Doug Yowza <yowza(a)yowza.com>
>Oops, I forgot to mention that neither the T1000 nor the T1100 were
>Toshiba's first laptop. I don't have one, but I think their first was the
>T100, a CP/M laptop from 1982 (not to be confused with the pen-based >T100X
or the pentium T100CS).
Shouldn't a laptop have a screen? I have two T100s and neither has
a built-in display.
http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum/mtoshiba.htm
And thanks for the infomation on the T1000.
=========================================
Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com
Senior Software Engineer
Press Start Inc.
Sunnyvale,CA
Curator
Museum of Personal Computing Machinery
http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum
=========================================
I just heard that Daniel Meyer, the founder of SwTPC, passed away
this past Saturday, May 16th, 1998. Although we never met, he
had a positive impact on my life, and on the lives of many others.
A moment of silence is in order.
Bill.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:43:27 -0500 (CDT)
From: The Adept <adept(a)Mercury.mcs.net>
To: bill.sheehan(a)stoneweb.com
Subject: Re: Another EBay absurdity
I've actually talked to the #3 bidder and the item is back up for auction and
is currently priced at around 203.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=14365349
Cheers,
Dan
On Wed, 20 May 1998 bill.sheehan(a)stoneweb.com wrote:
> Now take a look at the feedback. You'll find that the two high bidders are bogus. The winning bid was actually the #3 bidder, who would be within
> his rights to decline the honor. The only way we'll know how much this *really* sold for is to check back in a couple of weeks and see who (if
> anyone) gets positive feedback from the seller.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "kroma" <kroma(a)worldnet.att.net> on 05/20/98 08:45:27 AM
>
> Please respond to classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
>
> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> cc: (bcc: Bill Sheehan/Corporate/SWEC)
> Subject: Re: Another EBay absurdity
>
>
>
>
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=13839197
> >
> >I'll save the surprise for you who want to check it out (it's a
> >Commodore Educator 64)
> >
>
>
> This auction ended. This was the bidding history.
>
>
> Last bid at: $510.00
>
> Last bid at: $500.00
>
> Last bid at: $86.62
>
> Last bid at: $35.00
>
> Last bid at: $25.00
>
> At least two people had a clue. One person just really wanted it, and two
> must have thought it was made of gold.
>
> -- Kirk
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
At 00:34 5/20/98 -0500, you wrote:
>The static RAM cards in one of my S-100 boxes is made by IMS (Industrial
>Micro Systems) from 1977. Is this any relation to IMS Associates who
>produced the IMSAI, or are they totally unrelated?
Those are unrelated, to each other and to (IIRC) the IMS in Nevada who made
whole computers at about the same time.
__________________________________________
Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org
http://www.chac.org/index.html
Computer History Association of California
I received a message from a person named Robert Bocock today with a PDF
attachement of the card I was asking about, and it was exactly what I
needed. Thanks to anyone that may have been digging for info for me. It
appears the card is made by DFI USA.
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Now take a look at the feedback. You'll find that the two high bidders are bogus. The winning bid was actually the #3 bidder, who would be within
his rights to decline the honor. The only way we'll know how much this *really* sold for is to check back in a couple of weeks and see who (if
anyone) gets positive feedback from the seller.
"kroma" <kroma(a)worldnet.att.net> on 05/20/98 08:45:27 AM
Please respond to classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
cc: (bcc: Bill Sheehan/Corporate/SWEC)
Subject: Re: Another EBay absurdity
>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=13839197
>
>I'll save the surprise for you who want to check it out (it's a
>Commodore Educator 64)
>
This auction ended. This was the bidding history.
Last bid at: $510.00
Last bid at: $500.00
Last bid at: $86.62
Last bid at: $35.00
Last bid at: $25.00
At least two people had a clue. One person just really wanted it, and two
must have thought it was made of gold.
-- Kirk
>X-POP3-Rcpt: jfoust@threedee
>Return-Path: prouse(a)netcom.industry.net
>Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 00:51:39 -0700
>From: "Paula S. Rouse" <prouse(a)netcom.industry.net>
>Reply-To: prouse(a)netcom.industry.net
>Organization: Harwil Corporation
>To: jfoust(a)threedee.com
>Subject: Don Tarbell
>
>Dear John,
>
>My name is Paula Rouse. I worked for the "Famous" Don Tarbell at Tarbell
>Electronics in Carson, CA from 1976 to 1983. I was his first employee
>when he began selling cassette interface kits and assembled units. He
>was a terrific boss and his wife Brenda and I have been best friends for
>all these years. She called me this evening to say that Don passed away
>this morning, May 19th, 1998, after a long bout with cancer. I was on
>the internet tonight, looking for information on old friends who used to
>come into the shop, hoping to contact them to let them know of his
>passing. When I typed Don's name into Yahoo's search engine, your page
>came up. It is not dated, so I do not know when you tried to contact him
>by e-mail, but Brenda said that he had not been checking his e-mail but
>once every two or three weeks since he had been so sick. That may be the
>reason for your not receiving a reply. He was a great guy and he will be
>sorely missed. It was so much fun being a part of the early years of
>computing. He was instrumental in shaping my career and there are many
>good memories of the times spent together.
>
>Thanks! Paula Rouse, prouse(a)netcom.industry.net
- John
Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=13839197
>
>I'll save the surprise for you who want to check it out (it's a
>Commodore Educator 64)
>
This auction ended. This was the bidding history.
Last bid at: $510.00
Last bid at: $500.00
Last bid at: $86.62
Last bid at: $35.00
Last bid at: $25.00
At least two people had a clue. One person just really wanted it, and two
must have thought it was made of gold.
-- Kirk
<The static RAM cards in one of my S-100 boxes is made by IMS (Industrial
<Micro Systems) from 1977. Is this any relation to IMS Associates who
<produced the IMSAI, or are they totally unrelated?
No. IMSAI was a different company. The IMS rams, I had two of the 8kx8
were good stuff.
Allison
Found on Usenet: Anyone interested? If so, please contact the original
author directly.
Thanks.
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Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11
Subject: anybody want some history?
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I know of a DecSystem 2065 in the Cambridge, MA. area that's looking
for a sympathetic home in the very near future, lest it meet an
unhappy fate. Any takers?
steve
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Saturday, 16 May 1998 11:10
Subject: Re: North Star Horizon
>> Agreed with the previous gentlemen. My latest blind rescue was that 68020
>> Cadnetix system, where the company went under 10 years ago and every
>> technical document on it seems to have ended up in a Colorado landfill. I
>> finally tracked down one of the original engineers (from on-line resumes,
>> of all things) to get some info on it. Granted, it's still dead (and from
>> what I've learned, probably will stay that way forever) but I'll be
damned
>
>Don't say that ! Somehow it can be got to work again. It'll take time,
>but it would certainly be interesting.
>
>> if I didn't learn quite a lot from it. As for wanting a specific machine,
>> I have spent my entire life lusting after machines that I have never even
>> seen in person, let alone had detailed hardware experience with! What is
>
>Yes, but presumably you had reasons for wanting these machines, other
>than 'I want an Altair, they're cool'
>
>> it that really makes us want these machines, anyway? Not to say that
these
>> machines are useless, but nobody collects classic computers because of
>> their amazing processor speed or mammoth memories. It's a much more
>
>Well, I particularly like machines with features that are not found on
>more modern stuff - toggle-switch panels, demountable hard disks, vector
>graphic displays, writeable microcode, etc.
>
>> rounded aesthetic, having to do with colours, shapes, sounds, etc. I
could
>
>I've said it before - I really couldn't care what a machine looks like. The
>circuit diagrams are the interesting thing for me.
>
>> easily *see* a computer that *looks* interesting and ask for one by name,
>> without even knowing where the power switch is. That's the whole fun of
>> it.
>
>True... Especially at radio rallies where you see something odd and pay a
>few pounds/dollars to take it home. No idea what it actually is - it's
>just interesting...
>
>>
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>>
>
>-tony
email: desieh(a)southcom.com.au
desieh(a)bigfoot.com
museum_curator(a)hotmail.com
Apple Lisa Web Page:
http://www.southcom.com.au/~desieh/index.htm
I have own a NorthStar Horizon very nice little computer abit heavy, mines
in the wooden box and has a pair of 5 1/4" floppy drives in the front and
yes it runs off an terminal.....
mine even has full docs and the origianl receipt of purchates from around
1976.....
many of the cards inside it arom from an Altair if my memory is correct...
A VDM -1? i think thats whats its called...anyway in the manual for this
video card it has the source code for the programmng code for a Altair and
IMSAl mechines....
only around 30,000 of these fine mechines where ever built so i would say
that they are very rare these days....
>
>>> >> I have a Rainbow 200, but I'm missing the keyboard and mouse, and it
>>> >>doesn't
>>> >> seem to take a serial console.
>>>
>>> hmm, don't know about the 200, I've got a 100B machine and the keyboards
>>
>> I've never heard of a Rainbow 200 either. I've got a couple of 100's here.
there used to be a good 'bow ftp site - do you remember what it was?
something along the lines of "ftp.ee.ualberta.com" or somthing; tried
every variation I could think of but didn't come up with anything... :)
seem to remember they had quite a bit of info on memory expansion
boards, connecting nonstandard floppies and other such stuff...
(one for regular posting to the list maybe? a list of good ftp sites /
web sites for various machines... or de we have a regular FAQ anyway?)
cheers
Jules
>
>
>>>....I think winders didn't run on
>>>the 80186(8) used in one of the tandys and a few oddballs. mostly because
>>>the 186 has some on board peripherals (DMA and interrupts) that were not
>>>PCclone compatable.
>>On the contrary: There was a special version of Windows for the Tandy 2000
>>(80186) and Bill Gates referred to it as "the first computer built
>>specifically to run Windows."
I think it'd run via the 80186 daughterboards in a BBC Master system
too... I'm sure I tried this years ago... (ok, "years" is kinda
relative! :)
Jules
>
>
>
<> >....I think winders didn't run on
<> >the 80186(8) used in one of the tandys and a few oddballs. mostly beca
<> >the 186 has some on board peripherals (DMA and interrupts) that were n
<> >PCclone compatable.
It was sufficiently wierd enough that DOS barely ran and most apps didn't
like the climate. Even if windows ran, it was a 186... while faster than
a 8086 it wasn't faster than a 286. The 186 while a neat idea really did
well in the embedded control space where PC compatable hadn't poisoned
everthing.
Allison
-----Original Message-----
From: Ward Donald Griffiths III <gram(a)cnct.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Tuesday, 19 May 1998 12:14
Subject: Re: [Rare systems]
>Desie Hay wrote:
>
>> I dont think anybody ported unix to the Lisa...well it wasnt a commerical
>> thing....
>> im not sure on this but if someone knows for sure ill like to hear from
them
>>
>> check out my Lisa web page......
>
>Well, there was a Lisa running Unix at OCC '84 (the last) in Anaheim.
>At least one. At the Apple booth. Since I'd been playing with Xenix
>(at the Radio Shack Computer Center where I did tech support) for well
>over a year by then, I was actually not too impressed -- it was far
>from ready for prime time. But it was definitely Unix. It just wasn't
>commercial. Especially since Tandy Xenix systems cost a fraction and
>actually had support (around Los Angeles, that was mostly me -- with
>some good documentation and a good line to Fort Worth).
>--
>Ward Griffiths
>They say that politics makes strange bedfellows.
>Of course, the main reason they cuddle up is to screw somebody else.
> Michael Flynn, _Rogue Star_
>
yes ive seen pictures of Garry Kildor with a Lisa at his side...
They had a version under development but i almost sure they never released
it.....
<> The two devices are addressed at 02h and 04h, the console is nominally
<> 02, by NS* software convention.
<>
<> It is possible to configure the software for any port however.
<
<It is, but _you need a console_ to do the configuring. It's like
<getting a second-hand Unix box -- you need the root password to
<do anything..
The assumption is that the former owner of the boot disks has/had a
standard configuration. Of the systems my NS* controller has been
in the console could be:
VDM-1 and serial keyboard.
MITS SIO
NS* standard configuration (port base at 0)
CCS, 4sio
Computime CPU (on board usart)
Computime 4sio
All different addesses or requiring different initializtion or use a
totally different device. In my case the system was origially altair
with MDS controller so when the NS* crate was done I had to reconfigure
the disks for NS*. At the time you either got NS* personalized or
unpersonalized requiring the user to set it up it assumed you had front
pannel or rom monitor.
Allison
< I now have some time to work on my N* system. Does anyone have info o
<the Vector Graphics ZCB processor board. 64k RAM board, and the PROM boar
<that they can copy/e-mail me?
No data on any of these.
< Also, which motherboard serial port is used for the console, left or
<right? This may sound silly, but how does the processor board know which
<the console port?
The right from the rear, left from the front.
The two devices are addressed at 02h and 04h, the console is nominally
02, by NS* software convention.
It is possible to configure the software for any port however.
Allison
I recently lost a piece of my computer collection. I had a BRAND NEW never worn Seiko wrist terminal from the ealry 80's that downloaded phonelists, etc via the game port in an Apple II. I entrusted it to a jwewler for repair and he has lost it. I still have the origional box, software, etc. Anybody have an idea of the value of this piece?
please Email me at: Glenn(a)justbirds.com
Thanks!
This is kind of off topic, but Microsoft didn't "cut off" PowerPC... IBM
did. Windows NT was discontinued for the PPC after IBM announced they were
dropping their PPC machines. By that time, nobody besides IBM was, or is,
making PREP (PowerPC Reference Platform) compatible boxes. PPC NT was
discontinued simply because there were no machines to run it.
Apple chose to make their PowerMacs proprietary instead of PREP compliant
(and that's a Motorola/industry standard that has nothing to do with
Microsoft, BTW).
Kai
-----Original Message-----
From: Hotze [mailto:photze@batelco.com.bh]
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 1998 9:12 AM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Re: Windows 1.x platforms...
>I like to bash Microsoft as much as the next guy, but their CPU support on
>Windows CE is pretty good: x86, MIPS, Hitachi, PPC, and ARM, at least.
x86??? That would make a REALLY COOL sub-$500 PC. PPC??? So MS didn't
COMPLETELY cut it off.... I guess that if Intel (or anyone else) wanted,
they could make a 386/486 (AMD's ElanSC400 comes to mind) processor
based-WindowsCE system, requireing less effort to port to CE.
Tim D. Hotze
I only managed to go there for 50min. and only found out about a
west end when I left. It was cheaper than last time though. I bought
nothing. THe things I saw that were of interest, however:
A Xerox machine that looked like a PC clone, but the monitor plugged
into the system unit with a wide ribbon-like cable, very crude-
looking. What was this?
Some sick variations on the concept of a laptop, mostly from compaq.
I don't know why the docks outnumbered the laptops by such an extent.
A strange IBM box. Looked like a modem, but about two times bigger
than the reqular modems. Had a much more complex display, but had some
similarities. Had a model # in the 7thousands. Had several serial-
like connectors. Ideas?
Also, what do you people think of IIgs?
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anybody have IBM PC DOS 1.00? or know of where I may d/l it from the net
somewhere??
<>I like to bash Microsoft as much as the next guy, but their CPU support
<>Windows CE is pretty good: x86, MIPS, Hitachi, PPC, and ARM, at least.
<
<
<x86??? That would make a REALLY COOL sub-$500 PC. PPC??? So MS didn't
<COMPLETELY cut it off.... I guess that if Intel (or anyone else) wanted,
<they could make a 386/486 (AMD's ElanSC400 comes to mind) processor
<based-WindowsCE system, requireing less effort to port to CE.
SC400 is PC compatable at the 486 level, all you'd need is a bios. Then
youd have to lay out a 4 layer or better yet a six layer PWB, integrate
ram, and add all the other goodies that are not on the CPU. Working with
the SC400 is NOT a trivial hobbiest CPU, most would be stopped by the
package alone.
Also MS never stopped supporting x86, everything they sell runs on 386 or
higher (though it may be slow as mud). W3.1 still runs on 286s.
Allison
I have a copy of it for a VAX mate
>
>OK... I know that Windows 1.x/2.x was horibbly unsuccessful... but I
>remember reading about some platforms that Windows was ported to that
seemed
>pretty strange... (IE non-x86).
> Anyone???
>
>Tim D. Hotze
>
>
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Hello, all:
I now have some time to work on my N* system. Does anyone have info on
the Vector Graphics ZCB processor board. 64k RAM board, and the PROM board
that they can copy/e-mail me?
Also, which motherboard serial port is used for the console, left or
right? This may sound silly, but how does the processor board know which is
the console port?
Again, thanks.
Rich Cini/WUGNET
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Collector of classic computers
<<<========== Reply Separator ==========>>>
On Tue, 19 May 1998 14:42:09 +1000, "Desie Hay" <desieh(a)southcom.com.au>
wrote:
>>anybody have IBM PC DOS 1.00? or know of where I may d/l it from the net
>>somewhere??
A quick look downstairs shows that I have a complete copy of DOS 1.1.
According to "Upgrading and Repairing PCs 4th Ed.", PC-DOS was versioned as
follows:
<------------------------- File
Sizes ------------------------------>
Ver. File Dates Command.ComIBMBIO.COMIBMDOS.COM
=== ======== ============ =========== ===========
1.0 8/4/81 3231 bytes 1920 bytes
6400 bytes
1.1 5/7/82 4959 bytes 1920 bytes
6400 bytes
According to other charts, there were no differences in the available
internal and external commands, so I don't readily understand the difference
in the command interpreter file sizes (patches??)
I'm sure that I can find some way to get you the 1.1 diskette.
------------------------------
Rich Cini/WUGNET
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<<<========== Reply Separator ==========>>>
In a message dated 98-05-14 08:25:05 EDT, you write:
<< The //gs and Macs do, maybe the later //c or //c+ >>
the //c does not have the mini din connector so i guess its probably on the gs
and c+ models do. i have an aftermarket 800k mac drive that either has motor
eject and it also has a pushbutton eject also. i have an old apple magazine
>from years ago that has a compatibility matrix for all the apples and drives.
if anyone wants more info, i can find the magazine.
david
>> I have a Rainbow 200, but I'm missing the keyboard and mouse, and it
>>doesn't
>> seem to take a serial console.
hmm, don't know about the 200, I've got a 100B machine and the keyboards
plug into the back of the display units from what I remember. I think
you could use a VT100 keyboard, don't know about mouse support
(presumably standard serial as on a PC...)
>> I have the CP/M disks for it as well, it has no harddisk.
hard disk controllers and colour display boards were like gold dust for
these machines... blank disks are probably pretty rare these days if the
200 uses those same strange two-in-one disk drives that the 100 had -
you had to have disks without the centre reinforcing rings or they'd
screw up the drive spindles over a period of time....
cheers
Jules
>-------
>
Okay, someone out there may have an instruction sheet they could scan
for this:
I have around half a dozen ISA parallel/serial expansion cards that
I need the jumper data on. These are only
marked on two lrger chips as Winbond W86C551's and the only other
marking is screen printed at the bottom
near the slot. It reads "DIO-222-OHM REV. A" which I assume is it's
model number, probably stands for Dual
I/O model 222. It has a COM A fixed to the filler card at the
backbone and a COM B on a ribbon on an
expansion plate. There is a LPTA and LPTB just the same. It has a
set of jumpers on the lower side below the
lower of the two Winbond chips and it's amrked as JP1 and has three
rows tall and 13 rows wide. The left has 1,
14 and 27 screened on the pc board and the right side has 13, 26
and 35 screened on.
I've used a few that were previously set as LPT2, LPT3, COM3, COM4
but as I come across machines that
need a different setup I'll need a set of instructions. If anyone
has a copy that they could scan and attach as a
graphic, or could fax to me (502-756-6991) or could photocopy and
mail to me I'm sure I could work out
something to repay them.
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<I know basically how microcode works. It's the one-cycle instructions li
<"gate data bus to address bus" or "gate data bus to ALU".
<One MOV can be 2-5 microinstructions.
First most microinstructions are bit coded... meaning that it can do
several things concurrently if the hardware can based on what bits are
set. That also means you cant output data to the data bus while trying
input data. Watch out as some of the vax MOVs are fairly complex
instructions.
<The large question I have is: How does the MOV translate to microcode?
<Does the VAX figure a microcode offset based on the opcode? Is there a t
<of entry points somewhere? How is this done?
The macroinstruction is a pointer to a table entry that containes the
address of a microsubroutine that will execute it. That means in hardware
there will be a rom or ram between the instruction register and the
external microcode address entry point (usually a operand to a microcode
jump.).
<Another thing, the VAX 780 was microcoded from the console RX01. Does an
<have a copy of that RX01? Can anyone get a disk image? What else was on
<(RT-11? P/OS?)
I believe it was RT-11 with special application code for starting and
monitoring the 780. The 730 and 750 had minimal microcode and used a
tu58 to load the remainder or overlay existing ucode to patch it.
Allison
<>> I have a Rainbow 200, but I'm missing the keyboard and mouse, and it
<>>doesn't
<>> seem to take a serial console.
NEever heard of a 200 there was a 100, 100+ and 100B.
<you could use a VT100 keyboard, don't know about mouse support
<(presumably standard serial as on a PC...)
No mouse. Keyboard was LK200 same as vt220 and later terminals and the
monitor was VR201 (mono) or one of the others. It did not use a serial
console as it was like a PC and had color graphics.
<hard disk controllers and colour display boards were like gold dust for
<these machines... blank disks are probably pretty rare these days if the
<200 uses those same strange two-in-one disk drives that the 100 had -
<you had to have disks without the centre reinforcing rings or they'd
<screw up the drive spindles over a period of time....
Media is common 360k pc. The format is oddball (rx50) but the rainbow
could format a floppy. Hard disk controllers can be found (in the USA).
Allison
<- AMD Enhanced Am486
<- AMD Am5x86
<- AMD K5
<- AMD K6
<- Centaur IDT-C6
<- Cyrix 486DRx2
<- Cyrix 5x86
<- Cyrix 6x86 & 6x86MX
<- IBM 6x86 & 6x86MX
<- NexGen NX586
<- SGS-Thomson ST486
<- SGS-Thomson 6x86
<- Texas Instruments TI486DX2 & DX4
Ok so you listed all the code compatable cpus, they are for all intents
the same thing only varying in performance. Still intel instruction set.
<Windows CE 2.0 supports the following chipsets:
Never heard of this one.
<- Digital
Ok can you be specific... at one time the PDP-11, VAX and Alpha were
all in production concurrently. I'd suspect Alpha. MS never had a
clue about VAX.
Allison
At 11:21 PM 5/18/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Geowork's GEOS was an early (better-than-Microsoft-but-crushed-anyway)
>Windowing system that ran on both x86 and 6502 (and maybe more).
>
Also ran on the Commie C64 and 128. I have the manual for it. If anyone
wants it you can have it for $2 and the cost of shipping.
Joe
>I like to bash Microsoft as much as the next guy, but their CPU support on
>Windows CE is pretty good: x86, MIPS, Hitachi, PPC, and ARM, at least.
x86??? That would make a REALLY COOL sub-$500 PC. PPC??? So MS didn't
COMPLETELY cut it off.... I guess that if Intel (or anyone else) wanted,
they could make a 386/486 (AMD's ElanSC400 comes to mind) processor
based-WindowsCE system, requireing less effort to port to CE.
Tim D. Hotze
> I thought I had read something recently about some company releasing a
> re-hashed version of GEOS for PCs, but my proxy is hosed and a search would
> take forever. I think it was on C|NET in a review of alternative OSs.
Brother has a brand new GEOS laptop they're selling for about $500 or so.
Perhaps that's what you're thinking of.
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
<> Wasn't it the DRAM used on the infamous MITS 4KB DRAM S-100 memory card
<> The one that never worked because they used a one-shot for the RAS-CAS
<
<Hmm.. I doubt it. The 4060 doesn't have separate RAS and CAS inputs and a
<multiplexed address. There were 16 pin 4K DRAMs that did, though.
It was used for the 88-s4k and the earlier 88-MCD both were cranky
designs as the S4K didn't like z80s and the MCD was just flakey
due to sloppy timing and board level noise.
<> timing. That was one collector item that should be put in a landfill.
Those two memories were best left in the dumpster. The rams used were
easy to work with as they only needed a CE to latch the address and cause
a read, write or refresh. They were at the time fairly fast as well
which is where some designers got burnt from the noise that was generated
by the fast switching.
<As I keep on telling people "I'll not show you how to use {one shots |
<monostables}. By the time you know how to use them correctly, you can
<figure out how to use them without my help" :-)
Oneshots are ok but, critical timing and cascaded timing is nuttyness
when combined with board level noise. The Altair boys used oneshots to
solve timing problems when combinational logic was more correct. The
problem was even the s4k was plagued by board level noise and strange
decodings.
Allison
An interesting bit from our archive knowledgebase...
Windows/286 Running on DEC Rainbow with 286 Board [aropenv]
ID: Q51199 CREATED: 21-NOV-1989
2.11
WINDOWS
Summary:
The Rainbow Adaptation Kit for Microsoft Windows/286, marketed by
Suitable Solutions, Inc., of Santa Clara, California, permits Rainbow
users to install Windows/286 Version 2.11 directly from the
Windows/286 retail kit. For more information about the Rainbow
Adaptation Kit, contact Suitable Solutions at (408) 727-9090.
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Ivie [mailto:IVIE@cc.usu.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 1998 10:48 AM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Re: Windows 1.x platforms...
> Windows 1.x-2.x were Intel and 100% compatible only (including AMD 286
since
> it was manufactured under license by Intel), and ran without problems on
the
> NEC V20 (8088 clone). Bear in mind that there wasn't really any secondary
> CPU market at that time.
Back in the Windows 1 timeframe, IBM had not yet taken over the universe.
Some non-clones (such as the DEC Rainbow) ran Windows; basically DEC
wrote or contracted for the device drivers necessary to make it work.
I don't recall whether Windows 2.x ran on the 'bow; I didn't have access
to one during that timeframe.
Hotze wrote:
>
> OK... I know that Windows 1.x/2.x was horibbly unsuccessful... but I
> remember reading about some platforms that Windows was ported to that
seemed
> pretty strange... (IE non-x86).
> Anyone???
This is probably a dim memory of the Rainbow port. The Rainbow had both an
8088 and a Z80 (when running MS-DOS, the Z80 was used only for floppy and
(IIRC) keyboard I/O).
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
> Windows 1.x-2.x were Intel and 100% compatible only (including AMD 286 since
> it was manufactured under license by Intel), and ran without problems on the
> NEC V20 (8088 clone). Bear in mind that there wasn't really any secondary
> CPU market at that time.
Back in the Windows 1 timeframe, IBM had not yet taken over the universe.
Some non-clones (such as the DEC Rainbow) ran Windows; basically DEC
wrote or contracted for the device drivers necessary to make it work.
I don't recall whether Windows 2.x ran on the 'bow; I didn't have access
to one during that timeframe.
Hotze wrote:
>
> OK... I know that Windows 1.x/2.x was horibbly unsuccessful... but I
> remember reading about some platforms that Windows was ported to that
seemed
> pretty strange... (IE non-x86).
> Anyone???
This is probably a dim memory of the Rainbow port. The Rainbow had both an
8088 and a Z80 (when running MS-DOS, the Z80 was used only for floppy and
(IIRC) keyboard I/O).
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
Windows 1.x-2.x were Intel and 100% compatible only (including AMD 286 since
it was manufactured under license by Intel), and ran without problems on the
NEC V20 (8088 clone). Bear in mind that there wasn't really any secondary
CPU market at that time.
Windows 3.x was also supported on IBM Blue Lightning and AMD processors.
Windows 95 logo program lists the following chipsets:
- AMD Enhanced Am486
- AMD Am5x86
- AMD K5
- AMD K6
- Centaur IDT-C6
- Cyrix 486DRx2
- Cyrix 5x86
- Cyrix 6x86 & 6x86MX
- IBM 6x86 & 6x86MX
- NexGen NX586
- SGS-Thomson ST486
- SGS-Thomson 6x86
- Texas Instruments TI486DX2 & DX4
Windows NT 3.51 supported Intel, MIPS, Alpha, and PowerPC.
Windows NT 4.0 supports Intel and Alpha.
Windows CE 2.0 supports the following chipsets:
- AMD
- ARM
- Digital
- Hitachi
- MIPS
- Motorola
Kai
-----Original Message-----
From: Ward Donald Griffiths III [mailto:gram@cnct.com]
Sent: Monday, May 18, 1998 9:18 PM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Re: Windows 1.x platforms...
Hotze wrote:
>
> OK... I know that Windows 1.x/2.x was horibbly unsuccessful... but I
> remember reading about some platforms that Windows was ported to that
seemed
> pretty strange... (IE non-x86).
> Anyone???
Nope, nein, none. While (16-bit and under) Windows can be used with
other processors _now_ courtesy of WABI, WINE and other independent
projects, only NT has ever been officially supported by Microsoft on
any non-Intel (or "clone" -- though MS's support is questionable in
that case) CPU. And support for NT on non-Intel processors has been
dropping and is not promised for the future. (Then again, support for
any Microsoft product can't be counted upon a year after release or
release of the the next version, whichever comes earlier).
--
Ward Griffiths
They say that politics makes strange bedfellows.
Of course, the main reason they cuddle up is to screw somebody else.
Michael Flynn, _Rogue Star_
<> grabbed the boards hoping that these chips were pin-compatible with th
<> old 2102L or RCA1822 or MOS 6550 256x4 SRAMs.
<
<Alas not. Not even the same type or capacity :-(
I do have a bunch of:
2101 256x4 22 pin static nmos
5101 256x4 22pin static cmos
2111 256x4
2112 256x4
6508 1kx1 cmos static
2102 1kx1 16pin static
2114 1kx4 20 pin
6514 1kx4 20 pin
4060 4kx1 22pin dynamic
upd411 4kx1 semistatic 85ns 22pin
4104 4kx1 static
d414 4kx1 dynamic ras/ cas/ 16pin
2167 16kx1 70ns 18 pin
4116 16kx1 16 pin dynamic
And a few other oddballs. You never know when you need a ram... ;)
Allison
OK... I know that Windows 1.x/2.x was horibbly unsuccessful... but I
remember reading about some platforms that Windows was ported to that seemed
pretty strange... (IE non-x86).
Anyone???
Tim D. Hotze
<When did Intel (if ever) discontinue the 4000 series???
< Ciao,
The 4004 hit the endangerred species list in 76, with not recommended for
new designs. I think last buy production was in 79.
Allison
-----Original Message-----
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn(a)ricochet.net>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Tuesday, 19 May 1998 12:56
Subject: Finds and questions
>This weekend (despite iminent death due to a stomach virus) I managed to
>add a few interesting things to my collection:
>
>Toshiba T1000
>HP 110
>GRiD GRiDCase 2
>GRiD GridCase 1520
>Grid GridCase 1535
>Grid Battery (spare)
>Grid P/S (spare, replaces battery)
>Two external Grid Disk Drives
>
>Now for the questions.
>
>The GridCase 2 seems to have an internal 10MB hard drive (gotta be a 3.5"),
>but it also has a DB25 sticking out the side where the HD is. Has anyone
>else seen this? Is it a GRiD option? Is the DB25 for an external floppy,
>since the HD seems to be where the floppy should be? The HD makes some
>rather unhappy noises, though it seems to work fine; anyone have any
>suggestions for the best way to get the data/OS off the hard drive in case
>of failure? (Just copy to floppies?) It comes up in something called
>(iirc) InteGRiD; anyone know anything about this?
>
>Haddock claims the T1100 was Toshiba's first laptop; just by looking at the
>numbers, one would think the T1000 would have come first. According to
>Toshiba's spec files, both machines ran Toshiba MS-DOS 2.11, had 512K RAM
>(but the T1000 could go up to 1.2MB), both had a 4.77mhz 80c88, etc. So,
>anyone know for sure what came first?
>
>I guess that's it for now. Of course, if anyone has any further info,
>anecdotes, or specs on any of these machines...
>
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
>
>Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
>roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
>Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
>San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/
>
email: desieh(a)southcom.com.au
desieh(a)bigfoot.com
museum_curator(a)hotmail.com
Apple Lisa Web Page:
http://www.southcom.com.au/~desieh/index.htm
Im 99.999% sure the T1000 was first...............
when i purchased mine around 10 years ago im almost sure that it was the
only one they where offering that
was IBM compat
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Tuesday, 19 May 1998 5:30
Subject: Re: North Star Horizon [Rare systems]
>At 11:25 AM 5/18/98 -0700, you wrote:
>>On Mon, 18 May 1998, Desie Hay wrote:
>>
>>> this is getting abit of track here but nobody seems to mind:
>>> well im in australia and ive got some mechines that i bet you guys have
>>> never heard of:
>>>
>>> Dick Smith System 80
>>> (TRS-80 model 1 clone)
>
> Well if you like that kind of stuff, there's a LNW 80 for sale in a
>surplus store here (Skycraft, in Orlando, Florida) for $25. It's another
>TRS clone but it's supposed to have the interfaces and extra memory
>built-in. Comes complete with a couple of manuals. I know very little
>about the TRS stuff and nothing about this clone so if you have questions
>post them to the list and see if someone else can answer them.
>
> Joe
>
>
>>
>>Sure we've heard of this. You Aussie blokes have been talking about the
>>Dick Smith systems for a while now.
>>
>>> UNIVAC
>>> (CPM box, looks like a terminal)
>>
>>Believe it or not I have heard of this. I think some other feller from
>>down under mentioned it at some point.
>>
>>> OSI C4P
>>> (looks like a SOL termianl computer, dont know anything else about it?
>>> anybody else know anything about it??)
>>
>>Ohio Scientific Challengers are no secret.
>>
>>Sam Alternate e-mail:
>dastar(a)siconic.com
>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
>----
>>Ever onward.
>>
>> September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2
>> See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!
>> [Last web page update: 05/11/98]
>>
>>
>
Well this UNIVAC I have, I acutally got it imported or what that be
exported:>
>from the states.............
This weekend (despite iminent death due to a stomach virus) I managed to
add a few interesting things to my collection:
Toshiba T1000
HP 110
GRiD GRiDCase 2
GRiD GridCase 1520
Grid GridCase 1535
Grid Battery (spare)
Grid P/S (spare, replaces battery)
Two external Grid Disk Drives
Now for the questions.
The GridCase 2 seems to have an internal 10MB hard drive (gotta be a 3.5"),
but it also has a DB25 sticking out the side where the HD is. Has anyone
else seen this? Is it a GRiD option? Is the DB25 for an external floppy,
since the HD seems to be where the floppy should be? The HD makes some
rather unhappy noises, though it seems to work fine; anyone have any
suggestions for the best way to get the data/OS off the hard drive in case
of failure? (Just copy to floppies?) It comes up in something called
(iirc) InteGRiD; anyone know anything about this?
Haddock claims the T1100 was Toshiba's first laptop; just by looking at the
numbers, one would think the T1000 would have come first. According to
Toshiba's spec files, both machines ran Toshiba MS-DOS 2.11, had 512K RAM
(but the T1000 could go up to 1.2MB), both had a 4.77mhz 80c88, etc. So,
anyone know for sure what came first?
I guess that's it for now. Of course, if anyone has any further info,
anecdotes, or specs on any of these machines...
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/
I went to the big (650 booths) antique show at the Cow Palace this weekend
and saw exactly zero (0) computers. (Other than laptops and such in use by
dealers.) Dunno how long it will be, though, before they start to show up.
Did overhear one dealer tell another "ebay is great -- you can go on there
and sell stuff for *way* more than it's worth." 8^)
P.S., Did manage to find 6 or 7 Donald Ducks that Rachel didn't have, and
got me a couple of Land Rovers too.
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/
At 03:25 PM 5/17/98 PDT, you wrote:
>Some sick variations on the concept of a laptop, mostly from compaq.
>I don't know why the docks outnumbered the laptops by such an extent.
Because docking stations sit on desks, nice and safe beneath their
monitors, while laptops go out to play with the Samsonite Gorilla,
automobile firewalls, toddlers, etc.
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/
At 02:33 PM 5/15/98 -0500, you wrote:
>It would be fun and almost educational to outsiders to have a
>series of slides showing the evolution of the common Intel chipset,
>or memory chips.
Fry's Electronics (in Sunnyvale? -- Off Lawrence Expy) has a display with a
topless 4004 and a topless Pentium (of some sort). Quite a difference
indeed. (btw, this is the same one that has the CHAC Apple 1 and some
other items from Perham on display).
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/
