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by manney＠nwohio.com

Don't forget to try re-inking if you can't find one. manney > Does any one know what type of printer ribbon can fit onto an original adam > (Colecovision)printer (ginerec one I thought Was a deablo hytype but it wont > fit. > And where to get one from I live in Castlegar, British Columbia Canada. > > Thanx for your help > > Chris >

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Nostalgia

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I have to comment on a few things that have recently been posted here. One is the addition of 37 books to a vintage library. How many books do you people have? One would need a bill gates-type house to store all of these old computers and books! I live in an apartment, and envy people who can- I am trying to sort out a few tens of manuals! Incidentally, I have finally gotten permission to take old stuff from a supply room in my school. I picked up Ventura Publisher 1.0, DOS 3.3 (I had an un-shrinkwrapping ceremony for that), and the PC XT manuals. And, there is lots more stuff. Harvard Graphics, printer manuals, that System/34 I mention every few weeks... What was the first publishing program anyway? Also, how many different home/small office computers have been made, do you suppose? Now, it's just Intel and Mac :( Lastly, I wanted to know if there was any place where I could actually sit down at an old machine and play with it for half an hour, just to get the feel for it. P.S. How big was the IBM 370? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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3270pc, 5272, 5271 stuff wanted

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

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Who's in PDX?

by rexstout＠ptld.uswest.net

Alright, this may be a REALLY stupid idea, but it sounds like fun. First, how many people on the list are in Portland, OR? Sure seems like there are a lot. Second, who in PDX would be interested in seeing a new classic computers users group? Not a dozen groups of C64 and TI-99 fans, but a UG for ALL of the old computers, wether it be an old mainframe/minicomputer or a funny looking micro. Well? What do you think? Would it be worth it? That's all for now, from my strange mind... But be careful, I might pounce at any time! :-> -JR http://members.tripod.com/~jrollins/index.html - Computers http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/1681/ - Star Trek

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Sun 3/50 and Shoebox

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"Richard A. Cini" <rcini(a)email.msn.com> wrote: > I don't have a Sun keyboard or mouse, so what are the > terminal-equivalent keys for L1? Oh. Never mind L1-A (or stop-A on newer keyboards), just press the break key. > I've tried the "b sd(0,0,0)" command from the montior in DIAG mode, but > it complains that the device is not present. I don't have a SCSI terminator > on the end of the chain, so that may be an issue (the shoebox did not come > with one; I ordered one :-)). Yep, it does want to see one. Something that you may want to look out for: some Suns (including the 3/50 and 3/60 I think) do not supply termination power on the bus. And some of these short the termination power line on the bus to ground, which can lead to fireworks of one sort or another if another device on the bus is trying to supply termination power over the bus to an external terminator. So you may want to do something like open that disk/tape box up, declare one device to be "on the end" of the SCSI bus, install the appropriate termination resistors on that device, and get that device to provide termination power to its resistors but not to the bus. Confused yet? Good. -Frank McConnell

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VCF gets media coverage

by dastar＠wco.com

I'm pretty proud of this so I thought I'd share it with the group. I hope nobody minds.

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CLASSICCMP digest 318

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> Subject: More books for the library >I added another 37 volumes to my vintage computer library yesterday. >By far the most valuable from a historical standpoint is the book >_Computer Power for the Small Business_ from 1979....[snip] Some of those books are pretty good, years ago I passed by many of them but nowadays they deserve a second look. >It contains information on systems we know much of, such as the Atari's, >Apple, PETs, Radio Shack, etc. But it also has blurbs on systems that >I've not seen mentioned anywhere else (at least not in a way that is >looking back on these systems with a historical perspective) like the RCA >Cosmac VIP, the Sol-20, Exidy Sorcerer, Heathkit H-8 and H-11, Intecolor >8031. >The best part is the descriptions of systems I've never knew about before. >Has anyone ever heard of an Outpost computer? Its a fully integrated >package with keyboard, display and 5.25" drive, but its almost three feet >wide, with the two 5.25" drive bays to the side of the display! How about >the PeCos One from APF Electronics. Is that the "imagination machine?" Never saw one, the production run must have been short-lived. > I have a pong machine made by APF but >who would've thought they once made computers? How about The Renaissance >Machine (aka Compucolor II)? I saw it in a computer store in 1980, I recall it was pricy, nice display, real crisp for the time, no hint of any decent games whatsoever... [snip] >Here's an interesting tidbit. Apparently Data General made a line of >computers dubbed "The Digital Group". According to this entry in the >table, they were systems based on the Z-80, 8080A, 9080A, 6800 and 6502 >processors; they had 2K of main memory; they used cassettes for storage. >Can anyone verify this? Really cool cases, seen lots of pictures, no actual unit though... 001010111010100100100101001001011011001001011001101011010100101110100100100011 Speaking of old publications, does anyone remember the the album (12" record) titled something like the "First Philidelphia Computer Music Festival" it was distributed by Creative Computing, had music for a variety of sources including some astounding stuff from Bell Labs and the like (a computer sythesized Daisy tune, cathedral organ sethesis of Fuge in D minor, etc.) as well as more contemporary for the time computer stuff (Cosmac ELF three-voice tunes, etc.) All of it was pretty extraordinary given the time it was recorded, to some it may seem old compared to today's 'sythesisers on a card'... 001010111010100100100101001001011011001001011001101011010100101110100100100011 From: "Max Eskin" <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com> Subject: Nostalgia >I have to comment on a few things that have recently been posted here. >One is the addition of 37 books to a vintage library. How many books >do you people have? One would need a bill gates-type house to store all >of these old computers and books! I live in an apartment, and envy >people who can- I am trying to sort out a few tens of manuals! It is not always the quantity but the quality too... I also live in an apartment and have to be somewhat selective of what I get... Many of my books are in storage... Maybe when I lin the Lottery I can buy a museum for it all... >What was the first publishing program anyway? For micros, I would have to say the original Print Shop by Broderbund Software, it was a landmark achievement in my books... Wow graphics, text with free-form design! I didn't say it was the best but one of the first most popular publishing program for home use... >Also, how many different home/small office computers have >been made, do you suppose? Now, it's just Intel and Mac :( Untrue Amiga is still in production (Gateway 2000 now owns em). I am sure there are others, you limit yourself by saying that... There are hundreds of brands/models... >Lastly, I wanted to know if there was any place where I could actually >sit down at an old machine and play with it for half an hour, just to >get the feel for it. P.S. How big was the IBM 370? Well where do you live? Maybe someone on this list lives nearby... Heck I'd be tickled to have someone come over and look at my machines while I fill their ear for an hour or so... Other than that there is shows like the Vintage Computer Festival. -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our Commodore 64 BBS (Silicon Realms 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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by chrish＠knet.kootenay.net

Does any one know what type of printer ribbon can fit onto an original adam (Colecovision)printer (ginerec one I thought Was a deablo hytype but it wont fit. And where to get one from I live in Castlegar, British Columbia Canada. Thanx for your help Chris

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ProFile interface/cable needed

by rcini＠email.msn.com

On : Fri, 6 Feb 1998 18:10:59 -0800 , Kai Kaltenbach <kaikal(a)MICROSOFT.com> wrote: >>Well, you need a ProFile interface card :) >>That's going to be hard to come by. If you are an extremely persuasive >>person, you may be able to get one from Sun Remarketing (www.sunrem.com), >>but you'll have to talk 'em into it. Hmmm. I've heard of these guys before, but never contacted them. Thanks for the lead. Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use) ClubWin! Charter Member (6) MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking ============================================

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slipping sticks

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

Gemmary tell me they're out of ES500 rules :( Pity, they were a bargain at that price. So, your next stop could be The Slide Rule Universe. The site is a bit hard to navigate through, but in the forsale section you'll find new Picketts and other rules - prices a bit higher... but if you need one you need one http://www.sphere.bc.ca/test/swap.html Cheers Andrew Davie -----Original Message----- From: Kip Crosby <engine(a)chac.org> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Saturday, February 07, 1998 3:50 AM Subject: Re: Re[2]: slipping sticks >At 16:04 2/6/98 GMT, you wrote: >>> PS: Brand new Pickett ES500 rules (quite nice model) can be had for US$25 >>[snip] >>....I've never heard of the Gemmary - can you give >>a bit more info? > >How about: > >The Gemmary >Box 2560 >Fallbrook CA 92088 USA >+1 760 728-3321 voice >+1 760 728-3322 fax >rcb(a)gemmary.com mail >www.gemmary.com/rcb/ website > >They sometimes have Curtas too but not for $25! >__________________________________________ >Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org > http://www.chac.org/index.html >Computer History Association of California > > >

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More books for the library

by dastar＠wco.com

I added another 37 volumes to my vintage computer library yesterday. By far the most valuable from a historical standpoint is the book _Computer Power for the Small Business_ from 1979. It is a buyer's guide for microcomputers of the mid- to late -0's era. Talk about a treasure. This book has pictures and decriptions of many computers I've never even heard of. It contains information on systems we know much of, such as the Atari's, Apple, PETs, Radio Shack, etc. But it also has blurbs on systems that I've not seen mentioned anywhere else (at least not in a way that is looking back on these systems with a historical perspective) like the RCA Cosmac VIP, the Sol-20, Exidy Sorcerer, Heathkit H-8 and H-11, Intecolor 8031. The best part is the descriptions of systems I've never knew about before. Has anyone ever heard of an Outpost computer? Its a fully integrated package with keyboard, display and 5.25" drive, but its almost three feet wide, with the two 5.25" drive bays to the side of the display! How about the PeCos One from APF Electronics. I have a pong machine made by APF but who would've thought they once made computers? How about The Renaissance Machine (aka Compucolor II)? There's also mention of the Teal SHC-8000, which is sort of like a pet with display, keyboard and cassette player in one unit. It then has a listing with about 40 different system descriptions, including CPU, memory, external storage, input (ie. keyboard, lightpen), output (ie. display, printer) and basic cost. There's also the company address which is extremely valuable for research. Here's an interesting tidbit. Apparently Data General made a line of computers dubbed "The Digital Group". According to this entry in the table, they were systems based on the Z-80, 8080A, 9080A, 6800 and 6502 processors; they had 2K of main memory; they used cassettes for storage. Can anyone verify this? I also got another similar book entitled _The Peter McWilliams Personal Computer Buying Guide_ circa 1985. I haven't had a chance to go through it in much detail but it is basically more nice descriptions of early- to mid-80's computers, again some of which I've never heard of. I'll do a review later. In my travels I also picked up a Victor 800 electric adding machine. I don't collect adding machines and only rare grab them for specific reasons. In this case, this is the same Victor as the Victor 9000 computer. I knew right away because the 'o' in the "Victor" emblem was that striped-circle that is telling of a Victor product (plus it had a Scott's Valley, CA address on the back). Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

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by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> How much is there on the 3270pc? I have absolutely NO documentation and > I'd like to have some refs. I have half a dozen to a dozen pages, I think. Email me privately at Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk with your snail-mail address and I'll post you a photocopy - I don't think there can be any objection to this (can there?) It is only marketing stuff, but it is not completely clueless (unlike modern equivalents!) Philip.

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Nostalgia

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 05:43 PM 2/6/98 PST, you wrote: >been made, do you suppose? Now, it's just Intel and Mac :( And AMD, Cyrix, Centaur, Alpha... -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

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Just a thought, Y2K Situation | Classiccomp to rescue?

by wpe＠interserv.com

Hi, Just a thought, but, this group has a handle on the "heritage systems" that are still in use..... Lott'a COBOL etc floating around... Could we, as individuals, or as a group, help work this situation? Could be a lot of employment out there, not to mention a "save the world" type thing... I apologize if this is off-topic, or out of line.... Will

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IBM 5155 Portable Personal Computer Available

by dastar＠wco.com

I ran across an IBM Portable Personal Computer (Model 5155) today in a thrift store sans keyboard ("sans" = "without" for the English language purists). The price was $50. I'd be happy to buy it and ship it to someone who would want this. I don't know if it works, but I believe I may be able to test it. I imagine shipping would be about $25 to the farthest corners of the country (I'm in California, 94588), more for out of the country of course. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

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PC/AT Config programs

by mallison＠konnections.com

Steve, and all, Its in here: ftp://204.146.167.81/pub/pccbbs/refdisks should be atdg207.* look in the gen_text directory for allfiles.txt for a list of all the bbs stuff. -Mike Allison Steve Przepiora wrote: > > Hi, does anyone have the setup utility for the IBM AT BIOS? > > Thanks, > > Steve Przepiora > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Name: vcard.vcf > Part 1.2 Type: text/x-vcard > Encoding: 7bit > Description: Card for Stephen Przepiora

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Sun 3/50 and Shoebox

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Hello, all: I got a no-name "shoebox" drive for my Sun 3/50M workstation. It has a Maxtor 300mb SCSI hard drive and what appears to be a 60mb DC600 tape drive. After reading the Sun FAQ, I'm left clueless on how to get it to boot >from the hard drive. The workstation that I got appears to have been a remote-boot type, because it looks for an Internet address at startup. Dirst off, how do I change the default boot device? Second, what are the appropriate SCSI device IDs for the hard drive and tape drive? Right now, they are set for tape:6, drive:4 (I remember from somewhere that the Suns look for a drive on ID=6). Thanks! Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use) ClubWin! Charter Member (6) MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking ============================================

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Dec/Vaxstn 3100, and source in SF

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

>>Anyway, the place I saw them is called HMR Global Recycling. They >> >> 5 Mac Mice $6.00 ea > >This reminds me... can any of you recommentd a good mailorder place where I >can find a couple of inexpensive Mac ADB keyboards and ADB mice (2 each)? Hmmm... Perhaps I could pick up some for you next time I'm there? What are you willing to pay for keyboards? Say, anyone in the Bay Area wanna get together there sometime? I work from home (generally) MWF, and can be somewhat flexible about my time. Lemme know... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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3270pc, 5272, 5271 stuff wanted

by mallison＠konnections.com

If you have any 3270pc stuff laying around, I'm still in the market for documents, software, parts, pieces or systems. Lemme know. Or, if anyone is in Cleaveland and might be willing to go to the Lewis Research Center to pick up items and send them to us, lemme know. There's a beer in it somewhere.... -Mike

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Real hackers

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 09:54 AM 2/6/98 -0800, you wrote: >Heheh. So true, unfortunately. The other extreme is the >fat-pud-who-eats-while-he's-hacking stereotype and then the Ever see "Cloak and Dagger"? Y'know the fat-pud-who-eats-while-he's-hacking character who gets killed? I got into a couple of fights because people said that that was me... P.S., I think real hacking is basically just a strong sense of curiosity, coupled with a need for adventure. A lot of people go rock climbing or skydiving or skiing or what-have-you to get their adrenalin flowing, and some get that same rush from getting a tricky program working (Like that web page generator I wrote a couple weeks ago) or from getting a circuit up and running. I think innovation comes not necessarily from a desire to innovate, but >from running out of challenges that have been done before. The first time you write a "hello world" program, it's great. But pretty soon, that, and G.P.A. average programs and Tetris-clones get to be old hat, and hackers start looking for new challenges, only there's nothing left they can say "hey that's neat, I think I'll try and do something like that" and they have to find something like "Hmmm... what if I used that thing to make doing this thing easier..." and voila, you've got Visicalc or whatever. P.P.S. warezloosers are just liquor store robbers in disquise. Doesn't take much intelligence to copy MSWord on to a CD or upload it to an FTP site. P.P.P.S. For them what was interested in my web page generator, I'm working on documenting it and will put it up on the web Real Soon Now. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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IBM Archive

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 04:55 PM 2/5/98 -0700, you wrote: >Anyone know where there's a good IBM program and/or doc archive that >goes back beyond last month? Really into the 80's Looking for original >PC stuff... IBM has one -- internally. I was just e-mailed some good info on the IBM 9075 PC Radio's I have in response to form I filled out on their web site. (Sorry, I don't know where...) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Panasonic 32k toy computer

by mallison＠konnections.com

I've had my eye on a little toy Panasonic, improved sinclair clone. Anyone know what's inside? It's silver with a nice keypad, letters with basic functions, tape port, tv port, etc. and 32k Can't remember the name off hand. Just wanted to know before a spend the whole 6 dollars. (yeah, I'm becoming a bit of a baby). But I coould pull down the Apple ][ + with a Z80 card.... I'm leaning towards the Z80.... but it's twice the price : -} -Mike

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Card sorter question

by harlen＠erols.com

Are there still usable punch card sorting machines out there? Do you know where any are? TIA.

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ProFile interface/cable needed

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Well, you need a ProFile interface card :) That's going to be hard to come by. If you are an extremely persuasive person, you may be able to get one from Sun Remarketing (www.sunrem.com), but you'll have to talk 'em into it. The cable is simply a DB25-DB25 straight through. Kai > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard A. Cini [SMTP:rcini@email.msn.com] > Sent: Friday, February 06, 1998 5:41 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: ProFile interface/cable needed > > I just got a ProFile /// hard drive off of eBay. What is the interface > card > that I need for it? > > Rich Cini/WUGNET > <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use) > ClubWin! Charter Member (6) > MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking > ============================================ > > > >

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ProFile interface/cable needed

by rcini＠email.msn.com

I just got a ProFile /// hard drive off of eBay. What is the interface card that I need for it? Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use) ClubWin! Charter Member (6) MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking ============================================

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Dec/Vaxstn 3100, and source in SF

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

Is there a difference between a DecStation 3100 and a VaxStation 3100? I saw some of each today at one of my favorite money pits (escaped for under $200 today!). Are they Vaxen or something else? I'm not too interested (I'm an HP 3000 guy). Anyway, the place I saw them is called HMR Global Recycling. They basically take a *HUGE* warehouse full of old PC's and Macs and ship them overseas everyday. But they also sell some stuff to the average joe. It's mostly as-is, especially for the odder stuff. They have the DEC stuff, plus some Sparc stuff, misc. Apple (mostly mac) stuff, and the occassional wierd thing. Sometimes they have good prices, and sometimes they don't; it depends on who you talk to and how they're feeling. You go in, look around for what you want, then find someone to tell you how much they want for it. There is no set pricing, or anything, they seem to make it up as you go. They're open to negotiation; I am generally able to talk them down a bit. Anyway, today I picked up: 4 DB25-Cen50 SCSI Cables (HP) $2.50 ea 5 Mac Mice $6.00 ea 10 Mac Appletalk kits MIB $2.50 ea 4 250MB 3.5" SCSI HD's $17.50 ea 1 6 HH drive ext SCSI case $20.00 1 HP 9114 disk drive $10.00 and the best of the bunch... 1 GRiD Compass 1101 $15.00 Anyway they have a web page (not much, last time I checked) at <http://www.hmr-usa.com/>, and they're located on 23rd St., just East of 3rd, near Army (or Ceasar Chavez for the tourists.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Real hackers

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<>> The name hacker has been dragged through the mud for far too long. <>> There's almost no real record of the 1st and 2nd generation hacks. (1 <>> were the hacks at MIT. 2nd were those at Berkeley and elsewhere, who <>> adjusted the Hacker Ethic to allow for making money. 3rd are the <>> present-day warez loosers. [They're here for refrence. Technically, Being one of the first generation hackers... Some of my better hacks was blueboxing and using it to call MITS about hardware bugs. The college dorm pay phone that always gave money back (the trick was truly hiding the diodes used so TPC didn't find them easily). Running a VLF (160khz) site, using FM on CB in the early 70s when it wasn't full of "breaker breaker". Though the three 12v car batteries used to power the 26v line on G's minuteman missle computer in the early '70s was pretty crufty. Sending 4800 baud data through a repeater while a principle engineer from RCA was telling us it couldn't be done. It can be handy not knowing you can't. ;) Sometimes it was as silly as putting a speaker to the link lamp of a PDP-8 front pannel and coding music. By the early '80s hacking was going to disrepute as the tech wars style came in. Early hacking was serious doing it on zer0 budget, the technically difficult with bailing wire or the subtle application of brute force. Most of all hacking was doing it with minimum docs and piecing the picture from it's smoke signals. that was hacking as I knew it. the last remnents I see todat is people talking about getting an old PDP-8 or 10 and using a modern IDE disk so they can power it up and run it affordably. Allison

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CGA Modes (Wuz: Win 3.0)

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

I forget who wrote half of this, but here goes: > Isn't PGA Pin-Grid-Array? (It's probably wrong, but hay....) [...] > You sure this isn't PGA? PGA = Professional Graphics Adapter, as Kip Crosby so rightly pointed out. When I was at IBM this was called PGC (C = Controller). FWIW, the PGC was three circuit boards bolted together, the two outer ones going into adjacent slots of an XT motherboard. It had an 8088 as graphics coprocessor, and did 640 x 480 x loads of colours. But back to the original question, > I'm sure my 3270pc handles a "better" quality CGA. It just looks like > EGA, thought it was... It was running a version of Norton Utes and it > was just beautiful turquoise blue set and clear characters. > > I'd have to think this was better than CGA, especially since it took two > coupled long cards to run the video... > > -Mike No, it isn't PGA. (Although most of the chips on the cards are likely to be PGAs, in IBM custom metal cans, as I recall...) The IBM 5272, the 3270PC display, was a very nice monitor. I don't know the pixel resolution, but I'd guess at 800 x 400. Unfortunately, AFAIK, it only did 8 colours. The 3270PC display card did TEXT MODES ONLY - it was aimed at emulating the 3279 terminal. You could buy two add-on cards for it that went in the slots either side in the motherboard. 1. The PS card. This provided emulation of the Programmed Symbols option on the 3279. Very nice graphics, but only as a terminal, not as a PC (although presumably you could have written PC drivers for it...) 2. The APA card. This provided support of the All Points Addressable modes of the CGA. These CGA modes were displayed in the top lefthand corner of the screen. And the only 8 colours reduced the capability somewhat as well. It looked very good, but AFAIK IBM never supported it properly. Pity. Later IBM released the 5370 series machines. These included the 3270PC/G and the 3270PC/GX. These had full graphics capability, the G on a monitor the same size as the 5272 (but with I think more colours); the GX had a graphics coprocessor (5378) in a box the size of a PS/2 model 30 and a 19 inch monitor (5379) with lots of pixels (1280 x 1024 I think, but could have been only 1024 x 768) and I don't know how many colours (but might have been 64). But your description of the 3270PC sounds like you've got only one of PS and APA, alas. Hope this helps Philip.

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Slipsticks and calculators and a clock

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<At 11:34 2/4/98 -0500, you wrote: <>Texas Instruments was naming some of their calculators "SR" (for Slide <>Rule) up until the mid-80's, at least. My first one was the SR-10...the <>"wedge". $110, IIRC....Was that TI's first? Not by a long shot. The first was in late '71 and went for about $140 (8bigit 4banger). I had one going into EE school. Allison

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Slipping sticks

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

Well, since we're on this subject... how can I resist once more mentioning... Slide Rule Trading Post http://www.comcen.com.au/~adavie/slide/ On my site you will find a link to JavaSlide on the main menu. That's a JAVA slide rule I wrote some while back, so you can reminisc even if you can't find your old faithful. Its quite good, actually. There's a society called the Oughtred society, with around 400+ members. Each devoted to their slide rule collection. I know of some people with 700+ units. Me, I have 30, including a 7 foot long Pickett classroom rule. Cheers Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Allison J Parent <allisonp(a)world.std.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, February 05, 1998 4:22 AM Subject: Re: Slipping sticks > ><At 19:20 2/3/98 -0500, PG wrote: ><>"Slipsticker"?!? I thought I was the last one! C'mon -- who else here ha ><>his old slide rule _and_ still remembers how to use it? > >I have my 10" white aluminum pickett handy and grab it when a quick >"good to three places" answer will do. I also use a E6B which is a >circular aircraft slide rule for time, speed, distance, fuel use and >wind correction. That one is in the plane as I'm absolutely certain >it works as the calculator version of the E6B allways seems to need a >new battery. > >Allison > >

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PS/1 How Much?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

there are many models of ps1 computers, that its hard to say. the first 2011/2121/2123 were of proprietary nature, and later ps1 types were just standard 486 pc types. later models had power management and suspend functions like laptops do. if its a 2011 or 2121 type make sure the monitor works, since the cpu gets it power from there. In a message dated 2/4/98 2:44:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, photze(a)batelco.com.bh writes: << I don't know if he was willing to GIVE IT TO ME. Anyway, what's a "garden variety" PS/1? What are un-garden variety PS/1's? >If it's a garden-variety PS/1, strictly he should pay you to take it, but >you can be a nice guy and let him give it to you. After all, that way it's >off his hands. >>

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Mid-Atlantic Antique Computer Club

by Marty＠itgonline.com

Thanks to all who responded to my request to form an east coast antique computer club. I've enjoyed corresponding to you all and will stay in touch. Would still like to meet more old computer enthusiasts. Marty Mintzell 5635 Heming Avenue Springfield, Virginia 22151 703-569-2380 marty(a)itgonline.com

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slipping sticks

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< Aluminium galls too bad to use with aluminium against aluminium. and it I used to used a aircraft silicone lube on mine and cleaned it periodically. Otherwise it would bind annoyingly. <been a lot of slide rules made of it. My MB_4 and EB-6 aircraft navigati <slide rules are both built of it. My dad had an old (K&E ?) rule that's <also aluminium. I may add that it depends on the alloy too. Allison

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slipping sticks

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

OK, well, about to enter high school, I've got this to say: 13 is for 7th-8th grade, so it's 14 minimum for high school. There are, of course, exceptions, like in Kansas and Florida they enter school a year older, etc. Actually, here, in 7th grade, we've got 2 14 and one 15 year old(s). And, people ARE much smarter, but they didn't learn anything in school, if they're like me. (Sam alert...) ;-) Tim D. Hotze -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Kaneko <Jeff.Kaneko(a)ifrsys.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, February 06, 1998 8:38 PM Subject: Re: slipping sticks > >>No, I do not have _my_ high school/college slide rule, which was a > >>magnificent 12" yellow aluminum Pickett with a hard leather case and a belt > >>loop. ... > > Nice! Why have I never seen an aluminium slide rule? > > Also, for the benefit of us non-Americans, what approximate age is "high > school"? > The age range for highschool in the US is 13 - 19 (approx). You usually enter around 13 or 14, and finish four years later (older but in general, not much wiser). 8-P Present company exepted, of course . . . . Jeff

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slipping sticks

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

>>No, I do not have _my_ high school/college slide rule, which was a >>magnificent 12" yellow aluminum Pickett with a hard leather case and a belt >>loop. ... Nice! Why have I never seen an aluminium slide rule? Also, for the benefit of us non-Americans, what approximate age is "high school"? At school slide rules were the only permitted calculating machines in maths classes up to age 16 in my day (academic year 1982-83) (requirement was dropped a couple of years later). I went through a series of cheap plastic ones and ended up with an expensive plastic one - I asked the local stationers for a replacement cursor and they sold me this really nice slide rule for the same price (one pound) just to get rid of it! This too has lost its cursor, tho' I believe I still have the rule somewhere. More recently I bought a decent wooden one for a similar price at a car boot sale - still in box with plate glass cursor. I also have a special purpose cardboard one with two slides that is meant to calculate the flow of water through pipes of various sizes, materials and gradients. >>700+ units. Me, I have 30, including a 7 foot long Pickett classroom rule. Wow! On a 7 foot rule you should be able to get four sig. figs without too much interpolation anywhere along the length. Or are the markings too coarse for that? Philip.

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VMS distribution?

by jfoust＠threedee.com

If only there was a mechanism to persuade companies to allow such hobby use of archaic software. It would be great if there was a standard document, perhaps similar to that OpenVMS license, that would eliminate the guilt from violating someone's copyright. "What's the harm" isn't good enough for me. To me, preservation of the rights of the old software is almost as important as the software itself. But it's not easy. It may be impossible. You can get an old system from a dumpster and if you're lucky you find floppies and the manuals. Take an example from one of my pet projects, the Terak computer. Terak was sold to CalComp, and CalComp was bought (or was always owned) by McDonnell-Douglas. The last anyone saw of the Terak assets was a semi driving from Scottsdale to New Hampshire. This Herculean task now consists of finding someone within MD who has the time and the good will to care, and who's been around long enough to know what the heck I'm asking for. Then I've got to persuade them to give me the right to, oh, copy some fifteen-year-old floppies for someone without a legit copy, or to write an emulator that uses the code and allow others to get a copy. I've long heard that some varieties of dark-side hacking involve Social Engineering that can open a door or shoulder-surf a password, but I doubt it's powerful enough magic to persuade a defense contractor to sign a paper to give you something for nothing. - John Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>

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Places not to put a soldering iron...

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

My Mac Portable has 2MB RAM, 1MB soldered on and 1MB on an expansion board. This board has room for more chips, which, if added, would make the board a total of 3MB. The problem is that the board has chips on both sides, so that the little legs stay on the surface, instead of going through. Can I technically solder on the chips by myself, or is it unrealistic? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Anyone know where I can get a wirewrap kit?

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

About how much would it cost? (Assuming you can get them...) -------

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VMS distribution?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<If only there was a mechanism to persuade companies to allow such hobby <use of archaic software. It would be great if there was a standard OpenVMS archaic? It's a current product and definatly a high end OS and it includs DECnet networking. Unlike DOS VMS is richly packaged with tools, utilities, libraries, editors, VMSmail, DCL command line language, macro32 and DECwindows client and server. <document, perhaps similar to that OpenVMS license, that would eliminate <the guilt from violating someone's copyright. "What's the harm" isn't Keep in mind while they grant a hobby license it's for 1 full version level behind. DEC policy was sofware that old is unsupported but the copyright is still valid. Still V5.4->v6.1 systems are still good for production work. There are still systems in production use still running them. Often the problem with "abandoned" software is finding the oner of record or who it is. Allison

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slipping sticks

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Nice! Why have I never seen an aluminium slide rule? No idea, here in the lat 60s and early 70s they were one step better than plastic but not as expensive as the bamboo or mahogany ones. <Also, for the benefit of us non-Americans, what approximate age is "high <school"? approx 15-18 years. <At school slide rules were the only permitted calculating machines in <maths classes up to age 16 in my day (academic year 1982-83) In the late 60s and early 70s slide rules were permitted where the calculated value was part of the answer for geometry, trig and calculus 90% of a given problem was the work and 10% the actual numeric result. In the technical (EE world) it'was expected you knew how to run a slipstick and answers were expected to be accurate to three places plus correct exponent. I was the first one to bring an electronic (pocket almost) calc but I still kept a 7" stick for quick trig functions. <boot sale - still in box with plate glass cursor. I also have a special <purpose cardboard one with two slides that is meant to calculate the <flow of water through pipes of various sizes, materials and gradients. I still have a few special ones including a plasticized paperboard one for coil spring design. The 15" I have is good to 5 places on the left and 4 on the right for basic finctions, trig and logs were good to 4 and 3 places. Allison

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slipping sticks

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

-----Original Message----- From: Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk <Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Saturday, February 07, 1998 2:09 AM Subject: Re: slipping sticks >>>No, I do not have _my_ high school/college slide rule, which was a >>>magnificent 12" yellow aluminum Pickett with a hard leather case and a belt >>>loop. ... > >Nice! Why have I never seen an aluminium slide rule? Almost ALL Pickett Slide Rules are aluminium. [snip/snip] >>>700+ units. Me, I have 30, including a 7 foot long Pickett classroom rule. > >Wow! On a 7 foot rule you should be able to get four sig. figs without >too much interpolation anywhere along the length. Or are the markings >too coarse for that? The 7' rule is simply a blown up version of a 12" rule. Everything 7 times bigger. Sure, you can estimate a bit better, but you wouldn't really want to try to calculate with this thing. Its massive!! PS: Brand new Pickett ES500 rules (quite nice model) can be had for US$25 at the Gemmary. Tell them I sent you ;) Cheers Andrew

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slipping sticks

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

Andrew, > PS: Brand new Pickett ES500 rules (quite nice model) can be had for US$25 at > the Gemmary. Who? Where? Seriously, I've never heard of the Gemmary - can you give a bit more info? $25 is reasonable for a nice slide rule, I agree. Philip.

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VMS distribution?

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> My friend (and I, for that matter), would never condone software piracy, > in all seriousness. However (again, hypothetically speaking of course) > my friend would have a lot of trouble understanding how posessing and > running an old, obsoleted version of VMS would bring harm to anybody or to > any organization. He might also be very disappointed that there were no > available inexpensive hobbyist licenses available, which, if one existed, > he would certainly jump at and support with his own hard earned money, > quite happily. If your hypothetical friend lives hypothetically in the United State of hypothetical America, he might, hypothetically, spend some time searching http://www.dejanews.com/ for the original hypothetical hobbyist VMS license announcement, which would (hypothetically) include a URL pointing at a place to obtain a hypothetical CD-ROM distribution. Your hypothetical friend would then, hypothetically, be reduced to finding someone willing to copy said hypothetical distribution files to hypothetically blank TK50s (hypothetically, some extra work would have to be done to build a hypothetically bootable standalone backup tape as well). I'd supply the URL, but I don't have it handy and I don't recall it offhand. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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Dec/Vaxstn 3100, and source in SF

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Is there a difference between a DecStation 3100 and a VaxStation 3100? <saw some of each today at one of my favorite money pits (escaped for unde <$200 today!). Are they Vaxen or something else? I'm not too interested <(I'm an HP 3000 guy). DECstations is MIPS (R4000 I think) cpu and VAXstation is VAX powered. What do they get for the oddball SCSI-68 to SCSI-50 cable Allison

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Tape Backup Software ?'s

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Uncle Roger <sinasohn(a)ricochet.net> wrote: >Does anyone know of a MS-DOS (pretend it's a 10yr+ old version) compatible >backup program that can handle a SCSI DAT drive? I have *not* been able to >find one. If you know of one, would you know where to find a copy now? I use a circa 1992 "ASPITAPE.SYS" driver I got from Compuserve to drive SCSI DAT and Exabyte under MS-DOS. I even had a 'tar' that worked with it. I'll find them and send to you in e-mail if you like. It was made by Greg Shenaut. In the docs his e-mail address is listed as marva4!gks1!greg(a)ucdavis.EDU . Now there's a blast from the past, if you want to keep this thread on topic and explain e-mail in the Old Days.

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VMS distribution?

by sethm＠loomcom.com

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VMS distribution?

by sethm＠loomcom.com

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Anyone know where I can get a wirewrap kit?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<You're in high school right? Is there any chance that when you graduate <you'll want to come out to California to work for me? I don't know if yo Hi, I'm interested... ;) Around MA they want a PHD to hack stuff like that now. Right Now I'm hacking a DEC vt180 z80/cpm card to run stand alone (without the vt100 case and power), Z280 design and a PC keyboard to ascii translator (8749 or 8742) to fit my needs for the z280 system. Fortunatly it's not a dead skill. Allison

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VMS distribution?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Here's a completely hypothetical situation for you: Here I'll make it simpler. Your can get (US residents currently) For free a decus basic membership, then get a VMS hobbiest license. Now, for a modest $30 you can get a CDrom with VMS versions 5.4 though V6.1 on CDrom for hobbiest use. (Current is either 7.1 or 7.2). So if you happen to find an old vaxen with VMS and a valid key it's likely cool. If you need a key for said beast you know where to get it(www.decus.org). The CDrom would be read/bootable on a vax (VMSfile system) so a RRD40/RRD50 or scsi compatable CDrom for a VAX is needed. now if you didn't have said CDrom drive but had the disk someone with a vax can cut a tape from it or just give you the savesets for any version from 5.4 through 6.1 and you would use the DECUS provided hobbiest license key. <Would anyone care to venture a hypothetical answer? :) Was the above hypothetical enough. <Also -- no longer speaking hypothetically! -- let's say that I (myself) <wanted to get a distribution of NetBSD on TK50 tapes. Is there anyone <in the group who could send it to me, in exchange for fresh virgin blank <TK50 tapes? Unfortunately I have no way of writing the available TK50 <images to tape myself, or I would. Check with the crowd on the PORT-VAX list. (check the NetBSD web page for help). Allison

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