? I cannot get it to boot from a disk (MS-DOS 3.2) and I haven't >found anymore information on it. Anything you can tell me abut it will >be great. Thanks > >Anthony (Tony) Lee > > >

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DEC Rainbow

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Do a web search there many rainbow sites that offer software for download. At 04:46 PM 11/10/97 -0500, you wrote: > DOS or CP/M? > >manney(a)nwohio.com > >> I just bought a DEC Rainbow, does anyone have any idea where I can get a >>boot disk for it? >> >> Thanks >> Charlie Fox >> >> >> > > > >

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DEC Rainbow 100

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<From CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Thu Nov 13 22:16:58 1997 <Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) < id AA00816; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:31:05 -0500 <Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) < by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMT < id OAA02819; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:26:25 -0800 <Received: from mx3.u.washington.edu (mx3.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.230] < by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMT < id OAA39428 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14 <Received: from bsdserver.tek-star.net (bsdserver.tek-star.net [206.29.81.10 < by mx3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP < id OAA05558 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:25:07 <Received: from localhost (dseagrav@localhost) by bsdserver.tek-star.net (8. <What is this? I have one. It's decs a80/8088 powered alter to a PC. <Some guy brought it in, said it was an XT he got at a garage sale, and <wanted it upgraded. Bought it for $10. Fall on floor laughing. While similar it's not upgradeable to a XT. First off it has 768k of ram(or more) possible if not installed. Unlike IBM they actaully fully decoded addresses for memeory so there are no "holes" There is a z80 that does IO and it ran both CP/m-80/86(both!) and MSDOS2.11. <No video or whatever... Should have a tube and LK201 keyboard as well as it has video and all. It was a vastly better machine than the XT but not as accepted due to poor marketing by DEC(actually none at all!) It was faster than the XT and had at the time of offering better graphics. <Is it a PDP relative? Only in that it came from DEC. No PDP-11 or PDP-8 connection. Allison

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System/34

by Zeus334＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-11-13 06:51:18 EST, you write: << Subj: Re: System/34 Date: 97-11-13 06:51:18 EST From: Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Reply-to: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu (Discussion re-collecting of classic computers) > Sorry, folks. I've been asking around about what a System/74 is. I looked, > and it's really a System/34. Could someone tell me what they were for, how > much they were sold for, what year they are, what they're worth now, etc,etc. > Thanks. I used a System'34 when I worked for IBM in 1985-86. It was old then - late '70s?. I seem to remember about 224K of RAM, possibly 256MB of hard disk. There were a number of posts on this subject on this list in late September - start with the thread on IBM 5120 on 18th. I would be very sad to see such a system vanish - I have a certain affection for it after discovering that I - the newest student - knew more about system/34s than anyone else in the building (this wasn't much - the building housed two marketing units). If you - or someone - do manage to acquire this sys/34, I may have some spare copies of one or two pocket quick reference guides I could send you. I'm pretty sure I've got OCL pocket reference (about 1/2 inch thick) and I may have the Assembler pocket reference. Finally, where is this machine? If it is in England or Wales I might consider acquiring it myself... Philip. >> This machine is in Boston, MA, USA. It also has three very ugly terminals - anyone know what kind?

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6800

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Well I want it for my CPU collection and therefore it is QUITE different <to me... < Enrico, What your saying is you want a real Intel 1974 C8080D date code part! That's the commercial grade cermet package part that was the initial offering. Not an AMD, NEC or some dozen others, not all identical. On the other hand if you really wanted all of the various permutations of the 8080 and there are at least 4 or 5 (all pre 1979) I know of. You'd have to consider the 8080a a find as that is still pre '79 design! You have to qualify the vendor and mask set used of or if it was a reverse engineerd design like the NEC parts the 8080, 8080a and 8080af. Of course there were subtleties like the round lid uPD8080AFD or the square. So if you are going to preserve history, you have to be a lot more specific. Or otherwise an 8080A is really then just another 8080! It's the specific part, vendor and die level aspects of the history you loose by collecting those 40 pin slabs of plastic or ceramic indiscriminately. FYI: the MDS I have has a intel 8080 cermet late 74 date code nonstandard branding hand written part number. It appears to be a engineering sample marking. I also have several dated copies of the 8080 and NEC 8080 parts as they were different both in packaging and specifications. Never minding the other intel one from my altair(early 75). The 6800D1 board I have has a MC6800L, that's the cermet 1mhz part circa 1976(august if the datecode reads right). Since I was designing with and using these parts I retained samples that I never threw out as I figured some day I may use them again. they are also part of the collection of processors that includes the DEC T-11 single chip version of the PDP-11 chips I have with DC310es60 (engineering samples 4 of them). One of the ES parts is in a internal DEC demo/proto board. Then there are the pre '79 SC/MP, cosmac, Intersil, TI I know a bit about the history as I was one of the now older hackers from then! Allison

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Bogus CD drive

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

well, a cd disk cleaning kit only costs <$10. I myself dont even know how one would clean a cd drive if it was taken apart as the disk cleaner would do everything. david In a message dated 11/13/97 10:05:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, engine(a)chac.org writes: << My primary computer has a Toshiba 3401 (couple-years-old) caddy-type SCSI CD drive in it. This is from back when they were expensive and built like tanks. It is now generally choking on software CD's and skipping horribly on audio CD's. My Wintel guru says that it is literally not worth trying to clean the thing, that the cost of a cleaning will exceed the cost of a new 8X or 10X SCSI CD drive, and the bother of going inside the case, removing, and re-installing will be the same. I hate to pitch this drive, it's worked so well; is there anything non-invasive I can try before I give up on it? thanks much, __________________________________________ Kip Crosby >>

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[11/34A] ARRRRGH!! <sound of head banging on wall>

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

The BUS ERROR wasn't from the card not being installed. I reinstalled everything, and it refuses to boot. Apparently, I've snipped the wrong wires on the UDA50 slots. Or forgotten to plug things in... No, that's not it. EVerything's plugged in, the lights on the UDA strobe, I've cut the wrong pins and boogered this up worse. I really should stop destroying these machines and just pass them on to more capable people... But I like them too much. Where are the pins I am SUPPOSED to have clipped? I'll rejumper the old ones, it doesn't look hard...

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11/44's

by JAiken8269＠aol.com

I saw your request for info regarding UNIBUS pinouts. I will try to look them up for you... no promises though. I have a complete set of 11/44 boards and a couple of 1 MB memory boards for it. Would you be interested in them? Reasonable offers or begging will be considered. John Aiken JAiken8269(a)aol.com

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DOS versions

by engine＠chac.org

At 15:52 11/13/97 -0500, you wrote: >I could probably get you a full distribution of MS-DOS 3.2, with manual, >reference cards, etc. It depends where I have to ship it. There are maybe 5 >copies, so if anyone else wants them.... Do remember, though, that of the DOSes under discussion in this thread, both 3.2 and 4.0 were prone to notably ugly behavior. The fix to 3.2 was 3.3, the fix to 4.0 was 4.01. Of that list, what I would hold out for is either 3.3, which was quite good, or Compaq 3.31, which was the jewel in the crown. __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

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Docs wanted: Scantron OMR units

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Snickering quietly at the visions of people fleeing in terror and revulsion... B^} I'm seeking some docs on a couple of recent additions to the collection. (be kind, they both have microprocessors so they at least kind of fall into the charter) I've rescued a Scantron 888MP test scorer OMR unit and a model 8400 (option 40) OMR page reader, both (of course) with no docs, information, or software. (for the 8400 at least, the 888MP is a stanmd-alone) So... after the prerequsite inquires toward Scantron (which so far have netted a couple of nice catalogs, and an offer to sell me the latest/neatest units, but nothing useful for what I've got... I turn here... So... if anyone has (or has access to) spare manuals (or copies thereof), I'd appreciate hearing from you... Hey, this could even be an opportunity to dump that carton of old Scantron (bubble) forms you have been using for note pads and connect the dot (bubble?) games! <G> -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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Victor 9000

by Zeus334＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-11-13 10:46:26 EST, you write: << Subj: Re: Victor 9000 Date: 97-11-13 10:46:26 EST From: Aperiodic(a)aol.com Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Reply-to: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu (Discussion re-collecting of classic computers) To All: Know where I might be able to obtain MS-DOS 3.2, 3.3, or 4.0 on a 5.25" disks? This would be for an older machine--my only other alternative is to remove a 5.25" drive and plug it into my "newer" HP, download DOS and CP/M from the internet, and save it to this drive. Anybody else had to do something similar to get a boot disk for their older computer? Any experiences would be extremely helpful. Sam >> I could probably get you a full distribution of MS-DOS 3.2, with manual, reference cards, etc. It depends where I have to ship it. There are maybe 5 copies, so if anyone else wants them....

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System/34

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< >> <This machine is in Boston, MA, USA. It also has three very ugly terminals <anyone know what kind? < Hey, it's local to me. I think I know people that might want it and I can move it if it fits in a toyota pickup. Myself I know little of IBM stuff other than PC XTs. What is a sys/34? How big? Allison

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6800

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Aaaaah! but does the "A" at the end of the number makes any difference? <I think it does: it's not THE 8080 then. Then you know not the 8080! Actually the A was identical save for the NEC 8080 which was interchangeable in most cases but, had a different Hold state, they corrected that with the 8080AF part. Generally the answer is no it makes no difference. Allison

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6800

by e.tedeschi＠ndirect.co.uk

I have a spare new 6800 which I would like to swap for a similar 8080. Any taker? Thank you enrico -- ============================================================ Enrico Tedeschi, 54, Easthill Drive, BRIGHTON BN41 2FD, U.K. tel/fax +(0)1273 701650 (24 hours) or 0850 104725 mobile website: <http://www.Brighton-UK.com> ============================================================

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Victor 9000

by keyboardman＠orbiter.com

Hi ya. I have a Victor 9000 computer. Is this a DOS machine or a CP/M machine? I cannot get it to boot from a disk (MS-DOS 3.2) and I haven't found anymore information on it. Anything you can tell me abut it will be great. Thanks Anthony (Tony) Lee

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Victor 9000

by Aperiodic＠aol.com

To All: Know where I might be able to obtain MS-DOS 3.2, 3.3, or 4.0 on a 5.25" disks? This would be for an older machine--my only other alternative is to remove a 5.25" drive and plug it into my "newer" HP, download DOS and CP/M >from the internet, and save it to this drive. Anybody else had to do something similar to get a boot disk for their older computer? Any experiences would be extremely helpful. Sam

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Victor 9000

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> Hi ya. I have a Victor 9000 computer. Is this a DOS machine or a CP/M > machine? I cannot get it to boot from a disk (MS-DOS 3.2) and I haven't > found anymore information on it. Anything you can tell me abut it will > be great. Thanks AFAIK, both DOS and CP/M86 were available for it. It is not IBM compatible, though - neither the architecture nor the disk format - so attempting to boot from a PC disk won't achieve much. I have an Act Sirius-1 which I believe is a re-badged Victor 9000. If the worst comes to the worst I can attempt to copy some disks and snail-mail them to you. However I am in the UK and I imagine you are in the US, so you ought to be able to find people to help you nearer at hand... Philip.

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6800

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I have a spare new 6800 which I would like to swap for a similar 8080. < Here in the USA JAMECO sells 6800s for $1.95. they are still pretty easy to come by. I should pick one up as I've done little with that chip. Allison

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