- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<From: Zeus334 <Zeus334(a)aol.com> <What exactly is a PX-8? BTW, I have a Mac Portable, which I got because it PX-8 aka geneva is a z80 based CP/M portable circa 1984. <few seconds, it worked. The battery is dead now, though. I use another AC <adapter for the battery, as well as the normal one. That thing eats power! <your battery is alive and mine died, god only knows. Well I've had to replace the cells due to age based failure. The CPU is a CMOS z80 and uses very little power, combine that with no backight LCD, no hard drive (uses ramdisk or microcassette) the power consumption is extremely light. FYI the two week limit was not for lack of battery but the fact that nicads self discharge and would be dead within 30 days if not charged. The nicads used for PX-8 are real cheap I got a set of 4 cells for $10 new. Allison

28 years, 4 months

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FREE! Trash-80 Model 4's

by manney＠nwohio.com

Another person asked first. He asked about "the TRS-80s", which indicates he wants all of them. I e-mailed, mentioning someone else (you) wanted some, and will wait for his e-mail. manney(a)nwohio.com ---------- > From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > To: Manney > Subject: Re: FREE! Trash-80 Model 4's > Date: Friday, December 05, 1997 3:08 PM > > I'm interested in the TRS-80s you mentioned. How much will it cost? I'm in > PA 17347. > > Thanks, > Tom

28 years, 4 months

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RED ALERT!! BIG LOAD OF FREEBIES!!

by Anthony.Eros＠digital.com

I stopped in there today and they're not kidding. Piles of PDP-11s: 11/04, 11/23, 11/34, 11/44. VAX, MicroVAX, VAXstation (I picked up a Tempest-shielded VAXstation cabinet), disk and tape drives, terminals (tons of VT100s,) monitors, documentation, you name it. I didn't see any PDP-8s, though the guy said he thought there might be some 8/a stuff squirreled away. The DECsystem 2020 is in a single cab. They're anxious to empty the building and stop paying rent, so at some point, the unclaimed items will be tossed. I snagged a small pile of stuff and put dibs on a couple others that I'll be picking up early next week. -- Tony ---------- From: kyrrin2@wizards.net[SMTP:kyrrin2@wizards.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 1997 3:30 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: RED ALERT!! BIG LOAD OF FREEBIES!! ATTN: Classic Computer Rescue Crewmembers in the Dover, Delaware area! Take note of this missive I found on Usenet. If I were ANYwhere near the east coast, I'd already have visited the place. This is a terrific opportunity for those of you who want to get your hands dirty on DEC hardware to do it. And, if anyone goes down there and finds an M7552 module (RRD50 controller), please snare it for me! ;-) Attachment follows. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- OK. The powers that be no longer want to store this stuff, so the time has come to make it go away. We have around 5000 square feet of Vax and PDP equipment that needs to find new homes. It's mostly older Qbus and Unibus stuff, so don't expect to find state of the art stuff in here. There is way too much stuff to list, but in a nutshell, there are vaxen from 11/730 up to 8820, with many microvaxen in ba23's and ba123's. There are many unibus pdp-11's, and some pdp-8 stuff. There is also a DEC-system 2020. Many peripherals. TONS of books, manuals, and printsets. Miles of tape, zillions of disk packs, many 8" floppies, etc. If someone is looking for something in particular, let me know and I can see if it is there. Your best bet, however, is to come walk around and see what you can use. Equipment is free for the taking and is located in Dover, Delaware. Don't respond if you are only interested in scrap. We want to get rid of it, but don't want to see the stuff junked. Hell, we can junk the stuff ourselves if that is what we wanted to do. We thought there should be people out there that can use this equipment. take one piece, or take everything. First come, first served. You haul. Unfortunately, we do not have time to package things for shipping, although if the item is small enough, and you make a good enough case, exceptions may be possible. :-) We are interested in moving this stuff quickly, so please respond if interested. Email address has been purposely munged to prevent spam. Re-assemble the address below to respond. Thanks, Jim Bender jbender at corpamerica dot com

28 years, 4 months

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Spoiled by geezers

by Zeus334＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-12-05 05:03:13 EST, you write: << Yes but the PX-8 is now 13 years old and the nicads in it could sustain continous computing for 12-16 hours. I've tried one for logging data and it ran for two weeks at 1-2 minutes per hour without trouble. The time and autostart/shutdown was built in, no extras needed. Most laptops would be hard pressed to run the total uptime without killing the battery. Allison >> What exactly is a PX-8? BTW, I have a Mac Portable, which I got because it wasn't working. After connecting the battery directly to the AC power for a few seconds, it worked. The battery is dead now, though. I use another AC adapter for the battery, as well as the normal one. That thing eats power! Why your battery is alive and mine died, god only knows.

28 years, 4 months

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Panasonic HHC

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 07:01 PM 12/3/97 -0800, you wrote: >I have an HHC in perfect working order and was just wondering what it might be worth to a collector. I recently got mine for $15.50. See <http://komodo.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1585402> for details. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 4 months

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Forward: Atari STacy FS

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 01:23 PM 12/5/97 EST, you wrote: >Atari STacy portable computer. 4MB RAM. 40 MB hard disk. Built-in >screen, MIDI, and trackball. Can also use external mouse and monitor if These still sell for several hundred dollars, mostly because they are just about the ideal MIDI solution for traveling musicians (except maybe for the never-produced ST-Book). I'd love to have one, but since I don't get to use my various ST's & Falcons as it is... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 4 months

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FREE! Trash-80 Model 4's

by TOwad＠aol.com

I'm interested in the TRS-80s you mentioned. How much will it cost? I'm in PA 17347. Thanks, Tom

28 years, 4 months

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Interest In Unix

by mark＠cyberlightstudios.com

Hi, Yes, I've got experience with Linux. Email me at mark(a)cyberlightstudios.com Mark -----Original Message----- From: Hotze [SMTP:photze@batelco.com.bh] Sent: Friday, December 05, 1997 9:49 AM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Interest In Unix << File: ATT00000.htm >> Season's greetings! I have just gotten interested in Linux, (so, it's not truly classic content, but it's implementations are); and I was wondering if anyone here has experience with this kind of thing.... any Linux experience at all. (Sorry for the decipful headline) And I know that it makes me look like an idiot; but possilby if someone could transmit some good newsgroups. People have said time and time again that there are betternewsgroups where we can put all of our "modern" questions. Possibly, that could be included in the FAQ. (Or NAQ) Thanks, Tim D. Hotze

28 years, 4 months

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Advice wanted for cleaning edge connectors, IC sockets, etc.

by bill_r＠inetnebr.com

I recently started the process of bringing my old IMSAI back to the land of the living; it's been packed away for about 10 years, and while it is still functional, the front panel (which never was too stable to begin with) is showing some signs of dirty connections, such as LEDs that flicker if the panel is bumped, unpredictable response to some address switches, etc. I would like to give it a good cleaning, and was wondering what I should use. I didn't know if something like "tuner wash" would be bad for the connectors, PC board, plastic IC sockets, silk screening, solder mask, etc. I considered rubbing alcohol, but I don't know what the effect of that would be either. I checked the FAQs that I know of, and about all I came up with was someone's technique of "giving the circuit board a good scrubbing" with dish soap and swinging it on the end of a string to dry it. As this technique strikes me as possibly dangerous, to myself, the boards, and passers-by, I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction. :^) -Bill Richman bill_r(a)inetnebr.com http://incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "When they took the fourth amendment, I was quiet because I didn't deal drugs. When they took the sixth amendment, I was quiet because I was innocent. When they took the second amendment, I was quiet because I didn't own a gun. Now they've taken the first amendment, and I can say nothing about it." -www.paranoia.com

28 years, 4 months

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Forward: Atari STacy FS

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

found on dc.forsale.computers, so it's located somewhere in northern va. email the seller, not me! For Sale: Atari STacy portable computer. 4MB RAM. 40 MB hard disk. Built-in screen, MIDI, and trackball. Can also use external mouse and monitor if desired. STacy is perfect for serving as the MIDI heartbeat of an art installation or for live gigs. To this day, the Atari has the most accurate MIDI clocking ever produced on a computer. No other full-computer package provides the perfect MIDI portablility of the STacy - one piece grab and go! Though the memory and disk seems small by modern standards, the software written for this machine (and there is lots of it) was written small and fast. Thus, MIDI-wise, STacy can do it all, and do it well, besting many modern boxes running modern un-tuned code. (No digital audio though...) Also, if you want to exercise the score-printing capabilities, I can provide an Atari laser printer with it. Though old, this is still a special box. I'm not "blowing it out", but all reasonable offers will be considered. Please respond via email. Subject: FS: Atari STacy portable MIDI computer Path: lobby01.news.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!pitt.edu!dsinc !news.voicenet.com!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!winter.n ews.erols.com!progster From: progster(a)erols.com (Progster)

28 years, 4 months

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DECmate II

by scott＠saskatoon.com

Yesterday I picked up a DECmate II. Unfortunately, there were no disks with it. I have a few questions... 1. How would I recognize an APU or XPU board? 2. Where can I get a boot disk for it? 3. What software was(is) available for it? (I guess I can now say I have a PDP-8.) ttfn srw

28 years, 4 months

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Interest In Unix

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Season's greetings! I have just gotten interested in Linux, (so, it's not truly classic content, but it's implementations are); and I was wondering if anyone here has experience with this kind of thing.... any Linux experience at all. (Sorry for the decipful headline) And I know that it makes me look like an idiot; but possilby if someone could transmit some good newsgroups. People have said time and time again that there are betternewsgroups where we can put all of our "modern" questions. Possibly, that could be included in the FAQ. (Or NAQ) Thanks, Tim D. Hotze

28 years, 4 months

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RED ALERT!! BIG LOAD OF FREEBIES!!

by H.Davies＠latrobe.edu.au

At 04:59 PM 12/3/97 -0500, William Donzelli wrote: >> > There is also a DEC-system 2020. >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> >> Holy &*^%&*%! (Spits out soda) That's a DEC-10! > >Wipe that up! > >Well, it is a 36 bitter, thus deserving a spot in any collection, but I am >sure some of the PDP-10 old timers (hmmmm, who could they be?) will be >quick to tell you that the 2020s are the little runts of the family. They >were slow and not really elegant. I think of myself as a young DECsystem-10 old timer :-) Whilst it's true to say that the horrible orange 2020s are runts, not real -10s (they're the wrong colour and size to start with), they are the only practical DEC 36 bit system for the home user.... It's no bigger than a VAX-11/780 and there are quite a few people with systems that size at home. The biggest regret I have is that I was offered one about 5 years ago and didn't have the space or money at the time to get it - it was later scrapped.... Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)latrobe.edu.au Information Technology Services | Phone: +61 3 9479 1550 Fax: +61 3 9479 1999 La Trobe University | "My Alfas keep me poor in a monetary Melbourne Australia 3083 | sense, but rich in so many other ways"

28 years, 4 months

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oldies but goodies

by mwhybark＠halcyon.com

Seattle area: Zenith Z-180 portable, circa 1983 lotsa SW manuals battery unvouched for display spotty please bid, not looking for a gold mine, u-haul! FREE: Katpro 2, manuals, some SW + Jukiwriter 6100, cables (hey, it got me through school about 10 years ago!)

28 years, 4 months

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Spoiled by geezers

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> <> Th PX-8 can wake up, do something and go to sleep automajikally. <> <Well, I agree that these systems are better; recently, wintel machines als <have certain accessories which can schedule the PC to turn on. Yes but the PX-8 is now 13 years old and the nicads in it could sustain continous computing for 12-16 hours. I've tried one for logging data and it ran for two weeks at 1-2 minutes per hour without trouble. The time and autostart/shutdown was built in, no extras needed. Most laptops would be hard pressed to run the total uptime without killing the battery. Allison

28 years, 4 months

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weekend finds

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 10:12 AM 12/2/97 -0600, you wrote: >>I am amazed that there isn't a standard for remotes -- 01 for on/off, 02 for > >Hmm. I've got seven remotes and devices here on my desk, and I'm glad >they don't speak the same symbols. I wish they had fewer standards >and more configurable uniqueness, so I could run two of the same >devices each with their own remote. :-) Okay, good point. So what we need is channels, like MIDI gear (and maybe Device ID's, like SCSI.) Hmmm... But then we're getting too complicated for the average bozo (comment about flashing 12:00 omitted.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 4 months

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apple rgb monitor problems

by BROBSTONA＠wartburg.edu

>i need some help with an applecolor rgb monitor if anyone can. >does anyone know any way of testing this monitor? i have one in the >silver-gray colour that matches my mac IIcx yet, i cannot seem to get any >video on it. This really sounds like the monitor for an Apple IIgs. I have three such monitors. (One isn't in very good shape and the other two are in use.) I think there are some Macs that can use this monitor, but I'm not positive. Make sure you are using analog RGB, not digital. What pinout is on the end of the cable? (I think it's supposed to be DB-25, if I have the number right, but I'm using the monitor to type this message and thus can't check right now. :)) -- Andy Brobston brobstona(a)wartburg.edu ***NEW URL BELOW*** http://www.wartburg.edu/people/docs/personalPages/BrobstonA/home.html My opinions do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Wartburg College as a whole.

28 years, 4 months

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Spoiled by geezers

by Zeus334＠aol.com

><< <> I hate to continue the waste [well, maybe not], but in my original post ><> said "on _and_ off..." These machines cannot turn on by themselves > <> unattended by setting an internal wake-up time. > <> > <Well, actually, they can. > > Th PX-8 can wake up, do something and go to sleep automajikally. > Well, I agree that these systems are better; recently, wintel machines also have certain accessories which can schedule the PC to turn on.

28 years, 4 months

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FREE! Trash-80 Model 4's

by manney＠nwohio.com

Two TRS-80 Model 4's are available for free in northern Ohio. I can stall the owner for a couple of days, but if I don't get a reply, they get trashed. Some software, too, (don't know what, will find out) and a wide carriage daisy wheel printer. I'll pack if you pay for shipping. manney(a)nwohio.com ---------- > From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > To: Manney > Subject: Re: Franklin Ace500 ??? > Date: Wednesday, December 03, 1997 9:19 PM > > Probably the same as the IIc and Laser 128: > > Input: AC120v 60Hz 36VA > Output: DC17V 1.8A > > Polarity: > > NC(1) > +VE(2,3) > GNd (4,5,6) > NC(7) > > Pin 1 is at 1:00. Pin 7 at 11:00. > > Hope that helps. > > Tom > > >I just got a Franklin Ace 500 copy of Apple ][C, no documentation or power > >supply. Would anyone have the pin outs and voltages of the seven pin DIN > >power connector?

28 years, 4 months

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MicroVAX II and NetBSD

by pjoules＠enterprise.net

I have got some more bits to add to my MicroVAX II - 2 extra RA81s and an RA82 in their own rack unit. This makes RA drives in all now but I can't connect more than 2 at a time as I didn't get any cables with the 3 'new' ones :-(. The RA82 has NetBSD on it but the person who gave them to me said he wasn't sure whether it would work on my machine. When I try to boot off that drive I get the following: 2..1..0.. howto 0x0, bdev 0x11 booting... 10556+552+33996 start 0x0 Nboot :/netbsd 610304+2696+61260 start 0x8c17c ?06 HLT INST PC=00000003 >>> Am I right in thinking that this means I am not going to be able to boot >from this drive. As it is a Unix filesystem I tried to mount it from Ultrix running on the other drive and failed. Is it possible tat I may be able to boot >from the drive, or failing that, is there any other way that I can have a 'nose around' in the drive or should I just incorporate it into my Ultrix filesystem and forget about NetBSD. Eventually I hope to assist in the VAX-Linux port and then use this machine as a server. If anyone knows of any VAX architecture and/or assembly language tutorials on the web I would welcome the URL, and if anyone in the UK has any books or documentation going spare... ;-) I tried buying books but at about 50UKP each, I have no chance. Regards Pete

28 years, 4 months

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Info on RQDX3

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> Initially, pulled the RQDX1 from the last slot, and installed RQDX3 into <> empty dual wide position (slot 3, right, seemed odd that it was empty. <> And yes, the system ran prior to this) next to tape controller. Later <> reversed process. < <I assume this is a BA23? "Slot 3, right" is empty for a good reason - <it's a special "CD bus" slot, and isn't connected to the rest of the <Q-bus. Nothing works there unless it was specially designed to work there depending on what in the slot order only the first 3 quad slots are CD and the remaining are dual width Q/Q. So if the RQDX1 was was in quad slot 4 or lower you could have a bus grant problem if rqdx3 was plussged into the wrong one of the two now vacant dual with slots! You would definatly get an error if that was the case. Micro11 ba23 from the rear. The numbers are the bus grant order. ----+---- 1 CPU (q/cd) ----+---- 2 memory (q/cd) ----+---- 3 memory (q/cd) Devices get Q off left slot ----+---- 4/5 device (q/q) ----+---- 7/6 device (q/q) ----+---- 8/9 device (q/q) ----+---- 11/10 device (q/q) ----+---- 12/13 device (q/q) I forgot the message but error 14 or 15 is a drive or controller error. kdj11b error 11 not bootable, 12 no disk, 14 no controller, 15 nonexistant drive, 16 invalid unit selected. kdf11b error 12 no controller, 13 drive not ready, 14 drive error, 15 controller error, 16 not bootable Allison

28 years, 4 months

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Info on RQDX3

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

New day, new aggrivations... I've been trying to get an ST-212 drive formatted up as an RD51 so I can install a copy of Micro-RSTS onto one of my systems. Got the parameters to format the drive on my VS2000, and that seemed to go OK. Put the drive into the system (a MicroPDP 11/23), and it looked OK until I told the RSTS installer to prepare the drive, at which point it started complaining about various things, and claimed that the drive was an RD52?!? Back to the notes... Find a note that drives formatted on a VS2000 are not compatable with an RQDX1 controller... Whats in the 11/23? Yank the back off... Figures... An RQDX1! FOO!! Off to the board box... Locate an RQDX3, looks promising... Install it in the system... Now the system completes its self test and immediately complains about a "DU0 - ERR 15 Controller Error". WTH is this? Off to the book shelf... NUTZ! Latest book I've got only gets up to the RQDX1! Decide to bag it for the night... Put the RQDX1 back in... Same error??? AARGH!!! So to the questions: What is "DU0 - ERR 15 Controller Error" ? Did the RQDX1 perhaps munge the format on the drive during the install attempt? Anyone have a list of the jumpers on the RQDX3 that might be of use ? Can a RQDX3 be subbed straight across for an RQDX1 ? If not, does anyone have a formatter disk (or whatever) for the RQDX1 ? Why am I now getting the same error from the RQDX1 and the RQDX3 ? Anyone got a spare copy of a manual that covers the various RQDX? ? Foo! -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

28 years, 4 months

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Spoiled by geezers

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> I hate to continue the waste [well, maybe not], but in my original post <> said "on _and_ off..." These machines cannot turn on by themselves <> unattended by setting an internal wake-up time. <> <Well, actually, they can. Th PX-8 can wake up, do something and go to sleep automajikally. Allison

28 years, 4 months

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Spoiled by geezers

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Merchberger [SMTP:zmerch@northernway.net] > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 1997 1:41 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Spoiled by geezers > > ; > I hate to continue the waste [well, maybe not], but in my original post I > said "on _and_ off..." These machines cannot turn on by themselves > unattended by setting an internal wake-up time. > Well, actually, they can. Kai

28 years, 4 months

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Donation - old mainframe Unix system

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<>Funny... My CoCo can support multiple users, and it wasn't expensive at <>all... $xxx for the machine, $yyy for the floppy drive, $zzz for OS-9 = And the point was... I made a subtle point that the older and often smaller machines were not short on capability and also didn't lack for understandability. The later is significant. Far to many of the wintel boxen are undocumented kluges running a million or more lines of incomprehensable code that sometimes works. After that programming something like PDP-8 with it's smaller memory and very small instruction set suggest getting to the concise solution was essential. Same so for the early micros were 64k of ram and an instruction set that could be remembered. Often the only difference was speed. Allison

28 years, 4 months

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Zenith TurbosProt 386

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Does anyone know of a good newsgroup/anywhere else where I can get one of those? They seem very interesting.... Thanks, Tim

28 years, 4 months

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Franklin Ace500 ???

by TOwad＠aol.com

Probably the same as the IIc and Laser 128: Input: AC120v 60Hz 36VA Output: DC17V 1.8A Polarity: NC(1) +VE(2,3) GNd (4,5,6) NC(7) Pin 1 is at 1:00. Pin 7 at 11:00. Hope that helps. Tom >I just got a Franklin Ace 500 copy of Apple ][C, no documentation or power >supply. Would anyone have the pin outs and voltages of the seven pin DIN >power connector?

28 years, 4 months

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Franklin Ace500 ???

by foxvideo＠wincom.net

I just got a Franklin Ace 500 copy of Apple ][C, no documentation or power supply. Would anyone have the pin outs and voltages of the seven pin DIN power connector? Thanks Charlie Fox

28 years, 4 months

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Yippee!

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

Thanks to all who gave me pointers a while back. I now have my SwTPC S/09 booting UniFLEX from 8" floppys. There were a handful of broken solder-joints in the floppies' power supply, and a dead NOR gate on one of the Qume's controller boards. Next up, the winnies... Bill. PS. I'm still having daydreams of getting an old SwTPC 6800 machine, and maybe a CT-64/CT-VM to go with it. Does anyone have any idea how many of these things were actually produced, and where most of them went to, geographically speaking? Should I expect San Antonio to be a virtual tar pit of old SwTPC stuff?

28 years, 4 months

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Found in comp.sys.pdp11

by rcini＠email.msn.com

For those interested...see paste below. 5msf of DEC equipment in Dover, DE. Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use) ClubWin! Charter Member (6) MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking ============================================ OK. The powers that be no longer want to store this stuff, so the time has come to make it go away. We have around 5000 square feet of Vax and PDP equipment that needs to find new homes. It's mostly older Qbus and Unibus stuff, so don't expect to find state of the art stuff in here. There is way too much stuff to list, but in a nutshell, there are vaxen from 11/730 up to 8820, with many microvaxen in ba23's and ba123's. There are many unibus pdp-11's, and some pdp-8 stuff. There is also a DEC-system 2020. Many peripherals. TONS of books, manuals, and printsets. Miles of tape, zillions of disk packs, many 8" floppies, etc. If someone is looking for something in particular, let me know and I can see if it is there. Your best bet, however, is to come walk around and see what you can use. Equipment is free for the taking and is located in Dover, Delaware. Don't respond if you are only interested in scrap. We want to get rid of it, but don't want to see the stuff junked. Hell, we can junk the stuff ourselves if that is what we wanted to do. We thought there should be people out there that can use this equipment. take one piece, or take everything. First come, first served. You haul. Unfortunately, we do not have time to package things for shipping, although if the item is small enough, and you make a good enough case, exceptions may be possible. :-) We are interested in moving this stuff quickly, so please respond if interested. Email address has been purposely munged to prevent spam. Re-assemble the address below to respond. Thanks, Jim Bender jbender at corpamerica dot com

28 years, 4 months

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Fwd: Free to good home, tons of DEC equip

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

Found the following on comp.sys.dec, anybody close to Dover, Delaware? Mike ===================================================== Subject: Free to good home -- tons of DEC equipment From: MegaGodzilla(a)Tokyo.com (Mega Godzilla) Date: Wed, Dec 3, 1997 00:26 EST Message-id: <3484e8a4.184368394(a)news.bdsnet.com> OK. The powers that be no longer want to store this stuff, so the time has come to make it go away. We have around 5000 square feet of Vax and PDP equipment that needs to find new homes. It's mostly older Qbus and Unibus stuff, so don't expect to find state of the art stuff in here. There is way too much stuff to list, but in a nutshell, there are vaxen from 11/730 up to 8820, with many microvaxen in ba23's and ba123's. There are many unibus pdp-11's, and some pdp-8 stuff. There is also a DEC-system 2020. Many peripherals. TONS of books, manuals, and printsets. Miles of tape, zillions of disk packs, many 8" floppies, etc. If someone is looking for something in particular, let me know and I can see if it is there. Your best bet, however, is to come walk around and see what you can use. Equipment is free for the taking and is located in Dover, Delaware. Don't respond if you are only interested in scrap. We want to get rid of it, but don't want to see the stuff junked. Hell, we can junk the stuff ourselves if that is what we wanted to do. We thought there should be people out there that can use this equipment. take one piece, or take everything. First come, first served. You haul. Unfortunately, we do not have time to package things for shipping, although if the item is small enough, and you make a good enough case, exceptions may be possible. :-) We are interested in moving this stuff quickly, so please respond if interested. Email address has been purposely munged to prevent spam. Re-assemble the address below to respond. Thanks, Jim Bender jbender at corpamerica dot com =====================================================

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Apple Power BookModem

by manney＠nwohio.com

I have what seems to me a 2400 baud Apple Powerbook modem with book, drivers, cable and pretty corregated cardboard box. I'll send it for the price of shipping. Please get it out of my hair! manney(a)nwohio.com

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Weekend addition- Atari

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 12:27 PM 12/2/97 -0500, you wrote: >It's 800xl compatible _if_ you expand the memory, which IIRC was 64K >standard in the 65xe but 128K (or bigger...) in the 800xl. However, you I'm pretty sure the 800XL was 64K. The original 800 was 16K standard, expandable to 48K. The 400 was 16K I think. The 600XL was 16K and not expandable unless you had the expansion box (saw one once). The 1200XL might be 128K, but I'm not sure. P.S., this doesn't include 3rd party stuff. I've seen 1200XL's with the 6502-compatible 16-bit processors with internal hard drives hooked up to a Pentium being used as a CD-ROM drive. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Weekend addition- Atari

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 11:49 AM 12/2/97 -0500, you wrote: >While doing my usual thrift store rounds, i bought an atari 65XE, xmm801 The Atari 65XE is part of the same generation of 8-bit Atari computers as the 130XE someone mention the other day. Compatible with the 400/800, 600XL/800XL/1200XL, and 130XE/130XEG. IIRC, the 130XE has 128K ram, the 65XE had 64K? I'm not sure, but the 65XE may be a bit of a rarity; I don't remember them being sold much. Check with some of the atari sites on the web. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Weekend addition- Atari

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

While doing my usual thrift store rounds, i bought an atari 65XE, xmm801 printer, two disk drives, and joysticks, all for five bucks! a little surface cleaning, and it will look like brand new. anyone know compatibility on this? it uses the 1050 disk drives, which makes me think it's more or less compatible with an 800xl, since it can run dos 2-3. i'm also missing the main computer power supply, although i did get two for the drives. if anyone has a copy of atari dos 2, 2.5 or 3, i'd need a copy mailed to me since i'd have no other way of acquiring it. david

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Transferring files. 11/23+ and the PC.

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

I have a working harddisk, the Fuzzball source, and RT-11SJ. Now to combine them. I am trying to transfer KSERVE to the PDP so I can use it. But it won't take an ASCII transfer, I overrun the buffer. VTCOM and KERMIT don't work, they need an XM monitor. Is there a way to tell RT11 to increase the buffer size?

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Making hard sectored disks

by dcoward＠pressstart.com

Here is the instructions for making the disks. Keep in mind as you read this that one of my personal mottos is that if I could write I'd be a writer. Some of the directions are clearer if you are actually doing it as you read them. .............. CUT HERE ................................. PROCEDURE FOR CREATING HARD SECTORED FLOPPY DISKS FROM SOFT SECTORED FLOPPY DISKS by Doug Coward For some time now I've thought about the possiblity of creating my own hard sectored mini-floppies so that I would not have to rely on being able to find disks at surplus and thrift shops as they became more and more scarce. It seem to me that the only difference between a hard sectored disk and a soft sectored disk should be the number of index holes. So I tried making 3 disks and they worked. So far this technique has only been used to create double density 10 sector hard sector disks but there is no reason I can think of that would keep this same technique from working to create single density or 16 sector disks. Currently, I don't own a Wang or any other computer that would use a hard sectored 8" diskette, so I will not be able to test this procedure on the larger diskettes. When I have more time, I plan to try and use the pieces of an old floppy disk drive to build a "punching gig" to make the process of punching the index holes easier. MATERIALS NEEDED 1 1/8" round hand operated paper punch 1 Soft sectored 5 1/4" floppy disk 1 Hard sectored 5 1/4" floppy disk to use as a template. 1 Plain piece of white paper 2 Pieces of 1/2" wide x 1/2" long clear adhesive tape. The normal index holes from my measurements appear to be between 3/32" and 4/32". So I decided to use a 1/8" punch which will make the holes oversize by about 1/64" but should not make any great difference. Most paper punches are 1/4" so you will need to go to a large office supply store to find this punch (like Office Max). The punch I purchased had a plastic piece over the "female" jaw of the punch to catch the material punched out. This I removed so that I could see through the "female" jaw of the punch to center the punch on the index hole. PROCEDURE The difficult part of punching the disk is guaranteeing the placement of the holes. That is why I use a hard sectored disk as a template. 1. With the two pieces of tape ready, take and rotate each diskette in its jacket until an index hole is visible in the center of the index hole aperture in the jacket. 2. Place the hard sectored disk on top of the soft sectored disk so that the two visible index holes line up. 3. While holding the diskettes together, insert 3 finger tips of one hand through the hub opening applying a slight outward pressure to align the hubs of the two disks. If the index holes are not aligned go back to step 1. If they are slightly out of alignment use the point of a pin or any object that can be inserted through the two index holes and wiggled to realign the index holes. 4. With the hubs and the index holes aligned, firmly pinch together the two diskettes with your other hand, at the hub. Remove your 3 fingers out of the hub. 5. While still pinching the diskettes together, apply 1 piece of tape to the diskettes at the hub so that the tape wraps around through the hub opening and sticks to both diskettes BUT NOT THEIR JACKETS. Apply the other piece of tape across the hub opening from the first piece of tape in the same manner. 6. At this point the two diskettes should have their hub openings and one index hole perfectly aligned. Also they should be securely taped together but still be able to rotate in their jackets. It's important that the jackets be more or less aligned with each other while punching the holes or you can finish with some extra holes in the "new" diskette's jacket. You can, if you need to, use a small piece of tape across the edge of the two jackets in one corner to keep them aligned. 7. Now you're ready to punch some holes. Holding the two diskette jackets in one corner with one hand, insert 2 fingers of the other hand into the hub opening and rotate the diskettes until an index hole in the top diskette (the hard sector template disk) appears in the center of the index hole aperture of the jacket. Hold the diskettes "template disk up" so that the index hole aperture is on the other side of the hub opening from you (away from you). 8. Insert the piece of plain white paper between the diskettes from the side closest to the index aperture until you can see the paper through the index hole in the diskette. This is to make the index hole more visible. 9. Now with the jackets aligned, and the index hole (with the paper visible) in the center of the index aperture, insert the paper punch through the hub opening so that the "female" jaw is positioned above the index hole and the "male" jaw positioned below the index hole. You will have to bend the diskettes slightly to get a clean punch. As you slowly close the jaws of the paper punch you will be able to sight through the "female" part of the punch and line up the punch exactly to the existing index hole. This is where the plain white paper really helps to see that index hole. PUNCH THE HOLE. 10. Repeat steps 7,8,9 until you have punched all of the holes. Remember to keep rotating the diskettes in the same direction after punching each hole. Reposition the paper before punching each hole. When done, peel the tape off carefully, most diskettes today don't have a hub reinforcement ring and the hub opening can be stretched or distorted. If you are careful the template disk over and over again. .............. CUT HERE ................................. ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum =========================================

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Is anything wrong with the server?

by coslor＠pscosf.peru.edu

ate: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 09:43:51 -0600 (CST) From: Cord Coslor <coslor(a)pscosf.peru.edu> To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Subject: Is anything wrong with the server? This is basically a test to see if I am still subscribed, or if there are other problems with the list. I haven't received any messages for a couple of days, and was curious. How can I contact the list 'grunt' to see if I am still on, to find out the subscriber list, etc., etc. Thanks, CORD //*=====================================================================++ || Cord G. Coslor P.O. Box 308 - 1300 3rd St. Apt "M1" -- Peru, NE || || (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu 68421-0308 || || Classic computer software and hardware collector || || Autograph collector || ++=====================================================================*//

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Is anything wrong with the server?

by coslor＠pscosf.peru.edu

This is basically a test to see if I am still subscribed, or if there are other problems with the list. I haven't received any messages for a couple of days, and was curious. How can I contact the list 'grunt' to see if I am still on, to find out the subscriber list, etc., etc. Thanks, CORD //*=====================================================================++ || Cord G. Coslor P.O. Box 308 - 1300 3rd St. Apt "M1" -- Peru, NE || || (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu 68421-0308 || || Classic computer software and hardware collector || || Autograph collector || ++=====================================================================*//

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Hard sectored disks

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Small dia. hammered punches, called "arch punches" (try General Tool Co.) <might be good. Any competent machinist should be able to convert a That works as well. Small punches (I measured the hole at 0.096 +-.001) are easily gotten. But to do it correctly you have to position the hole reasonably accurately. For that you need an indexer, so that the index hole to sector 1 and the remaing nine fall at the correct places. An old drive mostly stripped would do for that with the flywheel marked using a known disk with the envelope removed. Perfect use for a dead 5.25" drive of any type though some may provide better mounting and access. The head, track00 sensor, index sendor, motor and logic can be removed s all that is needed is the spindle and door clamp assembly. The anvil for the punch can be mounted in the drive and the clamp closed such that index hole is at the anvil position in the index mark on the flywheel. With the door closed the flywheel can then be rotated to each position and the hole then punched. The correct position on the perimeter of the flywheel can be notched at the 11(for 10 sector, 17 for 16 sector) positions and a spring steel detent made. A precision of 1 degree is easy to achieve and would insure good operation. Once done, converting 360k soft sector media to 10 sector would be easy and fast. Allison

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Hard sectored disks

by manney＠nwohio.com

> So where the Hell do you find a 1/8" paper punch? The only ones I find > seem to be closer to 3/16" or 1/4". Like the ones I used back when I > thought it was practical to flip TRS-80 diskettes. (It wasn't. They > worked -- for a while, especially when diskettes were $20+ per ten.) Small dia. hammered punches, called "arch punches" (try General Tool Co.) might be good. Any competent machinist should be able to convert a astandard paper punch into a smaller one by turning down the punch and fitting a bushing into the die. manney(a)nwohio.com

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Donation - old mainframe Unix system

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 12:36 PM 12/2/97 -0500, you wrote: >Speaking of my T200, it can turn itself on and off... can a Wintel box do >that??? ;-) Sure, most computers can... All you need is a good X10 setup... 8^) (Actually, I'd love to be able to build a box that would switch on my voicemail system after X rings. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Found on comp.sys.intel

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Found the following: >>I have a (more than) complete Intel ISIS-II development system for sale. I got it from work. We used it to develope 8051 projects. I have a few emulators and EPROM programmers that go with it. Cost $100. You pay shipping costs. Please E-mail me at DSevy2(a)aol.com if you are interested.<< Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use) ClubWin! Charter Member (6) MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking ============================================

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Hard sectored disks

by dcoward＠pressstart.com

Well I finally finished my project and I'm currently enjoying my month off, trying to get done all of the little things that I've been meaning to do for the last 2 years. ====> Warning - shameless plug inserted here By the way, if you own a Sega Saturn and are interested in NASCAR racing - check out NASCAR 98 published by Electronic Arts. The NTSC version should be in the stores any day now. And the English,French, and German PAL version should be in the stores by Christmas. ======== end plug ============ Any way, I have some PRELIMINARY results from my first little research project. For some time now I've been worried that when my last two boxes of 10 sector hard sector mini-floppies were gone, I would not be able to find any more. So, I started toying with the idea that I could make my own floppies. Last weekend, using a 1/8" paper punch, I changed 3 DSDD soft sectored floppies into 3 DSDD 10 sector hard sector floppies by punching 10 more holes in them! AND THEY WORKED! So far I've just tested them on an IMSAI and a North Star Horizon using CP/M 1.4 and NSDOS. NO PROBLEMS! (Format,copy disk,boot with new disk) North Star DOS has a DT (Disk Test) command that writes an incrementing pattern to the entire disk starting at track 0 (over and over until you press ctl-C). AGAIN NO PROBLEM! If there is any interest, I can write up a step by step procedure for the List. Also over the weekend I got my S-100 monitor card to working. It uses 74LS04s and LEDs to monitor just about every line on the bus. It also has LEDs for each of the 3 voltages and a timer circuit that flashes a set of LEDs to show if the clock is running. Now I can start checking out some those systems that have been sitting around waiting to be tested. On the lighter side- Here is a couple of the requests that I've received since my museum has been "discovered". "did coleco make a toy called a superstar guitar in 79 or 80? The spokesman for the toy was wolfman jack. Thanks. rz" "Mr. Coward I recently came into possesion of a hand held scanner Model: Realistic Pro-31/HiLo It seems i have no info that would tell me how to use, let alone find someone that knows..about this make of scanner.. do you know if radio shack has a web site,or mabey realistic.. thanks for your time..Ray Coupal." "Hi there Because of non serious Atari business in Norway ,We (my friends and I ) want to present Atari in Norway again .Could you please help us getting contacted with the right manufactor/producer or other responsible for Atari computing. Please reply (by e-mail )" "Dear Mr. Coward: Several years ago I purchased several Dr. Seuss stuffed toys, namely the Cat in the Hat, Little Cat in the Hat and the Grinch. The tag on the toys says manufactured by Coleco Industries. Do you have any idea if these are still available or where I might be able to purchase them? Any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated." This last one, I was able to find one being auctioned off at EBAY. ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum =========================================

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Donation - old mainframe Unix system

by Zeus334＠aol.com

Recent Wintel machines can turn themselves on and off, but anyway. I repeatedly become interested in the CoCo, and then lose interest again. What I wonder is this: I suppose I could find the package below for a relatively low price. But, I have two problems with those old home machines: they use composite monitors, and they are usually 320X240. solutions? Speaking of composites, I have an IBM CGA card that has a flicker whenever I type something. Solutions? In a message dated 97-12-02 13:11:37 EST, you write: << Funny... My CoCo can support multiple users, and it wasn't expensive at all... $200 for the machine, $300 for the floppy drive, $129 for OS-9 and $50 for the 13" color TV I bought at a garage sale... still cheaper than an single-user IBM box at the time, even when you add the $50.00 RS-232 cart and the $139 multi-pak so I could connect at up to 19200 bps with my Tandy 200... Speaking of my T200, it can turn itself on and off... can a Wintel box do that??? ;-) >>

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weekend finds

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Uncle Roger <sinasohn(a)ricochet.net> wrote: >I am amazed that there isn't a standard for remotes -- 01 for on/off, 02 for >VolUp, 03 for VolDn, etc. But of course, nobody listens to me. Hmm. I've got seven remotes and devices here on my desk, and I'm glad they don't speak the same symbols. I wish they had fewer standards and more configurable uniqueness, so I could run two of the same devices each with their own remote. :-) - John www.threedee.com/jcm

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Workings of a TTY

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Really? I agree that while the speed must be correct within a few <of percent, but none of the Teletypes that I ever owned (Model 28's and <Model 33's) had any adjustment for speed. The speed was determined TTYs could be run at different speeds using differnt gear sets. The differnt gear sets for both 50/60hz and 10cps and several other speeds such as those used for RTTY. I believe 25, 50, 60 and 75 were other speeds. <Now there are adjustments related to the data-bit-timing relative to the st <bit. Is this what you're talking about? That is the TD(transmitter distributor) adjustment, that only synchronzes the reader/keyboard transmit bit stream. There is another timing related adjustment which is the reciever(a solenoid) to escapment. position. Used to have one for over ten years did my own maintenance and at taht time had the manual set. Allison

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Workings of a TTY

by hansp＠columbia.digiweb.com

I have a query about the operation of a KSR 33 TTY when reading paper tape : does the TTY blindly send the characters read from the tape at 10 cps or is the tape advance and read triggered by a signal from whatever th TTY is connected to. Regards, -- Hans B. Pufal : <mailto:hansp@digiweb.com> Comprehensive Computer Catalogue : <http://www.digiweb.com/~hansp/ccc/> _-_-__-___--_-____-_--_-_-____--_---_-_---_--__--_--_--____---_--_--__--_

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Donation - old mainframe Unix system

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 05:26 PM 12/1/97 -0500, you wrote: >machines to new ones. F.E. one could get an old IBM mini (System/3X) for >little or no money, but is there anything doable on it that is impossible to >do on a W****** 95 machine? You can't heat your house with a Wintel box. 8^) But seriously, how about supporting multiple users? I dunno much about IBM's, but an HP3000 (like my Micro3000) can handle up to 8 users (Has 16 ports, iirc, but after 6-8 users, the system gets pretty slow.) I have yet to find a PC database and development environment that could match what's available (Image/KSAM, Cobol, Powerhouse, Qedit, MPEX, etc.) on the 3000. (Though, admittedly, I haven't looked all that hard.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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weekend finds

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

>As I recall, there was much criticism of the IR keyboard since if you were >far enough away to make it useful, you were too far away to read the screen. See what I mean, about the IR keyboards, they were a mistake. Possibly the downfall of the jr. I mean, new sub-$1000 PCs don't try to press new technologies, but use old ones; which is why they're staying around; and getting popular. Does anyone remember how much the IR keyboard cost? Tim D. Hotze

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