- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

>> I used a TTY ASR-33 as a printer for my PET years ago. My memory is >> that if I left the receiver open circuit, i yammered away printing >> nulls; if I shorted out the loop it didn't. I interfaced it using one >> transistor - no power supply was necessary. >> >> +---------------------- >> | >> OUT b |/c >> -------/\/\/\/---------| NPN TTY >> |\e >> PET | >> -------------------------+---------------------- >> GND > > > For I've got a Kludge > And a good Kludge too ;-) > > Seriously, that works. I've done it myself a few times. But it's not the > official way to drive a teletype - the external device should source the > loop current. And I prefer to teach people the right way and let them > find out the kludges for themselves. Oh, yes. Absolutely. But I was disagreeing with your assertion that while 5V might do for the transmit loop, you'd "need" 12V for the receive loop. >> Note: I never interfaced the TTY transmitter - not even for reading >> paper tape (don't know why not) IIRC, one of the problems I had was the high resistance of the transmit loop - many kilohms, I think. It probably was mostly contact resistance and highly non-linear i.e. apparent resistance would be less at higher currents), but I wouldn't like to use only 5V. I'd suggest a reasonable sized decoupling capacitor to get rid of contact noise, too - say, up to 1 microfarad. > Err, because the ASR33 reader is horrible and mangles tapes? You have a > Trend, don't you? This was at least 4 years before I ever _saw_ any other paper tape stuff. Long before I got the Trend. Or even my little DSI box. (DSI = Data Specialties Inc. They made a 30cps reader/punch unit that was sold in the UK by a small company called Teleprinter Equipment Ltd. Never met either of them anywhere else.) Philip.

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North Star Horizon

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> It interests me why some one wants a particular machine especially <> since you do not seem to know much about it. < <Well, I can't speak for the person you were replying to, but in my <case I'm often interested in machines I know little to nothing about <because I'm interested in learning about them. Although you can <learn a lot without one, it can help if you have one to explore. That is a good reason. The fear I have and have encountered is people lusting for an XZ21 and when they get it find they are totally in over their head to do programming or hardware troubleshooting often required. The NS* was a good machine but it was S100 and beyond some general things was not a pop in a board and play thing like PCs. I get real scared when some one asks me if a VGA monitor works with a Altair or did it require a XT style keyboard! Allison

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by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I will say Amen to that, considering that I just mailed 9 boxes of MS-DOS 3.3 which were still shrinkwrapped and beign thrown away by my school. THat has to be $500 right there that could have been used on pencils. I won't complain about the fate the DOS 3.1 boxes met... > >> >> Personally, I believe the "computer literacy in schools is everything" >> movement is a result of inept teachers and a haywire NEA. > >Amen! > >> students should be introduced to computers (read: word >> processors/calculators) until the first year of high school after >> mastering basic reading, comprehension, writing and math skills. > > >The problem with introducing elementary and middle school kids to >computers so early is that they either a) know more than the lab admin, or >b) aren't allowed to use them in any constructive way. I'm only in the >tenth grade, but I've already seen seven new labs installed in area schools. >The school districts almost ALWAYS spend WAY too much on new computers, >mainly from the worst vendors, only to have to replace them when the >warranty runs out (with very little usage, BTW). The computers simply >aren't used until high school, when word processing/database, programming, >and other such courses are offered. Anything before is mainly a waste of >money. > >What about the 'net? I don't understand why people think that the >internet is such a great "tool" that will help schools. Just do a search >for "barbie" on Yahoo. Or, for that matter, try "video" or something >general. Especially considering that most schools don't use any >Internet blocking software.. > >It takes most people a long time to get used to using search engines in such a >way to get what they want. Most people in my school don't have any idea how to >use the 'net, and could care less. That is the general attitude at most >schools that I have been to. > >In other words, most of the money spent on computer equipment is a waste. > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Netscape needs Classic Computer Help!

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

If you haven't seen the news yet, I found out thanks to http://slashdot.org , Microsoft is pulling one of their dirtiest stunts ever in their attempt to destroy Netscape. If anyone doesn't think Microsoft is evil this should convince them, unless they are niave enough to think Microsoft isn't behind this! In what would appear to be a result of their assimilation of Wang last month, Wang has announced a Lawsuit against Netscape for Patent infringement. Basically Wang is claiming to have "Save As..." patented?!?!?! For an explanation see http://www.mozilla.org/legal/wangsuit.html I also like the Graphic and comment at http://www.mozilla.org The problem is, Wang is sueing them for something that almost EVERY piece of software available does! Netscape needs examples of software that do the things in the patent prior to March 30th, 1983. See the below information. Wang might be able to use this to get a Court injunction to prevent Netscape from distributing Navigator?!?! A lot of the Free Software fanatics are seeing this as a direct attack against free software by Microsoft, since Netscape just released the Navigator source code. Zane Here is the portion of the statement that is the most important: ----------- Wang is asserting that a patent that it holds for a video text system is infringed by the Netscape browser. Netscape is vigorously defending the lawsuit. Wang contends the patent discloses the invention of: Saving web pages retrieved from a server using "Save As" (See Claim 23, 24), Bookmarks (Claims 20-22), Saving files with file extensions and then retrieving the pages and decoding the files based on the file extension (Claim 38). The patent was filed in 1984. We believe the patent is noninfringed, unenforceable, and invalid based on, among other things, prior art such as the Alto & Star computers from Xerox Parc, Terminal Emulators, connectivity software prevelant in the the early 80s such as CrossTalk, Unix symbolic links (ln -s), and various other "video text" systems like Telidon, Prestel, Mupid used in the late 70s, early 80s. It's easy to say "of course that's invalid", but what is required are specific references to prior art. If you know of additional prior art publications, software programs, books, or systems in existence --prior to March 30, 1983-- which disclose and/or describe the claimed elements send us a message. Send responses or questions to mozilla.org. Please include the following information: Name of the Publication or System Date of the Publication or Date System Was Publicly Known Features it Discloses Where Can the Publication or System Be Found (ie. university, reference library, company, contact person) ---------- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ | | For the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/museum.html |

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OS/2 Errors..

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

>Qoo, Tim! >Wadda hell... If you say so. ;-) Anyway good to see you subscribed. >>OS/2 !! SYS01475 >>OS/2 !! SYS02027 >> >>So anyway, it freezes like that. This, BTW, is on a 2.1GB HDD, with no >>other OS'es currently installed. >It may be 2.1G that causes the problem - if it is used as single partition. >I heard that Warp3 isn't too well in handling big partitions. Try breaking >it into smaller pieces (<1G) Oh, yeah, that's why I gave specifically 2.1GB. So I'm going to have the boot manager, 120MB for Warp, 700 for Linux and the rest for Windows (remember, I need to run some Win32 apps, not by choice.) >hope that helps, >-andy Tim D. Hotze

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North Star Horizon

by staponski＠swpa.gov

Kai- I am interested in purchasing the North Star Horizon. I am not local and don't have a trade so would be a cash deal. Do you have any info about the machine such as amount of memory, type of floppy(ies), last known operating system, hard drive (if any), keyboard, monitor, and condition (working/nonworking). Thanks Randy Staponski

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Oh, what a tangled web...

by mor＠crl.com

With the recent discussion on the MTPRO price guide, the ZX80 bashing, and a bit further back the Enrico Tedeschi flame festival, I found it quite amusing to run across the following entry at eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=13957826 For those without a web browser, I'll just say that this is a book on Sinclair computer history, being auctioned by the author of the MTPRO price guide (who goes by the handle "ClassicComputing" at eBay). Most remarkable of all, the book was authored by a gentleman named Enrico Tedeschi. -- mor(a)crl.com http://www.crl.com/~mor/

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Can we talk about computers at least?

by bill.sheehan＠stoneweb.com

I'd love to check out the MIT Flea Market. When and where is it? "J. Maynard Gelinas" <maynard(a)jmg.com> on 05/14/98 01:15:48 PM Please respond to classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> cc: (bcc: Bill Sheehan/Corporate/SWEC) Subject: Re: Can we talk about computers at least? Well Agreed! Sorry I haven't been active in the list much... between work and a family illness I've been _busy_! BTW: Anyone planning on attending the MIT Flea market this Sunday? I doubt prices are going to be reasonable what with that $100 PDP-11/23 last month. --jmg > From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> > Subject: Can we talk about computers at least? > > People. > > Could we move the discussion about the perceived woeful inadequacies of > the current state of public education to a more appropriate forum? Like > say a usenet group? Or a new mailing list? Basically anywhere but here, > where it really does not belong?

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Can we talk about computers at least?

by dastar＠wco.com

People. Could we move the discussion about the perceived woeful inadequacies of the current state of public education to a more appropriate forum? Like say a usenet group? Or a new mailing list? Basically anywhere but here, where it really does not belong? Thanks in advance. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 05/11/98]

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Classics in Chicago area?

by archive＠navix.net

This is for those of you in the Chicago area, and anyone else that might be able to help me. I am just writing to ask if some of you might be able to direct to some good classic computer sources in the Chicago, Illinois area. I am leaving for Chicago for the weekend, and will have some free time to browse thrift shops, etc. Any place that might have a good stock of old 8-bitters? Thanks, CORD COSLOR -- ____________________________________________________________ | Cord G. Coslor : archive(a)navix.net |\ | Deanna S. Wynn : deannasue(a)navix.net | | | on AOL Instant Messenger: DeannaCord | | | http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/4395 | | |------------------------------------------------------------| | | PO Box 308 - Peru, NE - 68421 - (402) 872- 3272 | | |------------------------------------------------------------| | | If you don't have AOL (like us) but want a great instant | | | chat feature, just go to http://www.aol.com/aim | | |____________________________________________________________| | \_____________________________________________________________\|

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by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-05-14 05:40:03 EDT, you write: << Sorry, as it seems that I've become the maker of off-topic content, but now after I've installed OS/2 (first 6 disks) Warp 3, using FAT (High Performance File System didn't work), I get: OS/2 !! SYS01475 OS/2 !! SYS02027 >> if i remember correctly, that's the os2 version of: non system disk or disk error. you might have to remove the floppy from a: drive or do a sysinstx command to sys the hard drive. david

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by andy＠topaz.kiev.ua

Qoo, Tim! At 12:38 14.05.98 +0300, you wrote: >after I've installed OS/2 (first 6 disks) Warp 3, using FAT (High >Performance File System didn't work), I get: Wadda hell... >OS/2 !! SYS01475 >OS/2 !! SYS02027 > >So anyway, it freezes like that. This, BTW, is on a 2.1GB HDD, with no >other OS'es currently installed. It may be 2.1G that causes the problem - if it is used as single partition. I heard that Warp3 isn't too well in handling big partitions. Try breaking it into smaller pieces (<1G) hope that helps, -andy

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Hello - I'm a new reader /STUDENTS

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Despite my former comments I'd say computers do have a place in education as do television. I went through most of school as an avid non-writer, managed good grades despite it even in english so long as writing was not required. It was word processing or actually a simple editor and printer that open the door to writing, somehow made it less painful. It didn't help my bizzare grammer or spelling but at least I wrote. The catalyst was writing code and having to document it. Did computers help, yes. It wasn't pacman or clicking icons just using the tool for what it can do best. What was best was simply allowing me to bang down words and then peice them together in some sensible way. As to what computer to use, old! why old, no matter what they have new now it will be old it a few years when they have to apply it. It's better they understand so that the knowledge can be applied rather than keystrokes. Students would do better to learn VI and ED than the latest version of QARK or Word. Allison

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Everything about Apple ///

by kroma＠worldnet.att.net

>Seem to remember I had the same problem when I tried to find out info >about my /// a few years back... back then WAP had no web site, email or >anything that I could find, which made life difficult for those of us >stuck in the UK... hopefully things have progressed a little by now! > >(If you find a web address could you post it here please?) http://www.wap.org/ -- Kirk

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3.5" Drive for Apple ???

by kroma＠worldnet.att.net

>I did pick up another Apple peripheral at the same time, which may offer a >clue. It's a Modem 1200, Model A9M0301. The "clue", assuming it came >from the same source, is the 8-pin mini-DIN connector. I don't know what >uses that kind of connection for the serial port. > The //gs and Macs do, maybe the later //c or //c+ >Did the Apple 3.5" Drive have a mechanical eject? Fully manual, I mean, >not just a push-button that tells the motorized ejection mechanism to wake >up. Very un-Mac-like. The manual eject was only on the drives designed for the // series. -- Kirk

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Everything about Apple ///

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

>> [wap]... >>Thanks! We'll jump right over the the web pa....oh, you didn't post one. >>Ok then we'll just call the phone numbe...oops, you didn't give us that >>either. Ok, well I guess we'll just have to do it the hard way and write >>a letter to...hmmm, no physical address. :*) Seem to remember I had the same problem when I tried to find out info about my /// a few years back... back then WAP had no web site, email or anything that I could find, which made life difficult for those of us stuck in the UK... hopefully things have progressed a little by now! (If you find a web address could you post it here please?) cheers, Jules >

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3.5" Drive for Apple ???

by ds_spenc＠alcor.concordia.ca

Greetings, Last week, along with a boxload of other stuff, I picked up an external 3.5" floppy drive that apears to be intended for Apple machines. It's a DS800 from DataSpace Corporation. It physically plugs into my Apple //c, but I can't get the machine to recognize it. The drive makes a noise when I power up the computer, but that's all. Attempts to access S6, D2 or any other slot and drive combination doesn't get anywhere. It DOES respond to my Mac 512K, though. I plugged it into that machine and shoved a Mac-formatted disk in it, and an icon and open window popped up. I don't think the drive can be intended for the Mac, though, because it's got a MECHANICAL eject mechanism. In fact I was able to eject that Mac disk (write protected, thankfully ;) ) and the Mac didn't notice. Is there something I need to do to get my //c to recognize the drive? Or is it intended for use on a //gs? Or did this company make a line of dangerous Mac peripherals in an attempt to give the platform a bad name for an overabundance of disk corruptions? ;) Doug Spence ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca

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by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Sorry, as it seems that I've become the maker of off-topic content, but now after I've installed OS/2 (first 6 disks) Warp 3, using FAT (High Performance File System didn't work), I get: OS/2 !! SYS01475 OS/2 !! SYS02027 So anyway, it freezes like that. This, BTW, is on a 2.1GB HDD, with no other OS'es currently installed. Ciao, Tim D. Hotze

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Ali Babas cave

by hansp＠columbia.digiweb.com

I just spent Saturday morning in an Ali Babas cave of old computers ranging form a huge 6ft tall by 10 ft wide analogue computer through a few DEC machines (see below, and old ICT 1301, a Telefunken TR4 a burroughs 1800, a few French minicomputers and quite a number of unidentified systems. Included were lots of tape and disk drives, boxes of documentationa nd software. Just a dream come true! The collection belongs to ACONIT : "l'Association pour le Conservation de Informatique et Telematique" I guess that's pretty clear even to non french speakers. It has been accumulated over since 1985 and is currently stored in a warehouse in a town called Voiron near Grenoble. ACONIT has acquired larger and more convenient premisies in Grenoble itself and will be moving the collection there later this year and we plan on setting up workshops etc to restore as many of these systems as possible. Among the DEC machines I saw was a complete PDP-9. How rare are these? Anyways, if anyone is in the Grenoble region later on in the year drop me a line and I can provide a personally conducted guided tour of what we have. I'll keep you all informed of what we are doing as thngs develop. Regards, Hans B Pufal

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by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 09:44 AM 5/13/98 -0400, you wrote: > > Personally, I believe the "computer literacy in schools is everything" > movement is a result of inept teachers and a haywire NEA. Here in the > Washington, D.C. area I have read reports of teachers pushing > 'invented' spelling as a method to avoid hurting the challenged > student's self esteem. Educators seem to think the student will Ummm... I don't doubt someone came up with this, but I doubt that it is widespread; If one teacher does it, the media pick it up and report it as if everyone was doing it, and of course the public loves to think that all teachers are idiots just goofing off until they can retire. I think it's jealousy over this (imaginary) summer vacation. Most teachers are extremely hard working, committed educators who put a lot of their own time and money into their classes. My girlfriend (admittedly, one of the most insane) arrives at school before 7am (everyday) and rarely leaves before 5pm. She spends her evenings and weekends doing schoolwork. She spends her summers planning the next year and building various curriculum. And she works with the other teachers all the time, so she's not alone. The problem is partially a lack of funding for schools and very a lack of adequate parenting. Rachel sent home some work for the kids to do with their parents one time; she got one back where the father had written (on both sides, in big, red letters) that his kid can't do such advanced work (they'd been doing it in class all week) and that "I AM NOT A TEACHER". With a father like that, it's a wonder that the kid knows how to go to the bathroom. There are other kids: one whose parents come to school at lunch time to take him to the bathroom and feed him his lunch (first grade, no kidding), and a kid who is almost completely blind, yet even after the social worker took him to the eye doctor (with her own money) still doesn't have glasses. Kids whose parents beat them, who are being raised by grandparents because their parents don't want them, kids who see people shot in real life, as well as on TV. And there are kids who are taught to hate because of skin color or religion, or whatever. Kids that are taught that the proper response to a disagreement is hit. Kids that are ignored at home, left on their own with a babysitter or nanny, or worse, to wander the neighborhood. Kids that are allowed, even encouraged, if it will shut them up, to watch stuff on telly that even *I* won't watch. Sure, there are bad teachers out there, just as there are bad mechanics, programmers, doctors, etc. But most of them work harder than probably anybody on this list, and probably for a lot less money. But parents don't even take responsibility for checking out the teachers. There are also different styles of teaching; you wouldn't drop your volvo off at a Land Rover mechanic, would you? But most parents don't bother to see (or ask) if a teacher's style is the best for their kids. Most parents pay more attention to whether or not their kids have brushed their teeth than whether or not they've done their homework. Don't put the blame on the teachers without putting it on the parents as well. > in software will correct them. What a cop out. I don't believe > students should be introduced to computers (read: word > processors/calculators) until the first year of high school after > mastering basic reading, comprehension, writing and math skills. Computers are a very valuable tool for teaching those very skills. To deny kids access to them is to slow them down. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Teaching Students Computers... (Semi-OT)

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

>At 07:06 PM 5/13/98 +0300, you wrote: >>to learn anything in perticular, except for stuff pertaining to... anyway, I >>think that here's a good time to give students a choice to know what they're >>going to do. I, for instance, want to specilize in Computers. Spending >>time learning "Pre-Algebra" (Just spent 2 class periods making a protractor >>accurate to 90' from a piece of paper.) isn't helpful, at least not that > >Okay, so maybe you're a wiz in math/science, but you've got two >misspellings in there (pArticular and speciAlize) so perhaps you should be >concentrating on grammar/literature/etc? 8^) I'm not a wiz in math/science at all. That's the point. I'm not learning anything, and neither are the 14 or so people that I really know in the class. In a class where 2/3 isn't learning jack SHOULD tell the teacher something. >>>High school, take the first two to the next levels and add skills needed >>>to find paying work. >> >>I say that some students should be given the oppertunity to do this in Jr. >>High. Not everyone, but some people. After all, by this time, you know if >>you're not going to be a chemist, programmer, or anything. > >Well, in Jr. High I was all set to be a private dick... er, detective. >Early high school, I was ready to head for Harvard Law School. Late high >school, the plan was U-Ill/Urbana-Champaign for under Grad Elect/Elect >Engineering, then MIT for grad school. During college (SF City College) I >was going to join the FBI. After dropping out of college, I wanted to be a >synthesist, or maybe an inventor. Now, I want to be a politician. > >So when is it you know what you want to be when you grow up? Computers. Entrepreneur. I'll start my own company developing software. I'd start out with simple stuff, such as an e-mail client, and grow. Another good thing to do (at least now) is to start a web page/Virtual Community. That's changed a single time since Kindergarten, where I wanted to be an aeronautical engineer, seeing as how I had zip experience with computers. My idea's been the same for 5 years now. Tim D. Hotze

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by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 11:59 PM 5/12/98 +0000, you wrote: >Apple and 8bitters of it's ilks that is found in K-12 has it's places >because these are what excels at teaching kids materials but in high >school level, we need to convert guys over to real things like >windows and 486 boxens, unix and like using word processing and >speadsheets, such yak yak..of most types not including 100% dumb M$ NONONONONONONONO!!! Word Processing and Spreadsheets, even 'net access can be taught just fine on 8-bit machines, or DOS-based PC's. The younger kids are the ones who can profit most from the non-textual interfaces that the newer machines can offer. To over-simplify: Older kids can read; they can learn to type commands. Younger kids can't read; they need pictures (icons). --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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RETROCOMPUTING LIQUIDATION

by Marty＠itgonline.com

Personally, I believe the "computer literacy in schools is everything" movement is a result of inept teachers and a haywire NEA. Here in the Washington, D.C. area I have read reports of teachers pushing 'invented' spelling as a method to avoid hurting the challenged student's self esteem. Educators seem to think the student will eventually learn to spell correctly later in life or that spell-checks in software will correct them. What a cop out. I don't believe students should be introduced to computers (read: word processors/calculators) until the first year of high school after mastering basic reading, comprehension, writing and math skills. Marty ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: RETROCOMPUTING LIQUIDATION Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 5/12/98 9:47 PM When was this thing with "computer literacy in schools is everything" started? I like computers in schools, but I am tired of looking at proposed plans to replace 5 MORE classrooms with computer labs. Is this a classic thing? Would you in general say that computers have affected education (keeping the discussion OnT, of course). > >> snoball wrote: >> > >> > Hi, I am a teacher here at the local elementary school in Humble, TX. To be >> > honest, the computer department here at the school is rather pathetic, two >> > Apple //e's and an XT that was donated that I can't get to work. To be >> > frank, these kids are going into a world where they are illiterate in the >> > basic workings of a computer. I hate to sound desperate, but I have just >> > exausted all leads I know to take on the matter. I saw your ad and thought >> >> Don't panic. Here in New Jersey, the kids are all experts at >> Nintendo (and some of the brighter lights at hacking security), >> but damned few can actually read the manuals. Remember, the >> most important component of "computer literacy" is "literacy". >> If the kids can read, they can learn computers. If they can't, >> there's not much else worth teaching them except to pee on the >> side of the dumpster the cops aren't watching. (I may be a bit >> prejudiced on the side of reading over computers -- I only have >> fifty-odd computers, I've got [half bought new] several thousand >> books, mostly the science fiction I've loved since before the >> "New Math" was introduced to my grade school [after I'd had the >> benefit of learning the stuff that worked].) >> -- >> Ward Griffiths >> They say that politics makes strange bedfellows. >> Of course, the main reason they cuddle up is to screw somebody else. >> Michael Flynn, _Rogue Star_ > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998May12.214741.1767.41390; Tue, 12 May 1998 21:47:41 -0400 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id SAA20582; Tue, 12 May 1998 18:45:24 -0700 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id SAA10688 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Tue, 12 May 1998 18:43:42 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f185.hotmail.com [207.82.251.74]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id SAA03234 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Tue, 12 May 1998 18:43:41 -0700 Received: (qmail 23636 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 1998 01:43:38 -0000 Received: from 207.78.94.40 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 12 May 1998 18:43:38 PDT Message-Id: <19980513014338.23635.qmail(a)hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 18:43:38 PDT Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Max Eskin" <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: RETROCOMPUTING LIQUIDATION Content-Type: text/plain X-Originating-IP: [207.78.94.40] X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

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Hello - I'm a new reader /STUDENTS

by whayes＠snark.wizard.com

> Are there any students besides Derek on the list? > > I am a fourth year electrical engineering major here at > Oklahoma State. > > --Scott I'm a terminal student of the college of Hard Knocks.... Graduating when they pry my cold dead fingers from the keyboard. -- Bill #include <std.disclaimer.h> +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | whayes(a)wizard.com | Powered by FreeBSD | finger for pgp public key. | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ Key fingerprint = 54 AC A0 8E F0 B6 94 6B 93 6B 34 D7 EB 13 78 BC

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Teaching Students Computers... (Semi-OT)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Apple and 8bitters of it's ilks that is found in K-12 has it's places <because these are what excels at teaching kids materials but in high <school level, we need to convert guys over to real things like <windows and 486 boxens, unix and like using word processing and <speadsheets, such yak yak..of most types not including 100% dumb M$ <stuff. Let me compress that: Elementary school, how to learn. (language, reading, arithmetic) Intermeadiate school, how to find answers to questions and communicate them. High school, take the first two to the next levels and add skills needed to find paying work. Computers are a part of life and M$ stuff is unfortunatly reality we live with every day. The unfortunate part is I meet kids at the grocer that play doom, surf the net and can't count change. Allison

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Another EBay absurdity

by lgroebe＠insidermarketing.com

>At 03:28 AM 5/13/98 -0500, Doug Yowza wrote (more or less): > >Perhaps Someone should make a web site with reports of classic >system sale prices, in order to balance the tales of $500 PETs >with $5 PETs. Like anything else, so many other factors must >be considered: rarity, condition, history, etc. > >- John Actually, David Greelish (of "historically brewed" and the "classic computing society") is attempting just such an online price guide. His efforts so far can be seen on: http://members.aol.com/mtpro/

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Another EBay absurdity

by desieh＠southcom.com.au

email: desieh(a)southcom.com.au desieh(a)bigfoot.com museum_curator(a)hotmail.com Apple Lisa Web Page: http://www.southcom.com.au/~desieh/index.htm >On Tue, 12 May 1998, The Adept wrote: > >> I almost choked on my Leinenkugel's when I saw the current bid on the >> following: >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=13839197 >> >> I'll save the surprise for you who want to check it out (it's a >> Commodore Educator 64) > >Holy Crap! I should just sell my damn collection at the prices some of >these goons are paying. I could pay off all my bills AND put in that pool >I've always wanted, plus put a down payment on the Viper. > >Sam Alternate e-mail: >dastar(a)siconic.com >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >----- >Ever onward. > > September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! > [Last web page update: 05/11/98] > yeah well a fool is born every 1 second dont they say? or was it a fool and thier money soon part......... man I could get that Cadilliac Ive always wanted if i sold my collection......

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ASR33

by wanderer＠bos.nl

Hi All, I recently acquired an ASR33 and I'm in need of some assitance in order to be able to let it work against my Unix box. At the back of the powersupply there is a terminal strip with a number of lugs. Question is, which lugs to use, the unit is an UCC-6 (for private wire setups). Other problem is which voltage to use for the current loop to rs232, I have a converter, and uses 5 volt maximum, and do not know if that will work. If not, does someone then have a proper schematic? Thanks, Ed

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Hello - I'm a new reader / STUDENTS

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

>Well aside from the fact that we're _all_ students whether or not >we're matriculated somewhere -- Tim Hotze is around here someplace >and I'm pretty sure he's not officially in college yet. Far from it, unfortunaetly. BTW, just for other students, or ex-students on the list: Yesterday I had my science fair project: Linux Vs. Windows. Now, I had two or three problems: 1) Couldn't seem to "dumb it down" enough to get the judges to understand. 2) Presentation wasn't really "flashy", more like a scientific paper. 3) The paper was too "dumbed down" to actually say what I wanted it to say. I couldn't do what I wanted to so that it would make sense to the judges. >-- >Ward Griffiths >They say that politics makes strange bedfellows. >Of course, the main reason they cuddle up is to screw somebody else. > Michael Flynn, _Rogue Star_ Tim D. Hotze

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Hello - I'm a new reader / STUDENTS

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

I am. In 7th grade. Still think that jr. high school's a COMPLETE waste of time, especially for geeks (or people like me, who like to consider themselves geeks, but probably couldn't make it...), at our school. No UNIX, no programming, not even a 32 bit OS!!! (And that's even counting Windows!!!!) All I really can do is do what I want in Computers... (but with the software that they've got available, the most I can do is type a word doc. instead of write an e-mail... TONS of freedom there...) Ciao, Tim D. Hotze -----Original Message----- From: Daniel A. Seagraves <DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, May 12, 1998 7:14 PM Subject: Re: Hello - I'm a new reader / STUDENTS >[Any students?] > >I'm a high school student... >-------

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Teaching Students Computers... (Semi-OT)

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 07:06 PM 5/13/98 +0300, you wrote: >to learn anything in perticular, except for stuff pertaining to... anyway, I >think that here's a good time to give students a choice to know what they're >going to do. I, for instance, want to specilize in Computers. Spending >time learning "Pre-Algebra" (Just spent 2 class periods making a protractor >accurate to 90' from a piece of paper.) isn't helpful, at least not that Okay, so maybe you're a wiz in math/science, but you've got two misspellings in there (pArticular and speciAlize) so perhaps you should be concentrating on grammar/literature/etc? 8^) >>High school, take the first two to the next levels and add skills needed >>to find paying work. > >I say that some students should be given the oppertunity to do this in Jr. >High. Not everyone, but some people. After all, by this time, you know if >you're not going to be a chemist, programmer, or anything. Well, in Jr. High I was all set to be a private dick... er, detective. Early high school, I was ready to head for Harvard Law School. Late high school, the plan was U-Ill/Urbana-Champaign for under Grad Elect/Elect Engineering, then MIT for grad school. During college (SF City College) I was going to join the FBI. After dropping out of college, I wanted to be a synthesist, or maybe an inventor. Now, I want to be a politician. So when is it you know what you want to be when you grow up? --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Interesting c64 usage

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 07:41 AM 5/13/98 -0500, you wrote: >Did you ask if he added one too many zeros? Obviously the guy is heavy into >hallucenogenic drugs...The Commie itself is worth *maybe* $40 and the mixer is >worth maybe another $200 if your lucky. I have seen and done some things with >those obscure little breadboxes though that most people would never think >possible. Ummm... I don't dispute the commie value (perhaps a tad high?) but a 24-track (or was it 32?) 8-bus mixer with automation for $200? Tell me where -- I'll buy it. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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EduComp Rant (OT, Was: RETROCOMPUTING LIQUIDATION)

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 06:43 PM 5/12/98 PDT, you wrote: >When was this thing with "computer literacy in schools is everything" >started? I like computers in schools, but I am tired of looking at >proposed plans to replace 5 MORE classrooms with computer labs. Is >this a classic thing? Would you in general say that computers have >affected education (keeping the discussion OnT, of course). Well, I'm shooting from the hip here, but I do have some experience in this area. The idea of "computer labs" comes from IMO two things: 1) The idea of teaching "computers" as a separate subject and 2) the inability for schools to afford computers for every classroom. Looking at these in turn, "computers" as a subject in itself *may* have been a valid concept *at one time* (i.e., with some of the machines we deal with) but now is no longer an issue. Kids today have very little problem with the concepts involved in running a program (it's the same as sticking in a nintendo cartridge) or using a mouse (aka joystick) etc. Certainly, programming is a separate issue, but not everyone needs to learn C or Java or even Basic, just as not everyone needs to learn how to rebuild a transmission or tune a piano. As for schools not being able to afford computers, well heck, they can't even afford pencils and paper. I kid you not. Every fall, I get woken up at 7am to be first in line at Target when the Crayons/folders/pencil boxes/pencils/scissors/etc. go on sale (every week, it seems -- <groan>) so that my girlfriend can buy the supplies she wants for her classroom on sale *with her own money*. So, yes, most schools can't afford computers, in general, let alone enough for each classroom. So, what to do? Should they even bother? I think, based on Rachel's experiences, that the answer is a resounding *YES*, teachers should scrounge and steal and swindle as many computers as they can for their schools/classrooms. But not to teach "computers". They should be a tool, just like any other, to teach reading, math, science, comprehension, etc. And so I'll go against the grain and say it's more important in the lower grades (K-3 or so) to have computers available than in the upper grades. Upper grades, junior and high school especially, can do just as well with older machines as they can with the newer ones. PC-Write under DOS is an excellent solution for writing term papers or book reports, and will teach the concepts of word processing just as well as the latest version of MSWord. Qbasic, Cobol, and C/C++ for DOS are all just as good as their GUI counterparts for learning how to write a program; Once you understand the idea, switching to another language is a piece of cake. I write all my web pages in PC-Write (and I'm damn proud of some of them) and often use Arachne (DOS browser) to check them. Non-readers, however, can make better use of newer technology. Programs like the Playroom, Millie's Math House, and such really get the kids interested and having a good time; they don't realize (or care) that they're actually learning to read or count or what-have-you. This is the real value of computers in education. Mind you, older computers can be used here too, (the original version of the Playroom ran fine on a Mac Plus), but if you've got an old XT and a 486, give the upper grades the XT and the wee ones the 486. As to the craze for pushing computer literacy at the expense of general literacy, I think that older folks (30+) look at technology and how it was new to them, and how it is becoming so pervasive in our society, and they're scared. Scared that their kids will be as unprepared as they were. (What they don't understand, of course, is that that very pervasiveness will make kids take the technology in stride: My niece could work the VCR (play, ffwd, rwd, eject) at 1.5years; she's a wiz on the computer) Add to that the media and the politicians who love to play on the public's fears and work them into a frenzy to serve their own purposes and the corporate world who just want to sell more *stuff*... Computers have affected education, both for good and bad (like most anything.) They allow teachers to come up with fun worksheets that teach, quickly and easily; they can help kids that couldn't learn to read finally do it; they allow kids to work independantly at their own speed, allowing the teacher to work with the kids that need the most help. But, they also cause distractions, can be abused as babysitters by lesser teachers, and can displace funding and space for other, more needed supplies and equipment. Overall, the benefits of computers in the schools (as elsewhere, IMO) *FAR* outweigh the problems. Now the problem with older computers in the classrooms is not that they're not useful, it's that they're not adequately supported for the majority of non-computer-literate teachers. (Teachers know how to teach; they don't know how to do a low-level format on a CP/M hard drive.) So, all you folks on this list, who know what you're doing, call up your local schools and see if they have any [older] computers that they need help putting to use. > honest, the computer department here at the school is rather > pathetic, two Apple //e's and an XT that was donated that I > can't get to work. Apple //e's are fine for teaching BASIC programming and Word processing, and I know there are educational programs available for the younger kids, too. (Right Sam?) That XT should be repairable, and would make a great text-editing station or could be put to use in math classes running Lotus 1-2-3 or Excel. But, we've got a teacher who can't put them to use, but they don't have the skills/knowledge to do so. So, are there any collectors in/around Humble TX that can help out? P.S., I have my girlfriend working on a list of all the EduSoftware she has and what it's good at (and how good it is) to be put on a web page, so that someone who gets a computer for their classroom can see what software works and will run. (All her computers are Mac IIci or less (68030 or lower) (though we've got one IIci with an '040 board in it to go in, as soon as I get a chance to clean up the hard drive and such.)) >>> prejudiced on the side of reading over computers -- I only have >>> fifty-odd computers, I've got [half bought new] several thousand >>> books, mostly the science fiction I've loved since before the Well, I've only got about a 1000 books, and about 100 computers, but there's a lot more in the house (my folks had a whole wall of bookshelves put in when they bought the house). I too would say that if you can't read/write (communicate)/count, a computer's not going to do you much good in the long run -- it can't do that for you. (In fact, it will get you to do more of the above.) Anyway, sorry for the ultra-long rant... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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RSX-11 Disk Images anyone?

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi all, > The relevant documentation is "MSCP Basic Disk Functions Manual", > AA-L619A-TK, and "Storage System Diagnostics And Utility Protocol", > AA-L620A-TK, which in turn are parts of the UDA50 Programmer's > Documentation Kit (QP-905-GZ). My copy is version 1.2, April 1982. anyone has this documents here, and don't need it anymore ? thanks, emanuel

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PLease ID CD-ROM unit

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

OK, the other chips are: Hitachi HD74LS32P 367AP 240P 164P MB74LS00 138 TI J549X SN74LS541N The card has a weird logo: A large S, progressively narrowing toward the top. Could someone tell me about the actual drive? >They're probably TTL buffers/address decoding logic. Can you post the >numbers (which probably start 74LS) and we'll try to identify them and >guess likely functions. > >My guess is that this is some kind of custom parallel interface. Put the >8255 into Mode 2 and you've got a bidirectional data path on port A and >control lines on the other 2 ports. That's the most likely setup >(although it might be something totally different, like using one port >for input and another for output). > >-tony > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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PS/2 30 architecture

by pjoules＠enterprise.net

I hope that this is marginally on topic - the technology is over 10 years old and it is about using an old machine even if the OS is brand new. I have a PS/2 Model 30 and am taking part in testing the ELKS port of Linux to the XT architecture. On the PS/2 ELKS cannot see any keystrokes, having booted OK. Does anyone (Tony?) have a techref for this machine and if so what is the difference between this and a 'normal' XT. I am thinking that perhaps the keyboard buffer may be at a different place in memory thus DOS, using the BIOS, can see it but we can't by looking directly at the hardware. TIA Pete

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FW: DECStation 2100 help needed

by kyrrin＠jps.net

Found this on Usenet. Can anyone help out? If so, please respond directly to the author of the message. Thanks. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- On Wed, 13 May 98 15:22:55 CST, in comp.unix.ultrix you wrote: >>From: Mike.Hoff(a)CRHA-Health.Ab.Ca (Mike Hoff) >>Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix >>Subject: Old DECstation >>Date: Wed, 13 May 98 15:22:55 CST >>Organization: Unorganized. >>Lines: 10 >>Distribution: world >>Message-ID: <This.644(a)Somewhere.COM> >>NNTP-Posting-Host: veena.cc.uregina.ca >>Path: blushng.jps.net!news.eli.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!ais.net!newsfeed.wli.net!news.he.net!news.pagesat.net!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!news.uregina.ca!(a)somewhere.com >> >> >>Sorry to bother you, but I'm not sure who to talk to (and Digital wasn't >>much help). I have an old Decstation 2100 dug out of the basement - is >>this worth anything? Any idea where this equipment could be taken for >>repairs and OS help? Any information you can give me would be >>appreciated. >> >>Please reply to Mike.Hoff(a)CRHA-Health.Ab.Ca directly as I do not have >>Usenet access from my office. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, SysOp, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fido 1:343/272) kyrrin {at} j<p>s d[o]t n=e=t "...No matter how hard we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object, event, or living creature, in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them!..."

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OS/2 Warp 3 Help... (Yes, off topic...)

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

OK... remember that Arthur J. Carp fellow... well, I got a copy of Warp 3... 3.5" disks. (It's been a while...) Anyway, this is semi-on topic, as OS/2's a pretty good story, and older versions are classic. So here's the deal. I can get all the way to Disk 6, then I re-insert the Install diskette. Then, it asks me to reboot. I reboot, and it's not there. I also have Windows 95 on this system. So how do I: Get past that 2) Get to see the drive's contents (it's not the same C as FAT 32 sees it...) Thanks, Tim D. Hotze

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Everything about Apple ///

by wp4wssam＠coqui.net

If you need anything or need any information about Apple /// (SARA) the best place is Washington Apple Pi. They are a group dedicated to all apple and mac hardware and software. Mr. Dave Ottalini is the historian and librarian for the apple ///. To get help from him or any other person ap WAP, you need to join the club.

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terminal keyboards needed

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

I just shipped the VT 100 and VT 220 that I had without keyboards. I gave them away for the shipping and a few people in the list had told me that they have extra keyboards for sale/trade/free (I don't remember) but the newe owner in New Hamster is looking for a keyboard for each one and if those people that have them could write me back (direct email) I can relay the message to him. Thanks guys and gals. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ UIN #1714857 AOL Instant Messenger "RHBLAKEMAN" * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Visual Computer Inc. Commuter US

by Marty＠itgonline.com

I have such a beast, it is a Model 1083 (I believe). Unfortunately I don't have any other information on it. It's rather heavy for such a slim luggable. Perhaps it is better described as a lugtop? Laptop on steroids? Marty ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Visual Computer Inc. Commuter US Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 5/13/98 5:33 PM Anyone heard of such a beast. It's a rather large "laptop" with a scrunched lc d display. Has two half height 5 1/4 floppies. From the keyboard it looks like a pc clone, but it also has a db25 terminal out port on the back. TIA George ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998May13.173305.1767.41575; Wed, 13 May 1998 17:33:05 -0400 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id OAA09395; Wed, 13 May 1998 14:30:45 -0700 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id OAA57722 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Wed, 13 May 1998 14:24:01 -0700 Received: from smtp.kurico.com (smtp.kurico.com [38.247.97.200]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id OAA00449 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Wed, 13 May 1998 14:23:59 -0700 Received: from icurrie (unverified [209.36.177.59]) by smtp.kurico.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id <B0000139126(a)smtp.kurico.com>; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:59:56 -0500 Message-Id: <B0000139126(a)smtp.kurico.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:22:11 -0500 Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "George Currie" <g(a)kurico.com> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Visual Computer Inc. Commuter US MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

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HP85A Stuff

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Greg Troutman <mor(a)crl.com> wrote: > I spent a little more time on this guy and have finally gotten the tape > drive to work--sorta. The rubbery roller in the center to the left of > the head is seriously corroded away (as if some anti-rubber solvent or > high heat came in contact with it) which makes it not work too well. The rubbery bits used on these drives seem to be going gooey, at least out here in the San Francisco Bay Area. It's also happening to the similar drives used in HP264x terminals. (Gotta get around to fixing that one on my desk....) > Now, questions: I have a ROM Drawer filled with six option ROMS like > Assembler, Input/Output, Mass Storage, etc. First, how do I implement > the physical link to the I/O devices? You need an I/O card of the appropriate type to plug into another one of those slots on back. HP-IB is fairly common and is what you would use to hook up disk drives. -Frank McConnell

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question - how to test DMA on peecees right way?

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

If the floppy works, the DMA controller works. If you really want to exercise it, install a Sound Blaster. Kai -----Original Message----- From: jpero(a)mail.cgo.wave.ca [mailto:jpero@mail.cgo.wave.ca] Sent: Monday, May 11, 1998 12:07 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: question - how to test DMA on peecees right way? Assuming I have basic stuff, working parts except for motherboard under test. How can I assure that chipset that contains DMA controllers is working as intended? software I have is very limited and only tests very basic functions like checkit, sysinfo etc. Remember I only have limited RAM (1mb) to play with. Thanks Jason D. email: jpero(a)cgo.wave.ca Pero, Jason D.

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by g＠kurico.com

Anyone heard of such a beast. It's a rather large "laptop" with a scrunched lcd display. Has two half height 5 1/4 floppies. From the keyboard it looks like a pc clone, but it also has a db25 terminal out port on the back. TIA George

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