- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by mallison＠konnections.com

www.timco-computers.com Wow, Great prices. Looks like they have an awful lot of worthless junque for people who regularly crave such things. Been looking for a MAC board for my 2page display, Guess I know where to get one... Thanks for the ref.. -Mike

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back ontopic: mac 400k drive.

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-01-26 23:36:11 EST, you write: << The grease on the eject rails hardens and causes this behaviour. You -can- get it out with the paper clip if it moves at all, but you have to push hard. >> turns out that's exactly what it was! thankfully the drive mechanism separates >from the rest of the drive with screws. i had some head and disk cleaner (alcohol) in a spray can, so i just sprayed it on the parts and worked them back and forth until they were loose. i've no grease, but at least its working just fine now. david.

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DEC Sold to Compaq!

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Well, I found out that Atari is kicking. Has anyone heard about the game "Primal Rage" It's copywrighted to Atari Games. Tim D. Hotze PS-It's my opinion that OS/2 (there making a new version) and DEC will be around, in one form or another, for quite awhile. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Prymmer <pvhp(a)forte.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 4:59 AM Subject: Re: DEC Sold to Compaq! >classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu >Subj: Re: DEC Sold to Compaq! > >Richard A. Cini wrote: > >>Well, you could see it coming. Poor financial performance (and hence, weak >>stock price) over the last few years. Weak products. Then, DEC sells-out the >>Crown Jewels (its Alpha procesor) to Intel. >> >> After listening to an interview with Eckhard Pfeiffer of Compaq, they >>paid $9.6 billion for DEC's customer list, not its products. He mentions >>nothing about DEC's products. > >According to the scoop on DEC web pages and in comp.os.vms and various VMS >mailing list he said: > > We are committed to...investing in Digital's strategic assets, particularly > its worldwide service organization, as well as its 64-bit leadership with Alpha > microprocessors, OpenVMS, Digital UNIX and Windows NT enterprise systems, > open storage, and software products," Eckhard Pfeiffer, president and chief > executive officer of Compaq, said in a statement. > >And all the VMS geeks are tickled pink that he mentioned VMS first on the list >of OSes and point out that DEC CEO Bob Palmer hasn't been known to do that. > >> It's a shame...but it seems to me that DEC should have seen it coming. >>Death comes to the last of the old-line computer companies. > >Well IBM is still alive and kicking (rumour is that the whole OS/2 shop has >been fired/re-assigned/real-estate liqidated but AS/400 minis and mainframes >are making a strong comeback). I Don't know much about Unisys though... > >Peter Prymmer > > >

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DEC Sold to Compaq!

by pvhp＠forte.com

classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Subj: Re: DEC Sold to Compaq! Richard A. Cini wrote: >Well, you could see it coming. Poor financial performance (and hence, weak >stock price) over the last few years. Weak products. Then, DEC sells-out the >Crown Jewels (its Alpha procesor) to Intel. > > After listening to an interview with Eckhard Pfeiffer of Compaq, they >paid $9.6 billion for DEC's customer list, not its products. He mentions >nothing about DEC's products. According to the scoop on DEC web pages and in comp.os.vms and various VMS mailing list he said: We are committed to...investing in Digital's strategic assets, particularly its worldwide service organization, as well as its 64-bit leadership with Alpha microprocessors, OpenVMS, Digital UNIX and Windows NT enterprise systems, open storage, and software products," Eckhard Pfeiffer, president and chief executive officer of Compaq, said in a statement. And all the VMS geeks are tickled pink that he mentioned VMS first on the list of OSes and point out that DEC CEO Bob Palmer hasn't been known to do that. > It's a shame...but it seems to me that DEC should have seen it coming. >Death comes to the last of the old-line computer companies. Well IBM is still alive and kicking (rumour is that the whole OS/2 shop has been fired/re-assigned/real-estate liqidated but AS/400 minis and mainframes are making a strong comeback). I Don't know much about Unisys though... Peter Prymmer

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This is the end... (Compaq buys DEC)

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

Well, look here... http://www.digital.com/flash/f192 It's the end of Aplha, I know that... Compaq likes Intel, and so they'll do Intel a favor and kill Alpha off. Then all DEC will make is PC clones... And that's the end of decent architectures from Maynard! -------

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Luggables

by jolminkh＠c2.telstra-mm.net.au

>The original "suitcase" portable, I have to agree, but the lunch box >portables are quite nice. Though I expected some access to an ISA bus >in the Compaq III, there weren't any. That's the one nice advantage to >the luggable -- they're expandable, to a degree... The Portable III often comes with an expansion box that fits on the back. Makes the package a "big" lunchbox and has room for 2 or 3 ISA cards. Most I have seen have VGA and network cards in there.

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Luggables

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 01:14 PM 1/26/98 -0700, you wrote: >Yeah, I've been looking for an expansion module. Hope I see one....if >anyone sees any let me know what the going prices are... There was one for sale recently on ebay; I forget what it eventually sold for, but it was: Compaq Portable III ISA Expansion Unit. (item #3694518) You can do a search to look up the final price. Also, I know where there may be one for $100, but you have to take the Compaq it's attached to as well. 8^) (Condition unknown, etc.; it's outta my price range.) P.S., Just to let folks know, this list doesn't get anywhere near as off-topic as a couple of Land Rover lists I'm on, and it is nowhere near as well policed as the Dressage list. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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MFM drives

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

>My two favorite tools for HD work are the "On-Track Disk Manager >program V 5", and "Hard Drive Test Specs" program. DM lets you test, >LL format, create, and prep partitions. I will give a hearty second to the recommendation for Disk Manager. Can't be beat. If you've ever swapped a hard drive, or you ever plan to, get this program! If you even know what a hard drive is, you should probably have it. Also good is LapLink Pro, which allows you to transfer itself to another computer without having to use diskettes -- handy for those older (PC) machines (like >10 years) whose floppy drives have gone south, but you want access to the hard drive. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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IBM Portable Personal Computer (and other things)

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> I'm not that impressed with the 3270pc. I bought it because I wanted > stuff out of it, but it was all pretty much proprietary (and covered > in dust and old) lots of wire wrapping and jumpers, so I just left it > alone. Now I use it to test Linux-16. > > The REAL question is, if IBM used these as terminals which could run > software, what did they have in them allowing them to use the network > ports? I mean that was 1984, DOS might have had some hooks, but they > would have sold it. > > Were these running XENIX/86, CPM86, or what? Anyone know? Anyone have > the software... Um. As I recall, when you booted a 3270PC, it booted MS-DOS from the hard disk as usual. Early on in the boot procedure, it loaded some sort of 3270-terminal-operating-system which grabbed some memory somewhere, locked DOS out of it somehow and REBOOTED. DOS then loaded normally UNDERNEATH the terminal program. The 3270 PC had some extra keys on the keyboard - the function keys (24 of them) were where they are on a modern PC keyboard, but there was a block of keys where they were on the original PC keyboard. These keys did things like switch between your terminal session and your PC session. The keyboard plugged into the terminal card as well as the keyboard port, BTW - I think the terminal card filtered out stuff that wasn't meant for the DOS session. The point was, DOS never knew about the terminal unless you specifically piped data through the terminal program. IBM sold an API (Application Program Interface) which was a piece of software allowing programs running on the PC to type on the terminal, look at the terminal screen memory, etc. Very crude. File transfer software - not very good - was available too. The reason they were rare was that the IBM 3270 terminal protocol (SNA, Systems Network Architecture) was only used on IBM mainframes - not even on the System/3X minis. I don't know how it worked but it was EBCDIC for a start... Returning to the 5155, when I was working at IBM this was the cheapest complete system in the IBM range - it was much the same price as an XT (if not less) and it had a monitor built in. Many IBM employees bought them as an entry level system (IBM required us to sign a contract saying we wouldn't develop software for other than IBM machines - I don't know whether this would have survived a court case!) But there must be some around if only for that reason. Hope this helps! Philip. PS *** Off Topic *** Will Sam and Anthony please go and have their argument somewhere else? The first couple of posts about Anthony's personal testimony were interesting and related to computers. The subsequent argument about drugs and off-topic posts, not to mention mature adults of 17 and silly kids of 30 (I'm one of the latter FWIW) was not. Sam, you say Anthony has problems - but so do you. Will you stop jumping down everybody's throat as soon as the topic starts to drift, please? Finally, alcohol. Interesting points about Prohibition (which we didn't have over here). Thank you whoever posted them (even though off topic). Denatured alcohol here is still "Methylated Spirit" - i.e. it has had methanol added. It has also had pyridine (I think) added to make it look purple and taste foul, and it is therefore even more poisonous, but it doesn't leave a residue. On the subject of home-made booze, if you use the wrong sort of yeast, you may well get methanol in the ferment. During prohibition I'd guess that proper brewer's yeast was not easily available! Apparently potatoes are particularly susceptible, and this has given the traditional Irish spirit made therefrom, Poteen, a bad name for making you literally "blind drunk." Since I am a non-drinker I'd better say no more on that subject... Philip.

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toner cleaning

by manney＠nwohio.nwohio.com

IT IS CARBON TETRACHLORIDE that produces phosgene when it is > reduced on a hot surface. Carbon tet (tetrachloromethane) hasn't been > available for 30 years! Funny how legends continue to spread. :) H'm. Sorry for shooting off my mouth. Computers (peecees, anyway...) I know, but chem is not my cuppa tea. manney

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Mid-Atlantic Antique Computer Club

by Marty＠itgonline.com

To whom it may concern: I would like to get in touch with anybody interested in 'antique' computers, especially in the Washington, DC metropolitan area to exchange info and perhaps start an east coast collector organization. Please email me: marty(a)itgonline.com Thanks- Marty Mintzell 5635 Heming avenue Springfield, Virginia 22151 703-569-2380 email:marty@itgonline.com

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toner cleaning

by Squest＠cris.com

On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Sam Ismail wrote: > Great, but what does homemade booze have to do with collecting old > computers? Well, one guy wondered what it was that caused denatured alcohol to leave residue on his computer printed circuit boards he was cleaning. My off-topic message answered that question he never even asked. :) Now if you'd like to eat your words, start munching. :) My off-topic post was of benefit to ONE PERSON, and that's enough to justify it's creation. sq (just put the unique word "Squest" in your killfile if you don't like it.) -- -<squest(a)cris.com>---------\ ( ( | ) ) Amendment1 Congress shall make ============================> /_\ no law abridging the freedom MicroPower FM Broadcasting-/ /\_/\ of speech, or of the press.

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IBM Portable Personal Computer (and other things)

by mallison＠konnections.com

I wouldn't know if my 3270pc is original or not, but there's no extended keyboard. -Mike ---------- > From: Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re[2]: IBM Portable Personal Computer (and other things) > Date: Monday, January 26, 1998 10:44 AM > > > I'm not that impressed with the 3270pc. I bought it because I wanted > > stuff out of it, but it was all pretty much proprietary (and covered > > in dust and old) lots of wire wrapping and jumpers, so I just left it > > alone. Now I use it to test Linux-16. > > > > The REAL question is, if IBM used these as terminals which could run > > software, what did they have in them allowing them to use the network > > ports? I mean that was 1984, DOS might have had some hooks, but they > > would have sold it. > > > > Were these running XENIX/86, CPM86, or what? Anyone know? Anyone have > > the software... > > Um. As I recall, when you booted a 3270PC, it booted MS-DOS from the > hard disk as usual. Early on in the boot procedure, it loaded some sort > of 3270-terminal-operating-system which grabbed some memory somewhere, > locked DOS out of it somehow and REBOOTED. DOS then loaded normally > UNDERNEATH the terminal program. > > The 3270 PC had some extra keys on the keyboard - the function keys (24 > of them) were where they are on a modern PC keyboard, but there was a > block of keys where they were on the original PC keyboard. These keys > did things like switch between your terminal session and your PC > session. The keyboard plugged into the terminal card as well as the > keyboard port, BTW - I think the terminal card filtered out stuff that > wasn't meant for the DOS session. The point was, DOS never knew about > the terminal unless you specifically piped data through the terminal > program. > >

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99 cent store find...

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

While on a recent excursion to Stockton (a realtively close big city for us) we stopped by one of those 99 cent clearnace centers and I was surprised to find boxes of disks available. I picked up 90 DS/DD diskettes for just $8.91, 9.9 cents for a 'new' brand name disk is pretty good. They also had 5.25" DS/HD (don't have any need for those...) and also a few boxes of 8" disks, (W/WP, is that the format? It was the only thing that looked like a format/sectoring I.D. to me...) Other than that I picked up a VIC-20 RF modulator for 75 cents... Wasn't really thrift-storing that day... :) I did pick up a Maganavox composite/RGB monitor for only $4.50 a couple weeks back though. Question on this, it has TTL RGB and Lin. RGB ports, is the Lin. RGB Analog RGB? (Magnavox did produce a few Commodore/Amiga monitors, I am hoping this one may be Amiga compatible...) Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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Wanted Bernoulli drive

by bufforec＠studiobuffo.com.pl

I am looking for 20M removable bernoulli drives. I use them in my music console rack. Since two weeks I have problem with it and I can't read old data. I make few radical steps included filter exchange but without succes. This units are dedicated to my system and I can replace it only for the same 20M drives. Maybe somebody, somewhere has useless items in a basement store... Thanks for colaboration. Jarek Warsaw 25.01.98

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Luggables

by mallison＠konnections.com

Yeah, I've been looking for an expansion module. Hope I see one....if anyone sees any let me know what the going prices are... (It probably just went up in value.....) -Mike ---------- > From: Olminkhof <jolminkh(a)c2.telstra-mm.net.au> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Luggables > Date: Monday, January 26, 1998 5:08 AM > > > > >The original "suitcase" portable, I have to agree, but the lunch box > >portables are quite nice. Though I expected some access to an ISA bus > >in the Compaq III, there weren't any. That's the one nice advantage to > >the luggable -- they're expandable, to a degree... > > > The Portable III often comes with an expansion box that fits on the back. > Makes the package a "big" lunchbox and has room for 2 or 3 ISA cards. Most I > have seen have VGA and network cards in there. >

28 years, 2 months

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Looking for a Fujitsu M2382 User

by mcquiggi＠sfu.ca

Hi All: The title says it all. I have a sick M2382 SMD drive, and am looking for someone who is running one successfully, so that we can compare switch settings, QD32 or QD33 parameters, or documentation. The drive's on a known-good QD32 on a Microvax II. It's in tandem with an M2372, on the same QD32. The M2372 drive is working well. Thanks, Kevin -- Kevin McQuiggin VE7ZD mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca

28 years, 2 months

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Are We Not Men? (& Women?) [OT^2] (Was Re: PDP-8/Es available [NOT!]) (fwd)

by mallison＠konnections.com

Yeah, so, he mailed a personal note, off line off the list, like he's supposed to, so that there isn't a bunch of drivvel on the list. That's the whole point to this seemingly pointless discussion. -Mike Allison ---------- > > I think the following says all that need be said about this debate. > I received it from Mr. Ismail this evening. > > Anthony Clifton - Wirehead

28 years, 2 months

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"Black Apple" Floppy Drive

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Somebody's selling a Bell & Howell "black Apple" floppy drive on Ebay: http://iguana.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4986738

28 years, 2 months

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//gs manuals

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Well, after closer investigation, I found the DOS info that I needed. Sorry for the post. I'd still like the manuals, though. Rich Cini/WUGNET Charter ClubWin! Member MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking

28 years, 2 months

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Are We Not Men? (& Women?) [OT^2] (Was Re: PDP-8/Es available [NOT!])

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Sorry to but in, but some of us ARE CHILDREN. ;-) And, honestly, I hate to point out, but you're acting less mature than we do. Honestly, the guy made a mistake. Why blame him? If there's anyone who can seriously tell me their perfect, then disregard this, but we all make 'em. Tim D. Hotze -----Original Message----- From: Daniel A. Seagraves <DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, January 26, 1998 5:14 PM Subject: Re: Are We Not Men? (& Women?) [OT^2] (Was Re: PDP-8/Es available [NOT!]) >Oh, stop acting like children! I screwed up by misdirecting that message in >the first place. Nobody needs to get violent! Just tag the posts [OFF-TOPIC] >like is done in a.f.s-m. That way you can kill the message if you don't want to read it. >-------

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II+ Os/Software

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Hi. I'm getting a II+ from Jeff Kaneko, but, as usual from thrift stores, no OS/Software. Is the II+ like the II GS, downloadalbe from the 'Net? Also, is there any software out there? If I can download it from the net, where, and how do I copy it (using either 1.44MB 3.5" or a 360K 5.25" drive, PC, SERIAL connection???) Thanks, Tim D. Hotze

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Now, back to topic...

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

Yes, I know I started that mess :) Sorry. I just picked up a MicroVAX 2000. Little bitty box. It's portable, it even has a handle. Runx VAX/VMS 5.4. I'll drop NetBSD on here and have it up in no time at all. Or, I may keep VMS... -------

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IIgs manuals wanted

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Hello, all: Does anyone have a spare set of Apple //gs manuals that they'd be willing to part with? I just got two floppy drives for my new gs, so I'm just beginning to work my way around it. I'm running ProDOS until I can get OS/GS transferred to it. I've got a 5-1/4" and a 3-1/2" floppy, but can't seem to get ProDOS to INIT a new disk. No immediate solution is apparent from Nathan Mates' on-line info. Thanks! Rich Cini/WUGNET Charter ClubWin! Member MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking

28 years, 2 months

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Atari 800/ 800XL DOS commands?

by archive＠navix.net

Hello: Here's my question. I am trying to figure out how to load certain commands on an Atari 800xl. I guess I should say 'files'. I can load BASIC files just fine with DOS loaded, I just exit to BASIC and RUN"D1:game.bas" -- is there a way to do it directly from DOS 2.5, etc., without going back to BASIC? And, my primary question.... if I see a machine language file in the DOS directory such as ataridemo.obj or game237.com, how can I load these. I have interpreted from some other sources that I need to reboot without the basic cartridge in to run a machine language program, but how 'actually' do I do it? I don't see any of the menu options under DOS that say "load machine language file: " or anything like that. Please respond back if you have any information, as I am trying to catalog all those Atari 800 (and everything) disks. Thank you very much, CORD COSLOR -- _________________________________________ | Cord G. Coslor : archive(a)navix.net | | Deanna S. Wynn : deannasue(a)navix.net | |-----------------------------------------| | PO Box 308 - Peru, NE - 68421-0308 | | (402) 872- 3272 | |_________________________________________|

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Atari 800/ 800XL DOS commands?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

i thought the command was something like LIST D1:filespec but its been so long. my 1050 drive manual doesnt have much info on it. to get dos help, the manual says to press H at the dos menu. this will bring up a help menu. press h and return to bring up screens of info. In a message dated 98-01-25 21:07:05 EST, you write: << And, my primary question.... if I see a machine language file in the DOS directory such as ataridemo.obj or game237.com, how can I load these. I have interpreted from some other sources that I need to reboot without the basic cartridge in to run a machine language program, but how 'actually' do I do it? I don't see any of the menu options under DOS that say "load machine language file: " or anything like that. >>

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SoCal PDP Items at TRW

by jpl15＠netcom.com

A reminder to any PDP/Plessey collectors among us that I will have several pieces of Plessey 'PDP-clone' items at the monthly TRW Amateur Radio Swap Meet this coming Sat the 31st. I have a Plessey MicroII complete except for software... it boots into ODT '*', also a twin 8" drive for it.. a Kennedy 5xxx drive with see-thru cover.. needs an interface, and various other items of interest to the classic mini collector. I am trying to thin my collection and keep to 'true-blue' DEC stuff. Bad pun. Sorry.... ANYWAY... e-mail for info/directions/chat/whatever: delivery is available for the right bribe. I am looking for: An interface/formatter to connect a Kennedy 9300 9trk to an 11/34a A/D and/or D/A cards for the MINC-11 70's vintage D/A boxes for the PDP-11 If you are local or visiting, TRW is a great place to score micros and the occasional mini. Last time, an IBM Sys/34 complete went for $20.. software and terminals and docs. The guy 'inherited' it and just wanted it off the back of his little truck. Had not another indivdual (who had been an IBM field tech) bought it... it would be here. In what's left of the garage space. This is just an example of what turns up there. TRW plant in El Segundo, 7:30am to 11:30am e-mail me for space numbers and more. Cheers to all John

28 years, 2 months

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Wanted Bernoulli drive

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> I have two of these drives, the kind that uses the BIG disks, but i have not > the controller for it. anyone have one for purchasing? I also have ~70 disks > and even an unused cleaning kit for it. They're SCSI. Old enough that I don't know whether they'll work with anything; I've hooked up a 44MB Bernoulli to a Linux box and it works (I just have to have it powered off when I turn the machine on because the SCSI ROM BIOS doesn't like it), but I've not fiddled with my 10MB units yet. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

28 years, 2 months

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Interact Model One

by s-ware＠nwu.edu

I recently acquired an Interact Model One computer. It's a relatively small unit with calculator-style keys and a built in cassette deck for data storage. Inside, there is an 8080 CPU and 16 Kbytes of RAM. The latest date codes on the components place its manufacture in early 1978. Video output is color NTSC, and there is a built-in RF modulator for driving a television. The rather large pixels yield a 16 x 12 text display. The ROM seems to contain only enough code to start the process of loading programs from tape. Fortunately, I picked up two different BASIC variants (EDU-BASIC, which is a usable "tiny" BASIC, and Level II Microsoft BASIC.), as well as about a dozen games on tape. The 20-year old cassette tapes I obtained with this machine are starting to deteriorate. Unfortunately, copies made using relatively high-quality audio cassette decks do not load. The head on the internal cassette deck is a standard 1/2 track mono head, so copying the tapes should not be difficult. Does anyone know if Interact produced their cassettes slightly off "standard" alignment as a form of copy protection? I'm currently planning to use one of the prerecorded Interact cassettes to set the azimuth adjustment on an old cassette deck, and then use this deck for both playback and recording to make working copies of the Interact tapes if this is the case. If not, I'll record copies on a properly aligned deck and then adjust the Interact to read the copies. -- Scott Ware NUMS-MPBC Macromolecular Crystallography Resource 303 East Chicago Avenue, Ward 8-264, Chicago, IL 60611 (312)503-0813 Finger ware(a)xtal.pharm.nwu.edu for PGP public key

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DEC and Apricots

by adam＠merlin.net.au

>>2) I heard of a machine called the Apricot, which came in a portable >>model w/voice recognition, and several desktop ones. It seems they >>were all Intel-based. Could someone tell me if they were really good >>as far as the GUI and voice recognition and everything else, or just >>commercial junk? How much would these machines go for? >The GUI was quite primitive compared to say a Mac of the same era. Mine are >all monochrome, don't know if there was a color version. Hadn't heard of the >voice recognition before. I've never used one myself, so I can't comment on the GUI. However the portable Apricot did indeed have voice recognition. It was a nice box - a very attractive V-shaped design (to put the monitor at a good angle), light keyboard, and voice recognition. It was also black, which is a fine thing. However, it was a membrane keyboard similar to the Sinclair QL, the voice recog was not very good, suffered from an awful microphone (apparantly you had to almost literally swallow it before it could pick up anything), and the neat V-shape meant that you could not adjust the monitor angle - which was not good at all, as it was one of those early LCD sorts where than angle had to be perfect. It did run MS-DOS, but wasn't 100% compat. My faviourite touch, though, was that if you included an external monitor, the LCD one could be used independently - much like on the Mac Powerbooks. If anyone knows where I can get one please let me know - it's near the top of my wish list. Adam.

28 years, 2 months

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Wanted Bernoulli drive

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 05:44 PM 1/25/98 EST, you wrote: >I have two of these drives, the kind that uses the BIG disks, but i have not >the controller for it. anyone have one for purchasing? I also have ~70 disks >and even an unused cleaning kit for it. I don't have a controller either, probably why it's sitting up in the rafters of the garage. Think I should dig a big hole and bury it for future generations? -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

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Luggables

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

The luggables look cool on the outside, but they're pretty boring. The Compaq Portable seems to have a non-standard video card; it wouldn't run Works 2.0 correctly. I liked the one IBM Convertible I've seen, though they could have made it lighter. Unfortunately, it was trashed w/o my consultation [ 8^( ] and I never got a chance to try the software package that used to come with those things. If you ask me, the Mac Plus -like machines were/are better. At least they have a normal screen. I LOVE my Mac Portable, though it has a bit of an appetite for power. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Wanted Bernoulli drive

by manney＠nwohio.nwohio.com

I have the drivers for bernoullis (don't know what kind, but they came off an XT). manney(a)nwohio.com ---------- > From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > To: Manney > Subject: Re: Wanted Bernoulli drive > Date: Sunday, January 25, 1998 5:05 PM > > I have two of these drives, the kind that uses the BIG disks, but i have not > the controller for it. anyone have one for purchasing? I also have ~70 disks > and even an unused cleaning kit for it. > > david

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DEC and Apricots

by jolminkh＠c2.telstra-mm.net.au

>Two questions: . >2) I heard of a machine called the Apricot, which came in a portable >model w/voice recognition, and several desktop ones. It seems they >were all Intel-based. Could someone tell me if they were really good >as far as the GUI and voice recognition and everything else, or just >commercial junk? How much would these machines go for? The GUI was quite primitive compared to say a Mac of the same era. Mine are all monochrome, don't know if there was a color version. Hadn't heard of the voice recognition before. There is an Apricot wep page at http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4462/apricot.html

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Wanted Bernoulli drive

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

I have two of these drives, the kind that uses the BIG disks, but i have not the controller for it. anyone have one for purchasing? I also have ~70 disks and even an unused cleaning kit for it. david

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Wanted Bernoulli drive

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 10:55 PM 1/25/98 +0100, you wrote: >I am looking for 20M removable bernoulli drives. I use them in my music >console rack. Since two weeks I have problem with it and I can't read >old data. I make few radical steps included filter exchange but without >succes. This units are dedicated to my system and I can replace it only >for the same 20M drives. Maybe somebody, somewhere has useless items in I've got a dual 10mb unit sitting in the garage, but that won't help you. Does anyone else want it? It's pretty hefty. -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

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Are We Not Men? (& Women?) [OT^2] (Was Re: PDP-8/Es available [NOT!])

by weese＠mind.net

C'mon, Sam, don't hold it back -- tell us how you really feel! ---mikey > I don't care to hear about your drug addictions and your non-existent sex > life! It is of no interest to me whatsoever! Now, if you've got > something regarding old computers to talk about, let's hear it. > Otherwise, go join a support group. > > > BIG HINT: This was posted publicly in the hopes that others who might > consider writing about similar blather will get a clue. > > Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass > > Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! >

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Archives

by aaron＠prinsol.com

In the spirit of the last few posts: Hi, I'm new to the list. My collection so far includes several Sun 3 models, Atari 8-bit and ST stuff, a couple of old AT's and XT's, Apple II's and Macs, and a few CP/M machines. I am a former refugee from the mid-80's Atari user's groups, when the same people would meet *socially* twice a week - once for the Atari group and once for the skeptics/athiests group. Pleased to meet you all.... BTW, is there a publicly available archive for this list? Regards, Aaron Finney

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IBM Portable Personal Computer

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

there's an interesting story concerning my portable pc. i bought my first at a thrift store for $5 with no keyboard so i just ran a cable extender out of the back. quite a while later, i bought a box of keyboards at a radio rally for $5 and whaddya know, but there's a portable pc keyboard in there, complete! i snapped it into my ppc, and now it's complete. now, if only the same thing would happen with an atari power supply... david

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IBM Portable Personal Computer

by cgregory＠lrbcg.com

I don't know, Sam, but as one who does a bit of IBM collecting, there seems to be many more 5140s floating around out there than the 5155s. I have a perfect 5140 in my collection, but the 5155 has eluded me (so far). Cliff Gregory cgregory(a)lrbcg.com -----Original Message----- From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> To: Cgregory <Cgregory> Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 7:32 PM Subject: IBM Portable Personal Computer > >I just picked-up an IBM Portable Personal Computer (Model 5155, I believe >its basically a portable XT with dual 5.25" drives and a bulit-in monitor, >512K). [Hey Roger, it's got a handle!] I was also able to find the >Operations Guide for it at another place. Very cool. > >QUESTION: Does anyone know how many of these were produced? > > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass > > Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! > >

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Mac Development

by rkneusel＠post.its.mcw.edu

There are several freeware Mac development systems out there you can try if you are interested. Personally, I often use MacMETH Modula-2. It runs under System 6 or System 7, haven't tried it with System 8. I should post my version of it on the web as it has a library of Mac Toolbox routines that for some reason were not included in the usual release. Nice documentation, too. I'd also look at Pocket Forth (http://keaggy.intmed.mcw.edu/pf.html) which is probably my current favorite programming language. It is very small but fast and can be used to build nice little standalone apps. If you are curious as to how I have a recent article in Forth Dimensions that can be used as a starting point, just let me know. Others to try would be Yerk and Mops, both similar, both object-oriented Forths. Yerk is more likely to work on old Macs. I use them when the project is too large for Pocket Forth's dictionary (a 16-bit Forth, the others are 32-bit and very powerful, and very well documented) Aren't most of the IM books, at least the old ones, available from an Apple web site somewhere? I thought they were. Also, you'd be surprised (I am) at the amount of software that still runs on a 12 year old Mac SE under System 6.0.8! Finally, someone mentioned Apple's MPW as the way to get a CLI on a Mac. Another possibility is the Alpha text editor which has a command line shell and uses Tcl as its programming language. I don't think it runs under System 6, though. If you want one, write your own! Give the app the type/creator of the Finder, rename it Finder and put it in the System Folder. When the Mac starts up it will be used in place of the Finder. - Ron Kneusel rkneusel(a)mcw.edu

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DEC and Apricots

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Two questions: 1) What is a DECstation 312? Is it just a PC clone? What processor? 2) I heard of a machine called the Apricot, which came in a portable model w/voice recognition, and several desktop ones. It seems they were all Intel-based. Could someone tell me if they were really good as far as the GUI and voice recognition and everything else, or just commercial junk? How much would these machines go for? Ok, a third question: What is an IBM Eduquest? They are PC-like machines, but how different? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Okimate 10

by cgregory＠lrbcg.com

The Okimate 10 uses a serial connection designed for computers without a parallel port, such as the Commodore. There are interface cables made to allow such a computer to communicate to a printer with a standard centronics connector. However, I have never seen a way to do it the other way around (but such a beast may exist, FAIK). A more likely scenario is to find an adaptor to allow the Okimate to interface with a PC's serial port. HTH, Cliff Gregory cgregory(a)lrbcg.com -----Original Message----- From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> To: Cgregory <Cgregory> Date: Sunday, January 25, 1998 12:33 AM Subject: Okimate 10 > >I would like to inquire about the printer's cable connection. Will it >accept a standard centronics cable? I would appreciate any information >that you can give me regarding this matter or any information that you may >have about the availability of an Okimate 10 module that would allow >connection with a centronics cable. > >--Thank You-- > >whunt >

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IBM Portable Personal Computer

by cgregory＠lrbcg.com

The 5140 is the IBM convertible computer released in 1986, two years after the 5155. A real nice machine, BTW. Closer to a true portable (weighs in at about 12 lgs.) than the previous luggables by IBM, Compaq, Kaypro, et. al. Also one of the first (not sure of what I speak here) with a LCD screen. For a picture and complete specs go to: http://www.can.ibm.com/helpware/5140.html Cliff Gregory cgregory(a)lrbcg.com -----Original Message----- From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> To: Cgregory <Cgregory> Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 10:20 PM Subject: Re: IBM Portable Personal Computer > > > >>I don't know, Sam, but as one who does a bit of IBM collecting, there seems >>to be many more 5140s floating around out there than the 5155s. I have a >>perfect 5140 in my collection, but the 5155 has eluded me (so far). >> > > >I know what a 5155 is, I have two of those, but what is a 5140? > >

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Diagnostics for IBM PC AT ver 2.02

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

I had bought an AT at an auction sale once. it was the old type 1 board, with 512k and double stacked ram chips. much to my surprise, it was upgraded to the familiar AMI bios, which of course gave it type 47 for user defined drives! should of kept it for that reason. i sold it before i started my collection in 1991 david In a message dated 98-01-24 21:57:20 EST, you write: << Correct. The PC/AT bios only stores a drive code (a number that points to a table in the ROM) in the CMOS RAM/RTC chip. There's no support for storing drive parameters there. That's why there's a kludge ROM in this machine with a patched drive table so I could add a larger IDE drive to it. >>

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toner cleaning

by manney＠nwohio.nwohio.com

When I usta repair Xerox machines, I used trichloroethane to get rid of it. Do NOT put trichlor on hot metal (such as a fuser), or else you'll end up with phosgene gas, which is -- shall we say -- slightlu harmful. (It was one of the war gasses used during WWI). I've heard that trichlor was outlawed, but I still see it around. My favorite all-around solvent is MEK, but I haven't tried it on toner. manney(a)nwohio.com

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PDP-8/Es available

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

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new additions: macs!

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 07:30 PM 1/24/98 -0700, you wrote: >Dave: > >Sun Remarketing in Smithfield Utah still has MacWrite and MacPaint for >the 512 and I think they have an agreement allowing them to produce >copies of MAC OS 3.2 on 400k floppies. They did for me, anyway. Just >copied it. Good on them. They have a page, I just dunno what it is. You can also find System .97 and some other older systems and software to run on them available on some page out there. Do a search on classic+mac+software and it should pop up towards the top. -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

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diskdrive

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 03:21 PM 1/24/98 -0800, you wrote: >On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, James Bradford wrote: >Where do these damn posts keep coming from? And why do people think they >are sending e-mail to some dood when they post to classiccmp? I think that's how I got subscribed to this list. I came across an obscure reference to it on a web page and posted a message to it, pre-apologizing for posting, and asking how to subscribe. Someone immediately helped me out, and I'm now on the list. -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

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Off topic Topicalities from the Deep!

by higginbo＠netpath.net

<twocents> <topic=off> Isn't complaining that something is off-topic be off-topic in itself? Wouldn't that complaining be better directed to the list admin or to the off-topician themselves? That's my insight on the matter, on-topic, off-topic, under-topic, et al. </topic> </twocents> At 09:47 AM 1/24/98 -0800, you wrote: >sure it's all very interesting, our nerd lives, but I'm sure there's an >IRC chat room where you can openly discuss your life and views without >going severely off-topic. -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

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