- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

IT WORKS! IT RUNS! AND MORE THAN ONE TERMINAL!

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

It finally accepted the DH and started using it! I know have RSTS/E v8.0 running and 16 terminal ports that work! The only bad part is, I have ABSOLUTELY *NO* idea what made it start working... I'd given up for the night and started cleaning up my mess, when I got a dumb idea and hung the console teleprinter off the 3rd port of the DH. Pushed enter, and got crap. Screwed with baudrates and other etc. and got logged in. Went upstairs and stole a VT100 off their router (They won't notice... I'll put it back...) and tested it out. All the ports are at funny baudrates and such, but they all work! Now, I have to think of a way to get this online... -------

28 years, 2 months

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FREEBIES! A Pair of MicroVAX II'S need a home!

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

Seen on Usenet. If you can adopt these fine machines, contact the original author directly. Thanks! -=-=- <snip> -=-=- From: "Erie Patsellis" <eriep(a)map.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec Subject: free to good home- 2 MVII (western mass) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 08:37:25 -0500 Lines: 6 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.71.19.191 Message-ID: <34f9645f.0(a)204.71.19.13> Path: Supernews70!Supernews73!supernews.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.71.19.13!204.71.19.13!204.71.19.191 Xref: Supernews70 comp.sys.dec:60992 due to change in living situation, I have 2 MVII's available, just email me to pick them up. erie -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, SysOp, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fido 1:343/272) kyrrin2 {at} wiz<ards> d[o]t n=e=t "...No matter how hard we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object, event, or living creature, in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them!..."

28 years, 2 months

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Epson QX-10 / AT&T 3B1

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

[doug on qx10] :It sounds like a nice little CP/M box with bank-switched memory :that can also run VALDOCS (whatever that is). yes. shame about VALDOCS really. it seems to have killed forth's reputation for all time. it was reputedly an integrated package written in forth - unfortunately, it seems, the people who wrote it were less than competent. for some reason it has an awful reputation, as slow, buggy, etc. never used or seen it - even in magazine reviews (not for the want of trying either) - hence the vagueness. please, someone furnish further details...? did epson ever release the source? (hmm. other things written in forth were more successful - vp-planner springs to mind, since it was so successful lotus killed it...) -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her... Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive

28 years, 2 months

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Epson QX-10 / AT&T 3B1

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

I've spotted one, owner has original boxes, packaging. And the technical manuals - condition excellent. Is this a computer worth salvaging? I'd likely have to pay around US$65 He also has a AT&T 3B1 in great shape, but doesn't know what its worth. Any comments on these two appreciated. Cheers A

28 years, 2 months

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Radio Shack CoCo for sale

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

How much? > >Check out http://home1.gte.net/okay/for_sale.htm >This equipment has been in my closet since I got my first PC in '87 >I wan't to sell as a package. >Gary > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 2 months

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cprohman@ix17.ix.netcom.com

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

NEC APC that reminds me. we always fancied an nec apc... but what we wanted even more than that was a samurai s16. anyone else remember these? also 8" disks, 8088 running at around 4MHz, 128k basic ram, design that looked very apc-ish and quite lisa-ish also (there were a number of machines with that styling. immediately we can think of the lisa, nec apc, ncr decision mate/v, samurai s16. any more...?) the last we heard of the s16, some firm was flogging it off for 400 quid a throw or thereabouts, in response to the amstrad el cheapo pc. -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her... Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive

28 years, 2 months

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Wanted stuff (Was: Pretty good week)

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

[tony duell] :Didn't they? There's at least one PC-jr in the UK in operational :condition, although without the original PSU, so I can't comment :whether there was ever an IBM 240V transformer unit for them. Mind :you, the technical manual only lists a 115V model. some of them must have leaked across the atlantic, even in some official capacity, but they were certainly never sold here. they were axed in the us before they could be introduced here. given how long britain had to wait for the ibm pc (and the resultant popularity of the sirius) it isn't really all that surprising... we also seem to remember personal computer world reviewing a model that they described as "the pcjr done right", which was called something like the jx and was only available in japan, and used 3.5" disks years before anything else did. are we remembering correctly...? -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her... Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive

28 years, 2 months

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PDP-11 rescue in UK

by jfoust＠threedee.com

28 years, 2 months

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Pretty good week

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 09:37 PM 2/26/98, you wrote: >Awww! And all I've been able to get this week is a HP-97, HP-9815 with >various interfaces and a HP 9871 printer and a Commodore Pet 2083 with >MODEM, dual disk drive, printer and tractor feed attachment with all the >docs and software. Geez, where do you guys keep all these computers??? My wife would kill me, and my daughter of 19 months would tear them up. This is one reason why I collect GRiD laptops. They are the last word in durability, and are small compared to desktop systems and others. (BTW, All I did this week was get Red Hat 5.0 setup and running on both my home and work machines, not that I'm trying to go off topic or anything...)

28 years, 2 months

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16 bit 6502?! No, you don't want it... trust me!

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

That's the dog I programmed. SNES. A -----Original Message----- From: kroma <kroma(a)worldnet.att.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, March 02, 1998 1:02 AM Subject: Re: 16 bit 6502?! No, you don't want it... trust me! > > >>Having spent 2 years programming the 65816, believe me you DON'T want to >>play with a 16 bit 6502!!!! The memories, the memories.... There was a >>processor dog if ever I saw one. Interpretation of opcodes was dependant >on >>the mode the processor was set to, and so if you branched to a section of >>code when you were in the wrong mode, results were... screwy. >> ><snip> > >(Getting off topic a bit) >I believe Nintendo did pretty good with it in their second generation >system, the "Super Nintendo." > > -- Kirk > > >

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16 bit 6502?! No, you don't want it... trust me!

by kroma＠worldnet.att.net

>Having spent 2 years programming the 65816, believe me you DON'T want to >play with a 16 bit 6502!!!! The memories, the memories.... There was a >processor dog if ever I saw one. Interpretation of opcodes was dependant on >the mode the processor was set to, and so if you branched to a section of >code when you were in the wrong mode, results were... screwy. > <snip> (Getting off topic a bit) I believe Nintendo did pretty good with it in their second generation system, the "Super Nintendo." -- Kirk

28 years, 2 months

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Epson QX-10 / AT&T 3B1

by cgregory＠lrbcg.com

VALDOCS is an early example of a "works" type program for CP/M although its most noteable module was the spreadsheet. My wife liked it much better than Lotus 123. I have both a QX-10 and a QX-16. They are both quality boxes. The QX-16 is especially fun because one can boot it in either CP/M or MSDOS. I would encourage anyone to rescue examples of these fine machines. If I didn't already have one, I would be tripping all over myself to obtain a fully documented QX-10 for $65.00. In fact, if you decide to pass, let me know who to contact; I wouldn't mind having a spare. Cliff Gregory cgregory(a)lrbcg.com -----Original Message----- From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> To: Cgregory <Cgregory> Date: Sunday, March 01, 1998 2:56 AM Subject: Re: Epson QX-10 / AT&T 3B1 >On Sun, 1 Mar 1998, Andrew Davie wrote: > >> I've spotted one, owner has original boxes, packaging. >> And the technical manuals - condition excellent. >> Is this a computer worth salvaging? I'd likely have to pay around US$65 > >A quick "power search" of Deja News will tell you that this machine has >sold recently in a range from $0 to $100 (my cursory look yielded 2 for >free, 2 at $50, and one at $100). > >It sounds like a nice little CP/M box with bank-switched memory that can >also run VALDOCS (whatever that is). > >-- Doug > >

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Demography?

by adam＠merlin.net.au

My turn. :) I'm a collector in Adelaide, South Australia - not the only one here, but one of a very small number. I'm 28, and until very recently I was a student, doin a Masters in Philosophy. (In case anyone cares, my thesis concerns the ethical status of hypothetical artificial minds - basically I'm looking at the criteria for ethical value employed with people and in animal ethics, and working out whether that criteria can be met by an artificial intelligence). As far as occupations go, I have a few (being a typical long-term student) - I'm a welder, do some web page design, some internet consultancy, Perl coding, teach ethics and critical thinking to nurses, actually get paid to MOO, work occasionally as a human guinea pig in medical tests and I am a professional Teddy Bear artist. :) I've worked in a few other areas, but they'e the most recent/current ones. Anything to pay for more computers. I started collecting late last year, although I had wanted to for ages. My first computer that I used was my uncle's Microbee - an Australian Z80 kit computer - but I rapidly moved to the TRS-80 Model 1 and Vic-20. Last year I was offered a Lisa 2/5 to save it from being scrapped, so I figured it was about time I went and picked up all the old computers I wanted when I was younger. Mostly I only get Micros, but I do branch out - it seems that I'm getting my first supercomputer soon. :) My current collection consists of (from memory - I'll probably miss a few): Amstrad CPC6128 (x2) and Notepad NC100 Apple ][+, ][e enhanced, ][e platinum, ][c (x6), ][gs, ///+, Lisa 2/5, Mac 512k Atari VCS, 400, 800, 800xl (x2), Portfolio Commodore VIC-20 (x3), 64c (x2), SX-64, 128, PC-10 DEC Microvax II Dick Smith Electronics Wizard, Dick Smith System 80 (x2), VZ-300 Exidy Sorcerer Honeywell Microsystem 6 (I'm still hunting for any information about this one). IBM PC/XT Mattel Intelvision Memotech MTX-500 Microbee 64k Sharp MZ-721 Surwave Amigo Tandy TRS-80 Model 4P, CoCo 1, CoCo 2 Wang 286 And today an OSI Challenger 4P arrived. :) Keen. My bigest wishes at the moment are for a NeXT Cube, and Apple ][c+ and a Spectravideo 318/328. Adam.

28 years, 2 months

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Radio Shack CoCo for sale

by okay＠gte.net

Check out http://home1.gte.net/okay/for_sale.htm This equipment has been in my closet since I got my first PC in '87 I wan't to sell as a package. Gary

28 years, 2 months

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Able DH/DM card info

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

OK, I've figured this is an Able DH/DM card, and it's not at all set right. Anyone have jumper/DIP switch info on thsi? -------

28 years, 2 months

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NEC APC

by cprohman＠ix17.ix.netcom.com

A seach of the Web yields numerous hits on "NEC APC", many of which are >from cable companies. You should have no difficulty in finding cables for the computer. I can tell you that the APC indeed belongs in your museum! If there ever was a machine which stood out as before its time, that is the NEC APC. The monitor was high resolution color (I hope you got the color version) at about 640x480 if I recall. It had a dedicated graphics chip which could do line drawing, curves, etc. It had about a 102 key keyboard. It had a 1MB floppy (8", of course). It had a sound chip and integrated speaker capable of reasonable music. Does yours have a hard drive? The early hard drives were 10MB externals, by the way, so you no doubt have some kind of external connector for that as well. Many of these advanced features later (or much later) were added to the PC. IBM eventually came out with EGA, which nearly matched the APC. With the AT they nearly matched the APC's keyboard (though they still neglected putting an "ENTER" key on the keypad), and surpassed the APC's floppy capacity. It took many years though before the PC added sound cards with better capability than the APC, or graphic accelerators with dedicated graphics chips. Too bad that your APC didn't come with documentation. The APC shipped with the best documentation I have ever seen, including internal schematics, a decription of all internal logical features, and a even a full listing of the BIOS on a disk. The documentation allowed me to write for example an interrupt driven print routine to replace the timing based BIOS print routine. Using my print driver the APC was capable of fully driving a 300LPM printer, or capable of driving a 100cps printer while simultaneously doing a program edit. Try that on an early PC! I hope you got some software. The original disk included a program "BACH", which demonstrated its musical prowess. Later machines shipped with a simple program I gave to NEC called "PLAY" which allowed the machine to play music coded into a text file which listed the notes to be played and the duration of each note. Usage was "PLAY filename". Banjo music worked particularly well. There was also an impressive program that demonstated its color graphics potential. Carl

28 years, 2 months

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Lisa for sale (forward)

by dastar＠wco.com

Reply directly to the author (zzyzx97(a)earthlink.net). Buyer beware. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Path: news.ncal.verio.com!vncnews!HSNX.wco.com!nntp.csuchico.edu!newshub.csu.net!pln-w!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.250.118.17!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: zzyzx97(a)earthlink.net (zzyzx) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.marketplace Subject: FS: APPLE LISA Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 07:11:36 GMT this one is missing the power supply so I don't know if it works. It also has some corrosion on one of the boards, but maybe it can be cleaned....it looks like it can. The plastic has yellowed from being in the sun, but there are no cracks. The keyboard is nice. The mouse is missing the roller ball and the cap that keeps it in place. Sold as-is, please send me your offers. ZZyzx "Me, indecisive? I'm not so sure about that." -- end of forwarded message -- -- Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

28 years, 2 months

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Sorting arrays(could be considered off-topic)

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

While I am making this program in Visual Basic 5, this problem is way over 10 years old, and the program will be old computer-related. How do I alphabetically sort an array? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 2 months

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I ran into a wall again...

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

Closer... I installed the DH11 along with that ACT thing in the 44. Now HARDWR LIST says I have 2 DHes, and a DM. But hanging a terminal off the ACT thing yields absolutely-fscking-NOTHING. I don't have the origional DH11 distribution panel. But I have the wires that are supposed to attach to it... Can I modify a DZ11 distrib panel to use in it's place? Do I need to modify CSRs or something? Oh, and I already tried all possible combinations of cabling 'tween the ACT board and it's panel. On a sidenote: Anyone know how to break into an IBM System/34? -------

28 years, 2 months

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Unix V7

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

I just killed 2 hours playing wump under V7 Unix on my 11/83. Just so everyone knows, it runs, but I ave to boot RT-11 and say boot/foreign dl0: to start it... Now, once SCO makes a source liense available, I'm set! It's single user for now... Z -------

28 years, 2 months

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Wanted stuff

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

I've been dorking around with this idea for a while now, and this seems a good lead-in. The basic problem was that the classiccmp web page seems to be permanently dead. Take a look at these URLs... http://www.cs.unc.edu/~yakowenk/classiccmp/ http://www.cs.unc.edu/~yakowenk/classiccmp/dwp.html http://www.cs.unc.edu/~yakowenk/classiccmp/keywords.html and, of course, http://www.cs.unc.edu/~yakowenk/classiccmp/wanted.html Suggestions are welcome, of course. Cheers, Bill.

28 years, 2 months

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Wanted stuff (Was: Pretty good week)

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

On 1998-02-28 classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu said to lisard(a)zetnet.co.uk :apple //gs and a //c+ to complete my apple ][ collection, mmm, a //gs... yes please here also. the thought of a 16-bit 6502 to play with... :> (yep, even though we have a special affection for the much maligned 286.) as for a //c+ - were they the ones with the 3.5" disk instead of the 5.25"? we saw them in the states, one of the times we went over there (arizona - little hack shop in tucson that had all kinds of old hardware for frankly, silly prices; lots of pcjrs, which we'd also like one of, since they never made it over here) and thought they were cute, but we don't believe they ever crossed the atlantic. was the disk drive the only difference, or were there others & what were they if so? -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her... Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive

28 years, 2 months

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Aaargh! Item identified (BASF HD?)

by weese＠mind.net

previous subject : Can anyone identify this item ? (BASF HD?) > > On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Lynn & Mike wrote: > > > BASF model 6106, part #54670 > > > > Looks like a HD, connected to a floppy with a > > ribbon cable, which then goes to the motherbd. > > Found in what appears to be a homebrew TRS80-type > > puter with LNW expansion board. > > So this morning I walked past the Beast & noticed that what I had thought was a solid panel had an inner part that was open, hinged at the top, the little black raised rectangle at the bottom had gotten pushed & the door had popped open, & I pulled a 5 1/4" disk out of it....... (duh) ---mikey

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Wanted stuff (Was: Pretty good week)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

Hi, Tony. You're up late too :-) Seems we have quite a lot in common :-) > I don't know if I have a spare one, but I can trivially copy the EPROM > from the one in my Acorn System - I know where that is. That would be great. What size EPROM shall I send you? Can you see if you can find the Flex disk one day, as well? > I am looking for some of the Acorn user manuals/schematics from that > period - I think I need the 6502 CPU schematic, and the 80 column VDU > schematics/manual. It wouldn't be hard to reverse engineer them, though. I'll photocopy any of those I've got for you. Mail me a list. > Oh, and I have some kind of user I/O card in one of my Atoms that looks > as though it belongs in a System. It's easy to fit such cards to my Atom, since it's missing the bottom half of the case :-) > I know I have the 6809 manual, the Acorn DOS manual (including the disk > controller schematics), the Econet manual (System + Atom econet info), etc. Was the Acorn DOS for the Atom or 6502-based System? I assume the 6809 ran some variant of Flex? > I have a PromPro8X which does most 27xx from the 2716 onwards, and also > the bipolar and PAL modules for it. The latter only does the MMI Pals, > though. Then I have a homebrew (Elektor) GAL programmer, an Intel UPP > (2708's and 2716's), an Intel MCS8i (1702's), a Softy 1 (2708's again), a > strange thing which does upto the 2732 (including the 2708 and the 3-rail > 2716) based on an SCMP - and the 8-way copier that goes with it, etc. Hmmm... I still have the Softy-1 schematics, and I'm sure that uses an SC/MP. > One day I'll buy a modern universal programmer, but not yet... I had a Softy-1 and I wish I still did, since not many programmers do the 3-rail devices these days. Now I have a little box that sits on the 1MHz bus (it was meant for a BBC B but I have it on my Archimedes 440 now) which does 2716 - 27128, and I use a little adaptor for 27256/27512. The Department has two S3's and an S4, which I'm occasionally allowed to borrow, since they do up to 27400x. I came across a pair of 1702's in a pile of junk a few weeks ago. they're getting rare, now. I also have all the bits to build the Elektor GAL programmer (Manfred Nosswitz's design). First I'm going to redo the PCB layout, as I intend to incorporate the daughter board (for the updated version) on the same PCB, and possibly use a different DAC (the original one is a rarity, and expensive). I have the disk for the s/ware as well, but I wish I could get the source -- it grieves me to have to run it on a PC instead of a real computer. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 28, 19:10, Tony Duell wrote: > > The first machine I owned was a Sorcerer; I still have one (not the same > > one, sadly) and I'd love to get the WP Pac and the DevPac (or copy of the > > code) to replace those I sold nearly two decades ago. > > Again, I'd really have to hunt for it, but I think I have the word > processor ROMs somewhere.... I'll send you some 2716's :-) > I know I have (and I know where it is) the technical manual for the > sorcerer and the S100 expansion box if you need any info. I may have sold the original machine, but I wasn't daft enough to let the tech manuals (as opposed to user guides) go with it. :-) In fact, I have both versions of the tech manual, plus the software manual, and the S100 manual. About two years ago, I used the Sorcerer for some serious development work -- debugging the code for an embedded Z80 -- and I updated the monitor ROMs. Gosh, was there ever a lot of redundant junk in there! It must have been cut-and-pasted out of something else, I reckon. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

Hi, Tony. Thanks for the response. I can't do much about it over the next two weeks, because I'm 12 days from dissertation hand in (with, naturally, four weeks work to do), but I'm certainly interested. > Well, I have one (or maybe 2) 6809 CPU boards from Acorn... > > Do you insist on an 'original' EPROM, or would a copy in a new 27xx be > OK? I have an EPROM programmer, you see, and I'm pretty sure Acorn > wouldn't mind after all these years, especially not for restoring a machine. > > Also, do you need schematics/ROM source for the 6809 board? I have those > as well, I think. > > It would take me _months_ to find it, but I may have a Flex boot disk for > the 6809 Acorn machine. I'd love a 6809 board. I have the User Manual (and some others from similar era) and the Eurocard schematics (as you may remember). I don't think I have the ROM source, so that would be nice. I do have a rather nice Eurocard rack (empty, cost me a fiver, and that was only because it had a nice PSU). I'd like to build a floppy add-on for the 6809 (I have the schematics for Acorn's one, and I think I even have the parts), so the Flex boot disk would be a goodie. I don't care if any of the firmware/software is original or an "off-site backup". Since I worked for Acorn, I can assure you they wouldn't care about copying such old stuff (unless it was ridiculously blatant for-profit misuse). I copy ROMs myself, all the time -- there's nothing worse than finding it's the ROM/PROM/PAL that's died in some old board, so I like to make copies of anything I get, for security. Yes, I know some manufacturers dislike that, but I've had two bad experiences trying to track down replacements. I have a 27xxx programmer of my own, but I wish I could persuade the Department to let me keep the MicroPross programmer (the one that knows how to program every TTL PROM, almost every 27xx, 27xx, 28xx EPROM, and umpteen PALs). It may be ten years old, but I've not seen anything else with a quarter of the performance. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

28 years, 2 months

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by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 28, 22:47, lisard(a)zetnet.co.uk wrote: > hmm. did the acorn 32016 workstation ever emerge, or did the arch > effectively replace that concept? Yes, they first appeared a the Acorn Cambridge Workstation (ACW) which was basically a BBC B-plus board inside a wierd monitor-type case, with a Microvitec 14" colour monitor, a custom PSU, a 5.25" 80-track floppy, a 20MB winchester, a 32016 with 4MB of RAM, and a LOT of metalwork. They didn't make many; I had one for a while (I worked for Acorn) but passed it on to a dealer eventually (idiot!). I've since seen two or three others. There were some other similar-looking machines in the range. For example, the ABC -- Acorn Business Computer, a Z80 instead of the 32016; and one with a 80186 and DR-DOS. Both were axed very quickly. I've still got some of the bumf for those... There was also a Second Processor version in a small box, as an add-on to a BBC Micro. That came in two versions, one had 512K of memory (IIRC) and the other had 4MB (same as the ACW). They ran the same firmware/software as the ACW, including PANOS, a sort of cross between Unix and Flex, with hints of UCSD. The Second Processor version remained in production for several years, eventually being available as an add-in for the Master 128 which replaced the BBC Micro (this version was called the Master Sientific, but it was just the same item). I've still got the glossies for those, too... -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

28 years, 2 months

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Wanted stuff (Was: Pretty good week)

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

On 1998-02-27 classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu said to lisard(a)zetnet.co.uk :> ah, if we're going to get on to the "what do i wish for?" list... :Well, I don't recomend killing me to get your hands on my little :collection... And I rarely sell machines. never dream of it (unless of course, you were to flip and unload your entire collection into the nearest municipal dump. *then*, you'd be targeted... but that isn't going to happen ;> ;> ) :> any system based on the 32xxx (a ceres would be nice, but we doubt :> they're available...) :More practically, there are still a number of Whitechapel MG1's :about. Repairing one is not hard - the main problem is the NiCd :battery used for starting it. A Technical manual does exist... hmm. did the acorn 32016 workstation ever emerge, or did the arch effectively replace that concept? :> a linn rekursiv (wouldn't you? ;> ) :Ooooh... Now that's a machine I don't have, and would like! very rare though. linn only ever used them in-house, and god knows if they are still in use. :What about a Zilog 8000 ? It was/is (there's at least one still :operational) a Z8000-based unix box. Mine has an SMD disk didn't know about it. it'd be nice to find one, though. the processor is more important to us than the box it come in. (except that we would really love an olivetti, just because they're so ugly they wrap around into cuteness ;> ) oh, add a sirius one to the list; we forgot it. :> a perq :Does the fact that you've listed 'perq' about 4 times mean that you :want one from each series? no, it means we want one about 4 times as much as we want anything else. :> an original cp/m system or three (hm systems; the minstrel always :> appealed) :What do you mean by 'original'? If you mean a machine designed to :run CP/M, then there must still be some RML 380Z's (very solid UK :CP/M machines used in schools) about. Ditto for DEC rainbows, :Amstrads (although I don't like those myself), BBC Z80 second :processors, Epson QX10's (IMHO one of the nicest CP/M machines ever :built), etc. designed as a cp/m box is about the closest, but what we really meant was the other definition of original - the one that's a couple of steps either side of weird. :Just out of curiousity, why aren't you looking for the following :machines? :DEC PDP8, PDP11, Vax, any other PDP's? we must have deleted the line we were going to put in that said "any pdp that isn't 8 or 11". not an 8, because we want to write a simulator for that first; not an 11, because - well, it just strikes us that everyone's got an 11... :AMT DAP (Distributed Array Processor) how could we program it effectively? we wouldn't refuse one if it came along, but it isn't something for which we'd actively go looking. :Anything transputer-based what was/is there? did the ATW ever happen? :The Xerox D-machines (somewhat PERQ-like in many ways) rarity, didn't think these ever escaped from xerox. obviously if we were offered a dolphin or (mmmmm) a dorado we'd jump at it, but why break your heart because you can't get something that it's impossible to get? :Torch XXX, quadX, etc on the "refuse but not actively chase" list. :Tiger. Now there's a strange machine.. A Z80 + 64K RAM, a 6809 + 8K :RAM, RS232, parallel, cassette ports, 1200/75 baud modem, 7220 :graphics chip + 96K RAM, etc, etc, etc. It was going to be sold as :a home computer... didn't know of its existence - more information please...? -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her... Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive

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by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

[kip crosby] :>> a linn rekursiv (wouldn't you? ;> ) :Okay. Now, one person mentioning this is one thing, but Tony coming :back and knowing what it IS (even though it's Tony) is too much for :me. Given the name Linn and the funny spelling, I keep thinking :this is something like a turntable, but if so, why mention it here? :What is it? it's in the "great microprocessors" list, although it was a single-board computer rather than an mpu. exact details slip our memory at the moment, but the history is that the chairman of linn (yes, the company who make the turntables) wanted a computer system to replace the ageing systems already automating his production line. being something of a techie, he analysed the available systems, but none of them did what he wanted; so basically, they designed their own. what they came up with was the machine that the intel 432 should have been - the architecture of it was completely object-oriented, even down to the handle:offset-based addressing. a lot of oo mechanisms were done in hardware, there as no concept of linear address space, and the machine ran under the steam of its own language, lingo (used in at least one academic book on oo - we read it during our degree course - and afawk not related to the inferno project, although it's possible...). there was a byte article on it somewhere too (dick pountain). sorry for the vagueness. we'd recommend looking at the great cpus list for better detail. -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her... Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive

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16 bit 6502?! No, you don't want it... trust me!

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

>mmm, a //gs... yes please here also. the thought of a 16-bit 6502 to >play with... :> (yep, even though we have a special affection for the >much maligned 286.) Having spent 2 years programming the 65816, believe me you DON'T want to play with a 16 bit 6502!!!! The memories, the memories.... There was a processor dog if ever I saw one. Interpretation of opcodes was dependant on the mode the processor was set to, and so if you branched to a section of code when you were in the wrong mode, results were... screwy. All sorts of wierd and wonderful things when you switched modes; for example switching from 16 bit accumulator to 8 bit cleared the high byte, but switching the index registers the same.... didn't. It was a very painful time in my life :) A

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Apple Basic

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

On 1998-02-28 classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu said to lisard(a)zetnet.co.uk :Eh, heh. :So how do I get a modulus in Apple basic? The answer is not 'MOD' :or '%'. try A - INT(A/B) * B. certainly on our collection of homies the MOD concept just didn't exist, so you had to cheat. why? well, some of those basics didn't use integer math, and there's not much call for a MOD function in floating point. on the other hand, you could get yourself a real language like forth... ;> ;> -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her... Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive

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Wanted stuff (Was: Pretty good week)

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

::Torch XXX, quadX, etc :on the "refuse but not actively chase" list. hmm. please, insert a "don't" in the obvious place... -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her... Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive

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by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

[tony duell] :But there's very few similarities between (say) the PDP8, :the PDP10 and the PDP11. having read up on these, we'd beg to differ here. it seems to us that all the pdps followed a very definite architectural pattern, with the exception of the pdp11 which struck us as a major departure (the dg nova has more in common with the early pdps than the pdp11, to our mind). ok, so they weren't anything like binary compatible (well, between families - there was the 5,8,12; the 1; the 4,7,9; the 6,10; and then the nova / eclipse. all were basically accumulator-plus-memory architectures, it seems, even the 6 and 10; all had simple, regular, but very powerful instruction sets with minimal formatting and all instructions in one word (if you view the 6 word size as 18 bits and call it a double word machine :> ) - we can discern a very distinct family resemblance on the way up. the pdp11 marked a major change, from a 1-address to a 2-address architecture. we aren't sure it was a good thing... anyway, the pdp8 is much more similar to the 10 than either is to the 11. -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her... Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive

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by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

I might as well add my list: apple //gs and a //c+ to complete my apple ][ collection, tandy 102 disk drive a replacement floppy drive for my mac IIcx apple lisa david

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Pretty good week

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

On 1998-02-27 classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu said to lisard(a)zetnet.co.uk :Here, take my 10 year old copy of Minix. BTW, is anybody up to :speed on the current state of Minix? I have an itch to run *ix on :a 128K 8086 box, and it doesn't look like ELKS is ready for prime :time. minix is onto version 2 now; it's going the way of all unices by the looks of things. (kernel cpu detection, 32-bit mode, ram preferences listed in the megabytes region..) if you want to run it on a 128k system, best stick with that 10 year old copy. or rewrite uzi to run. btw... does anybody have a copy of the 16-bit coherent that they'd like to pass on? any version, the older the better. -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her... Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive

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Wanted stuff (Was: Pretty good week)

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

[andrew] :To everyone: Some judicious snipping of quoted email replies would :make it MUCH easier to read, and really is common net-etiquette agreed, but there's the balance between snipping enough to compress it significantly, and leaving enough in so that those without threaded newsreaders (and on mailing lists) will be able to make sense of it. -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her... Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive

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Future Computing Trends

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I agree wholeheartedly with all you say with one exception. I have a Pentium 75 overclocked to 100, 16MB ram. It runs Word 95 just fine, and ran it fine when it had 8MB. Visual Basic and IE4 (I don't use it regulary, Opera at www.operasoftware.com is much better: 1MB download!) work fine too. I can only imagine how Linux would run. But to put this in a classical context, I agree that old computers are still useful, but I so wish that they had better displays :) >Here's an interesting article from Byte magazine: > >http://www.byte.com/art/9802/sec5/art1.htm > >It talks about how computers are becoming obsolete the day you buy them >due to all the crazy new technologies being released into the market. My >observation is that anyone who chases technology and is always upgrading >to the latest and greatest is always going to have an "obsolete" computer. >The situation is not as bad as the article makes it out to be, not that >the article is actually saying the speed of new technology introductions >is a problem. But if people could be satisfied with what they have on >their desk, this issue of obsolescense would not be an issue at all. > >In 1995 I bought a Pentium-90 system which I clocked up to 100Mhz. It >came with Windows 3.1 but I quickly upgraded to Win95. It originally had >16MB RAM (which I've since upgraded to 32M) and a 1GB HD. It has a 5.25" >and 3.5" floppy and a CD-ROM drive. I'll soon be adding another 540MB HD >I have lying around spare, and then a 1.7GB SCSI HD as soon as I find a >SCSI cable. It's slow by today's standard, but the damn thing works. I >use an old version of Microsoft Works (3.0) for my word processing and >spread sheeting; some people haven't even heard of Works! They only know >Word. But Works loads instantly, whereas Word takes it seems forever to >load which is why I don't use it. Plus its bloated and drags my system >down. > >Which brings me to my point. The computers we collect are still so damn >useful! And this is not a new argument, but even though these old >machines don't have SVGA and EDO RAM and Ultra-SCSI and other new-fangled >fanciness, they still work! They can still process words, and crunch >numbers and hold information. And best of all, they play games MUCH more >fun than the current cache of cathartic creations; DOOM was novel when I >first played it, but every other incantation after it (DOOM II, QUAKE, >DUKE NUKEM, ETC) is the same game with a different "scenario" and >graphics, and that damn bobbing up and down makes me sick anyway! > >Give me Choplifter, Rescue Raiders or Dino Eggs any day! > >If you read the article carefully it gives a glimpse of the types of >machines that may be collectible in ten years or so. The article proposes >the dawn of the age of the "disposable" computer. This is totally >ridiculous. I cannot even relate to that mode of thinking. But on the >positive side, it means disgustingly cheap (and probably FREE) computers >10, 5, even 1(!) year(s) from now. More cheap PCs for us to run Linux on! >(Imagine having your own DLA [Distributed Linux Array] consisting of 16 or >more 300Mhz Pentium II PC, alls for just a song! You could break >government encryption with something like that :) > >People these days with their 333Mhz Pentiums with 128MB RAM and 4GB >harddrives should shut the hell up and be happy. > >Long live "obsolete" computers. > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass > > Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Oops!

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

This is an open note to all readers in this list... Sorry about the gruf comments regarding the message on the PS/2 boards I have for sale, it was intended to be a sarcastic remark and to the person that wrote it, not open on the list. As for the moderator of this area I wish to apologize for monopolizing on the messages of stuff for sale. I have a bunch to clear out and should really stay with the topic of the older stuff I might have. If anyone is interested in this older stuff I have please email an inquiry. I'm getting choked with things I've saved from the landfill so that collectors and hobbyists can enjoy them and I don't get them for free so please don't expect to get them free either. I'm making a few cents on this stuff and don't plan on getting rich on it and try to set a fair price on these things to help other collectors out. My "business" (however corporate or formal it may appear) is a one man part time thing to clear a few bucks to upgrade my equipment and eventually become full time. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 / Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Wanted stuff (Was: Pretty good week)

by TOwad＠aol.com

While we're making want lists, I'm interested in the following: Apple II Apple IIc+ Mac 128k Mac Portable interesting Apple/Mac stuff anything Lisa related TRS-80 Model 100 stuff I have for trade: 2 white Commodore 64's w/power supply 1 beige Commodore 64 in original box w/manual & floppy drive 1 Commodore Vic 20 w/cartridges 1 CoCo 1 w/original kb 1 CoCo 1 w/modified kb 1 Apple IIe 1 AppleColor 12" RGB monitor (for IIgs) 1 Laser 128 Apple II compatible Tom Owad

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PS/2 55SX motherboards

by hbrody＠ix.netcom.com

55SX boards are available for $7.00 each in the wholesale mags. bye! ---------- > From: Russ Blakeman <rhblake(a)bbtel.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: PS/2 55SX motherboards > Date: Saturday, February 28, 1998 12:06 PM > > Have a bunch of PS/2 model 55SX motherboards in the "Reply" boxes in > great condition for sale or trade. Will sell separately for $25 each or > will work a better price for multiples. I'll also trade for equal value > of cdroms, sound cards, parity SIMMs in 30 or 72 pin for other machines > I'm working on. Of course shipping is extra but these are light. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Russ Blakeman > RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 > Phone: (502) 756-1749 / Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 > Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com > Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ > > * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >

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What is this? XEROX 820

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I found a XEROX 820 in a trift store today. Can anyone tell me what it is? It has a base unit with a built in monitor. It has four ports on it. One connects to a daul 5 1/4" disks drives in an external box. Another connects to a separate keyboard. The other two are for a serial port and printer port. Joe

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Pretty good week

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

:Re: where to find them. You guys should be down here in Florida. :I find so many that I have to pick and choose. I left behind 4 :AT&T 3B2s, a NeXt, an AT&T 6300, 2 HP Appollos and 2 HP 9000/300s :yesterday. All of that was at a GSA auction at KSC. I did get a :COMPLETE Commodeore Pet set and a Vax Station 3100 for Zane. ok, so are there any jobs going in florida for cocky ex-pat limeys with a neat line in web development and a passion for tiny programs...? :> we'll have to start digging around at the computer auctions in this country - anyone recommend any firms worth talking to? -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her... Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive

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Walnut Creek CP/M CDROM Discontinued

by bwit＠pobox.com

My copy does not list any credits except for Walnut Creek. Walnut Creek CDROM Suite 260 1547 Palos Verdes Mall Walnut Creek, CA. 94596 (510) 674-0783 info(a)cdrom.com Bob ---------- From: John Foust[SMTP:jfoust@threedee.com] Sent: Friday, February 27, 1998 9:40 AM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Re: Walnut Creek CP/M CDROM Discontinued Walnut is a CD publisher. Unless they assembled the disc themselves, then someone else assembled the data and may own the (collection copyright) rights to reproduction of new CDs. Of course, they may be looking for a new publisher, or may try to publish it themselves. Walnut probably dropped it for lack of sales. They like to see at least 1,000 copies sold a month. If you own a copy of the old CD, check the credits and I'm sure you can track down the creator. Or ask Walnut Creek. They might tell you. It's more cost-effective and less risky these days to do short-run CDs on CD-R. Still, all-told you can get 1,000 "real" CDs for $800-$1,500, depending on which options you want. - John Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>

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Wanted stuff (Was: Pretty good week)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

> To everyone: Some judicious snipping of quoted email replies would make it > MUCH easier to read, and really is common net-etiquette these days. Indeed so. I was amazed at how full my mail spool got today. > Me, I'm open to trades - I have a spare Exidy Sorcerer and assorted > oddities. The first machine I owned was a Sorcerer; I still have one (not the same one, sadly) and I'd love to get the WP Pac and the DevPac (or copy of the code) to replace those I sold nearly two decades ago. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 27, 23:15, Tony Duell wrote: > > an original archimedes, with the original arthur os and the gui in basic > > Hmm... I still have my Arthur programmer's reference manuals, but I doubt > I could find a set of the ROMs, alas... Well, I'm pretty sure I have a spare set of Arthur ROMs; I *should* have two sets of Arthur ROMs plus one set of Arthur EPROMs, from Archimedes A310 Serial No. 27-AKB10-1000002. Which is still running, but now with RISC OS 2.00, and a few extras like a hard disk, extra RAM, and a network connection... If I do have spares, I might be persuaded to exchange them for some 6809 firmware for an Acorn System board. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Pascal System

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<The UCSD p system used a nonstandard disk format technique, the floppy <was formatted in "blocks" and you booted the systeem off the a drive. <It wasn't just a language, but an entire operating system/environment. <I still have a copy of it around here somewhere from a class I took in <the early 80's. This was largely true for the z80based and PDP-11 based versions as well. I still have the P-system for horizon single density. The language addressed "units" as devices. The standard ones: unit volume -------------- 1 console: 2 systerm: 3 graphic: 4 <volume name> system disk 5 <volume name> alternate disk 6 printer 8 REMOTE: system peripherals 9-12 <VOLUME NAME> ADDITIONAL DRIVES Now if the code for the system interface didn't go beyond 2 floppy devices your cooked as that was a p-system hard coded thing. Allison

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Looking for 3" disks

by dcoward＠pressstart.com

> > Mattel Aquarius with Mini-expander and two game controllers in excellent > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > These mini expanders are like mondo-rare. I don't think I've ever > actually seen one. While I'm thinking about it, does anyone know where I can get any blank 3" disks (for a Mattel Aquarius QD drive)? ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum =========================================

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Wanted stuff (and a donation for schools) (Was: Pretty good week)

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

I won't be left out either. I don't really want anything uncommon, and, even though I would like to be able to get minis, I move frequently and don't know about space, etc. until I get there. Anyay, here's my wish list: Apple ][ Stuff Cards, systems, I'll take it. Comodore stuff Don't have any, but have heard only good stuff. What most would call "worthless PC junk" OK, I'm a PC user. They're pretty nice, if you get down to it. I'll take it. Classic (non classic) Mac stuff I'm a PC user, but one that can change. ;-) Anyway, start at (near) the bottom, work you way to the top. And: A SMALL (less than 100MB would be fine!) IDE HDD, as I really need to get that computer back!!! (From my school, pretty nice AMD DX 40, 16MB RAM, and no HDD.) Ciao, Tim D. Hotze

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HP-48SX memory card for sale.

by KFergason＠aol.com

Is the HP48 10 years old yet? A guy at work has a HP-48SX 128K memory card he would like to get rid of. Is this worth anything? The maker seems to be Corvallis. And, in the serendipity department, I lucked in to a TI59 with the PC100C printer at work. Nobody knew what to do with it, and they couldn't get it to work. "Well, since you are gonna throw it away, let me just take it off your hands...". Which brings up the question, are the old TI's hard to find? Anyone collect them? I have my old 55, 55II, both of which died after a few years. This 59 still works, which makes me think it wasn't used much. I don't know, just rambling. Kelly KFergason(a)aol.com

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PrintMaster Gold 3.0 FS

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

Have a copy of PrintMaster Gold Publishing Suite 3 for sale. Includes original manual and cdrom. Great condition, has tons of grpahics, clipart, examples and includes extra fonts and graphics on disk. This program does everything including TALK! Cards, banners, leterhead, business cards, faxes, etc. Requires 486 or higher processor and Windows 3.1x or 95. Originally over $50 will take $25 shipped in the lower 48 states. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 / Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

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