>from hp-85 service manual 00085-90154 (5/83) (I think this is the same for
Hp-85 and 85B)
Belt, paper advance p/n 1500-0572
Belt, print head p/n 1500-0529
HP still sold these through thier HP Direct phone order system a couple of
years ago (800-227-8164)
Small belts are available -- there's a company in NJ (Winifred M. Berg)
that specializes in small stuff. I can dig up the address for you if you
want.
manney(a)nwohio.com
----------
> From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> To: Manney
> Subject: HP-85B Printer Repairs.
> Date: Monday, December 22, 1997 4:25 AM
>
> I would be grateful if someone on this list could help me.
>
> I have a somewhat old-fashioned colleague who still uses an HP-85B.
> This morning he came and asked me why the paper advance on the built in
> printer wasn't working, what was he doing wrong?
>
> He had borrowed an old HP-85 from another section (who had thrown it
> out, apparently - it had a red sticker saying "Equipment not to be
> used"), but this also wouldn't advance the paper, so he had concluded he
> must be getting something wrong.
>
> I tried a couple of times to no avail, so I took the lid off. (Why do
> they have to make the tape eject button so huge?). Not much poking
> around to discover that the toothed belt that drives the paper advance
> had perished and snapped. The rubber was mostly in dust all over the
> place; the strengthening threads were wrapped around the drive gear on
> the motor. The smaller toothed belt that drove the print head was also
> very ropy.
>
> So, we opened up the other 85. The same fault, with the remaining belt
> in worse condition.
>
> To conclude, then, does anyone know where to get replacement belts, or
> what the HP part numbers are, or any other useful information?
>
> Philip.
>
> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Philip Belben <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
>
> Das Feuer brennt, das Feuer nennt die Luft sein Schwesterelement -
> und frisst sie doch (samt dem Ozon)! Das ist die Liebe, lieber Sohn.
>
> Poem by Christian Morgenstern - Message by Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk
>
Hello, all:
I just wanted to take a moment {not ask a question, but} to wish
everyone on the list a Merry Christmas, Happy Chanukah, or a fairly
non-sectarian, politically-correct Happy Holidays.
I also wanted to take the time to say thanks to everyone who has helped
me this year to get my classic collecting off the ground. I've learned a lot
about many aspects of the early era of computers; an era that began too
early for me to think about (I was 8 when my PDP-11 was manufactured!) I've
also come to appreciate their "simple elegance." Anyway, thanks go to all,
especially to Sam, Tim, Paul, Allison, and Uncle Roger.
Rich Cini/WUGNET
<nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use)
ClubWin! Charter Member (6)
MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
============================================
Back when I was getting older issues of Computer Shopper, I read about
the Adam in a regular column, seems the users group support was pretty
strong for the bugger, they had several conventions over the years (I
noticed their web page not too long ago.)
The Adam did have some expansion beyond the second datadrive you could
get a disk drive controller to hook in an external drive.
I recall a warning about the datadrives or the Adam in general: don't
turn on the Adam with a datatape in the drive, the drive will send out a
pulse that may damage data stored on the part of the tape next to the
write head (some said up to a few feet away, I don't know about
that...:/ )
The datadrives can use cassette tapes but they need to have slight
(housing) modifications done and be pre-formatted (a tape duplicator may
do the job, though I bet there are formatting utilities on the Internet.
All I have for the Adam now is some xerox catalog of PD software, it
was cheap and I like to know what programs were on the other machines,
to see if there any gaps to be filled for my collection. :)
Larry Anderson
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I guess that's the loss of plasticizer ...the same thing you see in
stiffening and embrittlement of vinyl.
I've never see thermosets go bad, unless attacked by solvents (altho' I've
seen epoxies go gummy.)
----------
> From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> To: Manney
> Subject: Re: Plastic rot
> Date: Monday, December 22, 1997 11:19 AM
>
> At 09:22 12/22/97, you wrote:
> >I have several old HP computers that have done the same thing. Is there
> >any way to repair or restore the color?
>
> No, there (currently) isn't. And the real bother isn't the
discoloration,
> but the accompanying embrittlement -- I picked up a mustard-colored HP
> terminal once and had a piece of the case break off in my hand.
>
> A bloke who was researching this at the Science Mus. in London wrote an
> article for the ANALYTICAL ENGINE in which he basically said that there
was
> no reversing the effect, and the only way you could limit the
deterioration
> was to keep the artifact in near-total darkness. I also asked the
> Smithsonian and they concurred with this.
>
> __________________________________________
> Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org
> http://www.chac.org/index.html
> Computer History Association of California
>
>
In a message dated 97-12-22 02:25:29 EST, you write:
> What about JTS (with their 500,000MTBF), the company that owns what's left
> of Atari? (Their drives are on the top of MY list for quality.)
> Tim D. Hotze
i bought two of those JTS 1G drives, and seem to be no worse or no better than
any other drive out there. also has 3 year warranty.
david
I saw this interesting, computer look-a-like box at a local thrift the other
day, and decided to spring for the $2 and buy the thing. I have no idea
what it is; hopefully someone in this group will recognize the description.
First off the unit measures approximately 15" x 11" and is 4.5" high and is
colored the typical office equipment beige. The front of the box is a
darker brown with the name "ISAAC" written on the left hand side. Above the
two A's in ISAAC is a graphic symbol of an apple. On the upper right hand
side are the words "Cyborg model 91A". Across the bottom, left to right is
a power, push button switch next to an light indicator; four small turnable
knobs with indicator lights, marked 0, 1, 2, 3, respectively. Above the 0
knob is printed the word "Schmitt"; above the 1 & 2 knobs, "Reference";
above the 3 knob, "Adjust". On the right hand side are five push button
switches labled "READ OFF"; Schmitt 0, 1; Reference 2, 3.
Attached at the back by way of two flat connectors is a "91A Isaac
Distribution Board". It has two rows of screw type connectors for attaching
wire leads. They are marked off in banks with names such as "Binary In",
"Binary Out", "A/D Inputs", "SCH In", and others. Nearly 100 separate
connections possible. Across the bottom in small print is "Cyborg
Corporation, 342 Western Ave., Boston, MA, U.S.A. 02135.
Opening the box one finds a main system board with the words "91A ISSAC Main
Board D91A - 8131 REV D 281-061" stenciled near the center. There are banks
of what appear to be memory chips, as well as other various unidentifiable
(to me at least) chips, several banks of dip switches, and a bank of eight
slots, analogous to eight bit expansion slots, though somewhat smaller,
about three inches long. There is nothing which resembles a CPU, nor is
there any obvious way to connect power.
I've done some internet searches using keywords such as Isaac, cyborg, etc.
and have come up empty. Does anyone have any idea of what I bought with my
two bucks?
Cliff Gregory
cgregory(a)lrbcg.com
What about JTS (with their 500,000MTBF), the company that owns what's left
of Atari? (Their drives are on the top of MY list for quality.)
Tim D. Hotze
-----Original Message-----
From: jpero(a)cgo.wave.ca <jpero(a)cgo.wave.ca>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Monday, December 22, 1997 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: Micropolis - moon or bust?
> At 11:33 PM 12/20/97 +0000, you wrote:
> >Hi!
> >
> >Have anyone noticed that Micropolis hung up their website and fallen
> >off earth's face?
>
> Sorry to say, there was an announcement about a month ago that the parent
> company of Micropolis, faced with continuing losses in the disk storage
> division decided to terminate all operations.
>
> Or, in a more direct form: Micropolis got it's plug pulled.
>
> Yet another of the older companies falls by the wayside.
>
> -jim
Thank you for this tidbit news! :) That is important because I get
several questions or read others or helping out other guys with
hd's...
Who was the company who owned and (also pulled the plug) on this
Micropolis?
In other words, we have nothing to compare anything to this quality
standards that was once Micropolis. Now, that is very unfortune
news. Fujitsu is no longer on my favorite list. The definatine
quality control of any remains with Quantum and Seagate's top end
drives. HMO
Thanks...Until anything changes, I will tell anyone who asks about
buying hd to either pick Quantum for anything or Seagate (for medium
to top end, low end are "Conner" design and QC and importantly
compatiablity on master/slave relationship on these are still so so
and bit slow). Their former low end before "Conners" replaced 'em
were superb after years of debugging and had seagateshield which I
consider this neat and good idea for short time! The design mark on
these low end drives were left by long gone CDC and Imp---? and still
see former designs in Cateeh and some few high end drives.
If there is once in a while best deal on new remaining micropolis hds
and expect no warrenty on them if the price is right. If I suspect
rightly...
WD is just ok, still too new to hd making since they're quit their
card controller making exactly under 10 years ago. Superb but
improvements would be good to speed up the ragged performances, oh
well no more controllers from them now. :( ) Especially on newer
series currently in production for least 2 years and still have
problems with 3 platters drives usually.
I hasten to add my tidbit about wdc, few years ago when I was
using WD's drives (never brought any except for used buys) in service
work and helping out friends. Noticed they can be commanded to seek
harder when PIO modes is pushed over (set by on hard jumpered i/o VL
cards) faster than their specs which made weird unhealthy noises and
causes errors. Quickly put correct setting in order afterwards.
Real fun to see WD 420mb hd read from out to in in seconds flat!
That horrible noise and nearly metallic noise, ugh! Other than
that, I have never seen like that in other hard drives of any makes
besides WD.
Maxtor, JTS and Samsung is what I prefer to avoid.
Side comment: I wonder why several companies pulled out making 2.5"
drives (Like to have more options myself.) and one or two jumping in
making oddball 3.0" hard drives for portables recently?
And finally, years ago, I was told by my best friend in computer
service former Conners had problems with 2.5" drives, could anyone
have a care to tell me more about this?
Jason D.
> ---
> jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com
> The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw
> Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174
My VAX is working! And it talks TCP/IP!
DNS is out, but I can send mail (by telnetting to port 25 of the mailserver)
Once my new boss shows up with root's password, I'll make DNS work. Then
I can be found at minako.umtec.com.
> Manney, what's up with your motherboard listing...I need bit more
> info are they usually generics and chipset types usually; VLSI, UMC
> etc is more than enough.
Oh yeah...the motherboards. I keep forgetting to post the list. Probably
after Christmas. Sorry -- been swamped.
Eric Bal has a wealth of information on his web site
(http://www.ebbsoft.com/) concerning HP series 80 computers. There are also
links to suppliers who might be able to supply new belts.
Good luck!
Cliff Gregory
cgregory(a)lrbcg.com
-----Original Message-----
From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
To: Cgregory <Cgregory>
Date: Monday, December 22, 1997 6:26 AM
Subject: HP-85B Printer Repairs.
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>From: Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk
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>Subject: HP-85B Printer Repairs.
>X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN
>
>I would be grateful if someone on this list could help me.
>
>I have a somewhat old-fashioned colleague who still uses an HP-85B.
>This morning he came and asked me why the paper advance on the built in
>printer wasn't working, what was he doing wrong?
>
>He had borrowed an old HP-85 from another section (who had thrown it
>out, apparently - it had a red sticker saying "Equipment not to be
>used"), but this also wouldn't advance the paper, so he had concluded he
>must be getting something wrong.
>
>I tried a couple of times to no avail, so I took the lid off. (Why do
>they have to make the tape eject button so huge?). Not much poking
>around to discover that the toothed belt that drives the paper advance
>had perished and snapped. The rubber was mostly in dust all over the
>place; the strengthening threads were wrapped around the drive gear on
>the motor. The smaller toothed belt that drove the print head was also
>very ropy.
>
>So, we opened up the other 85. The same fault, with the remaining belt
>in worse condition.
>
>To conclude, then, does anyone know where to get replacement belts, or
>what the HP part numbers are, or any other useful information?
>
>Philip.
>
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Philip Belben <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
>
> Das Feuer brennt, das Feuer nennt die Luft sein Schwesterelement -
> und frisst sie doch (samt dem Ozon)! Das ist die Liebe, lieber Sohn.
>
>Poem by Christian Morgenstern - Message by Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk
>
>
>
At 12:37 AM 6/17/97 +0000, you wrote:
>On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Andy Brobston wrote:
>
>> Was the Aquarius II compatible with the old Aquarius programs?
>>
>> Can anyone give me a lead on an Aquarius II?
>
>Never heard of such a beast, and it would have been futile to attempt to
>market an Aquarius II when the first one didn't do so hot. Perhaps you
>are referring to the Radofin Aquarius? If not, I want to know what you
>do, and I want to know it NOW! ;)
>
>Sam
Go to:
http://www.webcom.com/~makingit/bluesky/aquarius.html#aquarius2http://www.webcom.com/~makingit/bluesky/tech/aquarius_tech.html
"Confident in their system, Radofin's president, Lawrence M. Scott, Jr.,
announced that they would continue to sell Aquarius through a new
distributor, and would release Aquarius II in March of 1984 and Aquarius
III in July. None of this happened. "
James
jscarter(a)worldnet.att.net
Someone from my former home town has a bunch of MicroVAXen stuff
that's going to, he says, go to the scrapyard if no one expresses
interest. Any of the Bay Area crew care to negotiate with this guy?
Please reply directl to him. Thanks!
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Time to let go of some more treasured junk.
I have enough miscellaneous parts to put together about 3 working
microVAXEN, with many spare parts left over. The hoard includes but is
not
limited to:
(3) BA23 cabinets, (2) w/ floor-standing tower setups
(~5) CPUS
(1) monochrome monitor for QVSS graphics system
(1) color monitor for QDSS graphics system (history buffs! this is the
system that X was developed on, (i think!))
(2) 1.2Gb SMD disks
(lots) 80Mb RD53 MFM disks
(3) TK50 tape drives
lots of the typical controllers, memory, et cetera.
various versions of Ultrix and VMS
etc.
----------------------------------------------------------
Here's the deal: highest bid takes all the stuff. I'm not really
expecting
anyone to pay much for this stuff (but you can if you want:-)). If
someone
would trade me a 486 or better clone box (or even motherboard) that would
be fine.
Or, if you could come up with a fixed-scan PCI card, i'd keep just the
color monitor.
Or i'd trade the whole mess for a 17 or 19 inch multisync monitor, but i'm
not gonna hold my breath on that deal.
If after a week or two no one has expressed any interest at all, it will
go
to a scrap yard.
***NOTE: I like to collect old stuff myself, i've got tons of it and i
sympathize with the obsession, but PLEASE, PLEASE do not send me mail from
Nova Scotia or Britain saying could i ship the stuff to you it's a pity to
see it trashed. I'll only deliver it local to the Berkeley California
area, and then probably only if you can sweeten up the deal for me as
outlined above.
Thanks much,
Paul Leondis
leondis(a)slip.net
510-649-0993 phone
Berkeley, CA
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"...No matter how hard we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe
an object, event, or living creature, in our own human terms. It cannot possibly
define any of them!..."
I have successfully restored old plastic to near its original condition by
wiping it down with a "hot" solvent (I use acetone). Be advise that what
you are actually doing is removing the very top layer of the plastic, thus
exposing the original color. How much damage you do depends on the quality
of the plastic, how "hot" the solvent, and how carefully you go about the
work. A little trial and error on the underside will give some insight as
to how well it will clean up. A little furniture polish or similiar at the
end will generally gring back the luster of the plastic that has been
deadened by the solvent wipe.
Please, no flames about this. I do not recommend, nor do I personally use
this procedure on any equipment that I deem too valuable to "clean up". I
also have discolored HP equipment which will stay that way. OTOH, I see no
reason not to clean up old Commodores, and the like, this way. As far as an
ADAM goes, the owner will have to decide. I have a couple and put them in
the same catagory as Commodores, i.e., clean-up candidates.
Cliff Gregory
cgregory(a)lrbcg.com
-----Original Message-----
From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
To: Cgregory <Cgregory>
Date: Monday, December 22, 1997 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: A computer not mentioned, IIRC
>At 09:22 AM 12/22/97, you wrote:
>>I have several old HP computers that have done the same thing. Is there
>>any way to repair or restore the color?
>
>Not that I know of. It's not exactly smoke residue that you can wipe off,
>it's in the plastic itself. You could try some paint, but it could get
messy.
>
>- John Higginbotham
>- limbo.netpath.net
>
>
I would be grateful if someone on this list could help me.
I have a somewhat old-fashioned colleague who still uses an HP-85B.
This morning he came and asked me why the paper advance on the built in
printer wasn't working, what was he doing wrong?
He had borrowed an old HP-85 from another section (who had thrown it
out, apparently - it had a red sticker saying "Equipment not to be
used"), but this also wouldn't advance the paper, so he had concluded he
must be getting something wrong.
I tried a couple of times to no avail, so I took the lid off. (Why do
they have to make the tape eject button so huge?). Not much poking
around to discover that the toothed belt that drives the paper advance
had perished and snapped. The rubber was mostly in dust all over the
place; the strengthening threads were wrapped around the drive gear on
the motor. The smaller toothed belt that drove the print head was also
very ropy.
So, we opened up the other 85. The same fault, with the remaining belt
in worse condition.
To conclude, then, does anyone know where to get replacement belts, or
what the HP part numbers are, or any other useful information?
Philip.
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Philip Belben <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Das Feuer brennt, das Feuer nennt die Luft sein Schwesterelement -
und frisst sie doch (samt dem Ozon)! Das ist die Liebe, lieber Sohn.
Poem by Christian Morgenstern - Message by Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk
Ran mine for two years, sold it to a friend, who ran it another two years
before selling it to someone else... Who knows? Maybe one of you guys have
it now. To make sure, check to see if the black nameplate on the top of the
printer is glued back on... :)
At 06:37 PM 12/21/97 -0500, you wrote:
>They also were _horribly_ unreliable. The DOA ratio was very high, and
>those that did survive rmoval from the shipping box often lasted a week or
>two before something died (I think the printer was often a source of
>problems).
>
- John Higginbotham
- limbo.netpath.net
First of all, I found a bunch more Apple things in my uncle's basement. Anyone
want? Manuals, software, etc. Visicalc, Terrapin LOGO, and some other ones are
complete packages. There are some commercial things from '84, '85. F.E. there
is an Apple II magazine that is all reviews. This is a 1985 copy with a
Lamborghini on the front, mostly about making the Apple II look like a Mac.
Now, for the second part. I have a //c, and my uncle has a II with an 80col.
card. Does anyone know if my //c can use a Z80 processor? I would like to try
CP/M on it. If it can't, does anyone have a Z80 card for a II, so that I could
run it on my uncle's machine? Also, any RAM cards, hard drives, modems, etc.
for the II and //c would be nice.
Thank you.
>Now, for the second part. I have a //c, and my uncle has a II with an 80col.
>card. Does anyone know if my //c can use a Z80 processor? I would like to try
>CP/M on it. If it can't, does anyone have a Z80 card for a II, so that I could
>run it on my uncle's machine? Also, any RAM cards, hard drives, modems, etc.
>for the II and //c would be nice.
Do you mean the //c or the //e? The //c cannot take cards at all, being
the small flat white one. The //e can take all that you mentioned. I do
not know if the //c can take a hard drive, but I imagine so, if it is
external (of course). However, I have a source in Adelaide of //c 1 meg
memory cards - difficult to install, as you need to remove the cpu and
several other bits, plug the card into the cpu socket and put it all back
togeather again, but it is also the only way I know of expanding a //c's
memory.
Adam.
Merch,
I used to run one of these back in my teenage years. It was a pretty neat
machine, except for a few downfalls: Little third party support, not a whole
heck of alot of software to choose from and power supply was built-in to the
printer.
On the plus side: You could run CP/M on it, and yes, playing all those
Colecovision games on it was a blast too. I think the normal retail price on
the system was $599, but it quickly dropped to $499 the first year, and by
the time it was headed out the stores you could snag one for $199. There's
still a couple of ADAM user's groups out there, just have to search the web
for them.
At 02:57 PM 12/20/97, you wrote:
>And for the crowning glory: A complete (hardware, software, and books)
>Coleco ADAM computer! I don't recall hearing this machine mentioned on the
>list as of yet (but I could be wrong), but it's an interesting machine! 80K
>Ram, 4Mhz Z-80, built-in 10cps daisy-wheel printer, all of the original
>dox, 2 keyboards, joysticks and a single 256K digital datassette drive. The
>drive allowed random access to the information on the tape (tho it was
>slower than floppy, for sure). It also had a copy of ADAMCalc w/dox, and a
>boxed, unopened extra blank digital tape, and an extra keyboard. I have not
>tested this yet, but it looks to be in perfect working order.
>
>This thing would even handle all of the original ColecoVision cartridges,
>so it should make a nice game box as well!
- John Higginbotham
- limbo.netpath.net
Well it's been awhile and things have slow. One of my finds yesterday was
AT&T UNIX PC with KB and mouse. Unit powers up find but then wants a logon
id and password, I got the unit at Goodwill for $30 so no manuals or other
information about it. My question is to anyone out there is there a way to
break this protection so that I can get to the harddrive ? This week I
also picked up a LISA with KB and mouse for $15 and it loaded with a OS
>from Sun Remarketing and works great, I also got some upgrade parts for the
LISA and will be installing them so I hope. I picked a large qty of
computers, printers, and other items that do not meet the 10 year
requirement yet but someday will and the prices were too low to pass on, so
I will not list them here yet. Some of the computers in that lot were MAC
Plus's, mice, and KB but I have not tested them yet. Got a TRS-80 model
100 that works but has one missing key that broken off so the guy gave me
the unit for free. Got something called a Tektronix 4211 with kB and mouse
for $5 (someone else got the 19" monitor for it) does anyone know what this
is ?? Also a Pulse Generator Datron SPG2000 unit anyone know this one ?? A
VTECH model L-128PS unit seems to work need to find more info on this one
too. A Apple Peronal Laserwriter NT for $5 but it needs some work powers
on but will not print anything ? A Hitachi CD-rom model CDR-1700S no way
to test this baby yet (it was free). A Laser128 $5 not tested yet, a HP
ThinkJet model 2225C not test yet free, Zenith model ZFA-138-42 free and
not tested yet. Last was a HP 1727A Oscilloscope with manual that works for
$5. I end here as I could write book, I hope to have my web site up in
January there you can see my collection. Keep Computing.
Your Adam is a rarity, if it works. I've got one (I gave away another last
year).
The interesting thing about Adams was the P/S was in the (serial daisy
wheel (!!)) printer.
manney(a)nwohio.com
Well, it seems that my Series/1 is not working right. I plugged it in and
turned it on, and everything(CPU, FD, small HD and I/O unit) SEEMS to be
working OK. Except that it won't boot. I took all the cards except CPU, FD
controller and 4978 terminal I/O cards out and setup the floppy drive as
the primary IPL device. Threw in a floppy labeled IPL(unknown if it really
is), set the CPU to auto-IPL on primary device, the LED's on the
programmer's panel lit up and did a few things and then it freezes(I waited
a around 15 minutes before I gave up) with LED's 8, 9, 10, 13 and 15 on.
Nothing happens at all, when the Series/1 is powered up the 4978 terminal
displays a "=" in the top left corner and does nothing. Right now I'm not
sure if the problem is in the CPU or floppy drive(I haven't had time to
clean out the floppy drive). Does anyone have any idea what's going wrong
or know someone who would know? I think the system was originally setup to
IPL from one of it's four 200MB hard drives, which are still up in the
garage(and I can't plug it in because of only 1 220v outlet. not good with
three racks needing power) along with two tape drives and another 4959
expansion unit. Well, at least it was free...
-JR http://members.tripod.com/~jrollins/index.htmlhttp://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/1681/
I'd like to buy your disks (no manuals needed.) e-mail me.
manney(a)nwohio.com
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> From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> To: Manney
> Subject: Re: Finds and info needed
> Date: Saturday, December 20, 1997 1:29 PM
>
> Greetings,
> I have a PILE read manymany, copies ofDOS 4.0x and 5.0 MD-DOS for the
Laser
> Machines...anybody want 720k disks? GRIN the DOS 4 has a MS-DOS Manual
and
> the DOS 5.0 is on 5 5/14 INCH disks..
> looking for Osborne III (for no apparent reason) or any ready ANY amount
of
> $$ to further the collection..not looking to get rich but save cubic
space
> in the storage unit..well thats the secret isn't it
>
> Take care
>
> Bill Marx
> billm(a)teleport.com
From: Desie Hay
Email: desieh(a)southcom.com.au
museum_curator(a)hotmail.com
can anybody help me find a lisa video daughtercard for my lisa 2/10 i
would be very greatful
how can i tell if my floppy controller is stuffed, i mean on mine it
could be that or the floppy drive itself, the floppy drive glows so it is
getting power....
anybody got a Lisa 1 they want to sell....
Has anyone got a service manual handy for a MiniScribe 3438P?
I yanked one from an XT clone to use with my SwTPC S/09, but
it won't format, and the most obvious possible problem is the
jumper settings. There are four that are obviously for drive
selects 0..3, and three others that might be the troublemakers.
I've tried some random settings, and in most of them it comes
up to speed okay, selects, and then after about three seconds
starts a probably unhealthy wobbling, sounding as if it is rapidly
seeking a million different tracks, one after the other. In
at least one setting, it doesn't always recognize when it has
got up to speed, and continues ramping up to a frightening pitch.
With the jumpers set as they were in the XT, it selects okay,
but I get error messages any time I try to read, write, or
format the thing. It still works okay in the XT though.
Anyway, help would be appreciated. I've already searched the
web quite a bit. Found some specs, and a thread in which people
were looking for the right settings to use in a PC, but nothing
about what the jumpers mean (or how to set them for an S/09!).
In other news, I recently realized that I can upgrade my S/09's
memory just by slapping 4164's into the unused IC sockets. I
had a few lying around, so it got an immediate 64K upgrate. 192K
more is on order. I can still remember when this would have
cost money! :-)
Cheers!
Bill.
i saw a complete tandem computer system for sale for $8 today. it has the
usual desktop case, a monitor and two external 5.25 floppy drives with what
appears to be a seagate mfm drive with each floppy drive! the system is
complete, and everything is connected together, but was unable to test it. is
this thing worth getting, or is it just another pc compatible? i have plenty
of xt and 286 variants to keep me going for a long time. if its something
else, or has significant historical value, i'll go get it.
david
I just got an IBM Series/1! This is going to be fun, but it's going to take
a long time to get running. It's filled with more dust than I've ever seen
in a computer, and it uses 230v which means I don't have much of a choice
of where to plug it into. And the manuals... That's going to take WEEKS to
go through! But hey, I got four 200MB hard drives, a 4956-K00 CPU, a few
I/O units and an 8 inch floppy drive out of it! Whheee! I LOVE those 8 inch
drives!
OK, thats going to take a while to sort through everything. On to the PC card.
I found this strange 8-bit card labeled:
Scan Doubler S/N 1179
PGS P/N8403001
It has two DB-9 connectors on the end, and it was pulled from an old PC.
It's probably about a half length card. Any ideas on what it is? I was
thinking some sort of dual-monitor video card...
TIA
On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:47:09 +0000 (GMT),
Tony Duell <ard(a)odin.phy.bris.ac.uk> wrote:
>>Yes they are (at least, they are on all my RK05's). It's easiest to remove
>>the entire front panel from the drive (4 Phillips screws), when you can
>>trivially see the PCB that holds the switches and the lamps. The lamps
>>plug into little sockets on the PCB - just pull them straight out.
>>We call these lamps T 1 3/4 (That's 'T' one and three quarters) bi-pin
>>bulbs in the UK. No idea what they're called elsewhere.
The T 1-3/4 size exists here in the US, too, but I most frequently I see
it in referring to LEDs. The T 1-3/4 incandescent bulb size is E-5 (for
5mm), I think.
Anyway, so long as I am replacing these lights, why can't I replace them
with amber LEDs? I figure that I can plug an LED-resistor combo into the
same socket and tune the brightness with the resistor. I remember reading
somewhere that the lamp power is 8v. I'll test it first, but does this sound
right?
Thanks for the info, Tony.
Rich Cini/WUGNET
Charter ClubWin! Member
MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
Hello -
I am still using my HP 71. Do you want to sell your HP 71 service
manual?
John
> I remember that at the HP calculator conference 5 years ago I bought an
> HP71 service manual. Now, this manual is not common, and it came in the
> original shrink-wrap. Having got it, I ripped off said shrink-wrap, opened
> the manual, and started reading. You see, I didn't buy the manual as an
> example of HP shrink-wrap. I bought it to learn about the HP71. And that's
> something you can only do when you've opened the manual.
>
> >
> > No flame wars please, just the random philosophical question...
>
> Well, it's your machine, so you have to decide what to do in the end...
>
> >
> > -jim
>
> -tony
>
>
>
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Speaking of Osbornes, I recently ran across an Osborne 4 (I didn't
even know they went that high), in a nice blue and white molded plastic
case. The keyboard (kinda small) flipped open on hinges to reveal a
9"display, and couple drives (I think there were two), and given the
portables of the time it was reatively light! Was able to attempt a
power-up but no display... Bummer at $15 It almost went for the VFC 2.0
sale booth.. :)
===================================================================
Did some updating to the PET FAQ, some notes on how to program sound.
including a table of the notes you can produce, a listing of the
extremely small but useful tape2disk program, etc. Next probably will
be PET memory maps (all three ROMs, orogonal upgrade and 4.0); I have
been attempting this the lazy route of scanning them in, but the books I
have all use such small point sizes that the OCR program has problems
translating. I will try to use a copier to enlarge them someday soon.
I have cleared space on one of my desks (my brother is now a proud
owner of a complete Amiga 500 system, which of course, I will still have
access to) to set up a PET after a few years without easy access to
one. This PET (32k upgrade ROMs) needs some work as one program keeps
locking it up, I suspect it may be one of the 6520s... It also needs to
have the RAM checked (anyone know a source for 4116-4s?) Once I get
comfortable working with this one I'll switch and see about getting the
SuperPET running and also the original PET (which I really want to get
to, as I now have an EPROM programmer to read the ROMs with.)
Another recent arrival is a package from DigiKey of 10-12/24 edgeboard
connectors, for making a PET joystick adaptor, a mini-networking project
I've been thinking about, and I may try this 'PET composite Video
Adapter' I have plans for to see if it actually does not work as Enrico
has warned me...
The PET shares space with a VIC-20 (also recently set-up) and maybe if
I can squeeze it in, a Plus/4 too.. Then I would have a large portion
of the Commodore 8-bit models runnable (C128, C-64,
Plus/4, VIC-20, PET). Some of my plans would be to refine my disk
collections and work up some menus and utilites for each of the machines
(including some sort of standardized compression/archive utility).
I am anxiously awaiting the new year as many more families upgrade
their older systems to something more contemporary and take their older
ones to yard sales, flea markets, and thrift shops (or maybe call me to
take them off their hands.)... ;)
Larry Anderson
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Found this on Usenet. Can anyone help this fellow out? I know I've got
at least one spare MicroVAX II CPU, possibly an 11/73...
Please reply directly to the author. Thanks! Attachment follows.
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From: aceware(a)iinet.net.au (Tony Epton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: WTB: 11/73 cpu chips or cards or repair. Ditto MicroVax II
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 20:52:13 GMT
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We have four 11/73 cpu cards in our museum collection which will run
the ODT but cannot execute any instructions. We suspect the CPU chips.
Can anyone source the cpu chips or the entire board at a reasonable
price or service the boards at a reasonable price.
Ditto MicroVax II cpu boards.
Thanks
Tony Epton
President
Australian Computer Museum Association (WA Branch)
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The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fido 1:343/272)
kyrrin2 {at} wiz<ards> d[o]t n=e=t
"...No matter how hard we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe
an object, event, or living creature, in our own human terms. It cannot possibly
define any of them!..."
It looks like I may have a line on a couple (maybe three) of PDP-8/E CPUs,
and while I intend to pickup one of them for my collection, it may make
the deal easier if I take more than one (perhaps all) of them.
So... anyone out there looking for a PDP-8/E to call their own?
At the moment, I'm trying to gauge interest. Prices have not been
finalized yet, and they are on the East Coast, so shipping will be a
consideration as well.
If you are interested, please drop me a note (please don't reply to the
list) and indicate what one would be worth to you, and what options you
want (need) to have...
At present, it appears that all of the available units will have at least
16k of core, and EAE.
The units are reported to be in good condition, recently removed from
service. CPU chassis (box) only, (to save on shipping) none of the 6
foot 'corporate' racks... (unless someone *really* wants one)
-jim
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I'm getting ready to kill the other account (dseagrav(a)tek-star.net).
If you want to mail me, please mail me here (dseagrav(a)toad.xkl.com).
The tek-star account will be active for a little longer, maybe a week.
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Thanks. I owe you one. Now.... if I could only get the ROM. (I don't
currenlty own one; but they're really cool. When I got my hands on one;
they were old and outdated, at a friends house. At the time, I had no
respects for classics.)
Bye,
Tim D. Hotze
-----Original Message-----
From: kroma <kroma(a)worldnet.att.net>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Wednesday, December 17, 1997 5:21 PM
Subject: Apple //gs emulator
>
>
>
>>Does anyone know 'bout an emulator for a IIGS? (For x86)
>
>
>There is XGS. Its available at http://www.jurai.org/~funaho/emulators/XGS/
>
> -- Kirk
>
>
At 10:48 PM 12/16/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Any tips to find out if this already does have or not:
>hardware upgrades, etc? Because I can not open it up on site and
>does not have anything, no boot disk, no power cord. Just that.
I don't know, I'm afraid. (I think, though, that it uses a standard IEC
line cord? Or is my memory gone?)
>All I do is letting you know if anyone is interested in this Osborne.
If I were lucky enough to be going to Canada any time soon, I buy it off
you, but I already have several, and can't really justify the shipping
costs. (Especially right now. 8^( )
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
Having just received the donation of a Wang 2200 mini for the Windsor
Science Centre, (no documentation of course,) am wondering if anyone can
give me any information on it?
We also received a Kim-1, but lots of info on that.
Thanks
Charlie Fox
Does anyone know 'bout an emulator for a IIGS? (For x86)
-----Original Message-----
From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Wednesday, December 17, 1997 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: Good price for //gs system?
>
>Actually that doesn't sound like two bad of a price for a bare bones //gs,
>especially if it includes the Keyboard and _Mouse_ (as both work on any Mac
>SE or newer, there is demand just for them). I did some looking a few
>months ago when I was looking for a //gs, and the average seemed to be $250
>at that time, needless to say I didn't spend that.
>
>Everynow and then I see them at GoodWill, and that's where I got one, I
>think it cost me about $50 for a ROM.01, with a 1Mb card, and monitor. The
>drives go for $10-15 at the local GW, but I had drives, keyboard, mouse and
>manuals from a previous deal I'd gotten at an auction. You can get the
>Operating System off of Apple's web site (I forget where).
>
>If it's got a 4Mb RAM card, a SCSI card, or an accelerated CPU I say it's
>definitly worth the price.
>
>On the other had I personally don't see them being worth that much, they
>seem to be rather inflated in price typically. They are a very cool
>computer though. IIRC there are a couple businesses selling them for about
>$500, how is that for inflated!
>
> Zane
>
>>For that price it should have 4megs. Im a //gs user as well
>>
>>
>>> I found a guy on comp.sys.apple2 selling //gs systems. $125 + S/H for a
>>very
>>> clean ROM.03 version with both 51/4 and 31/2 floppy drives, an RGB
>>monitor,
>>> keyboard, and all cables.
>>>
>>> Since this is my first time looking at the //gs's, how does that price
>>> sound? He also has ROM.01 versions.
>>>
>>> Rich Cini/WUGNET
>>> Charter ClubWin! Member
>>> MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator |
>| healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast |
>| healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector |
>+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
>| For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
>| see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |
>| For the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. |
>| see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/museum.html |
>
>
For that price it should have 4megs. Im a //gs user as well
----------
> From: Richard A. Cini <rcini(a)email.msn.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Good price for //gs system?
> Date: Tuesday, December 16, 1997 2:14 PM
>
> I found a guy on comp.sys.apple2 selling //gs systems. $125 + S/H for a
very
> clean ROM.03 version with both 51/4 and 31/2 floppy drives, an RGB
monitor,
> keyboard, and all cables.
>
> Since this is my first time looking at the //gs's, how does that price
> sound? He also has ROM.01 versions.
>
> Rich Cini/WUGNET
> Charter ClubWin! Member
> MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
>
>
>
>
The AC adapter is still available from Radio Shack although at a premium price - about $25. There is also a 16K memory add-on that can sometimes be found used on the net.
Bob
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From: SUPRDAVE[SMTP:SUPRDAVE@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 1997 10:05 AM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: new additions: tandy mc10
just acquired a little computer called a trs80 model mc-10. at first i though
it was a timex sinclair variant, but it really seems to be a baby coco. doesnt
look to be expandable though and of course, i'm missing the ac adaptor. anyone
have additional info?
david
At 11:49 PM 12/13/97 +0000, you wrote:
>recently saw a Osborne
>that uses coiled keyboard cable with that dinky teesy monitor at $24.
>Passed it for that stupid price (pirate!) (How can I tell
>without powering it or open the shells up for custom internal
Is that canadian $? Osbornes seem to regularly sell on ebay for US$100+;
$24 doesn't seem like such a bad investment. (You could get that much for
it even if it didn't work.
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
Before I start tearing apart my two "new" RK05 drives, can anyone tell me if
the panel lamps are removable without soldering? I have a copule of lamps
that need to be replaced and I can't see too well into the cavity.
Also, I'm looking to get rid of two DEC 200/MC remote access concentrators
and a Multi-Tech modem rack. The modem rack is cool, filled with 12, 2400
baud modems. I got these as part of a 6' equipment rack (which is now filled
with a PDP11/34a).
Also, just an aside. I sent the now-infamous Altair scans tape to Bill
Whitson. I would assume that in the next two weeks they should be posted to
the ftp site (assuming that they pass Bill's tests!)
Rich Cini/WUGNET
Charter ClubWin! Member
MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
just acquired a little computer called a trs80 model mc-10. at first i though
it was a timex sinclair variant, but it really seems to be a baby coco. doesnt
look to be expandable though and of course, i'm missing the ac adaptor. anyone
have additional info?
david
>just acquired a little computer called a trs80 model mc-10. at first i though
>it was a timex sinclair variant, but it really seems to be a baby coco. doesnt
>look to be expandable though and of course, i'm missing the ac adaptor. anyone
>have additional info?
I might be able to help - I came across one recently but haven't had the
chance to stop by to pick it up. Anyway, the MC-10 or Micro Color Computer
(I assume they are the same thing here - if I'm wrong please discount any
comments I make here) cost around $120 when first released, and it was
intended to compete with the Timex and VIC-20. (And, I imagine, the TI 99/2
- did any of these ever appear?) I don't know of its success as such, but
as I have only seen the one I suspect it was far from great, especially
considering that it was released late (for a ultra-cheap throw-away
computer) against stiff competition. According to my info, video was 16
lines by 32 characters (uppercase only) with 8 colours. Apparantly there
were also 16 graphics characters. It came with 4k RAM, expandable to 16K,
and used the Motorola 6803. It has sound, but I have no idea about how
good it was, and, as per normal, used cassettes for storage.
They look keen, anyway. The one I am after was marked at $100 - they tried
to tell me that was the price. I doubt it was much more here when new. :) I
managed to talk them down to $15, but that was $14 more than I had on me -
so I need to go back and get one of my own. Maybe this weekend.
Hope that helps,
Adam.
Dear Sir:
I have been looking for someone to format and copy some hard disks used
on an iRMX system.
I noticed that you mentioned a company - InBUS - that repaired some of
your equipment. I searched for references to them but found nothing
promising.
Perhaps you sitll have some information about them. If so would you be
so kind as to pass along their contact info?
At any rate I hope it all worked out for you. Ahhh... the joys of
"Legacy Equipment"!
thanks,
Jim Feld
Hathaway Industrial Automation
