- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<>landfills. Badly yellowed board and plastic, crumbling at a touch, <>all traces gone, thin parts eaten away, thick layer rust covering <>seized up drives, riddled with rustout holes in cases, blackened <>glass. Hard and darkened as soapstone that once was solder joints. <>Mass of green strings with bits of faded colored platic material Actually there are people that have looked into landfills that are in the 100-200 years old range and they have found things in an amazing state of preservation. Some cases there were newspapers in the middle of the stack that were as fresh as printed in appearance. Yet in another layer old papers were completely composted. I'd suspect that old technology would be found the same way, some just oxidized piles and others completly intact. Allison

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by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> Roger Ivie wrote: > > > > >It'll be nice when Caldera follows up on their promise to release the > > >source code for CP/M and DR-DOS (now OpenDOS). _That_ will definitely > > >have some results on-topic for this mailing list. > http://cdl.uta.edu/cpm/ > > My ISP's nameserver can't track that down. And I tried filling it in as > "utah" as well, knowing the approximate geography of Caldera. This is the unofficial CP/M site; it's not run by Caldera, but by someone who was willing to argue with Caldera long enough to get permission to put the stuff up. It's being hosted by a machine at University of Texas at Arlington: UTA. Here's what my machine gives me when i nslookup cdl.uta.edu: Name: dave.uta.edu Address: 129.107.2.554 Aliases: cdl.uta.edu > I'd post > that private, but now that I _know_ that the OpenDOS kernel source is at > the caldera.com site (and is only marginally within our charter), the > CP/M source location becomes crucial to maintaining my self-respect in > this forum. Or something like that. IIRC, the CP/M 2.2 sources are available _somewhere_ on the caldera site, but they're password protected and you have to find the right form to submit to get the password, etc. The unofficial site includes source to CP/M 2.2, 3.0, and 68K... Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

28 years, 3 months

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by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

Out of curiosity has anyone else with web pages dealing with classic computers been contacted by someone that wants to dispose of your collection as scrap? Talk about insulting! Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ | | For the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/museum.html |

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Linux???? is it real

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

>>Ummm... RedHat, Caldera, and Debian can all use RPMS. Packages that >> aren't RPMed are usually .tar.gz or .tgz and can be installed by RTFMing. >Thanks, just wondering... :) But when I use the program to manage >all s/w much like the win95's feature, will this kind still work? I don't know about the others, but pre-install Debian has a program that lets you choose filesystem types. There are also options on dselect. (Debian's version of RPM. It's a lot simplier, but still more powerful than NT will be for sometime to come.) Tim D. Hotze

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by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> they go to landfill. You see, at our local landfills there is a company > called Revolve that has scavenging rights, and rescues all this stuff. > I've picked up a Tandy CoCo 3 with box, manuals and some software, a > Commodore 64 with Datasette, music keyboard overlay, manuals, software and > box, a Commodore 128, a Commodore 1541-II and 1571 floppy drive,a BBC Model > B with floppy drive, an Atari 1024STfm with monitor, a Amstrad CPC464 with > monitor and an Apple IIe with disk drive, all for about $5 to $10 each. > All of them except the Atari ST worked fine at first switch-on (the ST > still doesn't work - I suspect a memory fault). I also managed to pick > up four Vectrex cartridges for $2. It's now got to the point that > people often drop their stuff off directly at Revolve rather than > dumping it at the landfill (especially now the local government has > instituted a fee to dump stuff at the landfill). > > Of course, the only problem is that since all the stuff is stored outside > you have to get to it before the rain hits... You lucky beggar! I wish there was something like that around here (central England)! Rain is not as bad as many people think. The water is (fairly) pure, and things often only need drying. When I upgraded my Commodore 8296 to an 8296D, the parts came from a machine in the skip at work - some of them I had to dig out of the snow... Philip.

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by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Sure. I've seen 486/33DX systems with 4MB of RAM and Windows 3.1 go for around $275. So 386's don't sell for that... but still... and you could sell high-end 486's for much more than that. Heck, AMD even made the X5, a 586 compatible processor for 486/DX4 motherboards that works at 133MHz. Those go for around $500. -----Original Message----- From: jpero(a)cgo.wave.ca <jpero(a)cgo.wave.ca> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 9:18 AM Subject: Re: I don't believe this **** > That's TERRIBLE. I mean 486 parts can even get SOLD AS-IS for a decent sum > of money. The whole system goes for a couple hundred. So if they're going > to scrap 'em.... but anyway, lots of schools, non-profit orginazations, etc. > would love to have decent 386's, and 486's would be better. Sure, you can't > play Quake on 'em, but a 386 was designed with 10 years of x86 software in > mind. Yepper! I would beat up that one because of several things also real nice to donate those to schools, etc and including me looking for some parts to fix some other items. AS IS at that price? No way! Jason D.

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by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Oops... well, scratch that. but the Romans DID conquer, the Eqyptians DID kill, the Sumerians did a few things, and the Greeks... well, let's just say that they didn't really mind war. OK? -----Original Message----- From: Wirehead Prime <wirehead(a)retrocomputing.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 7:14 AM Subject: Re: I don't believe this **** > > >> And, as history has proven, it is easy to destroy, as the Romans, >> Egyptians, Sumerians, and Greeks did, but it is so hard to CREATE and >> PRESERVE. That's why we must try to save these things. Eventually, when > >Uhhhhhhh....hmmmmmmm...never mind, it'd be off topic. > >Anthony Clifton - Wirehead >

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UNIX questions?

by pvhp＠forte.com

classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Subj: Re: UNIX questions? Barry Peterson wrote: !On Sun, 4 Jan 98 01:17:06 PST, you said: ! !<snip> ! !>A web page discussing flavors and ports !>at http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/BSD-info/BSD.html seems to be inaccesible !>at this time.=20 ! !I just checked it; it's there. Thanks for the reminder, I can see it now too. Bruce Lane had a question about netbooting BSD on a DEC 3100 MIPs machine. I thought that I had squirreled away some info on it - but it turns out to be pertinent to VAX not MIPs. If it is of any use to anyone herein was the posting to the linux-vax list from this past Oct 6: !=================== begin include 8< ======================= Sender: linux-vax(a)ise.canberra.edu.au Precedence: bulk From: Brian Chase <brianc(a)carpediem.com> To: pvhp(a)forte.com Subject: VAXstation Netboot HOWTO Update. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Linux Vax Port List I've made some minor content modifications to the VAXstation Netboot HOWTO. More are on the way as hopefully the IRIX, Solaris, and NeXTSTEP sections are completed. I've reworked the HOWTO using the Linux Documentation Project's SGML-tools. So now the HOWTO comes in a slighly different plain text flavor and a super-nifty HTML version. http://www.carpediem.com/~brianc/projects/vaxen/VAXstation-netboot-HOWTO http://www.carpediem.com/~brianc/projects/vaxen/VAXstation-netboot-HOWTO.ht… -brian. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian D. Chase Systems Coordinator brian.chase(a)carpediem.com -- Compression, Inc. - 13765 Alton Pkwy, Suite B - Irvine, CA 92618, USA -- !====================== end include ======================== Peter Prymmer

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by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

>It'll be nice when Caldera follows up on their promise to release the >source code for CP/M and DR-DOS (now OpenDOS). _That_ will definitely >have some results on-topic for this mailing list. http://cdl.uta.edu/cpm/ Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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by scott＠isd.canberra.edu.au

At 21:25 5/01/98 -0600, Anthony Clifton wrote: > >> Anything other than 486+ >> get's melted down for scrap? I'm sorry, but that includes A LOT of systems >> that there are a lot of people that would love to have them. > >You guys know that I agree with your sentiment 100%. That said, I'd >rather see the systems melted down for scrap (assuming it's a reasonably >efficient and environmentally safe process) than to see them go into a >landfill. I can't imagine how many beautiful systems are rusting away >under 3 million tons of garbage someplace. I don't want to see them >scrapped either, mind you, but given the choice.... Actually, here in Canberra (which is the capital of Australia, *not* Sydney or Melbourne (off topic, but one of my pet peeves, sorry)), I'd much prefer they go to landfill. You see, at our local landfills there is a company called Revolve that has scavenging rights, and rescues all this stuff. I've picked up a Tandy CoCo 3 with box, manuals and some software, a Commodore 64 with Datasette, music keyboard overlay, manuals, software and box, a Commodore 128, a Commodore 1541-II and 1571 floppy drive,a BBC Model B with floppy drive, an Atari 1024STfm with monitor, a Amstrad CPC464 with monitor and an Apple IIe with disk drive, all for about $5 to $10 each. All of them except the Atari ST worked fine at first switch-on (the ST still doesn't work - I suspect a memory fault). I also managed to pick up four Vectrex cartridges for $2. It's now got to the point that people often drop their stuff off directly at Revolve rather than dumping it at the landfill (especially now the local government has instituted a fee to dump stuff at the landfill). Of course, the only problem is that since all the stuff is stored outside you have to get to it before the rain hits... Regards, | Scott McLauchlan |"Sometimes the need to mess with their heads| |Information Services Division| outweighs the millstone of humiliation." | | University of Canberra |__________Fox_Mulder_"The_X-Files:_Squeeze"_| | scott(a)isd.canberra.edu.au |http://www.canberra.edu.au/~scott/home.html |

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by Zeus334＠aol.com

On the subject of scrapping systems, I found too late that an IBM Convertible had gone to the trash. I didn't get to use it, and I only now found the original notepad-address book-etc. program on the IBM ftp site. I once had a computer store in the neighborhood that threw away dozens of machines (empty PC cases, mostly) each day. That moved away :( I often am forced to leave machines where they are, just because I can't have dozens of 386's and 286's in my apartment, but it's a shame. If they were lighter, I would give them to people. Now, I have a relative in NJ who says that his company throws away 486s. So much for affirmative action. One last thing. I keep seeing people mention how they get dozens of CoCos for free, find them in shops for $5, etc. Look, I have never even SEEN a CoCo, and I live in Boston, MA, where I thought there were lots of computers. I would love to run an enhanced CoCo. The worst thing is, back when that computer store was still here, I didn't know what to take. Maybe they were throwing away PDP-11s and Alphas and Crays, I will never know.

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by pvhp＠forte.com

classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Subj: Re: UNIX questions? Tony Duell wrote: >Ob classic-computer-OS. I agree with some other messages on this list - a >Linux/minix port to the PDP11 would be very nice. The PDP11 is just about >unique in that it's a popular classic computer with _no_ freely >distributable OS (in fact, unless you have the license transferred, you >can't even legally run what it was running before you got it). Now that >CP/M is jsut about free for home use, as is LDOS (for the TRS-80), OS8, >Linux, Minix (for educational use), etc, it appears that the PDP11 is the >machine that's left out of all this. I am not sure if things were different for the DEC OSes for the PDP-11 but for VMS (VAX & AXP) one can legally run the OS and attendant utilities (DECnet & the DCL shell) with transfer of ownership. To be legal you have to purchase new license PAKs and/or new distributions for any of the layered products which includes all the interesting compilers, DBses etc. BTW to Bruce Lane regarding BSDs: A web page discussing flavors and ports at http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/BSD-info/BSD.html seems to be inaccesible at this time. For money you could try Ultrix as in: http://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/DECinfo/.2/SPD/26.40.32.txt - and I thought digital was no longer selling ultrix products (?) Peter Prymmer

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old Bernoulli stuff

by KFergason＠aol.com

does anyone need some old Bernoulli 8in 20MB Flexible Disk Cartridges? I got about 45 of them, plus a cleaning kit. The company was gonna toss 'em. Let me know if you are interested. Kelly KFergason(a)aol.com

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Visicalc

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 12:05 PM 1/3/98 -0800, Lynn & Mike wrote: >> Two thousand yeare since Bethlehem and still we hear the lie, >> that after years of hopes and fears the best part's when we die. > >Yup, that's what I used to think. I felt sorry for all those poor [...] >have an open mind, all we can do is try) -- will become His followers. This is *definitely* not the list for this nonsense. (Still, I'll note that if you believe that stuff, you shouldn't believe in computers, let alone use them. If you want to continue this off-list, feel free to drop me a private note.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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operating systems

by higginbo＠netpath.net

The biggest chunk of my collection are games that I no longer have boxes for, etc. Let alone original disks or license agreements. Heck, I think even most of the companies are out of business by now. Anyone remember Datasoft? Epyx? At 06:39 AM 1/6/98 +0300, you wrote: >OK... I've got a Cyrix 200, so give me your games. ;-) (Implying that you >give me the listences, without them "installed" on any other machine) Or, >if you've got some sharware.... -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

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by photze＠batelco.com.bh

OK... I've got a Cyrix 200, so give me your games. ;-) (Implying that you give me the listences, without them "installed" on any other machine) Or, if you've got some sharware.... -----Original Message----- From: John Higginbotham <higginbo(a)netpath.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 9:08 PM Subject: Re: operating systems >At 08:48 AM 1/5/98 -0600, you wrote: > >>Two, that today's computers run old software too quickly - that doesn't >>sound like archaic software to me, if it's running directly on today's >>machines and OSes. > >Try loading up Buck Rogers and the Planet of Zoom! on a Cyrix 200 and see >how well it plays. Same goes for Frogger. :) They run blindingly fast, >making them utterly worthless unless you use one of those slowdown utils, >but most of those only run right on 486s. > > Three, that ancient games don't "hurt" today's >>software market. Doing what? > >Doing what? Being available for "free" (illegally) out there for people to >get to them. The fact that people are still playing them doesn't affect >today's game market at all. It's a whole different ballpark out there these >days. > >>so ... so, you say they should give up on them? A tenth of something is >>still something. > >But repackaging the games and shipping them would up the price to at least >$10.00 a piece, and you would have to come up with a cheap way to make sure >the games ran at original speed on all systems, another few bucks for R&D >right there, so you'll probably end up spending $50.00 for a compilation CD >with maybe 10 games on it, and nothing else. (Can you say "Roberta Williams >Sierra Compilation"?) > >Why not release the games as shareware, with no set ammount defined? People >could pay what the game is worth to them. I think Maxis did that with the >original SimCity. > >>Don't get me wrong and think I'm just flaming you... I agree, I wish > >Oh, not at all. I expected alot more flak from people when I started this >thread, but was suprised at how well the members of the list are taking it. >(so far) > > >- John Higginbotham >- limbo.netpath.net >

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Wives and hobbies (was: UNIX questions?)

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

First off, this goes for husbands too, since I'm sure there are women on this list (but I don't pay much attention to irrelevancies like that). At 07:01 PM 1/4/98 -0600, you wrote: >No no no. My wife, who is not at all into computers (still seems to pick >up stuff fast and I don't have to tell her how to do something more than >once usually), LOVES my hobby of collecting computers. [...] >Plus, she knows I won't give her a hard time about collecting Barbies, >books and pets...because she's so understanding about my hobby. Here's a tip: even cheaper than finding an SO with a hobby (I know what Barbies and books can go for!) find a *good*, dedicated teacher. You'll have evenings and weekends all to yourself while he/she does homework, does lesson plans, etc. Of course, there are downsides -- like getting up at 6am to drive her to school to drop off the 12page substitute teacher plans she stayed up all night doing (and to do an hours' worth of work) when she's too sick too go to school. 8^) Of course, if you want understanding *and* free time, find a teacher who collects something. That gets expensive though. (Donald Duck stuff can be even more expensive than Barbies, and there's more of it!) 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Frank Knows his stuff was Re: What is this HP 9000/220?

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 11:52 PM 1/2/98 -0800, you wrote: >some of the configuration tools) that you will be using an HP terminal >that supports block mode, which (approximately) lets the application Different commands from vt100 block mode of course. Most terminal emulators *don't* include HP terminal emulation. (I've got Walker Richer & Quinn's Reflections, so who cares. Though, there was a program back in the late 80's for the Atari ST that featured HP emulation; wish I'd bought a copy then!) >> What is the shell like? > >The MPE command interpreter...well, I can't speak for the MPE/iX CI. >I haven't used it enough. MPE/iX (newer version for the new CPU models) is pretty much the same as good old MPE, but with some of the extensions MPEX thought up tacked on. >Well, you get EDIT/3000, which is a line-oriented editor that is >suitable for use on all manner of terminals, even the printing ones. Actually, EDIT/3000 isn't suitable for much at all. 8^) Much like MS-DOS's EDLIN. >(e.g. Robelle's QEDIT, which lots of 3000 folks swear by). Some of us actually say our daily prayers to the Robelle Gods. Probably my favorite aspect of MPE is file equations. You can define a name and point it to just about anything, adding on a lot of control and options and stuff. For example, you could say: File Fred = Barney07.bed.rock;rec=-80,,f,ascii;disc=10000 which would mean that whenever you referenced fred (or *fred sometimes) the computer would actually use the file Barney07 in the Bed group of the Rock account (the file structure is a little wierd) and it would have an 80-byte, fixed length, ASCII (not binary) record and a limit of 10000 records in the file. You can also point to printers: File laser;dev=141,1,3 which would mean that "laser" would refer to the device on port 141, have an output priority of 1 (very low) and have 3 copies. (Note: I may have my syntax a little fouled up; that's why I use the online help a lot.) You can even reference yourself: File Me=$StdList;rec=-132,,f,ascii;nocctl which means Me is my stdlist (my screen) which has a 132 byte record (fixed-length, ascii) and doesn't use carriage control. Of course, if you're feeling really non-productive, you can do: File Output = $null 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Frank Knows his stuff was Re: What is this HP 9000/220?

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 09:51 PM 1/2/98 PST, you wrote: >I am brimming with curiosity about the MPE OS: What is it like? > Frank is probably better off answering this than I, but... MPE is a great OS. Been around since the mid-70's, I believe. The HP3000 series of computers is (I think) somewhat comparable to the DEC PDP series. Two things you simply shouldn't be without on a 3000: Qedit and MPEX. Qedit is an incredible editor while MPEX extends the capabilities of the OS. Lots of third party support, very popular in the business side of things (accounting depts., etc.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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colorizing is evil

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 10:45 PM 1/2/98 +0000, you wrote: >> >get all those pretty colors... (Thank goodness *somebody*'s coloring all >> >those boring old black and white movies! 8^) >> >Oh, coloring those b/w shows and movies ruined it because quality and >appearance looked offish to me. The original NTSC b/w is what is >original format designed for TV's in old days and it looked better Just for the record... That was a *joke* about colorizing movies! It should be illegal, punishable by drawing & quarterign. Movies made in b&w (well, good ones, anyway) made use of the b&w; colorizing kills a lot of what the director worked so hard for. Just did't want anyone thinking I actually *liked* colorized movies... 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Linux???? is it real

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<1. 386 or 486 box with AMI (American Megatrends) BIOS. I've had some Exactly a AMI 386 is what I have. <2. RAM is relatively unimportant BUT if you do not have more than 4 me <you will need to go through a procedure to turn on your swap space BEFO <running the install or it will crash and die. 8meg of ram <3. Do NOT try doing the Linux running out of an MS-DOS directory on yo <first install. I've NEVER done this nor do I suspect it's that pleasan Not being done. <4. Use IDE hard drives until you know enough about doing installs. Th <you can use SCSI more effectively. I was given today a 420meg IDE drive to replace the EDSI unit I had. <5. If your BIOS can deal with the drive, Linux can too...with CERTAIN <exceptions...on some BIOSs you're given the choice of using Normal, Lar <or LBA for block addressing. Sometimes you have to try different <settings to get a Linux install to go. Linux may complain if it thinks <the drive has more than 1024 cylinders but the complaint can, <essentially, be ignored these days. This is experience speaking. 826/16/63 vanilla even to dos! <6. Be prepared to turn off caches...internal and external in the BIOS. <Sometimes, especially on newer kernels like Slackware 3.0, you can't ge <the boot floppy to go because it'll crash out and give you stack dump <type information. Try turning off first the external cache and then th <internal cache if that doesn't work. Not all caches are created equal I'm not getting stackdumps. I'm getting all mannor of boot errors related to the filesystem mountability or RW/RO status. <7. Create TWO partitions with fdisk...the sequence looks like this... I have one bootable 389mb linux and the other 16mb swap. <8. If it's formatting the partitions and freaks out complaining that i <can't write inodes or superblocks and gives you a long list of these <complaints...and you have a drive over 2 gigs in size try creating 3 <partitions...the first two of equal size totalling most of the drive an <the last being your swap. Or try a different block addressibility type <in the BIOS. Not a problem I get fully through the setup. <9. There are usually different boot disk types...IDE only, IDE/SCSI, <SCSI only. Make sure you use the IDE only. It's the easiest. IDE is all I have other than floppy. <10. If you want to install off cdrom and the install won't recognize t <drive...wait for the boot prompt when you boot up and type install <hdX=cdrom where X is a,b,c or d which correspond to what you're used to <as Drive C:, D:, E: or F: If it's an IDE-ATAPI type CD-ROM, it should CDrom is not installed, if it were it's a phillips cm205 (unsupported) and not IDE-atapi. the CDrom is in another box (486powered) and the floppies were made from there. <Finally, if someone REALLY REALLY wants to load Linux on a system and i <willing to follow my instructions, be patient with me, realize that I <have a family to support and will send me some trinket in return (S-100 <cards, Shugart SA-400 drives, etc all work) AND are willing to call ME <long-distance I can probably help you out. Email is probably easier. Humm sa400? I may have one in the pile fairly unused. The problem is nothing works as advertized for a vanilla install. This box is as vanilla as they come. AMI 386DX/33, 128k cache, 8mb ram, connor 420mb IDE, 3.5" 1.44 floppy, serial mouse on com1: modem at com2:, DECPA(DE100) NI, TRIDENT 512k SVGA. Runs dos/win3.1 real well(just to prove the hardware works). It's taken a year to scrounge up all the parts to create this system. Allison

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by allisonp＠world.std.com

The idea of using linux as a free OS on aging 386 boxen or as a platform for getting a unix running on older classic platforms has merit. There is one little bug... I've never seen a running linux box nor have I been successful in getting one going. After loading 75 floppies becuase the CDrom I have is not supported I'm more than annoyed and have not found a resource to assist beyond suggesting I'd be better off running microspooge. The latter is insulting and demeaning. On the other hand if someone can prove that working slakware v3.0 really exists I can be swayed. Allison

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I don't believe this ****

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

That's TERRIBLE. I mean 486 parts can even get SOLD AS-IS for a decent sum of money. The whole system goes for a couple hundred. So if they're going to scrap 'em.... but anyway, lots of schools, non-profit orginazations, etc. would love to have decent 386's, and 486's would be better. Sure, you can't play Quake on 'em, but a 386 was designed with 10 years of x86 software in mind. And, as history has proven, it is easy to destroy, as the Romans, Egyptians, Sumerians, and Greeks did, but it is so hard to CREATE and PRESERVE. That's why we must try to save these things. Eventually, when your or my XT is one of the last 60-75, we probably won't be alive, but the future genereations will love seeing a working one. Well, there's my $0.02 on this. Tim D. Hotze -----Original Message----- From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 4:51 AM Subject: Re: I don't believe this **** >>At 07:43 AM 1/5/98 -0800, you wrote: >>>Out of curiosity has anyone else with web pages dealing with classic >>>computers been contacted by someone that wants to dispose of your >>>collection as scrap? Talk about insulting! >>> >>> Zane >> >> No, but sounds like a good candidate for a mail bombing! I suppose he >>wants you to ship it to him at your expense, right? > >I wouldn't doubt it. Here is what she had to say, with my original answer, >I guess I should have added that I was also trying to save them from >individuals like she was talking about. > >Initially I just thought she was fronting for someone that dealt in classic >computers, so her reply REALLY PISSED ME OFF! Anything other than 486+ >get's melted down for scrap? I'm sorry, but that includes A LOT of systems >that there are a lot of people that would love to have them. Besides >considering the fact that some of the systems I've got, like the Atari >TT030 go for several hundred dollars. > >>Hi, Zane. >> >>> >Seems u have a lot of equipment, any surplus that you might give away? I >>> >could get a good price for u, if you are interested. >>> >>> Um, No. It's a hobby, and an attempt to preserve a part of our history >>> that is steadily finding it's way into our landfills. >> >>My local dealer supply old comps or household appliance to iron, alloy >>or plastic mills. They melt them down and supply these to manufacturers. >> >>It's recycling. >> >>486-and-above systems get refurbished... >> >>Regards, >>Crystal. > > >| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | >| healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | >| healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | >+----------------------------------+----------------------------+ >| For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | >| see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ | >| For the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. | >| see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/museum.html | > >

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Source for drive filters

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Just curoius...where does one purchase new filters for DEC RK05 drives? I have three new ones, so I'm not in any immediate need. But, I'd just like to establish a source. Also, since I don't have the maintenance manual yet, what's the hours in service between filter changes? FYI...I contacted Dialight, the manufacturer of the LED replacement lamps for the RK05 drives. The lamps are still manufactured, but they're a "custom" part. Minimum order of each color is 90 at $2.47 each. If anyone is interested, let me know. The sales rep at Dialight is researching the specs on it since she is not familiar with what makes the part custom. Oh yeah, I almost forgot. Last week-end, I got an original Atari 2600 brown console, in the original box. Haven't tried it yet... Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use) ClubWin! Charter Member (6) MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking ============================================

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guilty of piracy? (Was operating systems)

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 04:51 PM 1/5/98 EST, you wrote: >I'm sorry, but if people say it's ok to pirate old games, even more people >than now will start to say, "Well, this game is not that new", and pirate IT. >Now, I have nothing against software piracy on a simple basis: either I get >the program for free, and the compay loses 50 bucks, or I don't get the >program at all, which means that the company is still 50 bucks short. However, >my 14.4 modem helps me keep my morals straight :) I guess we should just take this on a case by case basis. Most home pirates never get caught. The "software cops" always go after the bigtime distributors, people who make the copies and distribute them to others. I don't think it really matters, because people are gonna do what they want to do no matter what (Like me). >How many people do you suppose would buy the original frogger? Even for $5? >Even if someone put a rack of frogger diskettes for free out in CompUSA or >something, how many would take it? I sure as heck would. I never pass up on anything free. I would also pay $5 for the original Frogger if I had an XT or 286 sitting at home. -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

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Wtd: ESDI 3.5" hd + hd ?'s

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

Didnt ESDI come out when the IBM PS/2 announced? In a message dated 98-01-05 21:31:57 EST, you write: << > MFM (early 80's?) Very early 80's, I think, for the ST-506. > RLL (late 80's?) I tend to think of this as a minor variation of MFM, myself :-) > SCSI (late 70's?) The first official-type "SCSI specification" was proposed by an ANSI committee in 1984. It was almost backwards-compatible with SASI (Shugart Associates System|Storage Interface) which had been kicking around since 1978 or 1979. > ESDI (?) Mid-80's > IDE aka "ATA", clostely related to the announcement of the IBM AT... which would put it around 1985 or shortly afterwards? This wasn't really a new standard; the IDE bus interface looks exactly like a WD1002 hooked up to a MFM drive! > any others? The SA4000 and SA1000 interfaces date from the late 70's. And let's not forget the granddaddy of them all, SMD! (CDC, 1975 or so?) And SMD's immediate descendant, the MASSBUS... Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca) >>

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operating systems

by Zeus334＠aol.com

> At 08:48 AM 1/5/98 -0600, you wrote: > > >Two, that today's computers run old software too quickly - that doesn't > >sound like archaic software to me, if it's running directly on today's > >machines and OSes. > > Try loading up Buck Rogers and the Planet of Zoom! on a Cyrix 200 and see > how well it plays. Same goes for Frogger. :) They run blindingly fast, > making them utterly worthless unless you use one of those slowdown utils, > but most of those only run right on 486s. There is a PC-based game I got on a shareware CD that came with my Pentium-75 called "Galactic Food Fight". It is blindingly fast as well. It's shareware, so if anyone wants a copy.... > Three, that ancient games don't "hurt" today's > >software market. Doing what? > > Doing what? Being available for "free" (illegally) out there for people to > get to them. The fact that people are still playing them doesn't affect > today's game market at all. It's a whole different ballpark out there these > days. I'm sorry, but if people say it's ok to pirate old games, even more people than now will start to say, "Well, this game is not that new", and pirate IT. Now, I have nothing against software piracy on a simple basis: either I get the program for free, and the compay loses 50 bucks, or I don't get the program at all, which means that the company is still 50 bucks short. However, my 14.4 modem helps me keep my morals straight :) > >so ... so, you say they should give up on them? A tenth of something is > >still something. > > But repackaging the games and shipping them would up the price to at least > $10.00 a piece, and you would have to come up with a cheap way to make sure > the games ran at original speed on all systems, another few bucks for R&D > right there, so you'll probably end up spending $50.00 for a compilation CD > with maybe 10 games on it, and nothing else. (Can you say "Roberta Williams > Sierra Compilation"?) > > Why not release the games as shareware, with no set ammount defined? People > could pay what the game is worth to them. I think Maxis did that with the > original SimCity. How many people do you suppose would buy the original frogger? Even for $5? Even if someone put a rack of frogger diskettes for free out in CompUSA or something, how many would take it? > >Don't get me wrong and think I'm just flaming you... I agree, I wish > > Oh, not at all. I expected alot more flak from people when I started this > thread, but was suprised at how well the members of the list are taking it. > (so far) > > > - John Higginbotham >- limbo.netpath.net >

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I don't believe this ****

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

BTW, where is that Linux emulator page? -----Original Message----- From: Wirehead Prime <wirehead(a)retrocomputing.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 7:39 PM Subject: Re: I don't believe this **** > > >> Out of curiosity has anyone else with web pages dealing with classic >> computers been contacted by someone that wants to dispose of your >> collection as scrap? Talk about insulting! > >I've never had anyone contact me. If they did, I'd ask them if I could >buy some of their old computers by the pound. =-) > >Anthony Clifton - Wirehead >

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More free paper

by william＠ans.net

This time it is an "HM-6100 Pocket Reference Card" from Harris Semiconductor. It is a simple one sheet affair (folded improperly, unfortunately), describing Harris's implementation of the one chip PDP-8. As with other offers, interested parties should give me a reason why they need the thing, and I will shoot it out (postage is basically nothing) to the winner. No "first come first serve" here. Also as with other offers, I can be bribed with some equally small bit of computer paper from the mini and mainframe world. William Donzelli william(a)ans.net

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Classic items up for bid.

by coslor＠pscosf.peru.edu

Just wanted to let you all know I have a few odd and ends up on e-bay right. An old TRS-80 stringy floppy drive, some TRS-80 manuals, etc. Just check for the seller coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu for the complete listing of what's up there now. The stringy floppy drive comes with 11 floppy 'wafers' and the auction on that will end tonight! Just wanted to let you all know -- for whateevr it's worth?? :-) CORD ############################################################################## # Cord G. Coslor -- P.O. Box 308 - 1300 3rd St. Apt "M1" -- Peru, NE # # (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu 68421-0308 # # Classic computer software and hardware collector # # Autograph collector # ############################################################################## #The##/ ___ /#/ ___ /##/ ___ /#/ /##/ /#/_ __/#/ /#/ /#/ _____## #####/ /##/ /#/ /##/ /##/ /##/__/#/ /##/ /###/ /###/ /#/ /#/ /####### ####/ ___ /#/ _ __/##/ /#######/ ___ /###/ /###/ /#/ /#/ _____/### ###/ /##/ /#/ /#\ \###/ /##/ /#/ /##/ /###/ /###/ /#/ /#/ /######### ##/__/##/__/#/_/###\_\#/________/#/__/##/__/#/______/#/_______/#/________/#### ##############################################################################

28 years, 3 months

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operating systems

by jfoust＠threedee.com

John Higginbotham <higginbo(a)netpath.net> wrote: >At 11:20 AM 1/4/98 -0600, John Foust <jfoust(a)threedee.com> wrote: >>of people out there who like to play old computer games, but you think >>the software owners shouldn't be free to sell to that market because >>there's no gain in productivity or increase in "harm"? What about >>learning or enjoyment? > >If you can find any message where I said that, I'd be happy to argue >against it, but I don't think I would type that in so many words. Software >companies SHOULD be able to sell these old games, but they can never expect >to get the original price out of them. It was the text in surrounding by <rant> in your January 4 message: ><rant> >Which brings up an interesting point: Why do the self appointed software >cops go after software archives of "abandonware" that most of today's >computers usually run too fast anyway? Do these ancient games really hurt >todays software market? Anything 10 years old or older should be >freeware/public domain as far as games are concerned. They don't increase >productivity, and the collectors of these old games aren't doing any harm >are they? ></rant> I'll restate what you said, as I saw it. One, there are self-appointed software cops - you mean people who defend copyright, even of old software? Two, that today's computers run old software too quickly - that doesn't sound like archaic software to me, if it's running directly on today's machines and OSes. Three, that ancient games don't "hurt" today's software market. Doing what? Four, you say the ten-year-rule "should" apply to games, making them (who sez?) be PD/freeware. Five, that games don't increase productivity and that "collecting" them (pirating them?) doesn't cause harm. And in your reply, you say that even if the developers sell their old games, they shouldn't expect to get the old retail price, so ... so, you say they should give up on them? A tenth of something is still something. My point is that people want to play games as much as use anything else when it comes to old software. They want to recreate their experience of years ago. Emulation and re-creation can be very handy! I'm surprised there aren't non-MS products that streamline the gotcha's out of running DOS, Windows 1.0, 2.0, 3.x software under Win95/NT. Or maybe there is and I haven't heard of it. I'd love to get a copy of Brief that wouldn't hog so much CPU in DOS emulation under WinNT. I'm still running my 1986 copy. Is that archaic? Don't get me wrong and think I'm just flaming you... I agree, I wish there was a better mechanism that authors of extinct software could use to allow new life for their old software. Sort of a national park or conservatory for old software would be nifty. If it resulted in payments back to the registered authors, I bet it could work. You'd need to find volunteers altruistic enough to donate their efforts in order to be able to send other people checks. The checks might be small or non-existent - perhaps the authors understand that the price charged would just fund the charity set up to distribute the software. It would be a strange sort of charity, sort of like the Old Actor's Home, except the charity cases might be Time-Warner or the programmer who was a millionaire at 15 with his Commodore 64 games, who's now pushing 30 and running his own 200+ person company. In terms of effort, the hard part will be tracking down the proper owners of all that old software. - John Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>

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HP 85 printer belt PN

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

Joe wrote: > I don't remember who asked for the part number for the HP 85 printer drive > belt but I finally dug out my service manual and found the numbers. There > are two belts in the printer. One drives the carriage and is PN 1500-0529. > The other drives the paper advance and is PN 1500-0572. If one is bad you > should go ahead and replace both. During the week you can call HP's > automated ordering line at 1-800-227-8164 and order them if they're still > available. Let me know if these are still available and what they cost. If > you can't get them, let me know and I'll open up one of my 85s and measure > the belts and to to match them up with something from Small Parts Inc or > one of the other companies. Thanks, Joe. Someone posted HP part numbers a while back, and my colleague is going to try the HP order line in this country first. Meanwhile, I have extracted the belts from my own HP-85 and measured them - FWIW they are 175T80 and 78T80 (according to the markings on the belts) - 0.080 inch tooth spacing, 78 teeth for the paper feed and 175 teeth for the print head. My colleague says that if he manages to buy some new ones, he will get me a spare set as well... Philip.

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CBM 8032 and other things

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> Once you find software on-line - One of the real bummers is that the > 8032 does not have an RS-232 port for easy communication (read: file > transfer via null-modem) nor is the 8050 drive compatible with any other > Commodore disk drive (like the 4040/2031 is compatible with the 1541 thus > making it easy to get software to a 4040 by doing a null-modem to a 64 > and writing with a 1541). I thought the 8050 was compatible with the 1571. Am I mistaken? I know it's not compatible with the 8252 (or whatever it's called - the double sided 8050 that's also built into the 8296D) which is silly and v. annoying. > Though I am not saying it is impossible; the PET does have a parallel > user port which is VERY easy to program. With a bit of coding knowledge > a few parts and soldering you could whip up a PET-to-Whatever connector > and the appropriate software for transferring files. Absolutely. I have a couple of amusing tales about this. In 1983-84, a friend, M J Richards, and I (aged 15 and 16 respectively at the time) developed an adventure game for the BBC micro. But we started by typing in all the text on an 8032, followed by compression and encryption. We then wanted to squirt this module across to the Beeb. Alas, MJR's Beeb only had OS version 0.10, which didn't support input on the serial port. Also alas, the 8032SK uses IEEE-488 (GPIB) style connectors for the user port and we didn't have any. In the end, we used the cassette motor output on the PET and the analogue input on the BBC. Data rate was 30 baud as I recall! Later we wanted to produce a full program listing from a disassembler program on the BBC. By then, 8032 had returned to Dad's office, and the only printer we had left was a Teletype ASR33. Alas again! The BBC serial port didn't support 110 baud. PET to the rescue again - I had an old ROM 8K machine. A few wires and a transistor later, I had an interface - PET received data at 4800 baud on one pin of the user port and transmitted it (via the transistor) to the Teletype on another pin. Finally, we wanted to port the software to other machines. Acorn Electron port was easy - it actually runs on the BBC micro if you try hard enough - but Commodore 64 port was more difficult. I cannot remember if I had upgraded my PET to 32K by then - I think probably not - but we somehow got it across the same 4800 baud link and onto tape, whence it was loaded onto a 64. On my list of things to do now is finish the PET port of the game... I'd be interested to hear from anyone who actually played the game - it was licensed to a software house called Alligata who sold it as "Xanadu Cottage" - about 400 copies were sold, I think (BBC model B only). Also, if anyone wants a copy for their BBC B / Electron / C= 64, please get in touch. There are still slight bugs in the tape routines for saved positions, afaik, but otherwise it runs well. Finally, who would like to see / play / beta-test a PET version? And what model(s) of PET do you have? Terms for software distribution will be shareware - if you want to pay for the game, a suitable donation to a charity caring for Hodgkins' Disease (of which MJR later died) is requested. Philip.

28 years, 3 months

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Linux???? is it real

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 12:08 AM 1/5/98 -0600, you wrote: > >Send me a private email if you want to do this. I've left this public >because I thought it might be of use to others. > >Anthony Clifton - Wirehead > No! Leave it public. I'm curious about Linux and I'm following this. It's better than the day time soap operas! Joe >

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Linux???? is it real

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Well, if anyone wants it I can ship my FreeBSD 2.2.5 CD which I got a part of a misorder. Because I got it for free, I'll charge whatever shipping costs. Actually, I just am finishing installing my first Linux (Unix too!) system on my 200MHz "Demon" (for Linux), but I need to contact the tech support guies because they orginazied the CD so @%^# poorly. It's Debian, and the install was slicker than ANY other OS that I've installed, from billg's DOS 2.0 to Windows 95. Also, I feel like I've got the POWER pre-installed, not something that you need to spend about 5 or 6 months looking for. Plus my Debian package came with browsers, server software (Apache included, along with the Cern servers, NCSA servers, etc.), and almost any X-Window look you can imagine, from the NeXT style to Mac to Win 95. Well, if I ever get to an area of the planet with unlimited access time measured in items smaller than tens of thousands of bucks for a modem, I think that I'll see what I can do. Well, contact me if you want FreeBSD (anyone), Tim D. Hotze -----Original Message----- From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 9:22 AM Subject: Re: Linux???? is it real >>PS: Sheesh the FreeBSD people are always jumping around saying, "Can't >>get Linux to work? Try FreeBSD!" >> >>Linux only has a few stable kernels and Slackware uses them. > >Heh, you know my answer for the BSD people, which BSD? Let's see; FreeBSD, >OpenBSD, NetBSD, 386BSD, BSD/OS, BSD Lite, I don't know what else is there. >Personally I've got a Hard Drive with OPENSTEP, that's the only BSD system >I'm currently running. At least Linux development is pretty much >controlled chaos, BSD on the other had seems to be to simply be chaos. >Yes, I know that there are quite a few different Linux distributions, but >they all run the same kernal and to a great extent the same software. > >Linux has two types of kernals, production and development. If you want >stable use production, if you want "Bleeding Edge" use development. My >Linux fileserver has been running for over 15 months with the same software >install, without a crash. > >Seriously the question you need to ask yourself when deciding which to use >is if you want a UNIX System V based system, or a BSD 4.3/4.4 based system. >If you want SysV go with Linux, if you want BSD then chose your poison, >personally I'd recommend FreeBSD for the Intel architecture, OpenBSD for >anything else. > >Realistically the two are basically the same, on the topic of documentation >is about the only real difference. You can find a ton of books specific to >Linux, as far as I know the only BSD 4.4 specific books are the Berkley >docs that Linux printed. > >I find OpenBSD of intrest because it's purpose is to be multiplatform, >however, I think the total USENET traffic for it is less than >comp.os.linux.announce > >I've got to agree with the comment that Linux is great for running >emulators. I'm still looking for a PDP-11 of my own, but in the mean time >I can play with the PDP-11 emulator under Linux and run stuff like RT-11 or >Version 5 UNIX. > > Zane > > >| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | >| healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | >| healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | >+----------------------------------+----------------------------+ >| For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | >| see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ | >| For the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. | >| see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/museum.html | > >

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WTB or Trade: GRiD 1535EXP External 3.5" disk drive

by higginbo＠netpath.net

The subject says it all. If anyone has this or any GRiD portable equipment, let me know. - John Higginbotham - limbo.netpath.net

28 years, 3 months

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WTT: MITS Altair 8800 for DEC PDP-8

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Let's start the new year off with an interesting one, eh? Since it seems that there are as many people out there looking for Altairs as are looking for PDP-8's, and the original PDP-8 ('straight' 8) is the one major model of the line that seems to keep eluding me, I'm offering the following: --- One electronically restored and functional MITS Altair 8800 (the original, not the later 'a' or 'b' series), 16k of static memory, MITS serial card, complete documentation set, and a set of MITS (Microsoft) Altair BASIC paper tapes (4k, 8k, 12k version) and other paper tape based utilities. (NOTE: memory is non-MITS, docs may be mix of original and reprints) In trade for: One Digital Equipment Corporpation PDP-8 (original, not later 'i', 'e', etc... series), with 4k or more of core, and serial (teletype) control. Any additional options welcome. Desktop configuration desired, but rackmount configuration perfectly acceptable. Documentation and engineering prints desired as is any original software (diags, languages, etc.), but lack of same does not disqualify. Functional unit desired, but non-functional units will be considered as long as they are complete (all cards, modules, etc.) and have no unusual physical damage. Shipping/delivery arrangements for both units to be discussed separately. Location of unit may be a consideration. (my location: Beaverton Oregon) Any takers? -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

28 years, 3 months

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FS: Coleco Adam, Franklin Ace, Lanier somethingorother

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

Saw these things in a second-hand store in Las Vegas the other day: Coleco Adam Franklin Ace 1200 Lanier <somethingorother> (it had two 5.25" floppy drives, two LEDs, and two rocker switches on its front panel) CoCo 2 Although I was awfully tempted, I ended up deciding they wouldn't fit in my luggage, so they are probably still there, at the "Faith Lutheran" thrift store, at 707 N. Rancho. Let the race begin! Bill.

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UNIX questions?

by manney＠nwohio.com

Which I use depends on the job I want to > do, how I want to do it, etc. Nobody restricts you to only having one > computer. Wives?

28 years, 3 months

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UNIX questions? Wives?

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 10:56 PM 1/4/98, you wrote: >>Wives? > > OK to have more than one of those too, just not at the same time! Unless you live in Utah... -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

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UNIX questions?

by manney＠nwohio.com

> Let me recount what has been discussed over the past 36 hours: > Linux vs Windows (My fault, sorry!) > Why dogs lick their balls > Atheism > What makes a good marriage > Copyrights You forgot pot roasts > > Now, I will try to get us back on track. Is there a GeoWrite-like program for > something besides C-64, which is where I saw it, with fonts and stuff > displaying on screen as I type? PC-XT would be nice Yes. I have Geoworks with no manual, but a third party "how to" book. E-mail me privately. manney(a)nwohio.com

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Laser 128

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

I'm looking for some information on a Laser 128. I've had one for several months now, and have known that it was an Apple clone. Unfortunatly it has a mouse, but no Power Supply. However, a couple days ago I got a second one, this time with no mouse, but it has the Power Supply and an external floppy drive and monitor cable. So I just plugged it into one of my little Apple IIc monitors since one was handy, and I'm happy to say it works. Even boots DOS 3.3 (will it run ProDOS?). One slight problem, the keyboard makes no sense, when I hit a key, something else comes up. Is this because I don't have their version of the OS, or is there a problem with the computer, or what? Any ideas? While I'm at it, will the little IIc green monitors display anything other than 40 columns? Looking at the manuals it looks like I should be able to get my IIc to display 80 columns on it, but I've not been able to. IIRC I have been able to get my Franklin Ace 1200 to run CP/M on one in 80 columns. I'm aware of the 40/80 column button on the IIc, but I've tried two different IIc's with no luck. Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ | | For the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/museum.html |

28 years, 3 months

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UNIX questions?

by Zeus334＠aol.com

Let me recount what has been discussed over the past 36 hours: Linux vs Windows (My fault, sorry!) Why dogs lick their balls Atheism What makes a good marriage Copyrights Now, I will try to get us back on track. Is there a GeoWrite-like program for something besides C-64, which is where I saw it, with fonts and stuff displaying on screen as I type? PC-XT would be nice

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operating systems

by manney＠nwohio.com

> >Well, frogger is a good example of why not. I see they're bringing it out > >again. > > Okay, so you own a new computer, maybe a P200 mmx and you have this old copy > of frogger, from your XT days... If this old copy gets out on the internet > or elsewhere, is it going to affect sales of the new Frogger version? Well, I meant...Frogger is an axample of why "they" don't just throw game concepts out the window. Frogger seems to have been resurrected. You're right -- the new one is different, and most young users would prefer the new version (I LIKED the old one, though! Anyone have Frogger for the PC for sale?)

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Searching for Apollo Parts

by red＠bears.org

Hullo; I'm trying to finish restoring my Apollo DN5500, but I can't seem to track down the parts I need. Maybe somebody here can help... I need the following for sure: Apollo P/N 012600-01 -- 760 MB ESDI disk (Maxtor XT-8760E) 011778 -- 60 MB SCSI QIC drive (Archive 2060S) SR10.3.5 or 10.4 tapeset (not the 10.4.1 RAI like I've got already). These would also be useful but are not needed: Apollo P/N 12173 -- 8 plane 1280x1024 video board 7550 -- 3 button DOMAIN mouse If you could help me out, I'd appreciate it greatly. This Apollo has been sitting around half-working for too long. Oh, and on an unrelated tangent, I could also use a Mac SE/30 motherboard, which has similarly eluded me. (: Thanks. ok -r -- r e d @ b e a r s . o r g ============================= [ urs longa | vita brevis ]

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by allisonp＠world.std.com

<If you download the latest elks kernel source - 0.0.67 at the moment bu <0.0.68 is due out anytime, along with elkscmd.tar.gz you will have an <almost complete Linux subset for the 8086 with which you can then work. <The acronym ELKS is 'Embeddable Linux Kernel Subset' but the project is That's interesting but linux on a 386 is still frustrating me to the max! Allison

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by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 11:20 AM 1/4/98 -0600, you wrote: >of people out there who like to play old computer games, but you think >the software owners shouldn't be free to sell to that market because >there's no gain in productivity or increase in "harm"? What about >learning or enjoyment? If you can find any message where I said that, I'd be happy to argue against it, but I don't think I would type that in so many words. Software companies SHOULD be able to sell these old games, but they can never expect to get the original price out of them. -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

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Radio Shack TRS-80 DMP 100 Printer info n

by manney＠nwohio.com

> One of the problems with using a RS printer on a PC is that the RS units > all (most?) add a linefeed in the printer firmware. If you do not know > the escape sequence to disable it everything comes out doublespaced. And > not all of their escape sequences were the same. > - don I've never had a problem with that...they usually print the info on the back. My problem is the the early DMP dot matrix series (before 134, I think) will not respond to many PC parallel ports. I've heard that Radio Schlock has a cable to fix that, but they said no. Anyway, these early DMP's respond to most modern motherboards. Don't know why. manney

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by manney＠nwohio.com

> >Well, frogger is a good example of why not. I see they're bringing it out > >again. > > I played a demo of the new Frogger on my Playstation, it's NOTHING like the > original! Give me the original any day, it was all on the screen at one > time! > > Zane I don't mean that the new one is better, just that it doesn't seem to have died. I loved the original one, too (on an Atari 400, as I recall.) manney

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by allisonp＠world.std.com

<V7 and BSD ran fine on the PDP-11. All it will take to port ELKS will <be somebody with access to PDP-11 hardware, a working Linux system, an <too much time on their hands. To quote a movie from twenty years back I have the 11/23 or 11/73 to pick from (with 30meg of disk). I have a pdp11 C compiler (decus C) running under RT-11. I can copy elks sources to the 11 ELKS is only an embedded kernel. Oops. UZI unix is for z80 and could be ported too (it's in C save for LL-drivers). Allison

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